Boy! I Remember Now Why I DISLIKE Hillary Clinton So Much- 'SHOUTING'

[Segami]

I'm a woman. Yes, I would like to see a woman be president, just like I'm glad women can vote, serve on juries, have their own credit cards, etc. BUT I don't want to vote for a woman JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN (I mean, I'm not voting for Carly Fiorina, who ran HP into the ground, wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway) . And there's no mistaking that Clinton is using her gender as a reason to vote for her, regardless of her platform positions on issues. It's the sister of the Poor Poor Me I'm A White Male Republican victim baloney that plays so well with the Republicans. Believe me, I understand how women have to overcome all types of male baloney and am a feminist, but that's exactly WHY I don't like to see this type of pandering to women BY a woman. Clinton must think women are morons that will vote her just because. Otherwise, she would not have taken this comment of Bernie Sanders, which had nothing at all to do with gender, and turned it into a "LOOK AT ME I REFUSE TO BE VICTIMIZED" statement.


Here's what Sanders said at the CNN Debate

SANDERS: As a senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing.

I believe that there is a consensus in this country. A consensus has said we need to strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with this gun show loophole, that we have to address the issue of mental health, that we have to deal with the strawman purchasing issue, and that when we develop that consensus, we can finally, finally do something to address this issue.

Yes. I agree with Bernie Sanders. I live in Texas, which is most likely very much like Vermont in how people feel about their guns. Heck, remember the pic of Rick Perry with his gun held up in the air and him talking about shooting a coyote while on a morning run (which I think, by the way, was complete bs)? My family has 4 guns, Texas passed open-carry and even the zoo has an issue with people trying to bring their guns in. I don't personally like the flaunting of guns, especially open carry, but some of the more paranoid in Texas worry that the government is trying to take their guns away. It's simply a very emotional issue and yes, people on all sides SHOUT at each other down here about what they believe (witness my Facebook feed which is full of people from my locale that SHOUT that nobody is going to take our guns away, and how christian they are).

Here's what Clinton said last night at the Iowa Democrat Party JJ dinner

“Sometimes when a woman speaks out people think it’s shouting,” she intoned — a reference to Sanders’ accusation that she was “shouting” about gun control during the debate.

~snip

Seems to me that Clinton is trying to take the emphasis away from what Sanders SAID, which is that he supports strengthening and expanding instant background checks, do away with the gun show loophole, etc. And instead of talking about the ISSUE of gun control, make it a whiny "Oh, He's Complaining about ME or Complaining about Women shouting" where he was not. What, in order to capture the "I am A Victim" female votes?????? If she believes that she has a point to make regarding Sander's positions on gun control, then make them based on that and not a side route through Victimhood. I like to think women are smarter than to fall for this.

P.S. Speaking of victims. As a side note, in Clinton's pandering to women and appealing to their victimhood, she said this at the CNN debate. I disagree with this too. The primary victims of war are the people, men AND women, who FOUGHT in the wars. The people that died were not the primary victims? The people that were injured and lived are not the primary victims? Please. The ONLY reason to say something like this is to appeal to women believing themselves to be THE victims. Enough with female victimhood.



cont'

http://salon.glenrose.net/default.asp?view=plink&id=16028

[antigop]

1. she used it as an excuse to play the gender card (again). nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. What else is new?!

[Segami]

34. Its the Clinton way...

2008 Flashback: The Clinton song remains the same.

Maureen Dowd: Clinton charge of sexism is "poppycock"

Maureen Dowd: "I think it's poppycock, really. I mean, Hillary Clinton has allowed women to visualize a woman as president for the first time in the way Colin Powell allowed people to visualize an African-American. And, she dominated the debates, she proved that a woman can have as much tenacity and gall as any man on earth. We can visualize her facing down Ahmadinejad. But, the thing is Hillary hurts feminism when she uses it as opportunism. And, she has a history of covering up her own mistakes behind sexism. She did it with healthcare. Right after healthcare didn't pass, she didn't admit she was abrasive or mismanaged it or blew off good advice or was too secretive. She said that she was a Rorschach test for gender and that many men thought of a female boss they didn't like when they looked at her. And now she's doing the same thing, and it's very, you know, in a way it's the moral equivalent of Sharptonism, it's this victimhood, and angry, and turning women against men, and saying that the men are trying to take it away from us. In the same way she's turning Florida and Michigan, and riling up and comparing them to suffragettes and slaves, and it's very damaging to feminism."

[truedelphi]

53. Thanks Segami.

People rejected her back in 2008 as they were sick of her alliances with Big Corporations.

She somehow thinks that we progressives are going to support her now.

[lewebley3]

90. I am progessive and I am supporting Hillary: Most American's are with Hillary

[truedelphi]

103. Then explain these two pieces of Phenomena:

Hillary did not secure the party's nomination in 2008. Why was that? Was it Martians, rather than Americans, involved in deciding that Obama should be the party's candidate?

Bernie Sanders, tying her in recent polls, even though the media has basically been mute on who he is and what he stands for.

[houston_radical]

143. Not true!

She has less than 50? democrats = means far less than "most American's" (Americans is correct btw)

[lewebley3]

144. With Biden out Hillary is in 60% in polls: over 85 favorable with Dem's

[George II]

131. People didn't "reject" her back in 2008, there was just a seemingly better qualified...

....candidate running against her.

She actually got just about as many popular votes in the primaries and at the time she withdrew she had 49% of the pledged delegates vs. Obama's 51%.

That's "rejection"??????

[lewebley3]

89. Maureen Dowd is a mean woman:She can't stand Hillary sucess: Dowd is Bitter!

[DonCoquixote]

126. bitter

ah using the old "she is just bitter" line used to discredit feminists? I guess it is ok if you are a Hillary Supporter. (sarcasm flag flown way high)

[lewebley3]

145. If she isn't bitter or green:why is Dowd dedicated to attacking Hillary: There is the GOP!

[kelliekat44]

107. ok for Sanders to shout but not Hillary? wow

[Segami]

108. From AlbertCat..

"...His shouting comment was not about actual shouting. It's about talking the talk but NOT walking the walk..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=724063

...but I guess you already knew that...

[lark]

142. Maureen Dowd is someone we should listen to?

Guess what David Brooks has to say about Clinton is also relevant?

[scsalon]

86. Glad you all like my post from Somervell County Salon

Bernie Sanders supporter, Democrat and feminist
Actual URL to my post http://salon.glenrose.net/default.asp?view=plink&id=16028

[Segami]

88. Thank you and welcome to DU!

[juajen]

119. Wecome to DU!

[Stevepol]

105. I agree!

When I heard the debate, I didn't have the slightest idea that Bernie, in talking about people "shouting" at each other over the issue of guns was in any way calling Hillary's on her "shouting" because she is a woman. I'm not sure she even "shouted." Did she? Before the debate, I had listened to many of Bernie's speeches and whenever he talked about the gun issue, he said the same thing, that the way to stop the "shouting" of people on both sides is to find consensus and that there IS a consensus about the issues related to gun ownership. If Hillary or any of her advisers had listened to those speeches, they would have known that Bernie was not talking about "women shouting," even less about "Hillary shouting." He was talking about the two sides on the gun issue shouting at each other and not seeking consensus.

So why did Hillary come up with this false accusation? I could be wrong but it sounds like the gender card to me. When I thought about the debate AFTER reading Hillary's accusation, I can imagine how she might have taken it to be referring to her, but if so, she's pretty small-minded it seems to me. It would have behooved a speech writer to have done a little investigating. If this speech writer had done so, he or she would have found out that Bernie had used that exact word before in exactly the same context many times, never to refer solely to women "shouting" about the gun issue but to refer to the two sides of the issue "shouting" at each other.

[YOHABLO]

111. Because she sat down with her "peeps" and watched the replay over a couple of times and

decided this where she could send Sanders a left hook, or right hook, however you want to envision that.

[billhicks76]

122. She Disgusts Me More Every Day

At this point she is about as high on my list as a republican.

[Lorien]

124. She's the anti-feminist

for decades we've been fighting to have workplaces be gender neutral in their hiring and advancement practices. Hillary wants us to vote for her *because* she's a woman. That's exactly what we're fighting against; allowing gender to dictate who does and does not get a job!!

[GusBob]

2. Kinda ironic caps lock in your every OP and shouting

You gotta admit

[Segami]

4. Grow up.

Another lame and empty comment from the peanut gallery.

[haikugal]

29. .

Thanks for your awesome OP! Very well stated and I'm sick of this crap too.

Enough is enough!

[L0oniX]

66. +1

[juajen]

118. No need to be rude!

[HerbChestnut]

3. Agree with the OP.

There is no need for Clinton to try and do this. It's low. Real low.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. Flashback to 2008 primary campaign.

[winter is coming]

19. The question is: why do it? Does she not see how bad an idea it is,

or is she unable to stop herself?

[Enthusiast]

102. Cut it out!

[Divernan]

140. Fable: scorpion talks frog into giving him a ride. RIP, frog.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

[winter is coming]

141. LOL, I nearly referenced that, myself. n/t

[MissDeeds]

38. That is what she does

That is what she is. I wonder if she'll slip into Black dialect when she addresses Black audiences like she did in 2008. She is ruthless and has no scruples. It's all about winning at any cost.

We can and must do better than HRC. She goes to the bottom levels of political pandering.

It's desperate and disgusting.

[TheFarseer]

80. +1

I think the only principle she really believes in is "I should be president"

[MissDeeds]

82. Agreed

Btw - Go Royals!!!

[TheFarseer]

85. +1 for Go Royals!

[azmom]

5. She really reached out there on that one.

Who is writing this stuff for her?

[Segami]

12. They torn a page

from their loosing 2008 campaign playbook and re-dressed it to fit the 2015 Bernie Sanders narrative.


Its the Clinton way.......oh, The Third Way!

[azmom]

13. It's hard to believe they are spending

Millions on this.

[Skidmore]

6. Can you say that without shouting? nt

[JoePhilly]

135. That was my first thought as well.

I expected the complaint to be silly ... but then ALL THE CAPS, and BOLD!!

Kind of ironic.

[reformist2]

7. The worst part of it is that she knows what's she's doing. Totally cynical politics.

[azmom]

14. It's dishonest and manipulative.

She can't win with her record so it's all she's got.

[lewebley3]

91. You don't know what is in Hillary's head: and you are a contstant basher

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. There are several Clinton supporters here who have said they are voting for her because she

is female. THEY-WANT-A-FEMALE-PRESIDENT. Period. Which, IMCPO, is one if the most LAME reasons to cast a vote for President.

Playing the gender card is insulting to women.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[lewebley3]

92. You sound like the GOP: they have a black man ready to become Pesident

The GOP don't get that Obama is not just any black man,
Hillary is noway just any women.

[Rilgin]

114. You are right.

She is not any woman. Noway. She is a woman who has had a number of wrong votes in her career that should have ended her forward motion in politics. It is mindblowing that the Democratic Party keeps nominating politicians who voted for the Iraq War. '

They are not criminals like some of the Republicans who sold us the war. However, this was the most momentous vote in the last 20 years. In many ways it has shaped our world. Hillary and the other democrats like her, held their finger in the wind, and made a political judgement about the political consequences of voting for that war. I am sure they did not believe it would end up the disaster for the middle east that it did but their vote was a political calculation. Since it ended up on the wrong side of history, the consequence for this should be that the politicians who voted wrong should bite the bullet and not be rewarded by becoming president. The cost for such bad votes really should be their ambitions.

However, instead of looking her decisions squarely in the eye and just becoming a statewoman, she has used power politics and money to continue her ambition.

What makes it worse, is she threatens the democratic party by not recognizing that her past votes divide the democratic party and her past lies, reinventions, and history engage the republican mind.

[juajen]

120. The gender card should be played,

but not alone. She has plenty to run on .

[juajen]

121. I love that this smart candidate is a woman,

but her smarts are what will make me vote for her. She
' is brilliant.

[orpupilofnature57]

10. I promised not to, voice coach .

[Persondem]

15. Do we really need multiple threads on this??

People have been trying to shut Clinton up for decades. Ask the GOP how well that's worked.

This is some seriously whining, desperate BS. Especially when Sanders is the one who started this whole shouting match about shouting in the first place.

SHOUT ON WITH YOUR BOLD FACED CAPS.

[AlbertCat]

30. Ask the GOP how well that's worked.

Well, she lost the last primary. So....

[Persondem]

39. Yeah, to the perfect candidate at the perfect time.

[A Simple Game]

42. If Hillary couldn't play the victim she would have become irrelevant years ago.

Thankfully when she loses this time her irrelevancy will become reality.

[artislife]

64. We are just trying to match all the h multiple threads on the same subject

It seems to be the Democratic way.

[Live and Learn]

16. Seriously, playing the 'I am picked on for being a woman card' no matter how innocuous the

statement was, does women in general a big disservice.

[RandySF]

17. Counting down to Maech 2, 2016

When this will be pretty much over.

[Scootaloo]

18. And it'll end up being O'Malley standing triumphant atop the scorched wreckage

With VP Chafee clinging to his leg.

[EEO]

24. Yup.

Feel the Bern.

[rhett o rick]

20. Great post. I was trying to write something similar in another thread and saw this.

You said it so much better than I.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Voting for someone because of gender is the same as voting against someone because of gender.

[Segami]

22. Those who practice this double-standard

become the very people they most despise.

[rhett o rick]

49. You would think that would be self evident but it's not. nm

[EEO]

23. This is why she can't win the general election.

[MissDeeds]

40. +1000

Like before, she will lose by a thousand self inflicted wounds. As the primary race goes along, she will become nastier, more hateful, and more alienating. Bernie focuses on the issues; she hurls insults. It didn't work before and it won't work now.

[asjr]

84. well, at least the Republican congressional committees

can stop their agonizing hits on Hillary. She has many others to do it.

[Plucketeer]

25. There's a stupid focus that's evident even here on DU

That focus is on HRC's physical features - as if they were validated front row tickets to the Oval Office. But there is SO MUCH else to objectively consider for that pass. Should we see a woman president? ABSOLUTELY! But Sarah Palin would qualify if that was all it took - and I'd like to think we're smarter than that.

As Bernie is professing - we need a political revolution. A revolution of process and ideals - not one of gender. Gender with respect to oval office residency will take care of itself - just as race has.

[pnwmom]

26. Hillary never shouted once during the debate, unlike Bernie. Get real.

If you heard her shouting, she's right: it's all about your perception of how women (not men) are supposed to talk. Not the reality of her conduct that night.

If she had been speaking loudly like Bernie often did, then she could have been accused of shouting. Talk about projection. I'm disappointed with Bernie, to accuse her of shouting. That's just nuts.

[AlbertCat]

32. Hillary never shouted once during the debate,

Sanders knows that. His shouting comment was not about actual shouting. It's about talking the talk but NOT walking the walk.

Clinton played the gender card. Disgusting... but expected.

[pnwmom]

58. What, can you read his mind? He said she had been shouting -- while he was the only one doing that.

If he or anyone else perceived her to be shouting, they need to examine their own attitudes toward assertive women.

[AlbertCat]

60. What, can you read his mind?

No. All you have to do is listen to the rest of his comment. Sanders doesn't do just platitudes and bumperstickers.

It wasn't about being a woman.

[Fawke Em]

71. No. He didn't say SHE was shouting.

He said "we need to stop the shouting" over each other about guns.

It was a comment to the general media-fueled shouting matches over gun control v. gun ownership. It had NOTHING to do with her.

[Chemisse]

97. I did see clips of her in stump speeches recently where she was shouting.

But men shout all the time in these circumstances. It just sounds different from a female, whether it is the different tone or just that we are not used to women shouting.

Probably most people who find it annoying don't even realize why.

[McCamy Taylor]

27. Clinton "pandering" to women? Like the way they said she "pimped" Chelsea?

Why does every discussion of a woman end up using metaphors that sexualize her?Why did the WaPo devote newsprint to her cleavage?

I am not voting for a First Prostitute and therefore, no one "panders" to me.

[SusanaMontana41]

112. Yes. Language MATTERS.

I remember very well the "pimped out" comments.

The more you listen, the more you hear. That shit needs to stop.

[AlbertCat]

28. instead of talking about the ISSUE of gun control, make it a whiny "Oh, He's Complaining about ME

BINGO!

[left lowrider]

75. that is the pattern ^^^^

thanks for boiling it down.

[SCantiGOP]

31. Hope you don't think I'm sexist

When I say this is one of the most nonsensical posts I've read here. Quite a stretch to make a point that simply, logically, isn't there.

[blackspade]

33. I'm unclear why Clinton went in this direction.....

Sanders is pretty weak on this issue, so it should have been easy to use his stance on gun control against him. But instead she chose this route, which bypasses the issue and makes it personal.

[retrowire]

45. because catering to anger and fear

is a powerful strategy in motivating the masses with ignorance.

it's a primarily republican strategy.

[cui bono]

63. Except he's not "pretty weak" on this issue.

Or he wouldn't have a D- rating from the NRA.

[blackspade]

115. Not my point.

His gun control response at the debate was weak.
It provided Clinton an easy opportunity to attack Sanders on the one issue she has been much clearer on.
Instead she went personal by making shit up for no good reason.

[LiberalElite]

35. She got nowhere with the "arm waving" meme so nt

[passiveporcupine]

36. It sounded like something Sarah Palin would have said

She was the consummate victim. You'd think Hillary would be smart enough not to want to come across that way.

[Herman4747]

37. Why can't Hillary stay Classy and Logical?

Sigh.

I doubt if Senator Barbara Boxer (and a whole lot of other senators) would have sought out the "I am a female victim" vote.

[seaglass]

41. A dumb comment - accusing women of voting for Hillary just because she is a woman. I am sorry

that you think Fiorina and Clinton are in some way comparable. You seriously think Democratic women who would vote for Clinton would vote for Fiorina if she and Bernie won their primaries? Because if that is really what you think, I'm afraid any further posts by you are not worth reading.

I have not decided who I am voting for but when I make my pro and con list for all candidates, the fact that Hillary is a Democratic woman is in the plus column.

[retrowire]

44. st st st strawmannnn

read the op again.

[seaglass]

48. You read it. n/t

[retrowire]

57. i did.

that's why I'm not making incorrect assumptions like you.

[seaglass]

59. Perhaps your reading was too shallow. n/t

[retrowire]

93. you're right

I should've only read as much as you. lol

[mercuryblues]

100. to me it boiled

down to the tone argument. FFS can't women be past that yet? I mean if you stop shouting maybe I will agree with you. Maybe if you said it nicer....

Then when women do say it nicer, well you were kind of iffy on that so you don't really mean it.

If a man raises his voice: Well he must be serious, we must listen.

IOW no matter how a woman says something, there will be some who will find a way to minimize its impact.

Now, do I think that is what Sanders meant. No. I do believe that, that line of thinking is so ingrained in society, it is accepted as normal.


Does anyone really think that if Sanders said the exact same thing, it would be characterized as shouting?

[Maineman]

74. Don't forget...

Don't forget to include on your pro & con list:

Hillary is in partnership with Wall Street bankers, big oil, and big money in general. There is no way Hillary would try to get money out of politics.
Hillary is not very trustable -- she has changed positions on many issues. She chooses her words carefully when she needs to sound like she is taking a people oriented position but does not want to raise concerns among her big money supporters.
Hillary is a war monger -- go back and listen to her speech in favor of invading Iraq several years ago. I recently heard her use war making terminology ("rear guard action," and another that I do not recall) during a general discussion (Rachel's interview I think) in which war making strategy was not at all part of the discussion.
As a NY senator, she claims to have gone to her banking constituents in 2007 and told them to "cut it out." That has got to be a lie. If she told someone to cut it out, it would have been Elizabeth Warren when she met with her last December.

[rhett o rick]

106. When she talks about how she went to the banksters and told them to "cut it out" should

be a big warning flag. That's her way of regulating the big corporations that are funding her campaign, giving her personal money and funding her foundation. I am sure the banksters have a good laugh when she tells that story. I envision the scene to go something like this, HRC - "I am here to tell you nice bankers that you need to cut out the out of control speculating with the People's money. Now consider yourself told (LOL)." Goldman-Sachs - "We have been dutifully told and thank you (LOL)." HRC - "Good, now I can tell the People that I have spoken to you about this problem and told you to "cut it out. I consider this is a speech and deserves a speaking fee."

On edit: I forgot to mention that part of her solution to the out of control college student debt, is to tell the states to keep tuition down. I bet that will be as effective as her "cut it out" was with the banksters.

[rhett o rick]

104. No one said that Clinton and Fiorina are the same. That's a strawman argument. The point is simple.

Don't vote for anyone because of their gender.

[seaglass]

109. If you are saying don't vote solely based on gender I would agree with you. The strawman is that

people are voting/would vote for Clinton just because she is a woman.

If you think gender is not a legitimate consideration among other factors, I have to disagree with you. As I said before Hillary's gender falls into the plus column for me.

I did not say that anyone said Clinton and Fiorina were the same. A comparison was being made about not voting for Clinton and not voting for Fiorina as if that made some sort of logical sense, which it does not.

[retrowire]

43. K and R

As a male ally in feminism, this kind of stuff weakens the cause.

[TBF]

46. This female agrees -

I didn't vote for Sarah Palin, didn't vote for Hillary Clinton (2008), and won't vote for Carly Fiorina.

We women supporting Bernie Sanders are voting according to policy - not body parts. The man has won 14 elections in his lifetime and has a solid voting record we can respect and agree with as progressives. http://www.women4bernie.us/blog/bernie-sanders-voting-record-on-women-s-issues

Did you know?
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate whose platform includes fighting for the Equal Rights Amendment. Senator Sanders is a co-sponsor of the Cardin/Kirk joint resolution, which was introduced on May 7, 2015. It removes the deadline for the states’ ratification of the ERA. Bernie has been a consistent champion for women's rights and pay equality.
http://www.women4bernie.us/

[Maineman]

76. Thank you for that info about Bernie and the Equal Rights Amendment.

[dogjawinc]

47. November Delta Golf

I despise her, not because she's a woman, not because she's a Clinton, it's because she's no damned good!

[Uncle Joe]

50. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Segami.

[Walk away]

51. Sanders didn't "say" anything at the CNN debates!

He yelled every word he said. He gave everyone but his 25% a big national headache! He was mocked mercilessly for it on SNL. No one Shouts louder than Bernie!

[grasswire]

52. oh GMTA

I had not read this thread, Segami, when I posted a thread about being tired of Hillary's continual "victimization".

[zeemike]

54. Never underestimate how stupid the elite think we are.

It comes from being born into a life of privilege and you think you got there because you are so much better than the rest.

They think people can be manipulate just like Madison Ave. sells soap...and money will do it.
Now we will see whether it will work this time, or whether the scam has worn itself out.

[dreamnightwind]

55. I think all of this misses Bernie's point

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"all the shouting in the world" from Bernie was, in my opinion, his way of saying there is an existing consensus on certain gun reforms that, if enacted, would actually help the situation, even if they aren't perfect and perhaps don't go far enough, and that he probably views the differences between his gun positions and Hillary's as mostly shouting to differentiate (and thus villify Sanders) some fairly minor points that Hillary won't be likely to fight for anyway. So he's saying let's do away with the political shouting and get it done. I agree, Clinton and also O'Malley have jumped on this issue as an attempt to distinguish themselves from Sanders, when Bernie is pretty good on guns and also doesn't feed the RW "they're coming for our guns" paranoia the way O'Malley and Clinton do. Guns, God, gays, and abortion are the tools the RW uses to convince their people to vote against their interests by supporting Republicans.

To my knowledge (others correct me if I am missing something) the largest distinction between their policies is that Sanders is opposed to gun manufacturers being sued when their non-defective guns are misused. I actually see the sense of that. I also understand that allowing the maufacturers to be sued could be an effective way of shutting them down, if that is the intent. I personally hate guns, so that would be fine with me. Would Hillary fight to make that happen? Because it would require a huge fight, not simply saying it to stake out a campaign position. Somehow I doubt it.

Sad to see Hillary jumping on the shouting reference as some sexist thing, that's beyond ridiculuous given the context.

[sabrina 1]

61. Hillary just wanted to USE being a WOMAN again and PLAY THE VICTIM. It was nothing to do what

Bernie said. He was absolutely right. But this is all her campaign has done from the beginning, smear and attack and avoid the issues.

The very idea of Hillary trying to play the victim makes me and should make everyone, laugh out loud.

[L0oniX]

69. It's so hard to be rich. Everyone is always trying to hurt them. They have no real friends.

[kjones]

56. hmm...

[artislife]

62. Hillary: she is as fragil as a piece of fine china

or her stance on any one issue..you get the point...pretty fragil, our Hillary.

[cui bono]

65. Definitely do NOT want this woman to be POTUS.

Ever.

It's sickening to see a woman with such success and power resort to playing the gender card. That is so ridiculous it's literally laughable. Unsurprisingly, some of DU's staunch self-proclaimed feminists have done the same thing on here. How do people expect women to be taken seriously if they are going to be the ones proclaiming women should be treated as equals and then play victim by using the gender card when it is an absolutely false allegation?

Despicable.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

67. Remember when she cried in the 2008 campaign?

crocodile tears

[riversedge]

94. How can we forget -the RW keeps bringing up that incident.

She had an emotional moment during the campaign. So, what! We all have them. Campaigning is not easy and I wonder sometimes how anyone can take the day to day schedule.

[Segami]

96. Its a Vaudeville Act....

The Clintons are an Abbott & Costello act.......they have timing & crying down to an art.

Back in 2008:

The Journal wonders whether this may be Clinton's Edmund Muskie moment (Muskie appeared to tear up in 1972 after a New Hampshire newspaper attacked his wife, and the image managed to derail the popular Maine senator's candidacy). But we have to wonder, like Bob Shrum before us, if this isn't exactly what her campaign needs. Finally, proof that Hillary is human. Even though the campaign is ravaging her physically and emotionally, she's still fighting because she cares. What better testament to someone's character as a candidate?

Either that or she faked it, which would also be totally stellar.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2008/01/breaking_hillary_cries.html#

And of course, Bill himself. Bill Clinton Caught Fake Crying at Funeral of Ron Brown.

[Major Hogwash]

68. It's an odd comment by Hillary.

Because I think she was attempting to bring the attention back on to her being a woman, instead of addressing gun control, the issue Sanders was talking about to begin with.
I expect her to do more of the same for the rest of the campaign.
She did this same thing back in 2008, and I don't think she has evolved enough to just give us the acknowledgement that we are intelligent enough to know that she is a woman without her mentioning it in almost every speech.

To me, she is a bad example of a woman trying to win over skeptical men because she doesn't respect them enough to realize they are already aware of her being a woman.
We have eyes.
We can see her.
And I think that is one of her biggest weaknesses, in that she doesn't respect men enough to realize that she is a woman.
So far, I haven't seen a single man slap his forehead after hearing the news that she is a woman, and then exclaiming, "Wow, that explains a lot of things."

[grasswire]

95. well said nt

[Utopian Leftist]

70. It really is time we had a female leader.

And it is time that we had a gay leader.

And a Latino/Hispanic leader.

And an Asian, Native American, etc. leader.

The problem is not that Hillary is not female enough to be our President. The problem is not that America is unready to be led by a woman. The problem that is beginning to dawn on so many voters is that Hillary is a Businessperson/Politician. Just as her husband and Barack Obama are. Ergo, Hillary is NOT a born leader, who has a sweeping, PROGRESSIVE vision for our country. Like Bernie has.

The problem, at least for Hillary, is that she thinks her being a woman is reason enough to win votes away from a true leader!

[CharlotteVale]

72. K&R and I'm female.

[Maineman]

73. I worry about single issue voters basing it on gender or equivalent rationalization.

Bernie is running on issues, serious, important issues. Hillary is in partnership with Wall Street Banks, big oil, etc.

[GoneFishin]

77. She really stretched to reach the gender card on that one. How desperate.

[Geronimoe]

78. She won NH in 2008

by crying how she wasn't being treated fairly because she is a woman. She claimed Edwards and Obama were a tag team beating up on her.

[Babel_17]

79. Trying to control the meaning of words, so as to control the discussion

It's a good trick if Secretary Clinton can pull it off. It's harder to do these days.

[Politicalboi]

81. This is right there with Obama's

"You didn't build your own business" shit. Obama said they built their businesses with city taxes, city streets, lights, electricity to run their business. Without those, they wouldn't have a business. They didn't build the roads, not they didn't build their businesses.

[Thespian2]

83. K & R!!!

I am male, but I would like to see a female president within my life-time...Elizabeth Warren...

[yardwork]

87. I think a lot of female professionals understand what Hillary is saying.

What she said is literally true. Often, when women speak out they are accused of shouting. No victim hood there. Simple truth.

There was nothing victimlike about Hillary at that Benghazi hearing, nor in the debate.

[rhett o rick]

98. No one is arguing with the truth of the statement only the implication that Sen Sanders reflected

such which is underhanded and far from the TRUTH. Some like her because she is tough. Ok fine, but more importantly, will she use that toughness to fight for the People or Corporate profits? She talks a good talk, but the billionaires don't donate to candidates, they invest. They expect a return (quid pro quo) on their investment.

Sen Sanders truly represents the People.

[Segami]

101. +1000

"..billionaires don't donate to candidates, they invest. They expect a return (quid pro quo) on their investment.."

That comment pretty well sums it all up for Hillary Clinton.......her support is all business and they absolutely expect a return on their investment!

[Enthusiast]

99. The way a candidate runs their campaign is a measure of their character. That's just a fact.

K&R!

Thank you, Segami.

[thereismore]

110. Plating the gender card is off-putting.

I also think that when she speaks she is condescending. That could be just a matter of style however.

And there is the fake southern accent, but I admit it's not substantive.

[zentrum]

113. As a woman I agree with you.

Will always vote for the greater feminist and Bernie's social, and economic positions are better for women, worldwide.

[juajen]

117. I do not have a problem with her speaking at all.

I do not think she shouts . Of course, when you are speaking in public, you do have to speak succinctly, or no one can understand you. This is a no brainer.

[Bernblu]

123. I really, really dislike this meme by Clinton

I always liked her personally and I voted for her twice for the Senate and in 2008. I wasn't as into politics then as I am now but I had a general high regard for her. Today, I don't trust or like her on the issues but I'm also beginning to dislike her personally.

This tells me that she will say and do anything if it would win her a few votes. First of all Sanders wasn't even talking about her. I saw him use the same phrase in a speech in Tucson. Who does she think she is: the language police or some poor defenseless woman? Does she think everything is about her? If she keeps this up she will lose my vote in the GE and I've voted for every Democratic candidate since George McGovern. So, it will quite a feat Hillary.

[eridani]

125. I like her as a person. I just disagree with too many of her policies n/t

[closeupready]

139. Yes x 1000. She seems perfectly charming in a social context, but

on issues and policies, her history and circles speak louder than words.

[Laser102]

127. I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a woman. I'm voting for her because she is

stronger, smarter, and can kick the ass of any of the other candidates and hand them their heads. ANY of the others.

[Shankapotomus]

128. "The primary victims of war are the people, men AND women, who FOUGHT in the wars."

Is that a quote of Hillary's? Because it doesn't appear in quotes in your opening post.

[Darb]

129. Do you suppose this post is most like doing the work of Bush, or Trump?

Because it is killing Bernie.

[DrBulldog]

130. Well done.

I could not expressed your points any better.

[closeupready]

138. Yep. It underscored my conviction that it's Bernie or Bust for me.

[Indepatriot]

146. Pure Class, that Hillary...pure class...