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[leftofcool]

1. Gee, maybe Tad Devine will "allow Hillary to be VP"

[berni_mccoy]

2. Please, snark it off. But this issue will be a problem for her.

She can't help but run a nasty and disgusting campaign. And Bernie's not going to drop out.

[leftofcool]

4. It is obviously not a problem but you keep trying.

[berni_mccoy]

5. Some have forgotten... some are ok with it...

which are you again?

[artislife]

18. They approve of her message

No matter which message she gives. No matter the morphing it takes and no matter who it decides to target.

They approve the messenger, always.

[7962]

47. MAybe it SHOULD be, but it WONT be.

Clintons are bulletproof when it comes to past deeds and statements. We've only seen it 100 times.
But I do wish you the best of luck. I've reminded people of the "he'd be carrying our bags" statement by Bill many times and been accused of being a "right winger" because I brought it up!! And had 2 posts hidden for mentioning the OTHER elephant in the room.

[SCantiGOP]

132. Welcome to my Ignore list, berni

I don't know if Sanders supporters realize how much they are undermining him with drivel like this.

[Fuddnik]

45. He's kinder than I am. I don't want her as VP either.

Just let her and Bill go away and run their Global Slush Fund.

[tex-wyo-dem]

82. +1000!

Personally, I've had it up to eyeballs with the Clintons. To me they represent a Democratic Party that has completely lost its moral compass, stroking the big money and greed at every turn rather than being the voice for those among us who have the least.

The party needs a dramatic change, and Bernie represents everything that change needs to entail IMO.

[frylock]

100. Why don't you explain to us how that remark was at all sexist?

[arcane1]

130. She's a woman, so anything said about her is now officially sexist, even if it's not.

When they can't win on policy, this is plan B.

[FlatBaroque]

3. power and influence for the sole purpose of self-enrichment

is how I define Hillary Clinton.

[Fumesucker]

7. I'm convinced that power, money and influence are at least as addictive as any drug

I've been feeling sorry for Hillary for a while, more fame and fortune than all but a very few in history and she's still not satisfied.

[GummyBearz]

19. +1

She's gotta go down in history as first female president. Then all her dreams will come true. Even though some of her policies down right scary, and we have a GREAT alternative choice, some people also want to make her fairy tale complete

[7962]

48. +1000

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. The irony is if I responded to this calumny in kind is I would get a hide.

The irony is if I responded to this calumny in kind is I would get a hide from a gamed jury system. On the other hand I live with the knowledge that in real life I can say whatever I want free from fear and intimidation because of who I am.

[Fumesucker]

9. We agree for once, Hillary's words and deeds in 2008 were calumny

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Oh, we disagree on that...

But thank you in advance for agreeing to everything else.

[Renew Deal]

12. One of your alert stalkers alerted on this post

And failed. 1-6

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. They want to silence me...

One of you ur alert stalkers alerted on this post And failed. 1-6

if my alert stalkers are reading this let me just say I prefer death to dishonor and the grave to be silenced.

P.S. Please post it. If you are concerned that the alert stalkers will stalk you too you can mail it to me.

Thank you in advance.

PEACE
DSB

[NCTraveler]

68. I would say you should wear that alert as a badge of honor.

But it's so foolish you don't even get to do that with it. lol.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I will mail you the alert. It's unbelievable.

eom

[NCTraveler]

91. That was awesome.

I felt the Bernz. They displayed they aren't familiar with the operation of the site or its rules. And if they are consistent, they will have to alert on this post as well. And your post that I am replying to. And most of the other posts in this forum. And.....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. Do you like my new sig?

Did you see the movie?

[NCTraveler]

108. Absolutley. Seems to happen often. nt.

[Bread and Circus]

113. I haven't alerted you and never likely will but I do find your posts irritating...

Because from what I read you don't focus on the actual issues at hand, you fail to answer questions in a forthright manner, and you treat your audience as stupid as if they don't know what you are really up to.

It seems like a game to you and that's what is so turning off many to the Clinton camp. It is just about winning, ethics, morals, and quality be damned.

But then again this is just a forum board and in the big picture no one really cares what we say or post.

Just don't expect a considerable portion of those who vote left for center to do a whole lot for Clinton once she gets nominated.

You broke it, you bought it. Have fun arguing and pleading with a Republican Congress for the next 4 to 8 years. Have fun getting passed without selling your Party's soul. Have fun watching your prescious Hillary squirm ininvestigation after investigation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

118. Well, there's one thing we agree on:

Well, there's one thing we largely agree on:

But then again this is just a forum board and in the big picture no one really cares what we say or post.

[Bread and Circus]

120. Aye

[DemocratSinceBirth]

124. A lot of what I write is tongue in cheek...Make it a great day!!! Oh, that wasn't. (SMILE)

eom

[Amimnoch]

117. Really, everything that could be said about this would be hidable.

[7962]

56. You have GOT to be kidding. The alerter should be banned from alerting.

Whether or not I agree with that post is irrelevant; there is NOTHING in it to warrant a hide as a violation of the rules. Which is how we ALL are supposed to base our vote. Yet ONE did vote to hide. Ridiculous. But then, I've recently been victim to the same thing so it shouldnt be a surprise at all

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

8. Also, among the remaining major candidates, she's the only one without a specific racial justice

platform. She comes as close as 'criminal justice reform', which has a few vague points.

Ending the era of mass incarceration. As president, Hillary will work to reform our criminal justice system by changing the way we approach punishment and prison. She will reform mandatory minimum sentences for low-level nonviolent offenses, increase support for mental health and drug treatment, pursue alternative punishments for low-level offenders, and end private prisons. The campaign does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies, and will donate any such direct contributions to charity.

Encouraging the use of smart strategies—such as police body cameras—to fight crime and rebuild trust in our communities. Hillary has called for every police department in the nation to have body cameras to improve transparency and accountability on both sides of the lens. She also believes that the best practices of successful police departments that are protecting the public without resorting to unnecessary force should be applied by police forces nationwide.

Urging Americans to come to terms with hard truths about race and justice. Black men across this country are being killed at a rate that far outpaces any other group. We must address the role race continues to play in America in order to reform our criminal justice system and move the nation forward.

Strengthening America’s families. We cannot ensure smart policing or reform the criminal justice system unless we also address the underlying issues facing African Americans. This is why Hillary plans to provide better economic opportunities for the middle class, make college affordable for all, and ensure that families are reaching their potential.

That's it. That's as close to a racial justice platform as she gets. A brief mention that, yes, black (male) Americans are being killed far more than anyone else. Her solution? Body cameras, less use of force, reduced sentences, and economic positions that mimic Sanders and that get him derision when he talks about them. Both Sanders and O'Malley have FAR more detailed racial justice policies and adopted them far more quickly.

ETA - But props to her for making her first point the dismantling of the school to prison pipeline she and her husband constructed, that put millions of black Americans in jail. At least she realizes she's to blame for it, even if she won't admit to it in public.

[stillwaiting]

14. Add her pro-death penalty and anti-marijuana decriminalization/legalization.

Those 2 policies are hideous in their ramifications and consequences for POC in a racist society such as ours.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

21. Yup.

It's classic HRC giving with one hand and taking with the other, doing what she can to get credit for 'doing good things' while still doing other things that diminish the effects of the things she's being as visible as possible about doing. I don't see a single concrete action in there that actually stops the killings of black men, or even really slows it down much.

How about automatic reviews of all police shootings by NON-LEO related panels, not 'independent' reports put together by people who are part of racist structural system to justify the shooting of children with toy guns within two seconds after police roll up to a scene?

Abolishment of 'fear' as a defense for murdering people? No more being able to simply walk because you claim you 'thought he was reaching for a gun' (that didn't even exist.) No more 'he was reaching for my gun' defenses, unless there's video that shows it, and his fingerprints on your gun?

Until police are actually going to jail for the murders they commit, the beatings they commit, those murders and beatings will not end.

[tex-wyo-dem]

88. She's triangulating, dontcha know ...nt

[Renew Deal]

11. And yet Obama made her Secretary of State and has more or less endorsed her for president.

[berni_mccoy]

17. He also forgave Bush... that doesn't say a lot for her ethics or morality.

[Renew Deal]

23. Link?

Because we both know you made it up.

[berni_mccoy]

26. Don't need one for that dude. Everyone here knows Obama "turned the page" and

"looked to the future" w.r.t. Bush's use of torture, spying and illegal war in Iraq.

So did Clinton btw, and she had direct evidence of the conspiracy to go to war in Iraq. Perhaps it's because she supported it in every way.

[Renew Deal]

31. Yes, that's the source I expected

None at all

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. As a dispassionate observer I have to give this round to you.

eom

[7962]

59. here's another:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/durham-torture-cia-obama-holder

[Renew Deal]

84. Where is the part where "Obama forgave Bush?"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. I don't think he can respond to you now.

eom

[artislife]

75. FTW!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. Sir

Oh for FUCK SAKES, you are thick

-berni mccoy

While not hide or alert worthy I must respectfully submit that such harsh language and invective does not rise to the lofty standards the denizens of this board should subscribe to.

[Renew Deal]

87. Seems like a soft hide

But juries are unpredictable

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. My response was prior to the hide but he did address you disrespectfully.

Oh well... This is a reachable moment. Think before hitting the "Post my reply!" icon.

[tex-wyo-dem]

109. Yep. IMO an olive branch...

That was one nasty primary in 2008. Obama was successful in toppling the anointed one and the Clintons are like party royalty with lots of power. My guess is that there was a lot of pressure from the party for Obama to appoint Hil in a high profile position, uniting the party and keeping her in the public conscience so she could run for POTUS in 2016. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Obama had someone else in mind for SoS as a first choice, but chose the olive branch instead and Hillary's claim that Obama had confidence in her is only partially true.

And, no, I don't have a link...this is just my opinion.

[NCTraveler]

71. And Sanders called impeaching Bush "impractical."

Sensible woodchuck.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Res ipsa loquitur

When I set off to march across the Edmund Pettus bridge in Selma, Alabama, 50 years ago, I did so with the knowledge that I might not come back alive.

But I also knew that what we were trying to accomplish was vital to holding on to the promise of our country: that every person, regardless of race, had a say in their government.

I could never have guessed that in the year 2015, I’d be fighting essentially the same fight all over again.

While Republican candidates keep insisting that there isn’t a problem, Hillary Clinton has committed to turning the tide in favor of expanding voting rights for all Americans. That’s why I’m proud to be a part of this week's launch of African Americans for Hillary -- and I hope you’ll join me.

I was proud to hear Hillary reaffirm her commitment to protecting voting rights in Alabama recently at the Alabama Democratic Conference Convention -- as well as to reforming our criminal justice system and advocating for funding for historically black colleges and universities.

I look forward to fighting for her the way she’s fighting for all of us. That starts right here, when you stand with her.


-John Lewis

[berni_mccoy]

20. Sure, she'll go to bat for voting rights... she wants their votes.

But when it comes to social justice in general... her record isn't great. And that doesn't change the fact that she will throw ethics and morality to the wind in order to win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. She has a stellar record on human rights and that's why John Lewis and I stand beside her.

I will defer to a civil rights icon and a man who literally bears the physical scars of the struggle over a random internet poster, if you don't mind.

[berni_mccoy]

27. Then you stand by the racist tactics of her 2008 campaign. Duly noted.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. If you believe you have done more for the cause of civil rights than John Lewis.

If you believe you have done more for the cause of civil rights than John Lewis there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

[berni_mccoy]

57. You are now discombobulated and making no sense what so ever

But keep rambling... it's entertaining at least.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Is that your way of saying I won the argument? There certainly are more chivalrous ways.

eom

[workinclasszero]

55. One million% agree!

John Lewis stands with Hillary and I am proud to do the same!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. I am proud to stand with you, Hillary, and John Lewis.

When we all stand united we are unstoppable.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

16. Wow.

I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

She has the ethics of Richard Nixon.

[Beausoir]

24. Desperation...it's what's for breakfast.

Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

[berni_mccoy]

28. What lie has been told in the OP? Your blindness and/or acceptance of her tactics says everything

about you.

[Beausoir]

30. The LIE in the OP is that Clinton ran a racist campaign.

Lies lies lies yeah. Not going to help Bernie much is it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. As Hillary supporters...

As Hillary supporters we are exemplars to the world and consequently should try to be nice and to comfort them. In their anger, denial, and despair they are lashing out indiscriminately. I know it is difficult but we must at least try to rise above it.

[berni_mccoy]

44. That is a fact backed up with evidence in the OP. Who made the racist robocalls?

But go ahead, put your head in the sand.

[prayin4rain]

106. Surmise, suspicion and innuendo is not evidence. Hillary

said, "as far as I know", because that's accurate. It would be inaccurate for her to just say no to a question that she could not possibly have any personal knowledge of the answer. She was EXTREMELY clear that NO, she has seen NOTHING to suggest that Obama was Muslim. Sorry that you don't like it, but she's an attorney and she answered a question, that she could not possibly have personal knowledge of, accurately. To suggest she was really trying to do something sinister with her answer is surmise and suspicion, which you will characterize as "evidence" to smear a prominent democrat in a horrible way.

[restorefreedom]

25. i applaud your courage for posting this

normally posting anything truthful that happens to be negative about Hillary results in alerts, not to mention a slew of hard-hitting comments let's just say. But it's hard to dispute what comes out of somebody's own mouth. That's why this election is so important. this is a chance to put identity politics to bed for a very long time if not for good. It's very hard, seeing what her positions are on so many of these issues, how people can support her and also claim to be progressive or liberal or even a Democrat. But I get it now, it's not about the policies, it's about HER. And Bernie is about the issues, which is why he will win. I hope you're wearing your heavy duty armor today because stuff will be flying.

[berni_mccoy]

29. Don't worry, I'm an old-timer. Been through this before. Many of her supporters weren't here in 2008

And I suspect they are getting an eye opener.

And I'm not worried about polls or the current state of the campaign. When Clinton's tactics became clear, she started losing people quickly... No one wants to be associated with that kind of behavior.

[Renew Deal]

38. I'm glad you're not worried about the polls

Hillary's campaign shouldn't be either. The great awakening you expected people have when they simply heard the voice of St. Bernie Sanders never happened and now his campaign is going the wrong direction.

[berni_mccoy]

46. I'm glad she's not worried. She won't see it coming then...

Please, proceed.

[peacebird]

61. Boom! Agree 100%!

[Renew Deal]

86. Neither do you

[tex-wyo-dem]

126. FTW! nt

[restorefreedom]

72. very true. keep on truckin! :) nt

[thereismore]

32. Boom. Agreed. nt

[CharlotteVale]

33. I remember too. It shocked me that any Democrat could act that

way. Now nothing she does surprises me.

[LexVegas]

35. Support Obama? He ran a homophobic campaign in S. Carolina. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

36. I find it to be disturbing that DUers who called her racist in 08 now say she's not at all, but

Bernie is. I hope they understand that their antics influence my opinion about the DUers and not the candidates nor the issues. A person who will use extreme language against and then for the same candidate has no regard for the process, nor the issues exploited nor any respect for others with whom they engage.

[bbgrunt]

99. yes. I'm one who never understands how voters could vote

for W or Reagan or support people like Walker or Paul Ryan or all the clowns in the republicon primary, but I guess we have the same phenomenon in our own party. Sad.

[Lunabell]

39. Exactly!

But I WILL vote for her if she is the nominee. A rethuglican would kill this country!

[FiveGoodMen]

131. And a repulican registered as a Democrat will also kill it...

...while leaving the impression that liberals are to blame.

[KittyWampus]

40. Hillary is flawed. Don't want her for POTUS.Bernie isn't ready for prime time.

Bernie is even more flawed than Hillary no matter how ideal his policies LOOK ON PAPER.

Bernie Sanders has no support in the Democratic Party establishment.

He's an ideologue like a great many of his supporters.

He would get nothing done.

Hillary's pragmatism causes her vacillation, but at least she'd move the ball forward.

And those racist dog whistles from her last campaign showed how stupid her advisors were.

Minorities essentially are the core of the Democratic party now.

Let's hope she's got better people on her team.

[lobodons]

42. Enjoy your GOP racist President then

and the 2-3 racist SCOTUS judges he selects and the racist 6-3 or 7-2 SCOTUS for next 30 years.

[slumcamper]

66. Precisely! Thank you for seeing and expressing the bigger picture.

This election needs to be about the forest, not the trees. Although passions always run deep and high, in the end we must not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

None of our candidates are perfect (no matter how close we might believe they are). But appropriately viewed within a the framework of our fundamental values and beliefs they are pretty damn good. Every voter has an opportunity to lend their vote for the side of goodness in the great and interminable struggle for progress and justice. Complacency rooted in bitterness does nothing to move us forward.

I encourage Democrats of all stripes, first, to vote, and then continue pushing to move us even more. Our work is never done.

[jwirr]

110. Where is it you want to move us? She is status quo. So we

are going to get nothing we really need from her. If I have to have status quo I will go with the one who is at least going to try to get what we want and do no damage (TPP).

As to appointing racist SCOTUS judges - I trust Bernie - he will nominate liberal judges. She will nominate judges who agree with her - all DLC judges.

[BeyondGeography]

43. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of black voters moved on a long time ago

Starting right about here:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Some folks prefer to "keep waving the bloody shirt."

eom

[workinclasszero]

63. Its all they got

Bernie's campaign is failing miserably.

America heard his ranting at the first debate and weren't impressed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. True

Its all they got

And they are very upset. I am a liberal and consequently value empathy so I am going to try to help them through this.

[workinclasszero]

78. Good luck

I think Bernie's campaign is going to turn real ugly before its over.

As evidence of that I give you this pathetic thread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. "If people can learn to hate they can be taught to love."

[workinclasszero]

49. John Lewis endorses Hillary for President

John Lewis Biography
Civil Rights Activist, U.S. Representative (1940–)

Born near Troy, Alabama, on February 21, 1940, John Lewis grew up in an era of segregation. Inspired by Martin Luther King Jr., he joined the burgeoning Civil Rights Movement. Lewis was a Freedom Rider, spoke at 1963's March on Washington and led the demonstration that became known as "Bloody Sunday." He was elected to Congress in 1986 and received the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2011.

http://www.biography.com/people/john-lewis-21305903

I'll take the word and judgement of John Lewis over anybody on this board, that's for damn sure.

[berni_mccoy]

52. See response 20 above

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=740981

[onenote]

90. Is your point that John Lewis only cares about voting rights and not about social justice?

Because I'm not buying that. And I'm not buying that the more than two dozen other African American members of Congress who have endorsed Clinton don't care about social justice.

I'm supporting Bernie, but this kind of attack on Clinton makes me nuts. It's unnecessary and divisive. You think the African-American community is going to appreciate suggestions that their representatives in Congress are sell outs who support a racist candidate?

[workinclasszero]

96. Tell it to John Lewis

A man that put his life on the line time and time again for civil rights.

I'm nothing. A voice on the internet.

John Lewis is a lion among men. Its public record the incredible things he did for freedom.

And he backs Hillary Clinton for the nomination and presidency.

Feel free to ignore anything I say, but don't make a big mistake and ignore what John Lewis says.

[Gamecock Lefty]

50. Oh Boy - Another "Why I Can't Vote for Hillary' Thread . . .

Yawn.

[berni_mccoy]

54. Oh boy, another "it doesn't matter what Hillary does, she's the one."

[MrWendel]

64. How is....

throwing shit up against the wall to see if it sticks working so far?

[liberal N proud]

62. If she were a racist, why would she have campaigned for Obama in 2008 Presidential Election?

[berni_mccoy]

65. You sure you want to ask such a dumb question?

If you delete your response, I'll delete mine to save you the embarrassment.

[liberal N proud]

73. I will follow your lead

[berni_mccoy]

76. Ok, then. First, you twist my words...

I said she ran a racist campaign. Does that make her racist as you suggest? Maybe. But it certainly says she's got no morals or ethics, even when it comes to attacking her fellow Democrats. Furthermore, she campaigned for Obama for two reasons: because she wanted to be Sec. of State and because she's an opportunist with no morals or ethics. She'll do and say anything to obtain a higher position of power, and this is proof.

Thanks for bringing it up.

[liberal N proud]

95. If one is judged by their actions then yes your stories are calling her a racist

And there is no other way to judge someone than by their actions. Which campaigning for a Black President is contrary to your stories.

[jwirr]

112. No it isn't she campaigned for him so that when she wanted

something from the Democratic Party when she ran they would give it to her. Has she sat out that election she would not be supported by the establishment right now. Nor would she have become SOS.

Everything she does is for herself.

[Art_from_Ark]

103. What did she get for her efforts?

The top position at State.

[AzDar]

70. Clinton is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[artislife]

74. Some of us remember like it like it was yesterday.

And some of us cannot shake it off and support her.

I see it happen, though.

I find that odd.

[Faux pas]

79. K N R

[Gman]

80. Oh, friggin' spare me

What an imagination you have. So go ahead and vote GOP. They're not racists. Of course.

[sabrina 1]

83. I remember it well. And if they think people have forgotten, they couldn't be more wrong.

The tactics ARE Rovian, they admore Rove at the Third Way Think Tank.

All that Corporate Money floating around is used to pay think tanks to come up with what THEY think are winning smear campaigns.

She lost the last time.

It was one of the reasons I was able to get people to support Obama, because even people who were leaning towards here, really hate those smear campaigns.

Let them keep doing it, it's a sure way to drive people she is going to need IF she wins the primary, away.

I won't support anyone who insults MY intelligence then comes asking for my support.

So either they clean up their act, or she is going to lose probably in the Primary anyhow.

[Major Hogwash]

127. Turn out in the primaries is going to determine the race.

Bernie gets people excited to vote, and that is what wins elections.

[prayin4rain]

85. Some of you will not be happy until the character of Democrats is smeared

to the point that a lunatic republican is in office. You hurt the entire party, including Bernie, with this vile shit.

[Fumesucker]

114. Quoting Hillary and her 2008 campaign is now "vile shit"?

Seems to me if it's vile now it was vile then.

[prayin4rain]

122. Putting out propaganda pieces that take her quotes out of

context to make it appear that the most prominent democrat is racist, is vile shit, yes. She answered the Muslim question ACCURATELY (to her knowledge) and unequivocally (she has seen NOTHING to indicate that he's a Muslim).

A bunch of blog posts about their suspicions surrounding video quality, is ridiculous. A campaign person resigning after they made comments that even hinted at racism, being cast as Hillary being racist, is sensationalism. Sometimes campaign managers do stupid shit and they get asked to leave. And on, and on, and on, is vile shit.

I can take ANY statement or circumstance out of context and exaggerate its meaning to the point of making Mother Theresa look like Hitler. This shit is ridiculous.

[left lowrider]

92. That is exactly when she lost me too

I was on the fence in 2008 and then her negative campaign and Clinton's statement that Obama "as far as I know is not a Muslim"made it clear that a Clinton presidency would be full of disingenuous lawyer speak and bull___ from beginning to end with no moral compass.

[pa28]

94. I'd forgotten how she darkened his face in that ad.

After her campaign ran such a creepy, racist bid in 2008 we probably shouldn't be surprised at the cynical race and sexism attacks on Bernie Sanders.

BTW Thanks for reminding me. It's part of her record and it should be examined.

[UglyGreed]

97. K/R

[EndElectoral]

101. I get John Lewis endorsed her and Obama hired her, but...did she really do all these things? If so,

it is pretty despicable.

[anamnua]

102. The one unforgiveable thing Obama did was to smear the Clintons as racists in 2008.nt.

[Aerows]

104. You can't tell people

that are completely and totally in the bag for Hillary that they are wrong.

She might become President.

I hope everyone that is cheering her on thinks about that for a minute. Do you actually think she will give a thought to you after she is elected? I know better.

[SoapBox]

105. wow...I forgot about that Ferraro fiasco.

Will never ever vote for her.

[bbgrunt]

107. k and r

[hughee99]

111. Come on, you know Clinton isn't racist.

That would imply she has a firmly held belief. Like on any other issue, she will do or say whatever is to her advantage at the time. In this election, running such a campaign won't be to her benefit, so you can be sure you won't see another similar campaign from her this time around.

[TwilightGardener]

116. Bingo. 100% ambition and calculation, no core beliefs.

Beyond herself needing to be President, of course.

[hughee99]

119. Yes, but NOT a racist. I'll give her that. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

121. Yes. Race is just a useful tool against opponents.

Same as gender.

[MissDeeds]

115. Thanks for the info, berni_mccoy

K&R

[lark]

123. Serious question.

Do you think she is more or less racist than any of the Repug candidates for president? I think she's way less racist than them and WAY, WAY less dangerous. If you can live with a Repug as president, go ahead and sit on your high horse and don't vote in the general. You will be helping to give our country away to the oligarchs and will hate the results, I'd bet.

No, she's not perfect and I'm definitely voting for Bernie in the primary. However, come the general election, I revert to my yellow dog status and will vote for the imperfect D over the glaringly horrible and disastrous R. Which side are you on?

[WillyT]

125. K & R !!!

[Chicago1980]

128. Stop with this wedge crap.

You're supposed to be saving that mess for the republicans, not your own potential candidates.

Democrats are their own worst enemy and in this sense aren't any better than the republicans.

[librechik]

129. don't worry

it's delusional to believe your vote has any effect on which candidate wins or what our policies are. The President doesn't even have much influence. Other people than our elected representatives rule us, and yes, they seem to be racist and choose to use race as a lever of government. Then there is the unconscious racism and misogyny, which is intolerable. But singling out Hillary as the source is wrongheaded. It is accepting of the imaginary worldview our perception managers want us to exist in.


Vote all you want--
http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html?event=event25