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Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:42 PM Oct 2015

CLINTON Throws Out BLACK LIVES MATTER Activists During Speech On Race

Here is a different perspective: police dragging out Black Lives Matter protesters!


While Clinton spoke at a campaign event at Clark Atlanta University, a group of protesters began marching across the floor, singing and clapping. While the protesters were singing, the pro-Hillary crowd attempted to shout them down, chanting, “Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!” The former Secretary of State tried unsuccessfully to silence the protesters, who say she hasn’t been vocal enough in her opposition to police brutality.

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/clinton-holds-campaign-speech-in-atlanta-to-discuss-race-throws-out-black-lives-matter-activists-video/

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CLINTON Throws Out BLACK LIVES MATTER Activists During Speech On Race (Original Post) Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 OP
Good for her! nt BillZBubb Oct 2015 #1
Interesting. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #2
In fact it reminds me of something Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #3
It reminds me of a completely opposite reaction from another candidate.... George II Oct 2015 #123
Yes, we know.... daleanime Oct 2015 #215
Really? That's your spin?? Hissyspit Oct 2015 #219
+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #222
BLM are the bad guys now, who must be Stood Up To. arcane1 Oct 2015 #225
I am in awe of the creativity. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #230
Well, they did ultimately learn the craft from Murdoch. arcane1 Oct 2015 #233
And Rove, I've noticed a very distinctive odor of Rove in a lot of what we have seen lately. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #336
ikr!...talk about a stretch...just sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #340
Oh yes it does. The contrast is simply stunning. Thank you Bernie! Class Act. Thanks for sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #278
Think the pressure is starting to get to Hillary...she could take lessons from Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #343
Yes, they are very scared. Not so much of Bernie but of how the PEOPLE are reacting to him. They sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #344
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Oct 2015 #358
They SHOULD be scared. VERY scared. I know SO many Bernie supporters who are sick and tired of the sleazy tactics of Hillary's operatives. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #387
They SHOULD be scared...VERY scared. I know SO many Bernie supporters who are sick and tired of the sleazy tactics of Hillary's operatives. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #388
Since it was pointed out to me that we are like bees to the keeper of the hive. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #399
Exactly! The worker bees are in revolt! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #402
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #413
Translation: okasha Oct 2015 #427
Bad week indeed - up to 56% in the national poll, up 30-40 in manyh state polls, dozens of Mayoral.. George II Oct 2015 #373
Would you like to see REAL photographs showing the "contrast"? I'm asking this in advance... George II Oct 2015 #415
Sure - lol 840high Oct 2015 #308
Which republican candidate was that? notadmblnd Oct 2015 #378
You know which candidate it was, and you're the one calling him a republican. George II Oct 2015 #379
I'm not aware of any Presidential candidate cowering in the presence of BLM notadmblnd Oct 2015 #383
WOW, ...and that is exactly seltzerwater Oct 2015 #380
Exactly. I want to prove George Carlin wrong that the "Big Club" is here to stay. Duckfan Oct 2015 #411
I think you have "deer in the headlights" confused.... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #382
Do you happen to remember an incident before the one you're attempting to reference? (nt) a2liberal Oct 2015 #401
Hillary is not a weakling like Sanders, Hillary won't take being bullied by Black Matters lewebley3 Oct 2015 #398
Let the record show that this is an actual Hillary supporter having said that. cui bono Oct 2015 #419
I think integrity is a more important quality than toughness that is popular with rhett o rick Oct 2015 #422
Hillary has integrity and toughness, that is why she is so respected lewebley3 Nov 2015 #435
She knew what Cheney would do when she advocated for and voted for the authorization. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #436
Hillary had no association with Cheney: Far from it: Hillary is an was adversary lewebley3 Nov 2015 #439
She gave him the authority to kill Iraqis for oil. She knew who was running things rhett o rick Nov 2015 #440
Bush is responsible for the Killing Iraqis: He said so!: It was his choice lewebley3 Nov 2015 #441
It appears that rationalization is the key to happiness. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #442
Just fact: Bush was commander and Chief: Sanders vote meant nothing lewebley3 Nov 2015 #443
This is a very important issue. It speaks to integrity. Regardless if the votes counted, rhett o rick Nov 2015 #444
Sanders would never vote for war: HRC voted for the use of force lewebley3 Nov 2015 #445
Videos show no such thing. Article mentions nothing about "dragging" and none shown.....so..... Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #4
well Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #5
Yes, to someone who WANTS it to look that way, but that isn't the way it was. George II Oct 2015 #147
What I saw and heard was the audience chanting let her talk. The protesters were escorted, Laser102 Oct 2015 #395
Can you post the video or the picture that "looks like it"? George II Oct 2015 #414
The op says nothing about dragging. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #8
I saw the same video, they were escorted out with no violence...semantics again. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #9
violence? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #16
Now you are reaching for some bait. My work here is done. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #26
Really? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #31
Yes really Sheepshank Oct 2015 #207
Only today? BootinUp Oct 2015 #217
Yikes????!!!!!! Lol~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #280
Sounded like a question to me, Fred... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #48
You complain about semantics yet pretend they used the word "violence"? arcane1 Oct 2015 #59
Obviously you are not serious Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #78
In fairness, that poster can be difficult to take seriously. arcane1 Oct 2015 #84
This event today is utterly destroying so many bullcrap talking points.. frylock Oct 2015 #92
Yes, semantics, Like Sanders telling Hillary to stop shouting. frylock Oct 2015 #90
Hillary Is Anti-Semantics....nt global1 Oct 2015 #154
She is backed by Emily's List which is known for JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #334
It's A Joke Man - Semantics..... nt global1 Oct 2015 #356
I know. I couldn't resist bring that up. 'night n/t JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #357
You need to build up your ability to resist. HubertHeaver Oct 2015 #361
Why are you adding "no violence"? cui bono Oct 2015 #423
Because there wasn't any. okasha Oct 2015 #426
You don't know that is why that poster brought it up. Are you psychic? A sock? cui bono Oct 2015 #430
Indeed, I don't pretend to read anyone's mind. okasha Nov 2015 #431
so? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #12
Well, they would have been offered front row seats but they were taken. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #14
OMG Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #32
Nothing says "acceptance" like chanting "Let her talk" and then cheering when they're removed. arcane1 Oct 2015 #88
I think I need a shot of Victory Gin. frylock Oct 2015 #94
And I'll have a double karma neat, water back. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #218
Clinton supporters cheering as Black Lives Matter are removed Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #112
It's a celebration of diversity in opinions... Fairgo Oct 2015 #135
Clinton Supporters sheshe2 Oct 2015 #313
And cheering when they were removed. eridani Oct 2015 #362
They would have? frylock Oct 2015 #97
Shhhhh....don't confuse him! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #106
I can't even wrap my mind around that claim. frylock Oct 2015 #114
The videos show otherwise. George II Oct 2015 #145
They have to dramatize it..... Historic NY Oct 2015 #10
Two sides to every story......but one side does not want to hear any but one side and one song. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #30
Blatantly obvious that they weren't wanted Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #41
Fred that's big of you to admit one of your biggest your flaws. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #385
Well isn't that interesting Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #36
Well, Having Congressman Lewis in the mix while they were escorted out must've lent some comfort. frylock Oct 2015 #102
It's amazing the fiction you find on the "internets", isn't it? Sadly the OP didn't see the videos.. George II Oct 2015 #126
Sadly, you didn't post these alleged videos. Why not? arcane1 Oct 2015 #136
I saw the video as they were escorted out with a man yelling "you're ignorant","you're ignorant" virtualobserver Oct 2015 #186
"Clinton enthusiest calls BLM "ignorant" will not appear as an OP in the HRC group. arcane1 Oct 2015 #196
Now we are seeing the hypoicrisy so clearly. I'm enjoying watching it here actually. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6
If this had been a Bernie event it would have been headlines Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #7
It was disgusting. But that's what I meant, the hypocrisy here is simply stunning! Those activists sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #11
It should be exposed Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #13
Oh it is. They are doing it themselves. Sadly though, they continue to turn a very serious issue sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #19
However Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #28
Well, she had an opportunity to invite them to accompany her on the stage. Instead they were thrown sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #35
Yes for someone who boasts of this Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #58
Hillary can do no wrong to a few people here. But they speak for no one though they appear to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #75
And Hilary can do no right to almost everyone else here. Moonwalk Oct 2015 #418
She even pulled the "If you would let me talk..." business, and was praised here for it. arcane1 Oct 2015 #67
You can feel the fakeness Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #100
Only because it never had anything to do with BLM's cause at all. frylock Oct 2015 #119
BLM is being used by the Clinton campaign to solidify bbgrunt Oct 2015 #142
Well, it never did have anything to do with BLM's cause at all. I don't think there ever was any sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #341
They got Profiled!! pocoloco Oct 2015 #170
Who is slamming them? Agschmid Oct 2015 #18
Unbelievable, isn't it? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #34
Yup... hours later and crickets. Agschmid Oct 2015 #330
Maybe she's too busy replying to meaningful posts? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #349
According to tweets I followed, most of them didn't even make it in. Catherina Oct 2015 #29
man he looks pissed! wendylaroux Oct 2015 #44
Yes, from today. Mad at the protesters for daring to interrupt Catherina Oct 2015 #173
Wow. Those Tweets are very telling! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #209
Wow, watch the film at the link! That's gonna leave a mark! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #234
John Lewis in what century do you propose that Black lives matter? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #60
That's why John Lewis sold out. Motley Crue Oct 2015 #74
That's precisely what the protesters are asking. They've very disappointed in him Catherina Oct 2015 #180
The one I found even more jawdropping Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #377
I really can't wrap my head around him saying this...nt dorkzilla Oct 2015 #99
You're not the only one Catherina Oct 2015 #289
What time? What period? in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #111
Seems to have forgotten all about the fierce urgency of now n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #235
Incredibly condescending and disappointing. frylock Oct 2015 #122
The whole thing, incredibly so Catherina Oct 2015 #193
And the hypocrisy in certain people declaring BLM "suspect" and peddling conspiracy theories NuclearDem Oct 2015 #23
Just shows how fake Hillary's campaign is Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #64
Shows how fake this post is, is this the best? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #323
I think you missed NuclearDem's point. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #429
+1 Although I really don't enjoy it at all. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #69
It is a sight to behold. frylock Oct 2015 #104
it has a slightly sour odor Fairgo Oct 2015 #131
That's a very descriptive, accurate way of putting it. Stinks to high heaven also comes to mind. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #335
Why I tell people to see what BLM leaders are saying and not listen to the people here who pretend Chathamization Oct 2015 #257
+1 L0oniX Oct 2015 #409
Imagine the towering outrage on DU if Bernie supporters had chanted over BLM. pa28 Oct 2015 #15
Well exactly that video would have been relayed all over the New York Times, CNN etc Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #20
Interesting to note that the NYT still has no story on the event n/t JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #337
That powerful anthem, Hell you talmbout, is such a beautiful invitation to anyone on the podium enough Oct 2015 #17
Even so Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #25
Absolutely. (nt) enough Oct 2015 #52
They "agreed" to go? 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #37
As opposed to deliberately entering into a physical confrontation. enough Oct 2015 #51
I'm proud of my candidate -- Bernie Sanders -- who simply gave BLM his mic and let them speak 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #63
And then after thoughtful consideration made the cause a major plank in his campaign. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #351
Yes indeed. All that too, and "without equivocation". Well stated Mr. Suspicious. -nt- 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #353
so Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #65
I'm sure that Freddie Gray agreed to go Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #62
I'll wait to hear how this was much better than how Sanders handled it Doctor_J Oct 2015 #21
Here you go.. frylock Oct 2015 #132
unbelievable. But not. Doctor_J Oct 2015 #161
Quite the flip flop. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #384
Fucking phonies gonna fucking phony. frylock Oct 2015 #393
Wait. What? bunnies Oct 2015 #410
This thread stinks. nt BootinUp Oct 2015 #22
I knew you wouldn't like it Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #40
The reports on the event are still in flux. Lets wait and see. BootinUp Oct 2015 #43
People will see though her Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #66
It's all about the polls, amirite? frylock Oct 2015 #148
Sometimes the polls actually tell us BootinUp Oct 2015 #153
And sometimes events like this help shed light on how issues are only important.. frylock Oct 2015 #159
Let me express my true thoughts on this event BootinUp Oct 2015 #168
Proving my point. frylock Oct 2015 #237
Chrisakes, what is this fucking thread about BootinUp Oct 2015 #240
The fuck you think it's about? frylock Oct 2015 #255
No. I think its about a bunch of internet warriors BootinUp Oct 2015 #269
Right, unlike the events at NRN and Seattle.. frylock Oct 2015 #273
What's your Internet Warrior™ ID and rank? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #333
+1,000,000 nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #328
I'll believe the tweets from the actual protesters, thanks, not the reports from reporters who Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #386
Confused because it made no sense for you to direct that at me. BootinUp Oct 2015 #390
Makes sense to me. You said 'let's wait and see' and suggested we wait for more media reports. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #391
I actually meant we should hear what the protesters had to say BootinUp Oct 2015 #394
The Moniker Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #403
There were probably expecting something like this, there was a nice little fence around Hillary. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #24
The obvious hypocracy won't even register. Clinton is tough and that's the most important rhett o rick Oct 2015 #376
Are you sure it wasn't the Secret Service? RandySF Oct 2015 #27
Did you really say that? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #42
No, let me clarify RandySF Oct 2015 #47
seriously Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #86
RandySF said nothing of the kind. The Secret Service is charged with keeping pnwmom Oct 2015 #110
What? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #165
Yureka! NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #105
Excellent Zaid Jilani Tweet in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #33
Nonsense...but this thread has been illuminating. Lewis is a "black elite"? Thanks for the laugh! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #38
I'm sure Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #46
Read it for yourself...link scroll down for the tweets. THAT'S what's illuminating! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #55
No surprise angrychair Oct 2015 #195
Where have we heard words about Lewis like that before? Spoken like a true Republican. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #374
Shame on them wendylaroux Oct 2015 #39
No such thing...this is not true and if you can watch the video of the speech. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #45
? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #50
Bookmarked! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #49
I hope that people will see though Hillary's fakeness on Black issues Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #53
Me too. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #56
I hate it when politician use people Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #68
Exactly. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #73
There are none so blind as who will not see... dorkzilla Oct 2015 #113
People who aren't on DU see through it. frylock Oct 2015 #251
I hope so, too. 840high Oct 2015 #314
Shame Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #54
Not true. I just saw the videos on MSNBC and Hillary let them speak, joined them napi21 Oct 2015 #57
Nice try Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #70
But, but it is about the "image"!?.....?....? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #71
Of course Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #76
You saw what M$M wants you to see. Motley Crue Oct 2015 #79
There's VIDEO at the OP's link of them being escorted out while the crowd cheers arcane1 Oct 2015 #82
Nevermind tweets from the protesters stating otherwise. frylock Oct 2015 #261
So the way to show your support for BLM... JoeOtterbein Oct 2015 #61
It certainly gives the wrong message to Black people Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #72
Did you see the part when she kicked them? ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #77
You are doing Hillary no favors Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #80
You are doing Bernie no favors. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #87
At least Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #91
You Op is not truthful, yet you know that. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #115
So you alerted on this? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #220
No. I was on JURY!!!!!! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #249
Thank you! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #258
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #264
You're so mean!!! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #272
And sheshe2 Oct 2015 #283
"I'm so mean and still I rise" BeanMusical Oct 2015 #297
Good one, and you won big with the jury! Divernan Oct 2015 #366
Thanks, Divernan! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #405
Jury results: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #367
Lol, 1-6 to LEAVE IT. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #406
Which parts are not true? arcane1 Oct 2015 #228
This part~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #268
From the poster who called Hillary "Morally corrupt"? arcane1 Oct 2015 #299
Throw the baby out with the bath water. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #303
"You can't stand the facts." BeanMusical Oct 2015 #310
Well Bean.... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #326
I like it when you call me Bean. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #329
Thanks for your concern ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #95
you're welcome Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #103
Nor did I ronny! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #85
Wait a minute!!! BootinUp Oct 2015 #89
There was also a steam roller!!! ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #98
I'm sure that Black Lives Matter will be mortified when they hear that Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #108
Oh ok. ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #137
You're going to pretend people are claiming she literally "kicked" them? arcane1 Oct 2015 #96
Really? Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #150
Lol, now that is funny. You interpret the OP as saying that Vattel Oct 2015 #298
I suppose all the tweets from people who were there are just "third way brogressive" lies? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #81
post #121, jury results delrem Oct 2015 #305
So there, what? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #347
So, the vote was to hide the OP. delrem Oct 2015 #354
Martin O'Malley looks better everyday, I'm still with Bernie, but O'Malley JRLeft Oct 2015 #83
as the Mayor of Baltimore and Gov. Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #93
And she's blocking there from being a BLM debate jfern Oct 2015 #101
For like the third time tonight... Agschmid Oct 2015 #116
Unlike the other campaigns she never called for more debates jfern Oct 2015 #117
Only on DU... Agschmid Oct 2015 #118
It's the good cop bad cop routine jfern Oct 2015 #124
Good. Hillary can defend a podium unlike others. StrongBad Oct 2015 #107
The 2 events where Bernie was protested weren't his event, so he wasn't in control there. jfern Oct 2015 #109
Absolutely correct. SoapBox Oct 2015 #127
How can something SO FALSE be posted here as "fact"? George II Oct 2015 #120
Here we go Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #125
Nope, it isn't a misstep for the Clinton campaign - it was handled perfectly, exactly the way... George II Oct 2015 #139
the police escorted BLM out and Hillary didn't ask them to come back Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #179
Now you're changing the subject....Clinton handled the situation perfectly and some are.... George II Oct 2015 #185
handled? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #198
Perfect is weirdly bobbing the head behind a barricade while the cops throw them out? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #309
Then post a link to this video that disproves the videos posted in the OP's link. arcane1 Oct 2015 #130
Sorry, the OP says "CLINTON Throws Out BLACK LIVES MATTER Activists".... George II Oct 2015 #152
Plain as the nose on your face - the police are removing BLM protesters from Hillary's speech venue. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #134
I saw the video, actually TWO videos....neither showed what you're saying. George II Oct 2015 #143
Then you OBVIOUSLY didn't watch the video at the link Rosa posted. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #151
Then why did the OP say that CLINTON (capital letters) throw them out if she didn't? George II Oct 2015 #155
If CLINTON wanted them to stay, they would have stayed. You think the police are going to do in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #160
While the crowd chanted and cheered at their ejection. arcane1 Oct 2015 #149
Exactly! Aren't they suppose to sit down, stfu, keep their mouths shut, listen and in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #158
"How can something SO FALSE be posted here as "fact"?" sheshe2 Oct 2015 #290
LOL-- that's pretty funny, coming, as it is, Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #345
Jury results pinebox Oct 2015 #121
so Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #128
At least she seem's to be staying on message this time .... TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #129
What should Hillary have done? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #133
shhhhh ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #141
Thanks. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #183
He wasn't cowering! polly7 Oct 2015 #144
Whatever, dude. There is a twenty minute video... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #162
OFFS. polly7 Oct 2015 #175
I don't even understand what you are trying to say. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #178
Having people dragged out. polly7 Oct 2015 #181
Yes Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #194
Yes, he would have. polly7 Oct 2015 #211
No, BLM took Bernie's opportunity to speak while he cowered. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #197
Nah ............ he didn't cower. polly7 Oct 2015 #202
Yeah, he looks real Presidential. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #208
He looks like a man not willing to hurt people and who has the patience, experience polly7 Oct 2015 #213
He had other options, like you know, not putting himself or his supporters into a position like that Kang Colby Oct 2015 #223
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #224
Makes sense now. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #226
LOL. 'A staff meeting' in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis. polly7 Oct 2015 #239
They play the role they are here to play n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #245
A bit sad for this one ...... seems to think some people aren't worth polly7 Oct 2015 #260
Probably not as ridiculous as Bernie looked when BLM pushed him aside. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #247
Bernie is the bad guy for giving BLM the mic. Hillary is the good guy for denying them the mic. arcane1 Oct 2015 #253
It's not about good or bad...it's a matter of leadership. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #267
Oh too bad!!! polly7 Oct 2015 #266
We've already had the Bernie threads. We've hashed those out for months. You might have missed it, Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #352
Sure... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #214
Ick. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #221
you must be shitting bricks right now demwing Oct 2015 #342
It was not his goddam fucking situation to handle eridani Oct 2015 #363
Exactly ... TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #425
so what you are saying Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #157
Nope. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #171
leadership? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #182
Photoshopped version, never happened... raindaddy Oct 2015 #172
Of course it's photoshopped. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #188
Are you fucking kidding me?? polly7 Oct 2015 #191
That's like your opinion, man. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #203
That's like, the TRUTH, man. lmfao. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #206
WTF photoshopped photo azmom Oct 2015 #227
Why are you posting a fake photo? Why not let the truth prove your point? n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #184
It's a rediculous photo... Agschmid Oct 2015 #201
the URL for the image will take you here: aidbo Oct 2015 #252
Were you on the jury? Love to see the comments. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #421
No I alerted. Agschmid Oct 2015 #424
I can usually tolerate a lot of bullshit on DU deutsey Oct 2015 #417
Ah yes we keep hearing just how tough HRC is. Too bad that isn't the quality that I put rhett o rick Oct 2015 #420
Good 'photo shop' of Bernie cowering on the corner. Stellar Nov 2015 #434
That's not good. blackspade Oct 2015 #138
Interesting. I see no support for your position from the regulars in the African American group... stevenleser Oct 2015 #140
do you? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #163
Here you go... stevenleser Oct 2015 #166
Thanks Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #190
Pretty much shows the hypocrisy and hidden agendas... AOR Oct 2015 #199
It shows the reverse actually. Like all minorities and discriminated against groups... stevenleser Oct 2015 #210
Believe whatever you want... AOR Oct 2015 #243
I already told you the right thing to believe. You believe the minority about their equality issues. stevenleser Oct 2015 #250
You've lost your way Steven and are swimming in a sea of delusion... AOR Oct 2015 #324
So what you are saying is, someone you don't consider to be a leftist stevenleser Oct 2015 #327
Nah...I never said a word about lecturing anyone or anything... AOR Oct 2015 #332
But Rilgin Oct 2015 #371
They also seem to disagree with the protesters themselves.. frylock Oct 2015 #275
The folks he agrees with must be deferred to not just any old black folks TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #316
a non-journalist, fox news contributor. Kip Humphrey Oct 2015 #232
I'm not a fox news contributor. Talk about things you know about, whatever those things are. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #236
Sorry to hear you are no longer... CORRECTION: a former non-journalist Fox News contributor Kip Humphrey Oct 2015 #242
Nope. Just like Bernie Sanders, I was never a Fox News contributor. I am a guest. stevenleser Oct 2015 #246
I avoid Fox so pardon me my ignorance, non-journalist Fox News "Guest" commentator. Kip Humphrey Oct 2015 #254
Has nothing to do with Fox. Has to do with media terms. You were so intent on attacking me stevenleser Oct 2015 #256
apparently you think my advertising what you do is an attack. And, yes I avoid Fox Kip Humphrey Oct 2015 #263
Well, if Bernie is your candidate, shouldn't you be advertising him on Fox News? stevenleser Oct 2015 #271
Bernie is a Senator running for president; you are a... blogger. Kip Humphrey Oct 2015 #277
And we're both occasional guests on Fox News and other networks. You have no point. stevenleser Oct 2015 #279
I have a point... You are a non-journalist "Fox News "Guest" commentator, Kip Humphrey Oct 2015 #304
LOL, I am happy for folks to read this subthread and see what you are about. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #307
When you go on Fox as a 'Democratic strategist' melman Oct 2015 #282
And Bernie is invited on as a Democratic candidate for President. And he gets asked back. stevenleser Oct 2015 #284
You just made the poster's point for me JimDandy Oct 2015 #392
Funny how the blatant truth can make you laugh. coyote Oct 2015 #364
Well, could you enlighten us, poor peons, about that mysterious industry that you are "part of"? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #294
Not my job. If you attack someone, you better understand the words you are using. stevenleser Oct 2015 #296
So the poster you were replying to is an ass? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #301
So you are acknowledging they tried to attack me without understanding the words they were using? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #311
So you wanna play "I know you are but what am I"? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #319
Mirror. polly7 Oct 2015 #302
Short and to the point! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #321
Thank ya! polly7 Oct 2015 #322
Just like "Journalist"... arcane1 Oct 2015 #259
"Credibilty gaps, gullibility fills" arcane1 Oct 2015 #248
I'm as much a "fox news contributor" as Bernie Sanders is... stevenleser Oct 2015 #241
Do guest get paid to appear on Fox "news"? wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #369
We're all stunned to learn that, Steven. frylock Oct 2015 #270
Easy to understand angrychair Oct 2015 #146
Lots of crickets on this story so far from the outraged Sanders is not listening contingent... AOR Oct 2015 #156
Zero crickets. There is a whole other thread including this post by one of the hosts of the AA group stevenleser Oct 2015 #164
The only thing is, the video shows BLM being removed by the POLICE. So, in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #174
People around here are shocked Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #192
After they got to speak and were acknowledged. And Hillary did not get all huffy like Bernie did. stevenleser Oct 2015 #212
And I will never be embarrassed for sticking up for a minority group and the opinions of that stevenleser Oct 2015 #216
But "journalist!!" arcane1 Oct 2015 #231
Appreciate their passion Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #167
+1 dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #360
so I'm reading that the hillarians would like Bernie better if he'd had the protesters hauled away Doctor_J Oct 2015 #169
they are all over the place Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #176
OR....DEFEND HIS PODIUM BETTER! LIKE HILLARY DID! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #177
I'm sure that Obama would not let the police escort BLM out Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #187
Very doubtful! He would have let them speak and probably invite them onto the stage. n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #200
Yes Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #204
I hope that poster is OK Fairgo Oct 2015 #346
LOL! in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #437
They threw BLM under the BACK of the bus n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #189
They've been using BLM from the start Hydra Oct 2015 #331
I'm very disappointed. nt valerief Oct 2015 #205
Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #229
about time those idiots... chillfactor Oct 2015 #238
Your opinion Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #244
Is that satire or sarcasm ? AOR Oct 2015 #265
And the results are in! Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #286
They should disrupt the speeches of the jerks who really want to shit over them. I think demosincebirth Oct 2015 #262
Lots of sniping going on between the supporters of Clinton and Sanders on this thread. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #274
You forgot Sanders' huffy tantrum. You forgot Sanders supporters angry treatment of BLM. You forgot stevenleser Oct 2015 #276
Sanders huffy tantrum is is a figment of a fevered imagination. frylock Oct 2015 #281
Sort of like the imagination which compares what happened tonight... Agschmid Oct 2015 #285
What? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #287
I knew what I was doing when I posted that. frylock Oct 2015 #291
Fevered indeed. Agschmid Oct 2015 #292
Baseball fever.. frylock Oct 2015 #295
Go Mets. Agschmid Oct 2015 #317
I could go either way. Just want to see 7 games. frylock Oct 2015 #325
Sanders didn't have the cops drag them out. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #288
Hillary didn't have them removed either. And she handled it much better than Bernie did. stevenleser Oct 2015 #293
Is she still unfit to be president? arcane1 Oct 2015 #306
Some Hillary supporters wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #370
So? polly7 Oct 2015 #312
This post just kicked up to the top of my "My Posts" list, so someone on my ignore list responded. stevenleser Oct 2015 #315
LOL! nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #318
Right Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #300
The Clinton supporters are too busy slapping each other on the back and cheering her TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #339
Where did the police escort the protesters out, if the source of this was Breibart it would be Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #320
There she goes again demwing Oct 2015 #338
Smh Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #348
So Hillary supporters Bernblu Oct 2015 #350
According to some on here, this was a magnificent win for Hillary! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #381
what does youceyec Oct 2015 #355
Clinton didn't throw them out, but I wish someone would. I'd ban them from all future events. Lil Missy Oct 2015 #359
Ban Protesters How ? its not like BLM announces where they are going to be Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #404
Jury results, post #264 Lancero Oct 2015 #365
So now DU supports BLM's right to protest? joshcryer Oct 2015 #368
Amazing transformation, no? Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #389
I'm glad they were escorted out. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #372
it is getting their attention,is it not? wendylaroux Oct 2015 #375
And Bernie lets BLM speak. He has always been a champion of equality! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #396
Exactly! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #400
she must be one of those thirdway progressive racists I've been reading about stupidicus Oct 2015 #397
Good for her! red dog 1 Oct 2015 #407
So the campaign volunteers were instructed to chant "Hillary" during a disturbance... polichick Oct 2015 #408
"say her name" seems to be taking on a rather new meaning ... MisterP Oct 2015 #412
The cynic in me thinks this whole "protest" was staged OnlinePoker Oct 2015 #416
Well THERE'S the world's biggest, fattest fucking surprise. sibelian Oct 2015 #428
LOL! Where on earth have you been? Missed your input and in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #438
Dude, I just got SICK O THE SHIT sibelian Nov 2015 #447
I hear ya! They get old, fast! in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #448
What goes around, comes around. n/t brentspeak Nov 2015 #432
Well this seems to have struck a nerve? Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #433
The Hillary camp UglyGreed Nov 2015 #446

George II

(67,782 posts)
123. It reminds me of a completely opposite reaction from another candidate....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:14 PM
Oct 2015

....the "deer in the headlights" vision of him cowering in the face of a similar incident a couple of months ago.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
215. Yes, we know....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:22 PM
Oct 2015

listening is 'now' a weakness. That is until it needs to be something else. Have a lovely evening.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
225. BLM are the bad guys now, who must be Stood Up To.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:30 PM
Oct 2015

I too have been struggling to keep up.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
336. And Rove, I've noticed a very distinctive odor of Rove in a lot of what we have seen lately.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:13 AM
Oct 2015

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
278. Oh yes it does. The contrast is simply stunning. Thank you Bernie! Class Act. Thanks for
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:15 AM
Oct 2015

the reminder. I am so proud of my candidate tonght after watching this display of authoritarianism. Hillary's is having a very bad week I'm afraid.

Bernie shines by comparison.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,518 posts)
343. Think the pressure is starting to get to Hillary...she could take lessons from Bernie.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:33 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
344. Yes, they are very scared. Not so much of Bernie but of how the PEOPLE are reacting to him. They
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:38 AM
Oct 2015

thought they had it all wrapped up, the Corporatists that the people were properly subdued into simply accepting the way they are running the country.

I doubt in the beginning they thought he would get anywhere, then they saw the crowds, the polls, the excitement, how his message was resonating, and they became terrified.

And started to launch their Rovian smear campaigns, send out the operatives. And still they can't stop him.

So it will get worse and the worse they get the more disgusted the people are.

Do they REALLY think that IF their candidate should win the nomination, they can come to US and ask us to FORGET their nasty lying campaigning against a good and decent human being AND his supporters?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,518 posts)
387. They SHOULD be scared. VERY scared. I know SO many Bernie supporters who are sick and tired of the sleazy tactics of Hillary's operatives.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,518 posts)
388. They SHOULD be scared...VERY scared. I know SO many Bernie supporters who are sick and tired of the sleazy tactics of Hillary's operatives.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

LiberalArkie

(19,865 posts)
399. Since it was pointed out to me that we are like bees to the keeper of the hive.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:58 PM
Oct 2015

I think the beekeeper might be getting worried that the bees are going to turn on the keeper. And the keeper might not get the proceeds from the bees anymore.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
413. Like I have said before.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:37 PM
Oct 2015

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

George II

(67,782 posts)
373. Bad week indeed - up to 56% in the national poll, up 30-40 in manyh state polls, dozens of Mayoral..
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:49 AM
Oct 2015

....endorsements (including from Sanders' own home town), endorsements now from 36 of 42 Democratic Senators, Benghazi behind her, etc.

With "bad" weeks like that, just what would a GOOD week be?

George II

(67,782 posts)
415. Would you like to see REAL photographs showing the "contrast"? I'm asking this in advance...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:49 PM
Oct 2015

...of posting them in order to avoid the inevitable alert and possible hide if I post them entirely on my own.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
383. I'm not aware of any Presidential candidate cowering in the presence of BLM
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:39 AM
Oct 2015

I know there is no one running on the Democratic side who has coward in their presence. Can you cite me any examples?

seltzerwater

(53 posts)
380. WOW, ...and that is exactly
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:25 AM
Oct 2015

Why i changed my party so i can vote for Bernie in our democratic primary.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
411. Exactly. I want to prove George Carlin wrong that the "Big Club" is here to stay.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:07 PM
Oct 2015

Elect Bernie and that Big Club will be closed. End of story.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
382. I think you have "deer in the headlights" confused....
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:31 AM
Oct 2015

... You must be confusing the ability to listen with that of the ability to have your staff step in, usher out, then spin.

Man, it's like a laundromat on a Saturday morning, there is so much spin from the HRC "handlers". They have the Reuters, AP and other news outlets prepared to dry, fold and tuck it up our asses every time another event shows who is listening to the American people.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
401. Do you happen to remember an incident before the one you're attempting to reference? (nt)
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
398. Hillary is not a weakling like Sanders, Hillary won't take being bullied by Black Matters
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
419. Let the record show that this is an actual Hillary supporter having said that.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:45 PM
Oct 2015

It is not sarcasm from a Bernie supporter.

lewebley3
398. Hillary is not a weakling like Sanders, Hillary won't take being bullied by Black Matters

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
422. I think integrity is a more important quality than toughness that is popular with
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:10 PM
Oct 2015

conservatives. But where was her integrity when Bush/Cheney "talked" her into helping selling the Iraq War. She showed those Iraqi's that she was tough.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
435. Hillary has integrity and toughness, that is why she is so respected
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:24 PM
Nov 2015



Toughness is poplar with most Americans: Hillary vote was on the use of force,
Bush and Cheney chose war. Bill Clinton had the same power and decided against war.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
436. She knew what Cheney would do when she advocated for and voted for the authorization.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 07:18 PM
Nov 2015

She is highly respected by the neocons.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24541-focus-why-neocons-love-hillary

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/11/hillary-clinton-neoconservative_n_5578062.html

I agree that lots of Americans put a high value on toughness. Certainly all Republicons.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
440. She gave him the authority to kill Iraqis for oil. She knew who was running things
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

and knew full well that they would invade. She didn't admit to the "mistake" until many years later when everyone knew it had been a mistake. The neocons are drawn to her for a reason.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
444. This is a very important issue. It speaks to integrity. Regardless if the votes counted,
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:40 PM
Nov 2015

Sen Sanders made it clear that he opposed the war and HRC made it clear that she, not only supported Bush's actions, she helped try to convince others. She showed her true colors. The worst political decision in a century and she was on the wrong side. Why not vote for the person that was correct?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
445. Sanders would never vote for war: HRC voted for the use of force
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:49 PM
Nov 2015

There was not war vote: If that had been a choice the vote
would have been lost. Bill Clinton had the support of congress
with the use of force, he chose not to attack Iraqi.

So we already know where HRC stands, she is very careful
like Bill when it comes to war, but she is no coward.

Also, the Clinton's ran a much more competent administration, not
one American die in Kosvo, and the people have named
streets after Clinton's because of the military campaign
that the Clinton's okay ed.

For me and many American Hillary is just the right balance
when comes national security, and national Defense.

Sander just doesn't have what it takes!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Videos show no such thing. Article mentions nothing about "dragging" and none shown.....so.....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:49 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton is a strong woman to be able to "throw out" so many people all by herself!

Handled well, and I applaud the protestors for keeping black issues at the forefront as I did when the same occurred at a Sanders event, and others.....liberals welcome activism for a good cause.

George II

(67,782 posts)
147. Yes, to someone who WANTS it to look that way, but that isn't the way it was.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:34 PM
Oct 2015

Have a great evening!



LET'S GO METS!!!

Laser102

(816 posts)
395. What I saw and heard was the audience chanting let her talk. The protesters were escorted,
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:09 PM
Oct 2015

Not dragged from the room. I think it was handled very well.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
8. The op says nothing about dragging.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:54 PM
Oct 2015

But the protesters, themselves, say they were physically pushed out.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
16. violence?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015

the fact they were removed is ridiculous since she is the one who is speaking about race. I just can't believe this happened. You seem to be condoning removing black people from an event?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
207. Yes really
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:13 PM
Oct 2015

Another embarassing over reach and manufactured tale of the evil doing, monster named Clinton


you anti Hillary people are over doing it today

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
48. Sounded like a question to me, Fred...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

Sorry if you don't like to be challenged for what you say here.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
92. This event today is utterly destroying so many bullcrap talking points..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

what a buzzkill after such a glorious week.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
430. You don't know that is why that poster brought it up. Are you psychic? A sock?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

As to the rest, what is your problem? Take a bong hit, have a shot of tequila or a glass of wine and put on some relaxing music. You'll feel better.


okasha

(11,573 posts)
431. Indeed, I don't pretend to read anyone's mind.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:11 AM
Nov 2015

But it does seem a reasonable conclusion, given that there was no violence.

I remember asking you about your own claims to psychic divination, since you say you know what is said in the private areas of HillarySupporters. Do you have an answer yet?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
14. Well, they would have been offered front row seats but they were taken.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:01 PM
Oct 2015

And it appears they were more accepted for their song than rejected.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
88. Nothing says "acceptance" like chanting "Let her talk" and then cheering when they're removed.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:51 PM
Oct 2015
 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
218. And I'll have a double karma neat, water back.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:24 PM
Oct 2015

The schadenfreude tastes sweet as honey.

sheshe2

(97,868 posts)
313. Clinton Supporters
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:43 AM
Oct 2015

Cheering The MESSAGE OF BLM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BLM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
362. And cheering when they were removed.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:28 AM
Oct 2015

Say, how's that death penalty advocacy working for the 42% of people on death row who are black?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
114. I can't even wrap my mind around that claim.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:05 PM
Oct 2015

There is nothing Hillary could do that they wouldn't rationalize away.

Historic NY

(40,086 posts)
10. They have to dramatize it.....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:57 PM
Oct 2015

too bad they forgot to mention that Congressman Lewis was in the mix along with the mayor and college staff. They were escorted out hold their arms . They made their point but the student audience rejected the intrusion.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. Two sides to every story......but one side does not want to hear any but one side and one song.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:09 PM
Oct 2015

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
36. Well isn't that interesting
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:11 PM
Oct 2015

They should have been invited on stage to answer questions to the audience

frylock

(34,825 posts)
102. Well, Having Congressman Lewis in the mix while they were escorted out must've lent some comfort.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)
126. It's amazing the fiction you find on the "internets", isn't it? Sadly the OP didn't see the videos..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

...of what happened. Might have helped, huh?

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
186. I saw the video as they were escorted out with a man yelling "you're ignorant","you're ignorant"
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:00 PM
Oct 2015
https://twitter.com/AUCShutItDown/status/660178339961954304

Is that the video, that sadly, the OP didn't see?
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
196. "Clinton enthusiest calls BLM "ignorant" will not appear as an OP in the HRC group.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:07 PM
Oct 2015

Even though it's related news to her campaign.

If I didn't know better, I'd think pandering for votes no longer works!

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
7. If this had been a Bernie event it would have been headlines
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:54 PM
Oct 2015

I think it is disgusting that BLM were removed by police.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. It was disgusting. But that's what I meant, the hypocrisy here is simply stunning! Those activists
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:57 PM
Oct 2015

are being SLAMMED here on the same forum where we were told that to slam activists was 'racist'. I love it! I knew it, but I love seeing it EXPOSED!

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
13. It should be exposed
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:00 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton is supposed to be the Queen. Well she just showed how she is going to lose the confidence of African Americans.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. Oh it is. They are doing it themselves. Sadly though, they continue to turn a very serious issue
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:03 PM
Oct 2015

into a political football.

But yes, exposing hypocrisy is always a good thing.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
28. However
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

I guess I see it differently. BLM should have been invited to speak and the image of police escorting them out is not in her interests.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. Well, she had an opportunity to invite them to accompany her on the stage. Instead they were thrown
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:10 PM
Oct 2015

out. THAT is what actually happened.

The same people applauding this were so very upset that Bernie actually DID allow them to speak. I cannot think of anything I've seen lately that spells 'hypocrisy' more than this.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
58. Yes for someone who boasts of this
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:28 PM
Oct 2015

it is more than hypocrisy Black people have been supporting her but it does put people off if Black Lives Matter are carted out. It doesn't look good. I don't think people realize the enormity of Hillary's problem here.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
75. Hillary can do no wrong to a few people here. But they speak for no one though they appear to
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:43 PM
Oct 2015

believe they do. One thing this has done is to give people ammunition when they attempt to drag up the NRN protests. I know what I will be doing in response to any attempt to continue to mischaracterize that event. I normally wouldn't engage in their games. But I have come to realize that all these slimy smear campaigns funded by Corporate money MUST be exposed.

When we don't fight them, see the Swift Boat debacle, they gain momentum. They are destroying our political process because their purpose has always been to destroy some of our best candidates.

It's time to take a strong stand against them now, and I see that is happening everywhere thankfully, exposing them for what they are, certainly not any real interest in the topic itself, because we know that is not the case, and this incident has Proven it beyond a doubt.

I don't intend to let them forget that. We can't.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
418. And Hilary can do no right to almost everyone else here.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:24 PM
Oct 2015

Every day I come to DU, I say, "Hm, wonder what Clinton-bashing/Bernie-worshiping threads I'll see today..."

It's always funny to me to see something like this from a Bernie supporter. National polls aside, On DU, Bernie supporters are in the majority and Hilary supporters in the minority, and most of the Bernie supporters think Bernie walks on water and Hilary is the devil. Meanwhile, most Hilary supporters say things like "I like Bernie, but there are certain things I want in a president I don't think he has, so..." Pretty fair minded, and not at all viewing their candidate as flawless and walking on water.

Which is all to say, I have no idea how a Bernie supporter can say something like "to some people Hilary can do no wrong..." Yes, it's a true statement, but it's a wee-bit of calling the kettle black. Look in the mirror and say those words with "Bernie" instead of Hillary. Are you really sure that Hilary supporters are the ones who are sure their candidate can do no wrong?"

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
67. She even pulled the "If you would let me talk..." business, and was praised here for it.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:38 PM
Oct 2015


Bernie lets them speak and he's a coward.

Hillary demands she be allowed to speak, and she's a hero.

It's almost as if this never had anything to do with BLM's cause at all.

No, that can't be it.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
119. Only because it never had anything to do with BLM's cause at all.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:10 PM
Oct 2015

It's patently evident that some people here only care about specific issues because they feel it will help her to get elected. BLM is here to help Hillary's cause, not the other way around.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
142. BLM is being used by the Clinton campaign to solidify
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

her credentials with other sectors of the population. It's just like Sister Soulja. And the Clinton acolytes here facilitate that hypocrisy. I can't say I am surprised. I expected it.

And I don't expect to hear a peep about all her supporters who were shouting them down.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
341. Well, it never did have anything to do with BLM's cause at all. I don't think there ever was any
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:31 AM
Oct 2015

doubt about that. I knew that because I never saw any of the 'concerned' in any of the Ferguson threads from over a year ago. In fact try as we did we could not get enough interest in those so important protests that people just gave up posting about it here though the protests continued and we had to follow them and support them elsewhere.

I never had a doubt about it. Nor will we ever hear about BLM's cause once the election is over from those same very 'concerned' posters. I am willing to bet on it. Actually I have checked regularly to see if there was any interest at all in the actual ongoing movement which the media no longer covers here, but have nothing, so I continue to go elsewhere to support and follow the activities of the courageous people who are out there still trying to get attention for the ongoing murders by police of minorities in this country.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
18. Who is slamming them?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:03 PM
Oct 2015

If someone who supports Hillary is "slamming" them send me a PM I'll call them out on it.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
29. According to tweets I followed, most of them didn't even make it in.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

Well haha, this isn't going away any time soon. She totally alienated them and John Lewis didn't do himself any favors.


https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/660199443929526272

The protesters understood exactly what was going on.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
173. Yes, from today. Mad at the protesters for daring to interrupt
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:51 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary used him to dazzle and pacify them, it didn't work.
And other Black leaders were just as appalling, yelling at them that they were "ignorant". It did not go unnoticed. There's a short video at the link


https://twitter.com/Ellevation_/status/660184506142474241


https://twitter.com/little_Goon/status/660201970179928064


https://twitter.com/_CasanovaJr/status/660236171344220161

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
209. Wow. Those Tweets are very telling!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:16 PM
Oct 2015

There were also a bunch of people in the audience taking videos of the police dragging out the protesters. Those will be all over the internet tomorrow!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
377. The one I found even more jawdropping
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:08 AM
Oct 2015
@_afrodiziak 16h 16 hours ago

The secret service forcibly escorted us out of the arena to cries of "ignorance!" and "nigger!" #Hillary4Who #AUCShutItDown

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
289. You're not the only one
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:22 AM
Oct 2015
...

Rep. John Lewis, a civil rights icon who had introduced Clinton just minutes before, personally tried to break up the protests, putting his hands on the shoulders of the protesters and speaking with them.

...

"Unfortunately, rhetoric DOES NOT save us, nor does it give confidence to black voters that we can trust Hillary to prioritize the necessity of ensuring our safety," the group said. "We've been waiting for weeks to see the platform that addresses these issues from Hillary Clinton's campaign. We will wait no more."

...

After walking off stage, Clinton was met by LaDavia Drane, her director of African-American outreach.

"It's always an adventure," Clinton proclaimed.

Speaking to CNN after the event, Lewis said he believes the protesters "represent another time, another period."

"It is unfortunate that they didn't listen to the secretary," he added.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter/index.html


Lots of video clips in this link: Rep. John Lewis, Singer Usher and Others Attempt to Push Out Protesters Who Interrupted Hillary Clinton Atlanta Rally

and a tame take from buzzfeed

...

After acknowledging the protesters (“Yes they do,” Clinton replied), the Democratic presidential candidate attempted to move on with her speech, increasing her volume as the chants continued.

The Georgia congressman, who led non-violent protests during the fight to end segregation in the 1960s, went into the audience to intervene, trying to get the protesters to allow Clinton to speak.

“I just said to them that at some other time we could all sit down and talk,” Lewis said in an interview with BuzzFeed News after the event. “Just that we shouldn’t disturb the speech when she was trying to get a message [across].”

When that failed, he and Kasim Reed, the mayor of Atlanta, joined Clinton on stage in a show of solidarity. “We thought that would help move things [along],” Lewis said.

The students who participated in the demonstration were eventually shouted down by a throng of students who came to hear Clinton, shouting “Hil-lar-y!” and “Let her talk!”

...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/rep-john-lewis-black-lives-matter-protesters-should-respect?utm_term=.qxn4R32kY#.klJGzNY5m
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
23. And the hypocrisy in certain people declaring BLM "suspect" and peddling conspiracy theories
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:06 PM
Oct 2015

and all of a sudden changing their tune once BLM started going after Clinton.

Again, fooling absolutely no one.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
429. I think you missed NuclearDem's point.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

Do you remember any of recent these threads? See how BLM was virulently trashed and declared suspect?

Who was trashing BLM and recommending these threads? Arent many of the same people now praising BLM today?

BLM Outliers want to wage war on whiteliberals.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503212

Hillary's buddy Soros funded BLM - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251458059

Ring of Fire Radio: #BlackLivesMatter Leadership Wants Progressives and Bernie Destroyed http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656

"I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae? http://www.democraticunderground.com/100270603

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
335. That's a very descriptive, accurate way of putting it. Stinks to high heaven also comes to mind.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
257. Why I tell people to see what BLM leaders are saying and not listen to the people here who pretend
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oct 2015

to speak for them. A lot of the BLM leaders are active on Twitter, for example, and are worth following. If you follow them, it becomes clear very quickly that many of the people who like to speak for the movement here don't really know much about it at all (and seem to have little interest in what the movement is actually doing and the discussions it's having).

Always go directly to the source and try to avoid the disinformation that gets spread everywhere.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
15. Imagine the towering outrage on DU if Bernie supporters had chanted over BLM.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015

And Bernie had them thrown out on their tails.

What a bunch of hypocrites the supposed BLM supporters on DU are.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
20. Well exactly that video would have been relayed all over the New York Times, CNN etc
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:04 PM
Oct 2015

that video would have been all over the

enough

(13,766 posts)
17. That powerful anthem, Hell you talmbout, is such a beautiful invitation to anyone on the podium
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:03 PM
Oct 2015

to say: HERE's WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, here's what I think we should be doing to change this terrible situation. I fear none of the candidates even know what they're hearing when they people come into the space with that song.

That said, there seems to have been some tacit agreement about this event. They were not dragged out, they seemed to have agreed to go.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
37. They "agreed" to go?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:11 PM
Oct 2015

When they were ordered to leave, by Police with badges & guns, yes .. they 'agreed' to go.

enough

(13,766 posts)
51. As opposed to deliberately entering into a physical confrontation.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:18 PM
Oct 2015

There are a lot of different ways to perform protest. To me it looked as if the protesters knew what they were doing and did what they intended.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
63. I'm proud of my candidate -- Bernie Sanders -- who simply gave BLM his mic and let them speak
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:33 PM
Oct 2015

Rather than signaling police to eject BLM protesters, when they confronted him, on both occasions.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
351. And then after thoughtful consideration made the cause a major plank in his campaign.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:21 AM
Oct 2015

I don't know who represents BLM best, but I do know that my candidate listened, considered, adapted, and amplified the BLM message. He did it during the debates when without equivocation he proclaimed black lives matter. He does it in every speech that I've seen since.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. I'll wait to hear how this was much better than how Sanders handled it
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:04 PM
Oct 2015

Under the bus with BLM!!!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
161. unbelievable. But not.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

One of a tiny handful of posters on my ignore list. Imagine if Sanders had had the attacker hauled away. "THIS IS WHY BLACK PEOPLE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BERNIE!!! OMG RACIST!!!"

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
384. Quite the flip flop.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:44 AM
Oct 2015

From declared Sanders supporter to supposed O'Malley supporter, to blatant Hillary supporter. All the while proclaiming how much Hillary does with and for black people, and how awful Sanders supporters are.

BLM protesters get shouted down, silenced, condescended to by John Lewis, chivvied out by Secret Service while the crowd shouts nastiness at them, and it's somehow Hillary doing them proud?

@_afrodiziak 16h 16 hours ago

The secret service forcibly escorted us out of the arena to cries of "ignorance!" and "nigger!" #Hillary4Who #AUCShutItDown


That is some grade A fantasy spin in that OP.

BootinUp

(51,464 posts)
43. The reports on the event are still in flux. Lets wait and see.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:14 PM
Oct 2015

In the meantime you might check out how strong Hillary's support is in the Black community.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
159. And sometimes events like this help shed light on how issues are only important..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:42 PM
Oct 2015

to some people inasmuch as it helps to get their candidate elected.

BootinUp

(51,464 posts)
168. Let me express my true thoughts on this event
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:48 PM
Oct 2015

I will bow down and kiss your feet if the demonstrators come out and say Hillary mistreated them.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
255. The fuck you think it's about?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oct 2015

It's about the hypocrisy of Clinton supporters who were upset by Sanders interactions with BLM. It's about shedding light on how they are using the issues to bolster her candidacy, rather than actually giving a shit about the issues themselves.

BootinUp

(51,464 posts)
269. No. I think its about a bunch of internet warriors
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:06 AM
Oct 2015

attempting to spin a story against Hillary Clinton in the hopes that Bernie will look better.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
386. I'll believe the tweets from the actual protesters, thanks, not the reports from reporters who
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:48 AM
Oct 2015

have corporate biases thanks to their paychecks.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
391. Makes sense to me. You said 'let's wait and see' and suggested we wait for more media reports.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

The protesters who were actually THERE, and doing the protest have already tweeted out what happened to them. There's no need to 'wait and see' what spin corporate-owned media will put on the events when you can already read the raw, unfiltered descriptions (and watch videos) captured by the protesters themselves. They were not impressed with 'black leaders' such as Lewis, they were not happy about SS agents who threatened to 'body slam' them as they were 'respectfully' escorted out, and not thrilled with being told this wasn't the time or place for their protest, and that they were shouted down by the crowd, who called out things like 'ignorant' and 'nigger' at them. (And I'm wondering how they got away with that last one in that crowd. I can only assume it was a black person shouting it.)

BootinUp

(51,464 posts)
394. I actually meant we should hear what the protesters had to say
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:41 AM
Oct 2015

and I posted those exact words elsewhere last night. You are projecting some other nonsense on me that I never said, so typical in this forum. Thanks.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
403. The Moniker
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:42 PM
Oct 2015

'Camp Slytherin' that was brought up the other day is so screamingly apt when looking at this thread, isn't it? Oh the wriggling and squirming...

Uncle Joe

(65,273 posts)
24. There were probably expecting something like this, there was a nice little fence around Hillary.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:06 PM
Oct 2015

Thanks for the thread, Rosa Luxemburg.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
376. The obvious hypocracy won't even register. Clinton is tough and that's the most important
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:00 AM
Oct 2015

feature. Conservatives love their tough leaders that will take care of them. They won't ever argue her stands because they aren't really sure what her stand is today and it's really not as important as their authoritarian following.

RandySF

(85,065 posts)
47. No, let me clarify
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:16 PM
Oct 2015

Are you sure Secret Service didn't escort BLM out? I've interacted with SS. They don't mess around.

pnwmom

(110,301 posts)
110. RandySF said nothing of the kind. The Secret Service is charged with keeping
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:04 PM
Oct 2015

ANYONE who isn't authorized a certain distance away from Hillary Clinton.

You sure have a way of twisting things.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
165. What?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:44 PM
Oct 2015

What a leap! Ever seen how fast President Obama's hecklers get escorted out? Even if they are one person and nowhere near the President?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
105. Yureka!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:59 PM
Oct 2015


Our focus group has come up with the best excuse possible... Whew, dodged a bullet there.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
33. Excellent Zaid Jilani Tweet
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:09 PM
Oct 2015

On John Lewis and Andrew Young standing with a woman who supports the DEATH PENALTY.

Zaid Jilani– ‏ @ZaidJilani


Black elites side with a candidate who supports executing unarmed people over young people protesting. Same old story

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
38. Nonsense...but this thread has been illuminating. Lewis is a "black elite"? Thanks for the laugh!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:11 PM
Oct 2015

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
50. ?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

Yes so why weren't they allowed to be part of the event? I hate it when people are carted out. It just shows how fake Hillary is regarding Black issues.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
49. Bookmarked!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

To save all the hypocritical posts or lack of ANY response by the Oh so outraged at Bernie's treatment of BLM. BERNIE never had ANYONE removed from NRN or Seattle, but still received a bunch of hate spewed his way.

Thanks for posting this, Rosa!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
68. I hate it when politician use people
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:39 PM
Oct 2015

how could Hillary Clinton the darling of Wall Street and Forbes magazine even understand.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
73. Exactly.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:42 PM
Oct 2015

All she's been doing is pandering for votes. I don't believe anything she says. She evolves too much to be authentic.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
54. Shame
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:22 PM
Oct 2015

Today I was dragged out of @HillaryClinton rally by Blck Police in frnt of Blck "Leaders," people clapped & no one intervened. #Hillary4Who

napi21

(45,806 posts)
57. Not true. I just saw the videos on MSNBC and Hillary let them speak, joined them
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:24 PM
Oct 2015

in their BLM opinion, and the protesters left the event on their own, apparently satisfied.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
76. Of course
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015

I know that you are trying to defend Hillary's campaign but this is a true misstep.

 

Motley Crue

(11 posts)
79. You saw what M$M wants you to see.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:46 PM
Oct 2015

Nice to know you trust M$M's word over the actual protesters.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
82. There's VIDEO at the OP's link of them being escorted out while the crowd cheers
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:48 PM
Oct 2015

Jeez!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
261. Nevermind tweets from the protesters stating otherwise.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

The denial throughout this thread is truly astounding.

JoeOtterbein

(7,870 posts)
61. So the way to show your support for BLM...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:32 PM
Oct 2015

...is to throw them out? Sounds like she thinks they DON'T matter!

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
72. It certainly gives the wrong message to Black people
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:42 PM
Oct 2015

the whole image of them being escorted by police just has set something off

sheshe2

(97,868 posts)
115. You Op is not truthful, yet you know that.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

Did anyone post your jury results? Sadly you won.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
258. Thank you!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oct 2015

I posted this to see if you had put me on ignore, knowing that you couldn't resist replying if it wasn't the case. Now I will be able to sleep again and stop crying on my pillow!

Response to BeanMusical (Reply #258)

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
366. Good one, and you won big with the jury!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:25 AM
Oct 2015

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:23 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerted on post was clever and humorous, and most of all, a measured response to to the out-of-control Hillary supporter whose obscene "Kiss my ass" taunt was appropriately hidden by jury decision
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. Stop alert stalking Bernie supporters.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF was this alerted? It is a very tame response to the post before that was HIDDEN. These kind of retaliatory alerts are disgusting. Grow up!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
367. Jury results:
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:27 AM
Oct 2015
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:08 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

"I'm so mean and still I rise"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=748092

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive flamebaiting and trolling.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:23 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerted on post was clever and humorous, and most of all, a measured response to to the out-of-control Hillary supporter whose obscene "Kiss my ass" taunt was appropriately hidden by jury decision
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. Stop alert stalking Bernie supporters.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF was this alerted? It is a very tame response to the post before that was HIDDEN. These kind of retaliatory alerts are disgusting. Grow up!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given



BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
406. Lol, 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:23 PM
Oct 2015

I think that I know who alerted. We had a little disagreement on another thread at the time it was alerted on. Well that poster was claiming that they didn't alert on the OP of the thread we were in. Which I doubt.

Thanks bmus!

sheshe2

(97,868 posts)
326. Well Bean....
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:55 AM
Oct 2015

you are just all over this place answering for everyone.

I find that so cute, you are tonight's spokesperson.

Lol~

Here's Johnny



You can't stand the truth

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
96. You're going to pretend people are claiming she literally "kicked" them?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:57 PM
Oct 2015

That's fucking sad

Unknown Beatle

(2,691 posts)
150. Really?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:35 PM
Oct 2015

Kick them out does not mean she kicked them.

By remaining silent when they were escorted out means she condoned the actions of the police, which basically means, since it was her event, that she kicked them out by having someone else do it for her.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
298. Lol, now that is funny. You interpret the OP as saying that
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:29 AM
Oct 2015

they were literally kicked. Brilliant.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
81. I suppose all the tweets from people who were there are just "third way brogressive" lies?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:47 PM
Oct 2015

Huh.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
305. post #121, jury results
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:34 AM
Oct 2015

Juror #7 explains it.
(typed out since I couldn't copy/paste)
"Voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Well maybe we should look at what a member of AA has to say about it. And stop with the White 'splaining and listen to them! Star Member bravenak
"Hillary Handled the Interruption from BLM VERY WELL!!!!
I think that out of all the candidates Hillary had the best response in real time to Black Lives Matter.....Hillary made us proud today!" FYI, they were not thrown out, they were escorted after Hillary let them speak.
Stop making stuff up, it is not helping Bernie at all when you make shit up.
Hide it!"

so, ... there.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
347. So there, what?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:48 AM
Oct 2015

I watched the video. They were "escorted out" the same way I've been "escorted out" of sit-in protests. Grabbed and dragged.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
354. So, the vote was to hide the OP.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:45 AM
Oct 2015

I don't know what to make of this Dem primary, or of DU. I've been called "racist" to my face and accused of vicious race hatred (directly in a PM), for NO other reason than that I tend to support Sanders (I also tend to support O'Malley, though have to admit that I know too little of both Sanders and O'Malley, and I'm too far removed).
Perhaps there's truth in the accusations - I'm no saint and my history isn't some glowing example for all w.r.t. any social issue. I learn slowly, very slowly.
Yet even tho' I'm self-critical enough, on some days, to hammer myself for not being aware enough, not caring enough, not doing enough, I don't like to join in when I think someone else is slandering me unfairly.

And slandering the left/progressive political movement. I'm cursed with a memory, so I can remember various OPs which target ALL "Sanders supporters", all "white progressives", etc., for some things shouted by anonymous people at public rallies (not even Sanders' rallies), or some "tweets" by some idiots - tho' I try to keep those memories squelched. OPs and posts generating "hides" which in turn generated a sense of martyrdom - even tho' here, for little reason, was a vote to "hide".

Oh fuck it. Whatever - I know that I tend to be reactionary and I can see how the tit-for-tat throwing out of wild generalized accusations against "candidates" and/or "supporters" is out of hand, and I guess I'm part of it - and I'm tired of it.

I guess I should just stfu and leave DU. Since the place no longer makes sense to me.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
83. Martin O'Malley looks better everyday, I'm still with Bernie, but O'Malley
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:48 PM
Oct 2015

has least worked with black people daily.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
101. And she's blocking there from being a BLM debate
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie and O'Malley called for more debates, but DWS said no to a BLM debate because Hillary doesn't want more debates.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
117. Unlike the other campaigns she never called for more debates
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:08 PM
Oct 2015

If Hillary actually wanted more debates, there would be more debates.

In 2008 after 18 debates, she asked for and got another 8.

But she doesn't want more debates now, so there won't be more debates.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
124. It's the good cop bad cop routine
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:15 PM
Oct 2015

Come on, if she actually wanted more debates, she'd get them. DWS wouldn't block there from being more debates if every candidate wanted them. Only on DU does DWS just want there not be more debates regardless of what the all candidates, in particular the one she supports, actually want.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
109. The 2 events where Bernie was protested weren't his event, so he wasn't in control there.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:03 PM
Oct 2015

One was Netroots, the other was a Social Security event.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
127. Absolutely correct.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:18 PM
Oct 2015

Your point is always misstated...those two events were not Bernie events.

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. How can something SO FALSE be posted here as "fact"?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:11 PM
Oct 2015

First, they were NOT thrown out at all, so obviously its not true that "Clinton throws out" BLM activists.

Second, she was not "unsuccessful" in silencing the protestors.

There's more than one video of the incident available, why don't people actually find out what happened before they go on with a totally incorrect assessment?

It is just so frustrating to see this fiction being posted as "fact".

George II

(67,782 posts)
139. Nope, it isn't a misstep for the Clinton campaign - it was handled perfectly, exactly the way...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:28 PM
Oct 2015

....the Sanders campaign should have handled a similar situation a couple of months ago.

He lost that day, she won today.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
179. the police escorted BLM out and Hillary didn't ask them to come back
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:56 PM
Oct 2015

how is that supportive of Black issues?

George II

(67,782 posts)
185. Now you're changing the subject....Clinton handled the situation perfectly and some are....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:59 PM
Oct 2015

....trying to make an issue out of it because their candidate failed miserably during a similar incident a couple of months ago.

It doesn't change reality.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
198. handled?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:08 PM
Oct 2015

If I were Hillary I would have stopped the police escorting BLM out and invited them to stay. Her message was - don't interrupt my speech.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
309. Perfect is weirdly bobbing the head behind a barricade while the cops throw them out?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:37 AM
Oct 2015

Please.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
130. Then post a link to this video that disproves the videos posted in the OP's link.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

It's not that hard to do.

George II

(67,782 posts)
152. Sorry, the OP says "CLINTON Throws Out BLACK LIVES MATTER Activists"....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:37 PM
Oct 2015

....I think it's the other way around, the OP should post a link to a video that PROVES the false assertion.

That's the way if works in the real world.

Bottom line, it did NOT happen. Period.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
134. Plain as the nose on your face - the police are removing BLM protesters from Hillary's speech venue.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:22 PM
Oct 2015

What? You think the police did that without Hillary's permission? If she wanted them to stay, they would have stayed. She didn't want them to stay, so she had them remove BY THE POLICE. It's all on the video. All you have to do is watch it.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
151. Then you OBVIOUSLY didn't watch the video at the link Rosa posted.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:37 PM
Oct 2015

The POLICE are removing the BLM supporters. Do you honestly believe BLM us not going to be posting about this themselves? Telling the same Truth Rosa has posted in her OP? When they do, you and everyone else defending this are going to look mighty foolish.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
160. If CLINTON wanted them to stay, they would have stayed. You think the police are going to do
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

Something SHE DIDN'T want them to do? Of course not! She had them removed. The POLICE removed them for her.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
158. Exactly! Aren't they suppose to sit down, stfu, keep their mouths shut, listen and
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:40 PM
Oct 2015

then continue to STFU?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
345. LOL-- that's pretty funny, coming, as it is,
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:40 AM
Oct 2015

from someone who tried to link the son of Jewish refugees to Southern plantation owners and thuggish Chicago cops

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
133. What should Hillary have done?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:22 PM
Oct 2015

Allowed herself to get pushed off stage like Bernie did? I think not.




Can you imagine ANYONE on earth who could get Hillary Rodham Clinton to cower in the corner? I can't.

ronnykmarshall

(35,357 posts)
141. shhhhh
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

now don't say that here on BU. You'll get reported!

When's the last time I told you that I love you?

Well ..... any way ... I LOVE YOU!!!

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
183. Thanks.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:58 PM
Oct 2015

Fortunately for us, DU will be back to its original program following Super Tuesday.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
144. He wasn't cowering!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

Good grief.

Johnson then asked for a four-and-half-minute moment of silence to honor Michael Brown Jr., the black teenager who was killed by police in Ferguson, Missouri, a year ago.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-event-shut-down-black-lives-matter-activists
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
162. Whatever, dude. There is a twenty minute video...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

of the entire interaction. He was clearly out of his element, and had NO CLUE how to handle the situation like an executive leader. If he can't handle something like that, how on earth could he be POTUS? He was uncomfortable and didn't know what to do. Zero leadership.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
175. OFFS.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015

He gave them the mic, respectfully paid tribute to Michael Brown Jr. and didn't have them physically hauled out, man-handled or shut down. He's interested in their message, listening, learning and hoping to improve the things they're wanting addressed.

Let me guess, leadership to you is something more like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026158064

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
178. I don't even understand what you are trying to say.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:56 PM
Oct 2015

McCain, Code Pink, I have no idea how any of that is a reflection of HRC's leadership.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
181. Having people dragged out.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:58 PM
Oct 2015

He didn't do that. Simple. He let them have their opportunity to speak.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
211. Yes, he would have.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:18 PM
Oct 2015

That takes kindness, courage and empathy. Some have it, some don't, unfortunately. Apparently, to many, bodily throwing them out shows more 'leadership'. I disagree - I think that shows pure disdain for their message.

"MLK was criticized fiercely for his non violent approach by those who shortsightedly mistook it for weakness. Despite all of the appalling treatment he and others like him received, he conducted himself with the utmost dignity and unwavering humanity."

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
197. No, BLM took Bernie's opportunity to speak while he cowered.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:08 PM
Oct 2015

He tried to shake their hand, and they were having none of that. Hundreds if not thousands of people were there to listen to ***him*** in Seattle, and he failed them through lack of leadership.

What would he do if he had to get on stage with someone like Trump or Carson? Run and cower in the corner? I know what Hillary will do. We saw it last week when she proverbially smashed nearly a dozen Republicans like bugs all by her damn self.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
202. Nah ............ he didn't cower.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

You had to post a FAKE photo to make it appear so.

He's not a nutcase like Trump - he has respect for people, and he showed it here, as frustrating as it must have been.

FAKE PHOTO, BULLSHIT LIES about a GOOD MAN.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
213. He looks like a man not willing to hurt people and who has the patience, experience
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:21 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:26 AM - Edit history (1)

and common sense to let them have a voice. When chronically not given a voice, sometimes the only way to be heard is to disrupt. He's been a politician for a long, long time and has seen this many times while himself fighting for, among many other things, civil rights and protesting against racial discrimination.

He has a LOT of experience with people NEEDING to be heard, dating back decades. I give him credit for letting common sense override the frustration of the event being disrupted.

"While at the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People's Socialist League,[30] the youth affiliate of the Socialist Party of America, and was active in the Civil Rights Movement as a student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.[6][7] In January 1962, Sanders led a rally at the University of Chicago administration building to protest university president George Wells Beadle's segregated campus housing policy. "We feel it is an intolerable situation when Negro and white students of the university cannot live together in university-owned apartments," Sanders said at the protest. Sanders and 32 other students then entered the building and camped outside the president's office, performing the first civil rights sit-in in Chicago history.[31][32] After weeks of sit-ins, Beadle and the university formed a commission to investigate discrimination.[33] Sanders also participated in the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.[34] That summer, he was found guilty of resisting arrest during a demonstration against segregation in Chicago's public schools and was fined $25.[35]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Shortly after the protest, Sanders released a comprehensive platform on racial justice and introduced Symone Sanders, a young black activist, as his campaign’s national press secretary.

So, his tolerance worked, didn't it? As frustrating as it was, some good came of it all.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
223. He had other options, like you know, not putting himself or his supporters into a position like that
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:28 PM
Oct 2015

in the first place.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
226. Makes sense now.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:31 PM
Oct 2015

You have to be dreaming if you think Bernie handled that situation well. I wonder if JFK went over and cowered in the corner during a staff meeting in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
239. LOL. 'A staff meeting' in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:41 PM
Oct 2015

I'm not sure if you realize how ridiculous you look trying so hard.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
260. A bit sad for this one ...... seems to think some people aren't worth
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:56 PM
Oct 2015

the dignity to at least be heard. Bernie Sanders had no warning in advance about this ...... he handled it far, far better than anyone else I can think of. I don't think it's even in his nature to have people shut up and hauled out, he probably didn't even consider such a thing.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
253. Bernie is the bad guy for giving BLM the mic. Hillary is the good guy for denying them the mic.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:51 PM
Oct 2015

Makes perfect sense!

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
267. It's not about good or bad...it's a matter of leadership.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

I don't doubt that Bernie is a good guy, that's all fine and well. But he didnt handle that situation like an executive leader. As POTUS, you need to be able to handle difficult situations, and Bernie seems unable to do that.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
266. Oh too bad!!!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

He didn't stand and watch as they were man-handled off and insulted and jeered ............ get over it. You get your jollies off on that - good for you.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
352. We've already had the Bernie threads. We've hashed those out for months. You might have missed it,
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:29 AM
Oct 2015

but this is a thread talking about Hillary Clinton's failure with BLM at this specific event. Try to stay on topic.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
342. you must be shitting bricks right now
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:32 AM
Oct 2015

Hillary just shot herself in the foot with African Americans, and you are clearly not handling it well.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
363. It was not his goddam fucking situation to handle
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:40 AM
Oct 2015

The members onstage representing the Social Security Works handled it.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
425. Exactly ...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:34 PM
Oct 2015

However it was an actual Clinton event that this group of BLM protesters was removed from . Her own speech appearance . But apparently she can't even control her own security .

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
157. so what you are saying
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:40 PM
Oct 2015

is that Hillary is getting tough on Black people not letting them speak, allowing them to be escorted out by police?

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
171. Nope.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

It was a rally for....Hillary. She is more than capable of relaying ***her message***, but she isn't going to let her rally get hijacked by anyone. Why? It's called leadership.

I'm fully confident that HRC will make meaningful progress with respect to civil rights and institutional racism. But...she isn't going to get pushed off the stage by anyone in the universe.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
172. Photoshopped version, never happened...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe not cowering in the corner.... but the Wall Street Banks have her curled up in their pockets...

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
188. Of course it's photoshopped.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:01 PM
Oct 2015

But...that was his general posture for the bulk of the 20 minute video. My ***opinion*** is that Bernie didn't handle himself very well during the ordeal.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
191. Are you fucking kidding me??
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:03 PM
Oct 2015

You purposefully posted a photo-shopped picture to paint him as a cowering coward?

That should have been hidden ........ pure bullshit post!!!!

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
252. the URL for the image will take you here:
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

pic URL: https //img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1439/15/1439150694561.jpg

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/49412175/

It's the "politics" section of a 4chan-like image board, and the stuff in there ain't pretty.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
417. I can usually tolerate a lot of bullshit on DU
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:00 PM
Oct 2015

from both factions (I'm a Bernie supporter, but there are some in my camp who take it too far sometimes, imo), but I find a lot of the posts in this thread from Hillary supporters appalling.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
420. Ah yes we keep hearing just how tough HRC is. Too bad that isn't the quality that I put
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:02 PM
Oct 2015

first in my president. I rank integrity higher than toughness. Like being able to tell Bush and Cheney to go to hell when they asked her to help sell their war. But I understand the need of some for having a tough authoritarian leader regardless of how they stand on issues. But it's usually conservatives that prefer authoritarian leaders.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
434. Good 'photo shop' of Bernie cowering on the corner.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:49 AM
Nov 2015

As a 71 y/o Black woman, this is the first time in my life that I am a one-issue voter, and it has a lot to do with BLM....not Bernie Sander or Hillary Clinton.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
138. That's not good.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:28 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton was riding high, but it only takes one misstep and down you go.
I think she is likely to recover, though.
We'll see how she, her team, and the M$M handle this.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
140. Interesting. I see no support for your position from the regulars in the African American group...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

... but lots of support from white Bernie supporters.

Always a bad sign when for politics sake you claim to care/know more about a minority group's rights than members of that minority.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
163. do you?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:44 PM
Oct 2015

you must be under an assumption? how do you explain that Bernie supporters are all white - on the internet?

 

AOR

(692 posts)
199. Pretty much shows the hypocrisy and hidden agendas...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:09 PM
Oct 2015

of Clinton supporters in the AA group then Steven. No consistency. If Sanders had said that the same people would have been all over him and I have no illusions about Sanders as "savior" of anything. I'm a leftist and have no dog in this hunt, but hypocrisy must be exposed. And speaking of hypocrites... John Lewis is a capitalist sellout and a rank hypocrite and has been for a long time. Opinions vary and that's mine and I'm certainly not alone in saying it. Cheers

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
210. It shows the reverse actually. Like all minorities and discriminated against groups...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:18 PM
Oct 2015

African Americans should be deferred to when discussing issues of equality regarding African Americans.

They disagree with you and the OP here. Who should we believe regarding issues facing African Americans? African Americans or white Bernie Sanders supporters?

 

AOR

(692 posts)
243. Believe whatever you want...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:44 PM
Oct 2015

Leftist politics is about objective reality and the facts on the ground. The subjective opinions of the defenders of capitalism are irrelevant. As a leftist, I put no more stock in what black defenders of capitalist social relations are saying than I put in what the white defenders of capitalist social relations are saying or what any race or creed of defenders of capitalism are saying. When it comes to solutions in regards to Social and Economic justice...what side one stands on - in regards to ruling class/working class and who is doing the talking and why - matters. Who has power and who doesn't matters. Class matters. Mileage may vary depending on what side one stands on.

You really think the subjective opinions of a handful of people in the AA group on Democratic Underground represent the thoughts of what's real and what isn't in every dispossessed AA community in this country. Pretty arrogant outlook if you do.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
250. I already told you the right thing to believe. You believe the minority about their equality issues.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:48 PM
Oct 2015

Straight people don't get to lecture LGBT about LGBT rights.

Men don't get to lecture women about women's rights.

And white Bernie Sanders supporters here don't get to lecture African Americans here about African American rights.

Anything else is B.S.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
324. You've lost your way Steven and are swimming in a sea of delusion...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:54 AM
Oct 2015

the hidden agendas - of bourgeois capitalists of all stripes - wrapped in the veil of identity politics must be exposed. The complicity of those who reside in the Black political and capitalist ruling class will continue to be critiqued by black leftists, white leftists, and leftists of all stripes despite your protestations to the contrary. Nobody is immune when it comes to the destructive nature of capitalist social relations. Very sorry if that offends your subjective illusions of "right or wrong" but class matters in all fights for equality.

I think the bullshit belongs to those who continue to carry on the charade of claiming to be advocates of Social Justice while supporting the capitalist political power structure and the status quo that contributes greatly to inequality and oppression of every kind.

You and others here who try to separate and Social and Economic Justice are also quite clueless. To the capitalist - black or otherwise - Economic Justice means "simply money." To the leftist - black or otherwise - Economic Justice means the working class controlling their own destiny. That means control of the means and distribution of production, resources, and all wealth created by the working class and labor. Only those with hidden agendas - to defend capitalism - think the two are separate. When ANY leftist uses the words Social Justice it is a given that Economic Justice is included. The months of nonsense here - from those trying to separate the two to defend the staus quo - are beyond laughable obfuscation. That is the real steaming bullshit going on Steven and man does it give off a distinct odor that leftists can smell from a mile away.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
327. So what you are saying is, someone you don't consider to be a leftist
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:56 AM
Oct 2015

shouldn't lecture leftists about leftist issues.

That sounds like a familiar argument. Where have I heard something similar...

 

AOR

(692 posts)
332. Nah...I never said a word about lecturing anyone or anything...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:06 AM
Oct 2015

everything is up for criticism including leftism of all stripes. Have at it. Leftists have been pounded upon for ages. The "Red Scare" wasn't just a slogan. It was created by those with hidden agendas and people were destroyed and silenced. Criticism of EVERYTHING is part of the deal or else you can't get to what's real and what isn't in material reality.

Rilgin

(797 posts)
371. But
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:56 AM
Oct 2015

YOU do get to lecture everyone else on how they can not have any opinion unless its purely subjective. What gives you the right or knowledge to declare that everyone's subjective truth is the truth.

Your post is divisive and lecturing on how no-one knows what its like to have a problem other than the person directly having that problem and that no one else can either understand or help. My training is in the social sciences which explicitly says the opposite. I deal with people's issues all the time. Sometimes people know what is going on with them, sometimes they are too caught up in it and can not look at any problems objectively. This is actually usually the case when people are feeling pain or oppression. Sometimes we need an outside mirror to actually see what is going on with us.

Subjective feelings can actually lie. Many people have similar issues (and I mean similar not identical). Someone exposed to anti-arab hatred or who has been the victim of a genocide probably has a pretty good idea about any institutional racism even if they are not African American.

As to your divisiveness, you have nothing in common with PoC that I am friends with who do not share your opinion that no one understands what it means to be a human being trying to live a good life. We all have our crosses to bear and an enlightened progressive movement tries to find common ground between people and have them understand each other.

I am older now. My friends, acquaintances and loved ones all have many of the same concerns, that their children get ahead, that we are able to live, that we will not be homeless, that our health holds out, that fascism does not take hold. That we do not continue to have an economy solely based on war. We do not want to be victims of crime. We do not want to be victims of the state. We do not want to run into violent people in the wrong state of mind or wrong place. The race or gender of these friends have nothing to do with it. In addition to common concerns, some of these people have other issues that directly affect them (this is where you come in). Certainly, racism, anti-antisemitism, anti-arab issues are part of the world and affect us differently but we don't pretend that it is a unique experience in the world or history, that no other group has any truth on the subject or that our subjective feelings represent the absolute truth.

People have similar but not identical issues and can discuss each other directly and call each other on our bullshit. That is the progressive version of what humanity should strive for. All you can do is find division and difference and lecture people about how they do not understand the world if they are not one category of people.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
275. They also seem to disagree with the protesters themselves..
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:12 AM
Oct 2015

but I'm sure posters in the AA group are better qualified to speak to the situation.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
316. The folks he agrees with must be deferred to not just any old black folks
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:47 AM
Oct 2015

Particularly the well off and comfortable ones, they have their finger on the pulse ya know.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
236. I'm not a fox news contributor. Talk about things you know about, whatever those things are. nt
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:39 PM
Oct 2015

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
242. Sorry to hear you are no longer... CORRECTION: a former non-journalist Fox News contributor
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:43 PM
Oct 2015
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
246. Nope. Just like Bernie Sanders, I was never a Fox News contributor. I am a guest.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:46 PM
Oct 2015

So are you going to throw Bernie under the bus now because you are claiming that is such a horrible thing?

I await your endorsement of Hillary!



 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
256. Has nothing to do with Fox. Has to do with media terms. You were so intent on attacking me
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oct 2015

you used terms that you don't understand about an industry you don't have the foggiest clue about.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
263. apparently you think my advertising what you do is an attack. And, yes I avoid Fox
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:58 PM
Oct 2015

so have not the foggiest clue about how their contracts are written. Thanks for informing me.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
279. And we're both occasional guests on Fox News and other networks. You have no point.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:16 AM
Oct 2015

This was all about trying to attack me and it has blown up in your face. Because the thing you tried to assert as being terrible, appearing on Fox News, has been done multiple times by the person you support for President.

You look like a fool, and you deserve to look like a fool.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
304. I have a point... You are a non-journalist "Fox News "Guest" commentator,
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:33 AM
Oct 2015

and my point is that people who read your posts here on DU understand what you do. You see, many DUers avoid Fox News as do I. So, they may not know.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
282. When you go on Fox as a 'Democratic strategist'
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:17 AM
Oct 2015

getting asked back is a bad sign. Anyone that goes on there and really kicks ass is never seen again. So if they like you it means you didn't do so hot.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
284. And Bernie is invited on as a Democratic candidate for President. And he gets asked back.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:19 AM
Oct 2015

Like the other poster, you have no point here other than to try to attack me, but the more you attack me, the more it looks hypocritical if your candidate for President does the very thing you are asserting is bad for me to do.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
392. You just made the poster's point for me
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

I almost never watch FOX, so I've never seen you, but if you're a regular commentator that they put up to represent the viewpoint of Democrats, and this is the type of argument you use, then you just made the poster's point.

There is a well-known and deserved bias by Dems against commentators FOX uses to represent the liberal viewpoint. Because of that, I figure that such commentators who appear on FOX must have made a conscious choice to accept the disdain of and dismissal by Dems in exchange for a paycheck/exposure and self-promotion. You sleep in the bed you make.

As to Bernie appearing on FOX: Presidential candidates are newsworthy nationwide. They are supposed to be asked back by FOX simply because of that. Hard-hitting, effective Democratic commentators are not and apparently do not get asked back regularly. HUGE difference between Bernie and you appearing on FOX, HUGE.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
294. Well, could you enlighten us, poor peons, about that mysterious industry that you are "part of"?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:25 AM
Oct 2015

In exchange we'll teach you a thing or two about quantum physics. Like the Heisenberg Candidate paradox and why Quarks are changing flavors all the time. Deal?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
296. Not my job. If you attack someone, you better understand the words you are using.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:28 AM
Oct 2015

Or else you look like an ass. Period.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
311. So you are acknowledging they tried to attack me without understanding the words they were using? nt
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:42 AM
Oct 2015
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
241. I'm as much a "fox news contributor" as Bernie Sanders is...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

In other words, I'm not. I'm a guest when I appear, just like Bernie Sanders is:





 

AOR

(692 posts)
156. Lots of crickets on this story so far from the outraged Sanders is not listening contingent...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:39 PM
Oct 2015

I would expect that those outraged at the happenings at Sanders event would weigh in on this. No consistency and the hypocrisy and silence (except for weak and sarcastic drivel from a few Clinton supporters) is astounding.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-protest-215396

"I appreciate their passion," Clinton said after they were out of the room, "but I'm sorry they didn't listen because some of what they're demanding, I am offering."

You're the one that should be listening and not talking Clinton just like Sanders and you ain't "offering" shit but capitalist lip-service and platitudes.


in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
174. The only thing is, the video shows BLM being removed by the POLICE. So,
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015

that thread is ridiculous on its face. Now we're not suppose to believe our lying eyes?
Sheesh. Hillary supporters (previous Hillary haters) have no shame and lose ALL credibility with this.

When BLM posts about this tomorrow, you're all going to look foolish for defending it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
212. After they got to speak and were acknowledged. And Hillary did not get all huffy like Bernie did.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:21 PM
Oct 2015

The differences are significant and that is what African Americans on DU are noting.

The fact that you think you know better than African Americans here about African American equality tells fair minded folks all they need to know.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
216. And I will never be embarrassed for sticking up for a minority group and the opinions of that
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:22 PM
Oct 2015

minority group regarding their equality issues.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
169. so I'm reading that the hillarians would like Bernie better if he'd had the protesters hauled away
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:49 PM
Oct 2015

They will literally say anything, won't they?

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
176. they are all over the place
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:53 PM
Oct 2015

If I were Hillary I would have told the police to bring them back

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
177. OR....DEFEND HIS PODIUM BETTER! LIKE HILLARY DID!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:55 PM
Oct 2015
Yes, yes, yes that is posted here on the thread!

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
346. I hope that poster is OK
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:41 AM
Oct 2015

Too much cognitive dissonance can cause a migraine. After awhile, the brain starts to shut down until all that is left is the stem. Then you become a republican. It's not pretty.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
331. They've been using BLM from the start
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:05 AM
Oct 2015

And Hillary keeps dropping the ball whenever they set it up for her. It's really disturbing to watch.

chillfactor

(7,694 posts)
238. about time those idiots...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:40 PM
Oct 2015

were thrown out after a disruption.....when are they ever going to learn they cause more harm then good to their cause?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
286. And the results are in!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:22 AM
Oct 2015

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:19 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not remotely in violation of the ToS. Leave it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
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demosincebirth

(12,830 posts)
262. They should disrupt the speeches of the jerks who really want to shit over them. I think
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:58 PM
Oct 2015

they have their wires crossed.

PatrickforO

(15,472 posts)
274. Lots of sniping going on between the supporters of Clinton and Sanders on this thread.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:10 AM
Oct 2015

But I know what I see. When BLM confronted Sanders, he gave them the mic. When they confronted Clinton, they were escorted out.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
276. You forgot Sanders' huffy tantrum. You forgot Sanders supporters angry treatment of BLM. You forgot
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:12 AM
Oct 2015

Sanders supporters crapping on BLM all over Twitter for weeks afterwards.

You forgot Sanders supporters crapping on BLM all over the internet for weeks afterwards.

Yes, one knows what one sees indeed.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
285. Sort of like the imagination which compares what happened tonight...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:20 AM
Oct 2015

To Selma protestors being attacked by dogs?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
291. I knew what I was doing when I posted that.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:25 AM
Oct 2015

I received the expected results, on multiple levels.

PatrickforO

(15,472 posts)
288. Sanders didn't have the cops drag them out.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:22 AM
Oct 2015

He got huffy. But he didn't have them dragged out. And anyway, I know I'd get huffy if I was at an event where I was speaking and had some demonstrators come disrupt it, and I expect you would too if you're white too, and you're being honest. No doubt there at all. That's because I'm white and can never have the true understanding of or experience of being black.

It is good BLM is bringing this issue to the forefront because cops really have gotten out of control. They are demanding some justice, and they are protesting with the candidates they think might do something about it.

But, bottom line, Clinton handled it no better than Sanders, and the way she handled it makes her look just a tad worse.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
293. Hillary didn't have them removed either. And she handled it much better than Bernie did.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:25 AM
Oct 2015

The event planners had them removed. And here is something that is a big problem for your attempt at a point.

The event planners were African Americans for Hillary, a group headed by congressman Lewis.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
312. So?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:43 AM
Oct 2015

What does it matter who the event planners were?

Should some not be able to try to raise awareness for issues they believe need addressed?



 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
315. This post just kicked up to the top of my "My Posts" list, so someone on my ignore list responded.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:45 AM
Oct 2015

Sorry ignored, I can't read what you are saying.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
300. Right
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:30 AM
Oct 2015

Clinton should have shouted to the police to stop them escorting BLM out and invited them to stay. Hillary's audience acted inappropriately too. The last time she had them ushered into another room where she spoke to them privately. I don't think that Hillary can guarantee that a high percentage of African Americans will come out to vote for her.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
339. The Clinton supporters are too busy slapping each other on the back and cheering her
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:22 AM
Oct 2015

defend her podium and throwing the malcontents out.

There was also some fucking badass nodding by Madame Secretary so awesome that the joy cannot be overcome enough for any discontented.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
320. Where did the police escort the protesters out, if the source of this was Breibart it would be
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:50 AM
Oct 2015

expected to pay this over and over and over and over, guess I will add this source to my list of not factural. Can you add the portion where they were thrown out of the meeting, I would love to see that portion, I also did not hear Hillary say Black Lives Matter in the other source I viewed, yes I know this will be the one which creates the cognitive dissonance needed to soothe some. No wonder some people have a hard time when they see truth, this is crap. Also did not hear the chanting for the group to be tazzed. Better luck next time.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
348. Smh
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:54 AM
Oct 2015

@_iAmRoyal: One of Hillary's campaign managers said: "She was nervous to come here anyway, for this exact reason."
#Hillary4Who

Bernblu

(441 posts)
350. So Hillary supporters
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:58 AM
Oct 2015

Do Black Lives Matter or do Black Lives Not Matter or Do Black Lives Matter only when it's convenient to Hillary and her campaign?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
381. According to some on here, this was a magnificent win for Hillary!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:28 AM
Oct 2015

She 'did them proud', and the BLM folks got to say what they wanted, and even talk to John Lewis!

It's an amazing spin on what actually happened, especially when you see the tweets from some of the actual people involved.

@_afrodiziak 16h 16 hours ago

The secret service forcibly escorted us out of the arena to cries of "ignorance!" and "nigger!" #Hillary4Who #AUCShutItDown


Yeah, that's a really pro-BLM crowd. I lost track of some of the others, but they were not thrilled to 'meet and talk to' John Lewis, who was telling them this wasn't the time or place for protests.
 

youceyec

(394 posts)
355. what does
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:02 AM
Oct 2015

Simply being rude and disruptive have to do with blm? They are burning too many bridges with these actions. Not doing themselves any favors.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
359. Clinton didn't throw them out, but I wish someone would. I'd ban them from all future events.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:04 AM
Oct 2015

If I want to hear a protest, I'll go to a protest. If I go to a Rally, I want to hear the main speaker.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
404. Ban Protesters How ? its not like BLM announces where they are going to be
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

So people shouldn't protest ? or it is the fact they are vocal young black students, standing up for what they believe in, and going against the status quo ?



Lancero

(3,280 posts)
365. Jury results, post #264
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:09 AM
Oct 2015

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NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
372. I'm glad they were escorted out.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:53 AM
Oct 2015

I was against them interrupting Senator Sanders, and I'm against them interrupting Secretary Clinton. If they want respect, they should treat others with respect.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
400. Exactly!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:16 PM
Oct 2015

This just brought the entire RUSE (and HYPOCRISY) to light! They were just using BLM as a wedge issue. Many Hill supporters couldn't give 2 shits less about BLM.

This has been enlightening! They've been exposed. Sunlight has always been the best disinfectant!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
397. she must be one of those thirdway progressive racists I've been reading about
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:15 PM
Oct 2015

that should disqualify her from seeking the nod, but shamelessness is a cure-all for her kind.

red dog 1

(33,248 posts)
407. Good for her!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:44 PM
Oct 2015

IMO, "Black Lives Matter" are agent provocateurs

If BLM protesters manage to get in to a GOP candidate's speech, they are thrown out the minute they stand up & start shouting "Black lives matter"

polichick

(37,626 posts)
408. So the campaign volunteers were instructed to chant "Hillary" during a disturbance...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:43 PM
Oct 2015

We were instructed to chant "Yes we can" when working events for Obama.

OnlinePoker

(6,136 posts)
416. The cynic in me thinks this whole "protest" was staged
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

They came in, were allowed to walk right in front to make their chants, and then were politely escorted back out. They weren't thrown out, they were escorted by two police/security personnel, one in front and one behind, both men black so as not to appear like racist bullying. I think I've become too jaded in my middle years with the BS I see in politics and don't trust any campaign to be on the up and up.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
428. Well THERE'S the world's biggest, fattest fucking surprise.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:41 PM
Oct 2015

GOSH. She didn't give a fuck? BROOOOOOO. No WAAAAAAY.

DAYUM.

And she's, like, so FER REAL n shit.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
447. Dude, I just got SICK O THE SHIT
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:42 PM
Nov 2015

Booooored, now. I don't know what to do about them, so fuck em, I figger. I've been at Discussionist having fairly reasonable conversations with CONSERVATIVES!! It's fricken surreal, they stick to the subject and stuff...

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
448. I hear ya! They get old, fast!
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:20 AM
Nov 2015

Same memes recycled everyday. All day, every day is spent trying to trash a great man, while NEVER being able to talk Clinton's issues.

Have fun at the other site.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
446. The Hillary camp
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

seems to resemble some her supporters here at DU, shut them up and kick them out if they don't comply......

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