2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCLINTON Throws Out BLACK LIVES MATTER Activists During Speech On Race
Here is a different perspective: police dragging out Black Lives Matter protesters!
While Clinton spoke at a campaign event at Clark Atlanta University, a group of protesters began marching across the floor, singing and clapping. While the protesters were singing, the pro-Hillary crowd attempted to shout them down, chanting, Hillary! Hillary! Hillary! The former Secretary of State tried unsuccessfully to silence the protesters, who say she hasnt been vocal enough in her opposition to police brutality.
http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/clinton-holds-campaign-speech-in-atlanta-to-discuss-race-throws-out-black-lives-matter-activists-video/
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,865 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....the "deer in the headlights" vision of him cowering in the face of a similar incident a couple of months ago.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)listening is 'now' a weakness. That is until it needs to be something else. Have a lovely evening.
Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)Jeez...
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I too have been struggling to keep up.
Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)But also really motion-sick.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Via Brock
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the reminder. I am so proud of my candidate tonght after watching this display of authoritarianism. Hillary's is having a very bad week I'm afraid.
Bernie shines by comparison.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)thought they had it all wrapped up, the Corporatists that the people were properly subdued into simply accepting the way they are running the country.
I doubt in the beginning they thought he would get anywhere, then they saw the crowds, the polls, the excitement, how his message was resonating, and they became terrified.
And started to launch their Rovian smear campaigns, send out the operatives. And still they can't stop him.
So it will get worse and the worse they get the more disgusted the people are.
Do they REALLY think that IF their candidate should win the nomination, they can come to US and ask us to FORGET their nasty lying campaigning against a good and decent human being AND his supporters?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

LiberalArkie
(19,865 posts)I think the beekeeper might be getting worried that the bees are going to turn on the keeper. And the keeper might not get the proceeds from the bees anymore.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.
Then Bernie will win.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Voters are stupid.
It is our sacred duty to brainwash them.
George II
(67,782 posts)....endorsements (including from Sanders' own home town), endorsements now from 36 of 42 Democratic Senators, Benghazi behind her, etc.
With "bad" weeks like that, just what would a GOOD week be?
George II
(67,782 posts)...of posting them in order to avoid the inevitable alert and possible hide if I post them entirely on my own.
840high
(17,196 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)nt
George II
(67,782 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I know there is no one running on the Democratic side who has coward in their presence. Can you cite me any examples?
seltzerwater
(53 posts)Why i changed my party so i can vote for Bernie in our democratic primary.
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)Elect Bernie and that Big Club will be closed. End of story.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... You must be confusing the ability to listen with that of the ability to have your staff step in, usher out, then spin.
Man, it's like a laundromat on a Saturday morning, there is so much spin from the HRC "handlers". They have the Reuters, AP and other news outlets prepared to dry, fold and tuck it up our asses every time another event shows who is listening to the American people.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)It is not sarcasm from a Bernie supporter.
398. Hillary is not a weakling like Sanders, Hillary won't take being bullied by Black Matters
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)conservatives. But where was her integrity when Bush/Cheney "talked" her into helping selling the Iraq War. She showed those Iraqi's that she was tough.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Toughness is poplar with most Americans: Hillary vote was on the use of force,
Bush and Cheney chose war. Bill Clinton had the same power and decided against war.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)She is highly respected by the neocons.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24541-focus-why-neocons-love-hillary
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/11/hillary-clinton-neoconservative_n_5578062.html
I agree that lots of Americans put a high value on toughness. Certainly all Republicons.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and knew full well that they would invade. She didn't admit to the "mistake" until many years later when everyone knew it had been a mistake. The neocons are drawn to her for a reason.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Sen Sanders made it clear that he opposed the war and HRC made it clear that she, not only supported Bush's actions, she helped try to convince others. She showed her true colors. The worst political decision in a century and she was on the wrong side. Why not vote for the person that was correct?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)There was not war vote: If that had been a choice the vote
would have been lost. Bill Clinton had the support of congress
with the use of force, he chose not to attack Iraqi.
So we already know where HRC stands, she is very careful
like Bill when it comes to war, but she is no coward.
Also, the Clinton's ran a much more competent administration, not
one American die in Kosvo, and the people have named
streets after Clinton's because of the military campaign
that the Clinton's okay ed.
For me and many American Hillary is just the right balance
when comes national security, and national Defense.
Sander just doesn't have what it takes!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Clinton is a strong woman to be able to "throw out" so many people all by herself!
Handled well, and I applaud the protestors for keeping black issues at the forefront as I did when the same occurred at a Sanders event, and others.....liberals welcome activism for a good cause.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)looks like it
George II
(67,782 posts)Have a great evening!
LET'S GO METS!!!
Laser102
(816 posts)Not dragged from the room. I think it was handled very well.
George II
(67,782 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)But the protesters, themselves, say they were physically pushed out.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)the fact they were removed is ridiculous since she is the one who is speaking about race. I just can't believe this happened. You seem to be condoning removing black people from an event?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Another embarassing over reach and manufactured tale of the evil doing, monster named Clinton
you anti Hillary people are over doing it today
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)sheshe2
(97,892 posts)Hey~
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Sorry if you don't like to be challenged for what you say here.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)this is a very important matter.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)what a buzzkill after such a glorious week.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Semantics.
global1
(26,507 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)backing at least one anti-semitic candidate. Who knows?

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/02/reactionary-democrats-using-anti.html
global1
(26,507 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,540 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)Sorry if that disturbs your preferred narrative.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)As to the rest, what is your problem? Take a bong hit, have a shot of tequila or a glass of wine and put on some relaxing music. You'll feel better.
okasha
(11,573 posts)But it does seem a reasonable conclusion, given that there was no violence.
I remember asking you about your own claims to psychic divination, since you say you know what is said in the private areas of HillarySupporters. Do you have an answer yet?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)the fact that they were removed is disgraceful
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And it appears they were more accepted for their song than rejected.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)The schadenfreude tastes sweet as honey.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)says it all
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)...by invitation only.
sheshe2
(97,892 posts)Cheering The MESSAGE OF BLM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BLM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eridani
(51,907 posts)Say, how's that death penalty advocacy working for the 42% of people on death row who are black?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Why didn't Hillary just ask the police to leave them alone?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)There is nothing Hillary could do that they wouldn't rationalize away.
George II
(67,782 posts)Historic NY
(40,086 posts)too bad they forgot to mention that Congressman Lewis was in the mix along with the mayor and college staff. They were escorted out hold their arms . They made their point but the student audience rejected the intrusion.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)They should have been invited on stage to answer questions to the audience
frylock
(34,825 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...of what happened. Might have helped, huh?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Is that the video, that sadly, the OP didn't see?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Even though it's related news to her campaign.
If I didn't know better, I'd think pandering for votes no longer works!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I think it is disgusting that BLM were removed by police.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are being SLAMMED here on the same forum where we were told that to slam activists was 'racist'. I love it! I knew it, but I love seeing it EXPOSED!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Clinton is supposed to be the Queen. Well she just showed how she is going to lose the confidence of African Americans.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)into a political football.
But yes, exposing hypocrisy is always a good thing.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I guess I see it differently. BLM should have been invited to speak and the image of police escorting them out is not in her interests.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)out. THAT is what actually happened.
The same people applauding this were so very upset that Bernie actually DID allow them to speak. I cannot think of anything I've seen lately that spells 'hypocrisy' more than this.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)it is more than hypocrisy Black people have been supporting her but it does put people off if Black Lives Matter are carted out. It doesn't look good. I don't think people realize the enormity of Hillary's problem here.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)believe they do. One thing this has done is to give people ammunition when they attempt to drag up the NRN protests. I know what I will be doing in response to any attempt to continue to mischaracterize that event. I normally wouldn't engage in their games. But I have come to realize that all these slimy smear campaigns funded by Corporate money MUST be exposed.
When we don't fight them, see the Swift Boat debacle, they gain momentum. They are destroying our political process because their purpose has always been to destroy some of our best candidates.
It's time to take a strong stand against them now, and I see that is happening everywhere thankfully, exposing them for what they are, certainly not any real interest in the topic itself, because we know that is not the case, and this incident has Proven it beyond a doubt.
I don't intend to let them forget that. We can't.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Every day I come to DU, I say, "Hm, wonder what Clinton-bashing/Bernie-worshiping threads I'll see today..."
It's always funny to me to see something like this from a Bernie supporter. National polls aside, On DU, Bernie supporters are in the majority and Hilary supporters in the minority, and most of the Bernie supporters think Bernie walks on water and Hilary is the devil. Meanwhile, most Hilary supporters say things like "I like Bernie, but there are certain things I want in a president I don't think he has, so..." Pretty fair minded, and not at all viewing their candidate as flawless and walking on water.
Which is all to say, I have no idea how a Bernie supporter can say something like "to some people Hilary can do no wrong..." Yes, it's a true statement, but it's a wee-bit of calling the kettle black. Look in the mirror and say those words with "Bernie" instead of Hillary. Are you really sure that Hilary supporters are the ones who are sure their candidate can do no wrong?"
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Bernie lets them speak and he's a coward.
Hillary demands she be allowed to speak, and she's a hero.
It's almost as if this never had anything to do with BLM's cause at all.
No, that can't be it.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)It's patently evident that some people here only care about specific issues because they feel it will help her to get elected. BLM is here to help Hillary's cause, not the other way around.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)her credentials with other sectors of the population. It's just like Sister Soulja. And the Clinton acolytes here facilitate that hypocrisy. I can't say I am surprised. I expected it.
And I don't expect to hear a peep about all her supporters who were shouting them down.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)doubt about that. I knew that because I never saw any of the 'concerned' in any of the Ferguson threads from over a year ago. In fact try as we did we could not get enough interest in those so important protests that people just gave up posting about it here though the protests continued and we had to follow them and support them elsewhere.
I never had a doubt about it. Nor will we ever hear about BLM's cause once the election is over from those same very 'concerned' posters. I am willing to bet on it. Actually I have checked regularly to see if there was any interest at all in the actual ongoing movement which the media no longer covers here, but have nothing, so I continue to go elsewhere to support and follow the activities of the courageous people who are out there still trying to get attention for the ongoing murders by police of minorities in this country.
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)LOL
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)If someone who supports Hillary is "slamming" them send me a PM I'll call them out on it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Well haha, this isn't going away any time soon. She totally alienated them and John Lewis didn't do himself any favors.

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/660199443929526272
The protesters understood exactly what was going on.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)was this from today? who is he mad at?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Hillary used him to dazzle and pacify them, it didn't work.
And other Black leaders were just as appalling, yelling at them that they were "ignorant". It did not go unnoticed. There's a short video at the link

https://twitter.com/Ellevation_/status/660184506142474241

https://twitter.com/little_Goon/status/660201970179928064

https://twitter.com/_CasanovaJr/status/660236171344220161
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)There were also a bunch of people in the audience taking videos of the police dragging out the protesters. Those will be all over the internet tomorrow!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I can't believe this
Motley Crue
(11 posts)as did S. Brown
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The secret service forcibly escorted us out of the arena to cries of "ignorance!" and "nigger!" #Hillary4Who #AUCShutItDown
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Rep. John Lewis, a civil rights icon who had introduced Clinton just minutes before, personally tried to break up the protests, putting his hands on the shoulders of the protesters and speaking with them.
...
"Unfortunately, rhetoric DOES NOT save us, nor does it give confidence to black voters that we can trust Hillary to prioritize the necessity of ensuring our safety," the group said. "We've been waiting for weeks to see the platform that addresses these issues from Hillary Clinton's campaign. We will wait no more."
...
After walking off stage, Clinton was met by LaDavia Drane, her director of African-American outreach.
"It's always an adventure," Clinton proclaimed.
Speaking to CNN after the event, Lewis said he believes the protesters "represent another time, another period."
"It is unfortunate that they didn't listen to the secretary," he added.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter/index.html
Lots of video clips in this link: Rep. John Lewis, Singer Usher and Others Attempt to Push Out Protesters Who Interrupted Hillary Clinton Atlanta Rally
and a tame take from buzzfeed
After acknowledging the protesters (Yes they do, Clinton replied), the Democratic presidential candidate attempted to move on with her speech, increasing her volume as the chants continued.
The Georgia congressman, who led non-violent protests during the fight to end segregation in the 1960s, went into the audience to intervene, trying to get the protesters to allow Clinton to speak.
I just said to them that at some other time we could all sit down and talk, Lewis said in an interview with BuzzFeed News after the event. Just that we shouldnt disturb the speech when she was trying to get a message [across].
When that failed, he and Kasim Reed, the mayor of Atlanta, joined Clinton on stage in a show of solidarity. We thought that would help move things [along], Lewis said.
The students who participated in the demonstration were eventually shouted down by a throng of students who came to hear Clinton, shouting Hil-lar-y! and Let her talk!
...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/rep-john-lewis-black-lives-matter-protesters-should-respect?utm_term=.qxn4R32kY#.klJGzNY5m
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)If not now?
Isn't that an interesting remark?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)and all of a sudden changing their tune once BLM started going after Clinton.
Again, fooling absolutely no one.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Do you remember any of recent these threads? See how BLM was virulently trashed and declared suspect?
Who was trashing BLM and recommending these threads? Arent many of the same people now praising BLM today?
BLM Outliers want to wage war on whiteliberals.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503212
Hillary's buddy Soros funded BLM - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251458059
Ring of Fire Radio: #BlackLivesMatter Leadership Wants Progressives and Bernie Destroyed http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656
"I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae? http://www.democraticunderground.com/100270603
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)like the curdled milk of human kindness...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)to speak for them. A lot of the BLM leaders are active on Twitter, for example, and are worth following. If you follow them, it becomes clear very quickly that many of the people who like to speak for the movement here don't really know much about it at all (and seem to have little interest in what the movement is actually doing and the discussions it's having).
Always go directly to the source and try to avoid the disinformation that gets spread everywhere.
pa28
(6,145 posts)And Bernie had them thrown out on their tails.
What a bunch of hypocrites the supposed BLM supporters on DU are.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)that video would have been all over the
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)enough
(13,766 posts)to say: HERE's WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, here's what I think we should be doing to change this terrible situation. I fear none of the candidates even know what they're hearing when they people come into the space with that song.
That said, there seems to have been some tacit agreement about this event. They were not dragged out, they seemed to have agreed to go.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)the image of them being escorted out if you want to put it mildly is symbolic.
enough
(13,766 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)When they were ordered to leave, by Police with badges & guns, yes .. they 'agreed' to go.
enough
(13,766 posts)There are a lot of different ways to perform protest. To me it looked as if the protesters knew what they were doing and did what they intended.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Rather than signaling police to eject BLM protesters, when they confronted him, on both occasions.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)I don't know who represents BLM best, but I do know that my candidate listened, considered, adapted, and amplified the BLM message. He did it during the debates when without equivocation he proclaimed black lives matter. He does it in every speech that I've seen since.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)it would be nice if they were invited and not hauled off
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Under the bus with BLM!!!
frylock
(34,825 posts)You may be shocked at who the author is, or probably not.
Hillary Handled the Interruption by BLM VERY WELL!!!!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)One of a tiny handful of posters on my ignore list. Imagine if Sanders had had the attacker hauled away. "THIS IS WHY BLACK PEOPLE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BERNIE!!! OMG RACIST!!!"
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)From declared Sanders supporter to supposed O'Malley supporter, to blatant Hillary supporter. All the while proclaiming how much Hillary does with and for black people, and how awful Sanders supporters are.
BLM protesters get shouted down, silenced, condescended to by John Lewis, chivvied out by Secret Service while the crowd shouts nastiness at them, and it's somehow Hillary doing them proud?
The secret service forcibly escorted us out of the arena to cries of "ignorance!" and "nigger!" #Hillary4Who #AUCShutItDown
That is some grade A fantasy spin in that OP.
frylock
(34,825 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)What the fuck?!
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)but Black Lives do matter
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)In the meantime you might check out how strong Hillary's support is in the Black community.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)how she is using
frylock
(34,825 posts)BootinUp
(51,465 posts)what people think.
frylock
(34,825 posts)to some people inasmuch as it helps to get their candidate elected.
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)I will bow down and kiss your feet if the demonstrators come out and say Hillary mistreated them.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Issues are only important in how they effect Hillary.
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)why are you in it?
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's about the hypocrisy of Clinton supporters who were upset by Sanders interactions with BLM. It's about shedding light on how they are using the issues to bolster her candidacy, rather than actually giving a shit about the issues themselves.
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)attempting to spin a story against Hillary Clinton in the hopes that Bernie will look better.
frylock
(34,825 posts)that was legitimate outrage. Yessir.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Internet Warrior ID and rank, please?
polly7
(20,582 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)have corporate biases thanks to their paychecks.
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The protesters who were actually THERE, and doing the protest have already tweeted out what happened to them. There's no need to 'wait and see' what spin corporate-owned media will put on the events when you can already read the raw, unfiltered descriptions (and watch videos) captured by the protesters themselves. They were not impressed with 'black leaders' such as Lewis, they were not happy about SS agents who threatened to 'body slam' them as they were 'respectfully' escorted out, and not thrilled with being told this wasn't the time or place for their protest, and that they were shouted down by the crowd, who called out things like 'ignorant' and 'nigger' at them. (And I'm wondering how they got away with that last one in that crowd. I can only assume it was a black person shouting it.)
BootinUp
(51,465 posts)and I posted those exact words elsewhere last night. You are projecting some other nonsense on me that I never said, so typical in this forum. Thanks.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)'Camp Slytherin' that was brought up the other day is so screamingly apt when looking at this thread, isn't it? Oh the wriggling and squirming...
Uncle Joe
(65,274 posts)Thanks for the thread, Rosa Luxemburg.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)feature. Conservatives love their tough leaders that will take care of them. They won't ever argue her stands because they aren't really sure what her stand is today and it's really not as important as their authoritarian following.
RandySF
(85,093 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)were they terrorists?
RandySF
(85,093 posts)Are you sure Secret Service didn't escort BLM out? I've interacted with SS. They don't mess around.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)so now you are saying BLM are dangerous?
pnwmom
(110,301 posts)ANYONE who isn't authorized a certain distance away from Hillary Clinton.
You sure have a way of twisting things.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)What a leap! Ever seen how fast President Obama's hecklers get escorted out? Even if they are one person and nowhere near the President?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)
Our focus group has come up with the best excuse possible... Whew, dodged a bullet there.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)On John Lewis and Andrew Young standing with a woman who supports the DEATH PENALTY.
Zaid Jilani @ZaidJilani
Black elites side with a candidate who supports executing unarmed people over young people protesting. Same old story
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I'm sure people in Baltimore love to hear the illuminating bit
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)angrychair
(12,360 posts)Lewis.Young. Usher. HRC. Money talks. Poor people walk.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)this is unbelievable!!!!
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Yes so why weren't they allowed to be part of the event? I hate it when people are carted out. It just shows how fake Hillary is regarding Black issues.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)To save all the hypocritical posts or lack of ANY response by the Oh so outraged at Bernie's treatment of BLM. BERNIE never had ANYONE removed from NRN or Seattle, but still received a bunch of hate spewed his way.
Thanks for posting this, Rosa!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)how could Hillary Clinton the darling of Wall Street and Forbes magazine even understand.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)All she's been doing is pandering for votes. I don't believe anything she says. She evolves too much to be authentic.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Nothing will change their minds.
frylock
(34,825 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Today I was dragged out of @HillaryClinton rally by Blck Police in frnt of Blck "Leaders," people clapped & no one intervened. #Hillary4Who
napi21
(45,806 posts)in their BLM opinion, and the protesters left the event on their own, apparently satisfied.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)but the image of them being escorted out! I don't think you get it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I know that you are trying to defend Hillary's campaign but this is a true misstep.
Motley Crue
(11 posts)Nice to know you trust M$M's word over the actual protesters.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Jeez!
frylock
(34,825 posts)The denial throughout this thread is truly astounding.
JoeOtterbein
(7,870 posts)...is to throw them out? Sounds like she thinks they DON'T matter!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)the whole image of them being escorted by police just has set something off
ronnykmarshall
(35,357 posts)Neither did I.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)sheshe2
(97,892 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)he let BLM speak
sheshe2
(97,892 posts)Did anyone post your jury results? Sadly you won.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)sheshe2
(97,892 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)I posted this to see if you had put me on ignore, knowing that you couldn't resist replying if it wasn't the case. Now I will be able to sleep again and stop crying on my pillow!
Response to BeanMusical (Reply #258)
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BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)sheshe2
(97,892 posts)
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Wasn't that Hillary's slogan back in 2008?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:23 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerted on post was clever and humorous, and most of all, a measured response to to the out-of-control Hillary supporter whose obscene "Kiss my ass" taunt was appropriately hidden by jury decision
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. Stop alert stalking Bernie supporters.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF was this alerted? It is a very tame response to the post before that was HIDDEN. These kind of retaliatory alerts are disgusting. Grow up!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)On Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:08 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
"I'm so mean and still I rise"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=748092
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Disruptive flamebaiting and trolling.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:23 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerted on post was clever and humorous, and most of all, a measured response to to the out-of-control Hillary supporter whose obscene "Kiss my ass" taunt was appropriately hidden by jury decision
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. Stop alert stalking Bernie supporters.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF was this alerted? It is a very tame response to the post before that was HIDDEN. These kind of retaliatory alerts are disgusting. Grow up!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)I think that I know who alerted. We had a little disagreement on another thread at the time it was alerted on. Well that poster was claiming that they didn't alert on the OP of the thread we were in. Which I doubt.
Thanks bmus!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)sheshe2
(97,892 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)"rofl:
sheshe2
(97,892 posts)You can't stand the facts.
Sad!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Heeere's Johnny!

sheshe2
(97,892 posts)you are just all over this place answering for everyone.
I find that so cute, you are tonight's spokesperson.
Lol~
Here's Johnny
You can't stand the truth
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)It makes me feel like we are close friends.
ronnykmarshall
(35,357 posts)[url=https://flic.kr/p/z526YA][img]
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Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)sheshe2
(97,892 posts)BootinUp
(51,465 posts)Ok, I double checked you were right.
ronnykmarshall
(35,357 posts)I seen it!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,357 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)That's fucking sad
Unknown Beatle
(2,691 posts)Kick them out does not mean she kicked them.
By remaining silent when they were escorted out means she condoned the actions of the police, which basically means, since it was her event, that she kicked them out by having someone else do it for her.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)they were literally kicked. Brilliant.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Huh.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Juror #7 explains it.
(typed out since I couldn't copy/paste)
"Voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Well maybe we should look at what a member of AA has to say about it. And stop with the White 'splaining and listen to them! Star Member bravenak
"Hillary Handled the Interruption from BLM VERY WELL!!!!
I think that out of all the candidates Hillary had the best response in real time to Black Lives Matter.....Hillary made us proud today!" FYI, they were not thrown out, they were escorted after Hillary let them speak.
Stop making stuff up, it is not helping Bernie at all when you make shit up.
Hide it!"
so, ... there.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I watched the video. They were "escorted out" the same way I've been "escorted out" of sit-in protests. Grabbed and dragged.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I don't know what to make of this Dem primary, or of DU. I've been called "racist" to my face and accused of vicious race hatred (directly in a PM), for NO other reason than that I tend to support Sanders (I also tend to support O'Malley, though have to admit that I know too little of both Sanders and O'Malley, and I'm too far removed).
Perhaps there's truth in the accusations - I'm no saint and my history isn't some glowing example for all w.r.t. any social issue. I learn slowly, very slowly.
Yet even tho' I'm self-critical enough, on some days, to hammer myself for not being aware enough, not caring enough, not doing enough, I don't like to join in when I think someone else is slandering me unfairly.
And slandering the left/progressive political movement. I'm cursed with a memory, so I can remember various OPs which target ALL "Sanders supporters", all "white progressives", etc., for some things shouted by anonymous people at public rallies (not even Sanders' rallies), or some "tweets" by some idiots - tho' I try to keep those memories squelched. OPs and posts generating "hides" which in turn generated a sense of martyrdom - even tho' here, for little reason, was a vote to "hide".
Oh fuck it. Whatever - I know that I tend to be reactionary and I can see how the tit-for-tat throwing out of wild generalized accusations against "candidates" and/or "supporters" is out of hand, and I guess I'm part of it - and I'm tired of it.
I guess I should just stfu and leave DU. Since the place no longer makes sense to me.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)has least worked with black people daily.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Bernie and O'Malley called for more debates, but DWS said no to a BLM debate because Hillary doesn't want more debates.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)If Hillary actually wanted more debates, there would be more debates.
In 2008 after 18 debates, she asked for and got another 8.
But she doesn't want more debates now, so there won't be more debates.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)"I'm open to more debates" = I do not want to debate
jfern
(5,204 posts)Come on, if she actually wanted more debates, she'd get them. DWS wouldn't block there from being more debates if every candidate wanted them. Only on DU does DWS just want there not be more debates regardless of what the all candidates, in particular the one she supports, actually want.
StrongBad
(2,100 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)One was Netroots, the other was a Social Security event.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Your point is always misstated...those two events were not Bernie events.
George II
(67,782 posts)First, they were NOT thrown out at all, so obviously its not true that "Clinton throws out" BLM activists.
Second, she was not "unsuccessful" in silencing the protestors.
There's more than one video of the incident available, why don't people actually find out what happened before they go on with a totally incorrect assessment?
It is just so frustrating to see this fiction being posted as "fact".
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)it is a misstep for Hillary's campaign
George II
(67,782 posts)....the Sanders campaign should have handled a similar situation a couple of months ago.
He lost that day, she won today.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)how is that supportive of Black issues?
George II
(67,782 posts)....trying to make an issue out of it because their candidate failed miserably during a similar incident a couple of months ago.
It doesn't change reality.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)If I were Hillary I would have stopped the police escorting BLM out and invited them to stay. Her message was - don't interrupt my speech.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Please.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's not that hard to do.
George II
(67,782 posts)....I think it's the other way around, the OP should post a link to a video that PROVES the false assertion.
That's the way if works in the real world.
Bottom line, it did NOT happen. Period.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)What? You think the police did that without Hillary's permission? If she wanted them to stay, they would have stayed. She didn't want them to stay, so she had them remove BY THE POLICE. It's all on the video. All you have to do is watch it.
George II
(67,782 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)The POLICE are removing the BLM supporters. Do you honestly believe BLM us not going to be posting about this themselves? Telling the same Truth Rosa has posted in her OP? When they do, you and everyone else defending this are going to look mighty foolish.
George II
(67,782 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Something SHE DIDN'T want them to do? Of course not! She had them removed. The POLICE removed them for her.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That's ok to do now.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)then continue to STFU?
sheshe2
(97,892 posts)It is DU. Facts don't matter.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)from someone who tried to link the son of Jewish refugees to Southern plantation owners and thuggish Chicago cops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I was juror #2

Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)one of the jurors expects everyone to be white on DU? OMG.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)She must have really meant it
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Allowed herself to get pushed off stage like Bernie did? I think not.

Can you imagine ANYONE on earth who could get Hillary Rodham Clinton to cower in the corner? I can't.
ronnykmarshall
(35,357 posts)now don't say that here on BU. You'll get reported!
When's the last time I told you that I love you?
Well ..... any way ... I LOVE YOU!!!
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Fortunately for us, DU will be back to its original program following Super Tuesday.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Good grief.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-event-shut-down-black-lives-matter-activists
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)of the entire interaction. He was clearly out of his element, and had NO CLUE how to handle the situation like an executive leader. If he can't handle something like that, how on earth could he be POTUS? He was uncomfortable and didn't know what to do. Zero leadership.
polly7
(20,582 posts)He gave them the mic, respectfully paid tribute to Michael Brown Jr. and didn't have them physically hauled out, man-handled or shut down. He's interested in their message, listening, learning and hoping to improve the things they're wanting addressed.
Let me guess, leadership to you is something more like this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026158064
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)McCain, Code Pink, I have no idea how any of that is a reflection of HRC's leadership.
polly7
(20,582 posts)He didn't do that. Simple. He let them have their opportunity to speak.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Martin Luther King would have had BLM speak.
polly7
(20,582 posts)That takes kindness, courage and empathy. Some have it, some don't, unfortunately. Apparently, to many, bodily throwing them out shows more 'leadership'. I disagree - I think that shows pure disdain for their message.
"MLK was criticized fiercely for his non violent approach by those who shortsightedly mistook it for weakness. Despite all of the appalling treatment he and others like him received, he conducted himself with the utmost dignity and unwavering humanity."
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)He tried to shake their hand, and they were having none of that. Hundreds if not thousands of people were there to listen to ***him*** in Seattle, and he failed them through lack of leadership.
What would he do if he had to get on stage with someone like Trump or Carson? Run and cower in the corner? I know what Hillary will do. We saw it last week when she proverbially smashed nearly a dozen Republicans like bugs all by her damn self.
polly7
(20,582 posts)You had to post a FAKE photo to make it appear so.
He's not a nutcase like Trump - he has respect for people, and he showed it here, as frustrating as it must have been.
FAKE PHOTO, BULLSHIT LIES about a GOOD MAN.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:26 AM - Edit history (1)
and common sense to let them have a voice. When chronically not given a voice, sometimes the only way to be heard is to disrupt. He's been a politician for a long, long time and has seen this many times while himself fighting for, among many other things, civil rights and protesting against racial discrimination.
He has a LOT of experience with people NEEDING to be heard, dating back decades. I give him credit for letting common sense override the frustration of the event being disrupted.
"While at the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People's Socialist League,[30] the youth affiliate of the Socialist Party of America, and was active in the Civil Rights Movement as a student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.[6][7] In January 1962, Sanders led a rally at the University of Chicago administration building to protest university president George Wells Beadle's segregated campus housing policy. "We feel it is an intolerable situation when Negro and white students of the university cannot live together in university-owned apartments," Sanders said at the protest. Sanders and 32 other students then entered the building and camped outside the president's office, performing the first civil rights sit-in in Chicago history.[31][32] After weeks of sit-ins, Beadle and the university formed a commission to investigate discrimination.[33] Sanders also participated in the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.[34] That summer, he was found guilty of resisting arrest during a demonstration against segregation in Chicago's public schools and was fined $25.[35]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
Shortly after the protest, Sanders released a comprehensive platform on racial justice and introduced Symone Sanders, a young black activist, as his campaigns national press secretary.
So, his tolerance worked, didn't it? As frustrating as it was, some good came of it all.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)in the first place.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)You have to be dreaming if you think Bernie handled that situation well. I wonder if JFK went over and cowered in the corner during a staff meeting in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis?
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm not sure if you realize how ridiculous you look trying so hard.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)the dignity to at least be heard. Bernie Sanders had no warning in advance about this ...... he handled it far, far better than anyone else I can think of. I don't think it's even in his nature to have people shut up and hauled out, he probably didn't even consider such a thing.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Makes perfect sense!
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)I don't doubt that Bernie is a good guy, that's all fine and well. But he didnt handle that situation like an executive leader. As POTUS, you need to be able to handle difficult situations, and Bernie seems unable to do that.
polly7
(20,582 posts)He didn't stand and watch as they were man-handled off and insulted and jeered ............ get over it. You get your jollies off on that - good for you.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)but this is a thread talking about Hillary Clinton's failure with BLM at this specific event. Try to stay on topic.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)he "allowed" them to speak. That's clearly what the video shows.
polly7
(20,582 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Hillary just shot herself in the foot with African Americans, and you are clearly not handling it well.
eridani
(51,907 posts)The members onstage representing the Social Security Works handled it.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)However it was an actual Clinton event that this group of BLM protesters was removed from . Her own speech appearance . But apparently she can't even control her own security .
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)is that Hillary is getting tough on Black people not letting them speak, allowing them to be escorted out by police?
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)It was a rally for....Hillary. She is more than capable of relaying ***her message***, but she isn't going to let her rally get hijacked by anyone. Why? It's called leadership.
I'm fully confident that HRC will make meaningful progress with respect to civil rights and institutional racism. But...she isn't going to get pushed off the stage by anyone in the universe.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)well I think she made a misstep that she will regret
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Maybe not cowering in the corner.... but the Wall Street Banks have her curled up in their pockets...
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)But...that was his general posture for the bulk of the 20 minute video. My ***opinion*** is that Bernie didn't handle himself very well during the ordeal.
polly7
(20,582 posts)You purposefully posted a photo-shopped picture to paint him as a cowering coward?
That should have been hidden ........ pure bullshit post!!!!
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)A jury kept it 1-6.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)pic URL: https //img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1439/15/1439150694561.jpg
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/49412175/
It's the "politics" section of a 4chan-like image board, and the stuff in there ain't pretty.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Some had already done it before me.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)from both factions (I'm a Bernie supporter, but there are some in my camp who take it too far sometimes, imo), but I find a lot of the posts in this thread from Hillary supporters appalling.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)first in my president. I rank integrity higher than toughness. Like being able to tell Bush and Cheney to go to hell when they asked her to help sell their war. But I understand the need of some for having a tough authoritarian leader regardless of how they stand on issues. But it's usually conservatives that prefer authoritarian leaders.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)As a 71 y/o Black woman, this is the first time in my life that I am a one-issue voter, and it has a lot to do with BLM....not Bernie Sander or Hillary Clinton.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Clinton was riding high, but it only takes one misstep and down you go.
I think she is likely to recover, though.
We'll see how she, her team, and the M$M handle this.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)... but lots of support from white Bernie supporters.
Always a bad sign when for politics sake you claim to care/know more about a minority group's rights than members of that minority.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)you must be under an assumption? how do you explain that Bernie supporters are all white - on the internet?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)AOR
(692 posts)of Clinton supporters in the AA group then Steven. No consistency. If Sanders had said that the same people would have been all over him and I have no illusions about Sanders as "savior" of anything. I'm a leftist and have no dog in this hunt, but hypocrisy must be exposed. And speaking of hypocrites... John Lewis is a capitalist sellout and a rank hypocrite and has been for a long time. Opinions vary and that's mine and I'm certainly not alone in saying it. Cheers
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)African Americans should be deferred to when discussing issues of equality regarding African Americans.
They disagree with you and the OP here. Who should we believe regarding issues facing African Americans? African Americans or white Bernie Sanders supporters?
AOR
(692 posts)Leftist politics is about objective reality and the facts on the ground. The subjective opinions of the defenders of capitalism are irrelevant. As a leftist, I put no more stock in what black defenders of capitalist social relations are saying than I put in what the white defenders of capitalist social relations are saying or what any race or creed of defenders of capitalism are saying. When it comes to solutions in regards to Social and Economic justice...what side one stands on - in regards to ruling class/working class and who is doing the talking and why - matters. Who has power and who doesn't matters. Class matters. Mileage may vary depending on what side one stands on.
You really think the subjective opinions of a handful of people in the AA group on Democratic Underground represent the thoughts of what's real and what isn't in every dispossessed AA community in this country. Pretty arrogant outlook if you do.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Straight people don't get to lecture LGBT about LGBT rights.
Men don't get to lecture women about women's rights.
And white Bernie Sanders supporters here don't get to lecture African Americans here about African American rights.
Anything else is B.S.
AOR
(692 posts)the hidden agendas - of bourgeois capitalists of all stripes - wrapped in the veil of identity politics must be exposed. The complicity of those who reside in the Black political and capitalist ruling class will continue to be critiqued by black leftists, white leftists, and leftists of all stripes despite your protestations to the contrary. Nobody is immune when it comes to the destructive nature of capitalist social relations. Very sorry if that offends your subjective illusions of "right or wrong" but class matters in all fights for equality.
I think the bullshit belongs to those who continue to carry on the charade of claiming to be advocates of Social Justice while supporting the capitalist political power structure and the status quo that contributes greatly to inequality and oppression of every kind.
You and others here who try to separate and Social and Economic Justice are also quite clueless. To the capitalist - black or otherwise - Economic Justice means "simply money." To the leftist - black or otherwise - Economic Justice means the working class controlling their own destiny. That means control of the means and distribution of production, resources, and all wealth created by the working class and labor. Only those with hidden agendas - to defend capitalism - think the two are separate. When ANY leftist uses the words Social Justice it is a given that Economic Justice is included. The months of nonsense here - from those trying to separate the two to defend the staus quo - are beyond laughable obfuscation. That is the real steaming bullshit going on Steven and man does it give off a distinct odor that leftists can smell from a mile away.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)shouldn't lecture leftists about leftist issues.
That sounds like a familiar argument. Where have I heard something similar...
AOR
(692 posts)everything is up for criticism including leftism of all stripes. Have at it. Leftists have been pounded upon for ages. The "Red Scare" wasn't just a slogan. It was created by those with hidden agendas and people were destroyed and silenced. Criticism of EVERYTHING is part of the deal or else you can't get to what's real and what isn't in material reality.
YOU do get to lecture everyone else on how they can not have any opinion unless its purely subjective. What gives you the right or knowledge to declare that everyone's subjective truth is the truth.
Your post is divisive and lecturing on how no-one knows what its like to have a problem other than the person directly having that problem and that no one else can either understand or help. My training is in the social sciences which explicitly says the opposite. I deal with people's issues all the time. Sometimes people know what is going on with them, sometimes they are too caught up in it and can not look at any problems objectively. This is actually usually the case when people are feeling pain or oppression. Sometimes we need an outside mirror to actually see what is going on with us.
Subjective feelings can actually lie. Many people have similar issues (and I mean similar not identical). Someone exposed to anti-arab hatred or who has been the victim of a genocide probably has a pretty good idea about any institutional racism even if they are not African American.
As to your divisiveness, you have nothing in common with PoC that I am friends with who do not share your opinion that no one understands what it means to be a human being trying to live a good life. We all have our crosses to bear and an enlightened progressive movement tries to find common ground between people and have them understand each other.
I am older now. My friends, acquaintances and loved ones all have many of the same concerns, that their children get ahead, that we are able to live, that we will not be homeless, that our health holds out, that fascism does not take hold. That we do not continue to have an economy solely based on war. We do not want to be victims of crime. We do not want to be victims of the state. We do not want to run into violent people in the wrong state of mind or wrong place. The race or gender of these friends have nothing to do with it. In addition to common concerns, some of these people have other issues that directly affect them (this is where you come in). Certainly, racism, anti-antisemitism, anti-arab issues are part of the world and affect us differently but we don't pretend that it is a unique experience in the world or history, that no other group has any truth on the subject or that our subjective feelings represent the absolute truth.
People have similar but not identical issues and can discuss each other directly and call each other on our bullshit. That is the progressive version of what humanity should strive for. All you can do is find division and difference and lecture people about how they do not understand the world if they are not one category of people.
frylock
(34,825 posts)but I'm sure posters in the AA group are better qualified to speak to the situation.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Particularly the well off and comfortable ones, they have their finger on the pulse ya know.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)So are you going to throw Bernie under the bus now because you are claiming that is such a horrible thing?
I await your endorsement of Hillary!
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)you used terms that you don't understand about an industry you don't have the foggiest clue about.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)so have not the foggiest clue about how their contracts are written. Thanks for informing me.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This was all about trying to attack me and it has blown up in your face. Because the thing you tried to assert as being terrible, appearing on Fox News, has been done multiple times by the person you support for President.
You look like a fool, and you deserve to look like a fool.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)and my point is that people who read your posts here on DU understand what you do. You see, many DUers avoid Fox News as do I. So, they may not know.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)getting asked back is a bad sign. Anyone that goes on there and really kicks ass is never seen again. So if they like you it means you didn't do so hot.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Like the other poster, you have no point here other than to try to attack me, but the more you attack me, the more it looks hypocritical if your candidate for President does the very thing you are asserting is bad for me to do.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)I almost never watch FOX, so I've never seen you, but if you're a regular commentator that they put up to represent the viewpoint of Democrats, and this is the type of argument you use, then you just made the poster's point.
There is a well-known and deserved bias by Dems against commentators FOX uses to represent the liberal viewpoint. Because of that, I figure that such commentators who appear on FOX must have made a conscious choice to accept the disdain of and dismissal by Dems in exchange for a paycheck/exposure and self-promotion. You sleep in the bed you make.
As to Bernie appearing on FOX: Presidential candidates are newsworthy nationwide. They are supposed to be asked back by FOX simply because of that. Hard-hitting, effective Democratic commentators are not and apparently do not get asked back regularly. HUGE difference between Bernie and you appearing on FOX, HUGE.
coyote
(1,561 posts)Thank you.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)In exchange we'll teach you a thing or two about quantum physics. Like the Heisenberg Candidate paradox and why Quarks are changing flavors all the time. Deal?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Or else you look like an ass. Period.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)You.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)In other words, I'm not. I'm a guest when I appear, just like Bernie Sanders is:
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Inquiring minds would like to know.
frylock
(34,825 posts)angrychair
(12,360 posts)Lewis. Usher. HRC.
Money talks, poor people walk.
AOR
(692 posts)I would expect that those outraged at the happenings at Sanders event would weigh in on this. No consistency and the hypocrisy and silence (except for weak and sarcastic drivel from a few Clinton supporters) is astounding.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-protest-215396
"I appreciate their passion," Clinton said after they were out of the room, "but I'm sorry they didn't listen because some of what they're demanding, I am offering."
You're the one that should be listening and not talking Clinton just like Sanders and you ain't "offering" shit but capitalist lip-service and platitudes.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)that thread is ridiculous on its face. Now we're not suppose to believe our lying eyes?
Sheesh. Hillary supporters (previous Hillary haters) have no shame and lose ALL credibility with this.
When BLM posts about this tomorrow, you're all going to look foolish for defending it.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The differences are significant and that is what African Americans on DU are noting.
The fact that you think you know better than African Americans here about African American equality tells fair minded folks all they need to know.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)minority group regarding their equality issues.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)how condescending is that?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They will literally say anything, won't they?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)If I were Hillary I would have told the police to bring them back
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Too much cognitive dissonance can cause a migraine. After awhile, the brain starts to shut down until all that is left is the stem. Then you become a republican. It's not pretty.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)And Hillary keeps dropping the ball whenever they set it up for her. It's really disturbing to watch.
valerief
(53,235 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)chillfactor
(7,694 posts)were thrown out after a disruption.....when are they ever going to learn they cause more harm then good to their cause?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)but that's not going to help Hillary's campaign?
AOR
(692 posts)I certainly hope so.
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demosincebirth
(12,830 posts)they have their wires crossed.
PatrickforO
(15,472 posts)But I know what I see. When BLM confronted Sanders, he gave them the mic. When they confronted Clinton, they were escorted out.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sanders supporters crapping on BLM all over Twitter for weeks afterwards.
You forgot Sanders supporters crapping on BLM all over the internet for weeks afterwards.
Yes, one knows what one sees indeed.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)To Selma protestors being attacked by dogs?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I received the expected results, on multiple levels.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Catch it!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Disillusioned Padres fan here.
PatrickforO
(15,472 posts)He got huffy. But he didn't have them dragged out. And anyway, I know I'd get huffy if I was at an event where I was speaking and had some demonstrators come disrupt it, and I expect you would too if you're white too, and you're being honest. No doubt there at all. That's because I'm white and can never have the true understanding of or experience of being black.
It is good BLM is bringing this issue to the forefront because cops really have gotten out of control. They are demanding some justice, and they are protesting with the candidates they think might do something about it.
But, bottom line, Clinton handled it no better than Sanders, and the way she handled it makes her look just a tad worse.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The event planners had them removed. And here is something that is a big problem for your attempt at a point.
The event planners were African Americans for Hillary, a group headed by congressman Lewis.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)evolve just like Hillary.
polly7
(20,582 posts)What does it matter who the event planners were?
Should some not be able to try to raise awareness for issues they believe need addressed?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sorry ignored, I can't read what you are saying.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Clinton should have shouted to the police to stop them escorting BLM out and invited them to stay. Hillary's audience acted inappropriately too. The last time she had them ushered into another room where she spoke to them privately. I don't think that Hillary can guarantee that a high percentage of African Americans will come out to vote for her.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)defend her podium and throwing the malcontents out.
There was also some fucking badass nodding by Madame Secretary so awesome that the joy cannot be overcome enough for any discontented.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)expected to pay this over and over and over and over, guess I will add this source to my list of not factural. Can you add the portion where they were thrown out of the meeting, I would love to see that portion, I also did not hear Hillary say Black Lives Matter in the other source I viewed, yes I know this will be the one which creates the cognitive dissonance needed to soothe some. No wonder some people have a hard time when they see truth, this is crap. Also did not hear the chanting for the group to be tazzed. Better luck next time.
demwing
(16,916 posts)
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)@_iAmRoyal: One of Hillary's campaign managers said: "She was nervous to come here anyway, for this exact reason."
#Hillary4Who
Bernblu
(441 posts)Do Black Lives Matter or do Black Lives Not Matter or Do Black Lives Matter only when it's convenient to Hillary and her campaign?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)She 'did them proud', and the BLM folks got to say what they wanted, and even talk to John Lewis!
It's an amazing spin on what actually happened, especially when you see the tweets from some of the actual people involved.
The secret service forcibly escorted us out of the arena to cries of "ignorance!" and "nigger!" #Hillary4Who #AUCShutItDown
Yeah, that's a really pro-BLM crowd. I lost track of some of the others, but they were not thrilled to 'meet and talk to' John Lewis, who was telling them this wasn't the time or place for protests.
youceyec
(394 posts)Simply being rude and disruptive have to do with blm? They are burning too many bridges with these actions. Not doing themselves any favors.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)If I want to hear a protest, I'll go to a protest. If I go to a Rally, I want to hear the main speaker.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)So people shouldn't protest ? or it is the fact they are vocal young black students, standing up for what they believe in, and going against the status quo ?
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joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)Only a few short months ago...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027165
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I was against them interrupting Senator Sanders, and I'm against them interrupting Secretary Clinton. If they want respect, they should treat others with respect.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)sounds like it is working to me.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)This just brought the entire RUSE (and HYPOCRISY) to light! They were just using BLM as a wedge issue. Many Hill supporters couldn't give 2 shits less about BLM.
This has been enlightening! They've been exposed. Sunlight has always been the best disinfectant!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)that should disqualify her from seeking the nod, but shamelessness is a cure-all for her kind.
red dog 1
(33,249 posts)IMO, "Black Lives Matter" are agent provocateurs
If BLM protesters manage to get in to a GOP candidate's speech, they are thrown out the minute they stand up & start shouting "Black lives matter"
polichick
(37,626 posts)We were instructed to chant "Yes we can" when working events for Obama.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)OnlinePoker
(6,137 posts)They came in, were allowed to walk right in front to make their chants, and then were politely escorted back out. They weren't thrown out, they were escorted by two police/security personnel, one in front and one behind, both men black so as not to appear like racist bullying. I think I've become too jaded in my middle years with the BS I see in politics and don't trust any campaign to be on the up and up.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)GOSH. She didn't give a fuck? BROOOOOOO. No WAAAAAAY.
DAYUM.
And she's, like, so FER REAL n shit.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)insight!
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Booooored, now. I don't know what to do about them, so fuck em, I figger. I've been at Discussionist having fairly reasonable conversations with CONSERVATIVES!! It's fricken surreal, they stick to the subject and stuff...
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Same memes recycled everyday. All day, every day is spent trying to trash a great man, while NEVER being able to talk Clinton's issues.
Have fun at the other site.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)seems to resemble some her supporters here at DU, shut them up and kick them out if they don't comply......





