Bernie's campaign is not in trouble

[Bernblu]

because his campaign is not like Hlllary's campaign, a personal quest for achievement and power, that cannot run on its own issues and ideas. So it runs on Bernie's issues and ideas while attempting to swiftboat him in a contemptible manner that would make Karl Rove and Lee Atwater proud.

Hillary's campaign, even if she wins, will just be more of the same, more income inequality, more bad trade policies, and more support for her big donors at the expense of working people and the middle class. If she wins, she will be remembered as the first woman president but for little else except that her third-way neo-liberal pro-corporate policies continued the downfall and hallowing out of the American working and middle classes.

Bernie's campaign's is a campaign fighting for our very democracy and to win for every American their universal right to healthcare, a job, a livable wage, a free college education, and the right to retire and live in dignity. His campaign is also fighting to save the environment and for all of the other important issues and policies that can be viewed on Bernie's website:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Bernie's campaign is not merely a campaign but a movement. it is not based on an egotistical desire to be President but is based on the goals mentioned above: to right our democracy, to achieve universal rights for the American people, and to achieve the issues and policies discussed on Bernie's website. The quickest way to achieve these things would be to elect Bernie President. But win or lose, Bernie and his movement will continue to fight until they win their goals.

[MohRokTah]

1. .

[Kalidurga]

3. How nice of you to drop in just to employ an eye roll.

It speaks well of you as a person.

[Cassiopeia]

32. I'm thankful it wasn't the wall of rofl.

I'll take an eyeroll kick over that any day.

[Kalidurga]

38. Yes there is a poster that does that just to be disruptive

[Capt. Obvious]

81. I adblocked the rofl years ago

[Capt. Obvious]

80. I was curious

which ad-blocked smiley was posted.

[bravenak]

7. Hey.

and
too.

[riversedge]

17. hi....

?i10c=img.resize(width:1280)

[Half-Century Man]

29. An over the top fantasy piece.

I mean, who would jog and Kayak wearing pearls?

[Bobbie Jo]

31. LOL

That's awesome.

[Beartracks]

42. LOL What is this? And why isn't she jogging in a pantsuit?

====================

[AlbertCat]

55. Next....

we'll see those "Jesus is with you always" illustrations...




except with Hillary...


(P.S. That was a joke.... lighten up!)

[riversedge]

65. Here..this will explain more...

http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/91249/clinton-targeting-special-interests?mref=issue

[Beartracks]

82. Ah. Thanks. Bewilderment erased. N/t

[pinebox]

63. hi back

[Ed Suspicious]

33. .

[riversedge]

2. Run­ners for Hil­lary will just run over any Sanders issues.

[peacebird]

6. Another one bites the dust, another one bites the dust, & another one gone, another one gone!

[riversedge]

10. @HillaryClinton is fighting for us & #ImWithHer.

Hillary for NH Retweeted
Harrell Kirstein ?@HarrellKirstein 11m11 minutes ago

.@HillaryClinton is fighting for us & #ImWithHer. #HillaryInNH #nhpolitics

[peacebird]

4. I think Bernie will win the nomination. And then the Presidency

[riversedge]

14. The Kayakers for Hil­lary have run you over and made you dizzy & incoherent

[Maedhros]

18. You are behaving like a child in this thread, issuing silly taunts.[n/t]

[riversedge]

22. oh silly, these are not taunts--Just standing up for the Comback lady-->#Hillyes!

[Myrina]

72. Comments like the one you refer to have made my Ignore list a really cluttered place, I swear.

Some of these ... uhhh .... folks have really shown their asses thus far this election cycle, no?

[Maedhros]

83. DU is overrun with petulant children stamping their feet. [n/t]

[rhett o rick]

87. It's all they have. They need to distract from actual issues. nm

[MissDeeds]

39. I agree

[Cal33]

58. I fervently hope so. Among the candidates, Bernie is the only one who will be trying

his best and doing his damnedest to bring about the real change that is so very badly
needed in this country of ours.

[Scuba]

67. /\_/\_This_/\_/\

[mvd]

5. Win or lose, I am proud of him

It's not only about Bernie, but the grassroots movement. I really think his candidacy is a turning point. Hillary is far better than any Repuke, but Bernie shows where we should be heading.

[Blue_In_AK]

11. Thank you. I completely agree with this.

If Bernie hadn't been in this race, I wonder if Hillary would have adopted some of the more progressive stands that she has taken lately. Even though she leads in polls, I think Bernie is leading in ideas.

[SusanCalvin]

30. Of course she wouldn't.

Bernie has forced her to the left. At least in words.....

[Cal33]

53. That's the part I'm afraid of "At least in words." Once in office, she might become

a Wall Streeter again.

[SusanCalvin]

61. Oh, I don't think there's any "might" about it. nt

[Admiral Loinpresser]

70. ^^THIS^^ n/t

[Scuba]

68. Keep in mind that her past actions do not reflect the values she has recently "adopted."

A more cynical person might conclude that she's not sincere.

[NurseJackie]

12. Great post.

I agree with you.

[LongTomH]

19. Yes, that grassroots movement give me hope for the future -- for the first time in years!

[ChiciB1]

60. You Said It... For The FIRST TIME IN YEARS, BUT

for the FIRST TIME IN TOO MANY YEARS! The time is NOW!

[Control-Z]

64. Well, at least since 2008.

Or did you all forget that grassroots movement?

[sorechasm]

23. Bernie is winning by setting the tone and leading the discussion to liberal causes

If you are convinced that Hillary will actually stand behind her latest positions borrowed from Bernie, then vote for her (per Bernie's latest interview with Charlie Rose).

On the other hand, you could vote for Bernie directly. I think that Presidential decisions are too important to be borrowed from poll tested formulas.

[KoKo]

47. ...!

[AlbertCat]

56. Win or lose, I am proud of him

He's trying to change the very zeitgeist! He's the only one trying to do this. It seems to be working....win or lose.

[deutsey]

84. +1

[boston bean]

8. Bernie is so altruistic.

He's the best politician eva!

He has no ego, he is never political, but just ALWAYS right, and he has achieved so much in his 40 political career, there is nothing left to be done, except elect him, that is how powerful he is. He is just the wonderful of wonderful. He is perfect. There is NOTHING to be improved upon. He isn't in this for himself at all, he is only in it for you, he is a politician unlike any politician this WORLD has ever seen. He does nothing wrong. He is the bestest of the best. He is the cream of the crop. He will win the presidency with just 25% of the vote a true MIRACLE. You'll never witness anything like it in your life. Jump on board the Bernie train, true salvation!

[jwirr]

9. That last line is what Bernie wants us to remember. This

is just the beginning of the fight.

[MisterP]

13. the "low poll numbers" are still crawling upward at basically the same rate;

Clinton's bounce is strictly from Biden voters; Sanders' inroads are always aimed at these casual primary voters in and outside the party

[zappaman]

21. "Clinton's bounce is strictly from Biden voters"

Yes, wait until the first debate when Sanders trounces Clinton and voters learn who he is!
And once she has to testify at the Benghazi hearings, which she is probably shitting her pants about, it's all over!
Bernie will march right to the white house!

[workinclasszero]

25. Time to move the goal post guys...bernies brain-trust

[Ed Suspicious]

51. Laugh it up. Well just be over there working hard

and making progress. Tortuga!

[JaneyVee]

15. It's in trouble if you think you're going to win over any HRC supporters....

By denigrating Hillary. Hillary can win without Bernie supporters, Bernie can't win without Hillary supporters.

[blackspade]

35. "Hillary can win without Bernie supporters, Bernie can't win without Hillary supporters."

Maybe, maybe not in the primary. But one thing is for sure, Clinton can't win without Sanders supporters in the general election.

So if you all are so sure about a cruise to victory in the primary, then maybe start thinking ahead to the general, and quit pissing all over Sanders supporters whose votes will be sorely needed.
Deliberately suppressing the Democratic turnout in the general will spell disaster for the country and the Party.

[Scuba]

69. I don't think there's any way she can win the general election. Republicans would turn out ...

... in record numbers to vote against her and she's done nothing to inspire anyone to the left of Eisenhower.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

71. +1 n/t

[Myrina]

73. +2

Conversely, HRC supporters claiming they will 'sit it out' if she's not the nominee show their true colors as not-so-liberal / progressive Dems, doesn't it?

It reveals that they really were part of the cult of personality rather than being in it because of her policies or what a HRC Presidency would do for the greater good.

[jeff47]

78. A lot of her supporters seem to forget we don't have a national popular vote.

She has to win the swing states. And all of them are rural/urban divide states where she needs to energize the urban vote to overcome the rural voters.

The only voters Clinton energizes are the Republicans.

[bvf]

54. Well, that's complete crap.

Why all the hand wringing every time a Sanders supporter says he or she won't vote for Clinton then?

Not that there are a lot of them, but hell, if your statement were even remotely true, there'd be no reason to raise a peep if every Sanders supporter said the same thing.

Your statement is ludicrous, and you know it.

Time to update my sig. Can I quote you? I'll be sure to include attribution!

[Myrina]

74. That speaks volumes about what the HRC supporters really stand for, then.

So 'get in the party line' would only apply if HRC gets the nod? If she doesn't, then they're going to take their votes and stay home, brooding? How short-sighted and selfish.

[DianeK]

16. eloquently said..

thank you!

[Gregorian]

20. We've already won, even if he never sets foot in the White House.

And I've heard more than one person who feels this way.

It's amazing to see a young kid, as well as someone elderly, who both share the same enthusiasm for this vision. A silent group of Americans is finally being heard.

[KoKo]

52. Yep Hillary and now the Repubs (in tonights debate)

are falling all over themselves talking about the Poor, Disenfranchised and how the Wall Street Policies and Big Pharma, College Loans and the Rich and Entitled are hurting average Americans, the Poor and Women.

[workinclasszero]

24. Number 1

If you have to make posts saying your campaigns not in trouble...your campaign is in trouble LOL

And then if your post is nothing but a fact free screed full of wild accusations with no basis in reality, its really really over.

Feel the Bern-out bro.

[redstateblues]

27. Send them to the Bern unit

[workinclasszero]

28. LOL

[Uncle Joe]

26. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Bernblu.

[kelliekat44]

34. this is how we lose.

"because his campaign is not like Hlllary's campaign, a personal quest for achievement and power, that cannot run on its own issues and ideas. So it runs on Bernie's issues and ideas while attempting to swiftboat him in a contemptible manner that would make Karl Rove and Lee Atwater proud."

What has the Hillary campaign done that is anywhere near what Atwater and Rove did? And why is it that everyone else..yes, even the GOP candidates ..can run for the Presidency for noble reasons and Hillary is the only now who is running for a "personal quest of achievement and power?"

This woman was in the trenches before many of the Sanders supporters were out of diapers. It is just insane for any who call themselves Democrats to demean her in this way. You don't have to like her or even support her but some of this shit is beyond reason.

[demwing]

37. Its due to the swiftboating

This tactic draws the comparison to Rove, and it's a very valid criticism of team Hillary.

[mcar]

75. What swiftboating?

[workinclasszero]

40. Well look at what their leader himself has said about the democratic party

"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns?
The long, troubled history of Bernie Sanders and the 'ideologically bankrupt' party whose White House nod he now seeks.
By MICHAEL KRUSE and MANU RAJU August 10, 2015

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

Its all a scam on Bernies part if you ask me. We will know for sure when Hillary wins the nomination and Bernie turns his back on us and walks away. I fully expect him and 90% of his backers to do this.

We already got a preview of this with their walkout at the JJ dinner.

[Yallow]

44. Half The Dems Work For The Same Billionaires

All the Republicans work for.

Mary Oil Babe Landreau.

Allison Coal Grimes. (didn't make it)

Chuck Hedgefund Carried Interest OK Schumer.

The list goes on.

They aren't all the same, but the difference isn't that great.

[cprise]

45. Someone is forgetting about 2014

Scam? LOL... This is an opportunity for the Democratic Party.

You should be asking what can be done to keep a politician like Bernie.

[artislife]

49. Trenches?

Governor's house
Board at Wal*Mart
White House
New York State senate with 3 very impressive bills that she authored and got passed.

I am in awe.

[Art_from_Ark]

66. That comment you're replying to

is one of the most comical things I've read today.

"Trenches" =living in the Arkansas Governor's Mansion and getting free rides in Walmart corporate jets-- that's just hillaryarious

[artislife]

76. The myth building is truly

a piece of work.

[Gman]

36. Does Samders know all this?

[Bernblu]

46. Yes he does.

[brooklynite]

41. And if he loses to the candidate who you believe espouses none of those principles?

You don't think that's "trouble"?

[Hulk]

43. Agree with the post 110%

Reactionary drivel. The who election process is a sick and disgusting farce.

Help me out here, cause I seriously don't get it. WHY do we have 18 fook'd months of this nonsense? Seriously. We need to have the airwaves saturated with such nonsense as "someone on a campaign payroll said something stupid"? Really? How relevant. Even with the loud mouth, egotistical ass hole...he said anything that wasn't offensive or had more substance than being a punchline to a racist joke? Come on America.

It's a damn long way to the finish line. The last election had a different clown out front for the repuKKKe dog bone every week. This year is different, but just as irrelevant. The Democrats have only 3, and really only two serious contenders.

I'm not ready to concede to HRC.....yet.

[stevenleser]

48. The ending to your subject should be, "... it's over". nt

[artislife]

50. I don't trust the source nt

[jeff47]

79. "...until 8 years later when you refute all your previous reporting." (nt)

[stevenleser]

85. So Bernie is still pro gun then too? Still badmouthing the Democratic Party and Obama?

Or is he allowed to change his mind but no one else?

[jeff47]

86. Nope. I'm referring to your large reversal from 8 years ago. (nt)

[stevenleser]

88. Nope, I'm referring to pro-gun Bernie and anti-Obama Bernie and anti-Democratic party

Bernie. If none of us are allowed to change our minds, he still owns that.

[TheKentuckian]

57. Not at all. Shit is just getting started but there is an effort to snuff it and sew fear,

uncertainty, and doubt in shock and awe fashion.

[ChiciB1]

59. YES, Bernie's Campaign IS NOT A Campaign, Because

it's a campaign that actually wants to include "we the people" and as stated a MOVEMENT to better this broken, splintered country!! It's not ALL about HIM, it's about us and it's up to US to fight NOW because it's the REAL DEAL! If we let TPTB roll over us again my kids and grandkids are going to be looking straight into THE NEW WORLD ORDER! I may be gone, but I will have left without doing what my father taught me all my life. Try to leave this world a better place for those who come after.

As a woman I'm highly insulted that so many think ALL of us are buying the semi "I am a Woman, Hear Me Roar" crap right now! As each day goes by and she's dancing her little dervishes that ring so hollow to my ears, I'm becoming more and more upset and I'm basically insulted! I've pretty much been able to stay away from MSM so I don't have to listen to so many other woman "gush" everything Hillary. Still I hear it, I see it here and it isn't making me feel good in ANY way. I have no reason to think that her election will bring ANY change because I'm having a hard time believing another form of Hillary.

THIS HILLARY isn't the same from last time, not the same as she was when she ran for Senator and a person who I find about as genuine as a TWO DOLLAR BILL! And yes a $2 bill exists so it's a reference in case anyone wants to make a big deal about it. I honestly don't want to feel this way about her and at times tell myself not to listen to that tiny voice in the back of my head, but the voice won't go away.

So I sit looking at this screen pouring out my thoughts to those who think as I do, then gather together with those of us who are willing to be his boots on the ground and spread his message.

[WillyT]

62. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[coyote]

77. You are right...Hillary brings absolutely nothing to the table for the majority of Americans.

I don't understand why anyone would vote for her unless, of course, you are happy with the status quo. The middle class is being decimated. Income inequality is at its highest since the Great Depression, and she think the biggest problem facing us is nuclear arms in Iran. Absolute bonkers.