Remember the PUMA people in 2008? They never left.

[Ned_Devine]

Remember how frustrating it was when they just kept going on and on even though they were mathematically eliminated? There was a fear that if they didn't get their way they were going to gum up the whole process and go against the will of the majority of the people because their candidate didn't get the nomination. Those people are still here feigning their phony outrage and alienating anyone that disagrees with them. They remind me of those petulant children that put their fingers in their ears screaming "La la la! I can't hear you!" There's no rational debate going on with them and they won't let you ignore them. Despite your attempts to paint us as sexist, it's not about gender. It's about values and ideology. We don't want a hawkish corporatist as our nominee. Most of us are liberals and that's why we're here. We thought we had that candidate in 2008, (and who knows what he may have accomplished without all the hawkish conservative democrats in the house and senate?) and that's why we chose him over Hillary then. We think we've got that candidate now who represents the best in liberal and progressive policies that any liberal could possibly want. He just happens to not be beholden to the corporately owned democratic party. And that's why we choose him over Hillary. So if you want to stomp your feet and hold your breath until you eventually don't get your way like you did back in 2008, by all means, have at it. Just don't think that we'll forget it.

[sufrommich]

1. You mean those people who refused to vote for the

Democratic president elect if their primary candidate didn't win? Yeah,they're still here but they aren't Hillary supporters.

[Ned_Devine]

3. Nope, not them.

Do you mean "they're" still here? If we're going to debate, you've got to understand basic grammar. Sorry to be picky, but please.

[sufrommich]

6. Changed my mistake just for you,but I

think you got my point. A PUMA is a PUMA regardless of which candidate they support.

[whatchamacallit]

8. While you're at it

would you consider putting a space after your commas?

[sufrommich]

9. No.nt

[msrizzo]

52. Love that answer! nt

[artislife]

25. *chortle nt

[brooklynite]

12. You're right; they are still here...

Despite all their chest-beating and dire threats, 99% of them voted for Obama in 2008. Just like 99% of the "I'll never vote for Hillary" voices, will vote for her in 2016.

[sufrommich]

14. Actually,the primary voters who had the lowest percentage of

voters who voted for Obama in the General were Edwards supporters,don't know why but there it is. I looked it up once and was surprised to know that.

[JI7]

58. I'm not surprised. many of the worst Hillary people supported edwards first

They moved on to her since they were mostly anti Obama and just wanted to stop him.

[Flying Squirrel]

65. Personally I'd think it was because they were anti-establishment

I remember the bitterness with regard to the MSM ignoring Edwards and promoting a two-person race, the "John Edwards does not exist" meme... The Edwards supporters were the most likely to feel disaffected so it makes sense that they would be more likely to sit out the election. I was an Edwards supporter, I did vote for Obama (twice) but now regret that I voted for anyone at all. (I did have the luxury of having been able to sit the election out, as I live in a comfortably blue state)

[randys1]

28. But you need to differentiate between passionate, possibly selfish Bernie supporters, but

sincere in their position, from planted Karl Rove and company posters who are here to make sure the very idea of voting for Hillary is an issue for anyone.

There is a huge effort in social media including places like DU where the seeds are being planted.

[brooklynite]

30. Sorry, DU isn't that important...

...with all due respect to Skinner, this isn't driving policy or politics in the real world. Republicans would be foolish to waste money posting things here to annoy the progressives.

[randys1]

31. Oh no, you completely misunderstand. Trust me, just the other day listening to one of my

liberal call in shows, the host answered out of order and we got to hear the rovian practicing his talking points.

No, they are here and all over the internet, social media, etc.

[okasha]

19. Many of us have noticed that.

I do tbink it's time to stop insulting Puma concolor though. Gonococcus seems about right.

[MohRokTah]

2. Mathematical elimination did not occur until late May, 2008.

That's how close it was.

She stayed in until Puerto Rico got their chance. That was out of respect for the Puerto Rican people.

I remember, as I supported Obama in 2008.

PUMAs did not take off until June of 2008, and they were a very tiny minority that the media decided to play up.

[Fearless]

5. That's some revisionist history right there.

Wow.

[MohRokTah]

7. Nope, mathematically she could still pull it out in May.

You did say mathematical elimination. Mathematically, she could still win through May. Logically, she would never meet the mathematical requirements, but she could still have mathematically won through late May.

Mathematical capability of winning is a very precise calculation. If you take 100% of the delegates in some remaining states and can pull ahead, you can still win mathematically even though logic dictates your opponent will take a percentage of those delegates.

Hillary was not mathematically eliminated until late May of 2008.

[Fearless]

10. Ok, she's not "mathematically" eliminated until there aren't enough votes left for her to win

Got it....

Because 100% of the last six or so states were totally going to vote for her.

Yep.

100%.

She was beaten months before she quit. She ran the campaign into the ground, and Barack Obama had to bail her out to the tune of several million dollars just to get her to concede.

Have fun with the revisionist history.

[joshcryer]

64. She lost, practically speaking, on Super Tues.

But there were threads here well into the summer about how she was going to screw with the selection or cause a brokered convention. Instead she enthusiastically backed Obama at the convention and busted her ass stumping.

She "stayed in" to keep the race alive (and in retrospect, to get a crap load of doner / volunteer data).

[artislife]

27. I forgot about her victory in PR

Too bad :

Voting rights of United States citizens in Puerto Rico, like the voting rights of residents of other United States territories, differ from those of United States citizens in each of the fifty states and the District of Columbia. Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for President. The United States Constitution grants congressional voting representation to U.S. states, which Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories are not, specifying that members of Congress shall be elected by direct popular vote and that the President and the Vice President shall be elected by electors chosen by the States.[Note 1]

That was hillarious.


Yes, she stayed in out of respect....

[MohRokTah]

32. Puerto Rico sent 55 delegates to the 2008 Democratic convention

38 were committed to Hillary Clinton and 17 were committed to Barack Obama.

Obama did not clinch the nomination until June 3, two days after the Puerto Rico primary.

[artislife]

33. H and her delegates

She loves them so.
And yet no electorial votes for President.

and are not entitled to electoral votes for President.

Highlighting important information from my previous post.

[MohRokTah]

34. Yet they still get a say in the nomination process

They are also the US territory most likely to one day become a state.

[artislife]

40. Yes they do

and isn't that kind of interesting.

Why hasn't it been made a state? Why didn't it get put in back when we brought in Hawaii and Alaska?

[MohRokTah]

41. Republicans will block all attempts at PR statehood. eom

[artislife]

45. Democrats didn't fight for it when they had a chance. nt

[joshcryer]

62. Delegates vote on the platform.

Arguably more important a task than voting for the presumptive nominee.

[joshcryer]

61. Clinton stayed in to keep the prices going.

She knew she'd lost by then. It was just to keep the primary process alive. No harm no foul. The people who acted like it was some kind of stupid vindictive thing have terrible character.

She later went on to bust her ass for Obama in 2008.

[Fearless]

4. Agreed! Awaiting the Hillary nominee purity pledge in three...two...one...

[SoapBox]

36. Aren't we supposed to march, MARCH...like a Zombie?

Because...they tell us to...period.

But Opps...news!

We can make our own choices in America and being ordered around with attitude, arrogance and lies doesn't cut it.

I will vote as I choose.

[NCTraveler]

11. So this is one of those serious issues I hear Sanders supporters stick to. lol

I'll remember the next time that absurd statement comes up.

[Ned_Devine]

13. What's so absurd about it?

[NCTraveler]

16. Just going to let you be to discuss this serious policy issue.

I have been told regularly that is what Sanders supporter stick to. The level of depth here is above my pay grade.

[Ned_Devine]

18. Maybe...

...voting for a candidate that has a record of voting against the Iraq war and isn't beholden to Wall Street isn't a serious enough issue for you. Let's talk about how sexist it is that those things are important to me then.

[Agschmid]

15. Yah it's definitely not meta.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Revised and amended

As Hillary Clinton 's march to the nomination and the presidency becomes more and more unstoppable expect the attacks on her and her supporters to become more vitriolic as they grow exponentially...

[stillwaiting]

20. Put them on ignore. They don't contribute anything worth our time. At all. nt

[Ned_Devine]

21. It's not very diplomatic, but pretty easy :)

It's too bad it has to be like this.

[Laser102]

37. Agree. Life is way too short.

[treestar]

22. pure infighting

no reason to post this otherwise.

Hillary is not a hawkish corporatist.

Over passionate supporters are dumb, and those were dumb then too.

[Major Hogwash]

23. Sounds like a really bad movie that became a cult classic, "The PUMA People".

Coming soon to a theater near you.

[artislife]

24. Nod my head in agreement. nt

[Renew Deal]

26. We thought they were pro-Hillary. It turns out they are anti-Democrat

[artislife]

29. Heh! nt

[lark]

35. You think we'll forget it when people like you have handed the presidency to the Repugs?

Hell no!

[Metric System]

38. Maybe you're the PUMA. Bernie supporters constitute the majority of current DU users. Hillary is

ahead in the polls. The party is behind her. Party Unity My Ass = Bernie supporters.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

39. Some of the fanatical Hillary supporters became fanatical Obama supporters after he won....

Then they went back to being fanatical Hillary supporters only nastier because they really think she was robbed the last time and they will be DAMNED to see it happen again.

[Ned_Devine]

43. Sounds about right

[jalan48]

42. Great rant!

[Ned_Devine]

68. Thanks

[bigtree]

44. I alerted on this

...besides being a ridiculous premise for a candidate AHEAD in the polls, it's a broad brush swipe at Hillary supporters unsupported by anything other than your own insulting bias. Save this nonsense for if and when your candidate actually gets in a position to claim someone's refusing to vote for him in the general.

[Flying Squirrel]

46. Pretty silly alert.. Awaiting the 1-6 or 0-7 leave results

[Ned_Devine]

47. Seriously? Thanks hall monitor Bigtree. Weak Sauce

[bigtree]

50. ooh, another insult

...inspiring.

[Ned_Devine]

51. That's an insult? When you act like a hall monitor, I'm going to say it.

[bigtree]

56. ugh

[Flying Squirrel]

55. Here we go

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

smearing a community of Hillary supporters (with a ridiculous premise for a candidate AHEAD in the polls)

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:24 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yet another bogus alert on a Bernie supporter. Must be a day that ends in a 'y'.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Way to prove the OP's point by trying to hide the post just because you disagree. Nothing hidable in this post, sorry.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: META
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Can I REC. it?

(I was juror 4) 2-5, that's at least one more 'hide' than I expected... A victory of sorts for Bigtree, I guess.

[bigtree]

57. shocking

...especially the one that says they're going to rec the thread.

I made my point. Carry on with this nonsense without me.

[Flying Squirrel]

63. I don't necessarily disagree that it's nonsense

But it's definitely par for the course in GDP and unworthy of a hide. (It was unworthy of a rec from me either, but it did generate some interesting discussion -- I had been unaware that Edwards supporters were the ones most likely to have sat out the election in 2008).

[Ned_Devine]

66. Thanks for the leg work of getting the jury results

I feel like I was tattled on

[Ned_Devine]

48. Interesting stat from 2008

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

[Juicy_Bellows]

49. I love the movie - loathe the PUMAs

I am a cat person but not a PUMA person. Good thread Steady Neddy.

KICK.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. I think there are a wide range of people who support Secretary Clinton for the nomination.

There is a subset, to be sure, that are overly emotionally identified with her and will undoubtedly lose their shit in a stellar fashion if, probably unlikely at this point, she does not become the nominee.

I will say as a Sanders supporter her campaign is being run better, this time around. A couple months or so ago they seemed like they had no clue what they were doing, but they've gotten much more on the ball.

[JI7]

54. yeah. PEople who refused to vote for the nominee and just kept attacking

Glad they were banned from here

[LanternWaste]

59. Engaging in some juicy, self-fulfilling prophecies makes a Monday pass by more quickly, I'd imagine.

Engaging in some juicy, self-fulfilling prophecies makes a Monday pass by more quickly, I'd imagine... regardless of the petulant and sub-literate rationalizations predicated on foot-stamping and breath-holding.

[JohnnyLib2]

60. Did anyone actually meet a PUMA?

Or document the existence? Sounds like some evil, mythical monster to me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. The ironic thing is the gentleman in the seminal poster's avatar endorsed Hillary Clinton

SMH