Can you imagine if BLMers were physically forced out when disrupting Bernie Sanders?

[MannyGoldstein]

All holy hell would break loose. Heck, he offered to hand them the stage and was called a White Supremacist!

But disrupting Hillary? She talked over 'em and told them what they "had" to do, they were bustled out, and she handled it "VERY WELL!!!"

The Swarm have become performance art, it's really quite good if one sits back and appreciates it.

So relax and enjoy. It's all good.

And mostly... BLACK LIVES MATTER. No, we don't need murder by cop nor murder by lethal injection. We need livable lives, respect for each other, and an end to the oligarchs and their paid Republican/Third Way help in DC.

[daleanime]

1. Yeahup.....

[lewebley3]

97. Black lives matters has turned bully

[daleanime]

99. Nope....

they're simply desperate to be heard.


Who can blame them for that?

[cui bono]

113. Really? How so?

[lewebley3]

122. Black lives bullies Dem' not the GOP: because the Dem's will take it

[blackspade]

116. Um, That would be no.

[CentralMass]

2. Imagine that.

[sadoldgirl]

3. Never mind,

he is being called a racist anyway.

[bkkyosemite]

4. Yep

[Vattel]

5. But she didn't look annoyed. And because Bernie always looks annoyed,

he looked annoyed when he was interrupted at the Netroots event. Instead, he should have looked like David Carradine in Kung Fu. At the very least, he could have offered to take the BLM protestors out for some Chinese food after the event. And his failure to do so means that Hillary really is better on social justice issues.

[Fumesucker]

6. That would be cultural appropriation and therefore racist

Chinese food can only be properly appreciated by Chinese people.

[Vattel]

7. You falsely assume that the Chinese food in South Carolina has some resemblance to real Chinese food

[Fumesucker]

18. Wasn't Kung Fu filmed in Italy?

[Vattel]

22. Yes, I think Fellini was the director.

Geez, I gotta get some sleep. Ciao.

[Dustlawyer]

70. Yes Grasshopper!

[frylock]

23. Even on Christamas Eve?

[OnyxCollie]

79. In China, people call Chinese food, "food."

It's true. A Chinese guy told me.

[MannyGoldstein]

85. In Denmark, Danes call Danishes "Vienna Bread"

what's up with that?

[OnyxCollie]

87. The Danes are a dark and mysterious people.

Case in point, and apropos of the date, King Diamond:

&spfreload=10

[BeanMusical]

29. Roflmao!

You totally cracked me up!

[Hydra]

8. It's surreal

It's like Team Hillary is daring us to go deeper down the rabbit hole with them...where I suppose you find Former Sec. Clinton herself at the center of the Madness.

[Catherina]

10. +1000. Well said. n/t

[BeanMusical]

30. Clinton at the center of Madness

For some reason this reminds me of Joseph Conrad.

[JonLeibowitz]

33. It does evoke Heart of Darkness & Apocalypse Now. n/t

[BeanMusical]

36. Sorry, your answer has to be in the form of a question.

[merrily]

46. .

[BeanMusical]

91. Ouch! Cut it out!

[juajen]

9. I can only speak for myself, and I would have said "Go Bernie!

[jfern]

11. The plan all along was to insinuate that Bernie had a race problem

The plan was to do that to help the candidate who once bragged about the support of "hard working white people". This was the plan before BLM.

[sabrina 1]

13. Oh definitely. Did ANYONE with a brain cell functioning not KNOW that from the beginning?

It smacks of ROVE to me among some of the other tactics used lately.

So they have David Brock and Rovian tactics to work with.

Bernie just has the truth! And they are so scared.

Because we will remember all this IF Hillary should win the nomination.

And they should remember that WE will remember.

[merrily]

47. To me, it smacks of 2008.

[davidpdx]

52. Exactly

We all remember how quickly they tried to distance themselves from Geraldine Ferraro's comments. Then there was the comment about Richardson being a traitor. Such lovely things come out of the Clinton campaign.

[merrily]

55. In 2008, there were a number of dog whistles, from number of sources.

[A Simple Game]

72. Now to be fair, many of them weren't saying those things back in '08.

A lot of them were for the other guy back then. Ask some of them to repeat what they were saying about Hillary back then and you get a lot of silence. It helps to explain why they don't mind Hillary's flips and flops. It even helps explain her flip, flop, flips like on DOMA where she was for gay marriage before she was against gay marriage before she was for gay marriage. You have to give them some credit, it must be hard for them to keep up on some issues.

[SammyWinstonJack]

77. +1000000

[arcane1]

17. That was indeed the plan, from Day ONE.

And we saw it right here.

[azurnoir]

48. gee ya think? in military terms it would called a preemptive strike

[KoKo]

74. .....!

[sabrina 1]

12. This is what I don't have to imagine. When any stated that no one should 'shove' a US Senator

they were called racists. So going by that logic, forcing activists out of the event would mean those who supported it are racists? I need help sorting all the logic out here.

[Autumn]

69. Logic? You seek logic? Here have this instead

Just look at it and it all becomes clear. It was nothing more than a manufactured outrage to trash Bernie and Bernie's supporters, here on DU


We have better things to do with our time

[KoKo]

76. Not only just here on DU, though.

It was big news push back against Bernie in the MSM and all over the net.. It went on for months.

But, truly, it was bad here on DU how Bernie was trashed and even ridiculed suggesting that his marching with MLK and being arrested in a civil rights demonstrations was just "So 1960's" that it didn't even deserve to be mentioned because obviously he had no "current" experience in caring about BLM.

Seems like Hillary's "current" experience is to have BLM Demonstrators ushered out by police and her audience chanting "Hillary, Hillary" to shout them down from speaking.

[zeemike]

14. Performance art describes it well

Reality is what they make it out to be.

[Starry Messenger]

15. I guess you didn't bother to read about what happened in Seattle.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Oh, I sure did. nt

[rhett o rick]

103. HRC is a good choice for those looking for toughness at the number one characteristic in

a president. It's a characteristic of conservatives to seek a tough authoritarian leader that they think will take good care of them.

[Ed Suspicious]

21. Funny.

[frylock]

24. What happened in Seattle?

[Hydra]

27. I assume what was supposed to be the deathblow to Sander's campaign

But ended up as a fumble by Clinton later...not unlike tonight.

[Scootaloo]

28. Why read, when one can actually watch?

I've found that Clinton supporters have a wide variety of versions of what happened in Westlake. Please, tell me yours.

[artislife]

31. The Medicare Event

Lots of people gathered to protest and find out about Medicare and then another group came in. What if the roles had been reversed?


Ponder that.

[BeanMusical]

41. You seem a little stabby.

[Starry Messenger]

58. Projection.

[BeanMusical]

94. I was feeling very positive when I posted that reply so I don't see how I could have projected.

And my comment was tongue in cheek.

[mhatrw]

16. It's all good because ...

No double standards here.

[frylock]

26. Some are in on it, others are caught up in it.

End result is all the same.

[jwirr]

92. And as to those "oh so 60s" actions. We are not allowed to

have them because Hillary was not in those marches. Thus our experience is null and void.

I was talking to someone the other day about the 70s era when women won so many of the rights that are being threatened now. I told them I had never heard of Hillary until Bills election. Yet she seems to be taking all the credit for our rights. She was probably supportive of the movement just like many of us but she was not in the list of leaders.

[pa28]

25. Black lives matter period.

I remember quite a few people recc'd a thread to that affect but where are they now? I'm sure they'll all be very angry when they hear how Hillary's crowd chanted over BLM protesters and they wound up being thrown out on their rear ends.

Cynical use of important issues like race for temporary political points makes me.

[artislife]

32. Race is always a brick

Either the politicians use it to build something from it or they use it to smash something with it.

What they seem to forget is that it is about people, individuals, hearts, souls, wants, dreams ...

[polly7]

40. Honestly, it makes me think that only 'certain' Black people's opinions matter here,

and only when politically expedient. Issues that I've seen discussed here for years, with 99.9% of members here in complete support. Suddenly it's changed, and the only caring began during this campaign.

I haven't seen one single poster here attack BLM issues ........ only Bernie Sanders, for not having them thrown out and letting them have the mic, as opposed to what happened to them here tonight. I've read tonight he's weak and un-presidential for those things - cowardly, cowering even.

Very strange, the way history is being rewritten. It's like all threads and posts on racial discrimination, civil rights, profiling, profit prisons, indiscriminate death penalty judgments, etc. etc. etc. before the last few months just didn't happen as Bernie Sanders opponents/haters are hopping from thread to thread demanding to know where BLM supporters were four months ago. I've been here for a decade and I have been so impressed by the support for race issues by almost everyone here.

I think you're correct in that they're being used, and it's very sad to see.

[BeanMusical]

42. +1

Great post.

[Autumn]

61. I was told to shut up and listen about 4 months ago. So I shut up and I've been listening.

But after yesterday get the feeling we were supposed to just agree with that handful of vocal voices here how terrible Bernie and his supporters are on everything they say and do.

[MisterP]

88. what does interest me is how this sort of move "takes" or doesnt: other times when they

try this sort of "don't be liberal, it's very WHITE"

Andy Young was hired by WalMart's "Voices of Color" and horrified everyone when he praised big boxes for driving out mom-and-pops because those were usually filthy Koreans or whatever; the "60s generation" of AA leaders immediately denounced him

the Florida NAACP was bought out by ALEC and insisted that solar panels would benefit Whites at Blacks' expense: everyone recoiled

Cheviot Hills and Westside LA explicitly told the City Council they don't want dark-skinned people taking the Expo Line to their enclave; so they fund Damien Goodmon to tell the Council that surface rail "kills Black kids!!!!11111" and sues Metro the day after the yearlong public-comment period closes, starting four years of suspiciously well-heeled barratry; the line opens in 2012 and he admits that all the changes he'd asked for were unnecessary and basically just to gum up the project because he wants to raise his profile as a "community leader"

so I'm curious why some racial smears stick and others don't

[rhett o rick]

107. Those stating that Black Lives Matter should ask HRC what her plan is to help

solve the problem of poverty. Over half of the 50 million Americans living in poverty are not White which is very disproportionate to the population ratios. And should HRC actually mention poverty, see if she wants the 99% to help and not her friends in the 1%.

[BeanMusical]

112. Damn you, stop it with those facts!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

34. The Clintons OWN the Democratic Party and therefore OWN "the black vote"....

Accept it.

Then all of this stuff makes sense.

It's just people trying to steal what belongs to the Clintons.

[99th_Monkey]

90. Too true. Clintons have been quietly, but busily, making damn sure 2008 does not happen again

While at the same time ensconcing themselves comfortably into
George Carlin's Big Club of >1%-er$

[GitRDun]

106. OWN "the black vote"?

No one owns anyone's vote.

And who are you to judge why black people might prefer HRC?

This whaling and gnashing of teeth because Bernie has not been able to broaden his appeal is just sickening.

If HRC treats protesters badly, bad on her and her supporters if they ignore it....same for Bernie and his supporters....but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remove this ownership assertion from DU.

If any group does not like HRC or Bernie in large numbers it's the candidates fault, not the voters.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

111. Just echoing something noticed for a while by insiders.

[mhatrw]

35. According to some, Sanders is a racist for respecting, while

Clinton is amazing for arresting.

[BeanMusical]

37. +1 Absolutely.

[Luminous Animal]

38. I'm going tweak this and use it.

[mhatrw]

39. Please do. nt

[Dont call me Shirley]

82. Orwellian, isn't it!

[eridani]

43. Actually, it was the Social Security Works coalition represntatives who handed them the stage

Sanders deferred to the organizers of the event, as he should have.

[joshcryer]

45. Indeed. Not his event. Not his demand for removal.

[jwirr]

96. Exactly.

[rhett o rick]

110. However, that looks bad to those whose main criteria for president is being tough.

Sen Sanders had his chance to be "tough" and he blew it. Good for him.

[joshcryer]

44. This is bullshit, either side will defend stupid shit.

I mean really there were people in Sanders' audience calling for police to remove BLM in Seattle, calling for them to be tased.

You know who's a brilliant manager of protest? Barack Obama. You know why? Because he reads the crowd. On one hand he'll tell the protester to STFU, if the crowd is positive, on the other hand if the crowd is negative, he'll chastise the crowd, tell the protester to "speak" and offer to meet afterward. If the protesters don't STFU and be respectful, after he's won the crowd over, he has the protester escorted out.

I had fellow BLM supporters both claim that Clinton allowed the event and forced them out all in the span of an hour here. The "Clinton had them thrown out" meme has taken hold and everyone is nodding in lock step with it.

The reality is almost all protest actions always lead to someone being escorted if you don't stop the protest action during an event. What was unique in Sanders' situation is that the police specifically asked if they wanted the people removed in the Seattle event and Sanders' people told the police no, and that they would leave.

I would not have had one damn problem if Sanders had those ladies escorted out after they made their peace. Not one damn problem. That's the cost of protest. But Sanders didn't do it because it wasn't his own event and because he wanted to be respectful. I am already on record saying that if Sanders was interrupted like that at one of his own events that he paid for and hosted and he didn't have the protesters removed that would've been bad.

[merrily]

50. Surely, you are not equating "people in Sanders' audience"--which you yourself

just posted was someone else's audience, anyway--with Sanders?

I am already on record saying that if Sanders was interrupted like that at one of his own events that he paid for and hosted and he didn't have the protesters removed that would've been bad.

How convenient!

[NCTraveler]

49. A person yelled taze her at the NRN.

Another yelled that racial issues had been taken care of. The NRN events security put people at risk over their utter confusion, including Sanders. What you saw yesterday was professionalism in support. This is simply one of the dumbest arguments I have heard. However you can use POC to score points. You do know NRN wasn't a Sanders event and he didn't have control of security?

[davidpdx]

53. He's not talking about NRN, he's talking about the first Seattle

which also WASN'T Sanders event. Speaking of using POC to score points, Clinton supporters tried to claim that event was a Sanders event even though it wasn't.

[NCTraveler]

54. I claimed no such thing.

I'm sure people did. This is pathetic. And he is talking about the NRN event.

[davidpdx]

56. Didn't claim you did, but Hillary supporters did say that

Please show me exactly where he is referring to NRN and I'll happily retract that part.

[NCTraveler]

57. It's obvious and your retraction holds less weight than you think it does.

A Sanders supporter said.... It's gotten this pathetic. What an egregious claim you are making. Lol

[davidpdx]

59. Your failure to answer speaks volumes

That is pathetic.

[frylock]

86. And nobody here yelled 'taze her' at the NRN event.

[progree]

51. "I'm sorry they didn't listen" - HRC, referring to the black protesters, 10/30/15

Last edited Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:16 PM - Edit history (2)

after the protesters had been ejected. This following several minutes of trying to talk over them.

If Bernie had whined like that ("I'm sorry they didn't listen&quot , he would be accused of telling uppity black folks to stifle. And he would be accused of audaciously and stupidly asserting and white'splaining that what he had to say about structural racism was more important than what they had to say.

And we would be told that is what one would expect from an out-of-touch lily white old man from a lily white state.

Plus trying to talk over them, and had them ejected (or at least didn't object when they were being ejected), he would be accused of unconscionable racism in a couple of DU groups at least. Post after post after post for months on end.

But said by HRC, it was by definition, handled "very well",

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/258704-black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-hillary-rally

[jfern]

118. The double standard is fucking ridiculous

[progree]

120. Yup, I just ran across one justifying Hillary shouting at and lecturing protesters

because, paraphrasing a bit, "I yell anytime I feel like it and I berate large groups of people."

This from someone who has posted endlessly about how bad Bernie is on race and BLM issues

[cantbeserious]

60. The Drive To Elect A Female President Trumps All Actions And Facts

eom

[Karma13612]

63. +++1000%. Eom

[Hiraeth]

102. Trump is a scary word these days ...

[Broward]

62. Simply, many Hillary supporters on this board are full of it.

[Thor_MN]

67. Simply, supporters of a candidate other than one's own, appear full of it.

Some of both Sanders and Clinton supporters are blowing stuff out of their asses. Polling "trajectories", imagine if, "only XXX can"...

This OP is pretty much the definition of a strawman.

You all would be happier if you calmed down.

[fredamae]

64. Bernie Is Serious

about the destruction of democracy as others stand by "waxed in artificial smiles" poo-pooing, rejecting and ignoring concerns and ideas from the base.
Losing our democracy-and We Are-Requires some seriousness of attention.
Why choose ignorance for no other good reason than "the win"?
Why choose blind obedience to Any of the party's elite leaders and laugh as we follow along while they help destroy it?

[merrily]

65. "Performance art"

[stonecutter357]

66. more and more desperate!

[CharlotteVale]

68. IOKIYHRC.

[Bobbie Jo]

71. This sudden wave of "support" is facinating

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027165

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503212

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506368

Welcome aboard?

[Hiraeth]

73. Just another day is night here at DU but, can someone PLEASE (dear god, please) explain

to me that Stockholm Syndrome phrase being used and how it is justified in regards to Sanders.

Especially given comments that Clinton "owns" the black vote.

[Oilwellian]

78. HeHe

(no pun intended.)

K&R

[Prism]

98. It's in reference to one post

Where LGBTers and the Black community were told they must have Stockholm Syndrome for supporting Clinton (although I would argue the LGBT community doesn't seem as overwhelmingly pro-Clinton as some claim).

But, one person said it, was roundly castigated by everyone - including a lot of Sanders supporters - but now it's being made out like tons of Sanders supporters were saying it.

It's like "race nagging". One single poster made an ill-advised remark, and Clinton's supporters attempted to pretend that it was some massively approved of sentiment among all Sanders supporters.

It's a tactic. Take the worst thing you can find from one poster, then repeat it ad nauseum in order to paint everyone else with it. Dishonest and juvenile.

But, given this week, I'd say dishonesty and adolescent behavior is the least of the problems involved.

I guess I should create a sig and constantly mention that Clinton supporters don't think LGBTers have it so bad because we can hide our sexuality. Since one person said it, they must all think it!

At least, that's the logic at work here.

[Hiraeth]

100. thank you for this.

I should have known it was some more of DU childish bullshit.

[m-lekktor]

105. the "LGBTers can hide their sexuality" comment is beyond fucking IGNORANT. nt

[Prism]

108. Doesn't help Clinton, so it doesn't matter

Like it never happened.

I would've at least been embarrassed enough about it to not set myself up as a crusading board moralizer, but not everyone is genetically pasted together to do that whole shame thing.

[Autumn]

123. That comment is right up there with the "Gays have enough rights" comment in terms of

fucking IGNORANT.

[beam me up scottie]

109. Well said, Prism.

The person who made the comment about lgbt people being able to hide their sexuality also used an anti-Semitic dog whistle in another thread.

I wish I could say I'm surprised by the rank hypocrisy but I'm not.

[Enthusiast]

75. Right on, Manny!

[Go Vols]

80. K&R

[stupidicus]

81. were the thirdway progressives responsible for the eviction?

eom

[Dont call me Shirley]

83. K & R, Manny!

[WIProgressive88]

84. Like I said in another thread, I really wish that we could all just focus on supporting the causes

that #BlackLivesMatter is fighting for rather than trivializing these issues by using them to beat up the opposing candidate. This goes for supporters of both Bernie and Hillary. Neither candidate is perfect on issues of racial justice, so let's push them BOTH to improve.

[Depaysement]

89. You should know that . . .

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”

[AgingAmerican]

93. Her supporters have become a parody of themselves

They believe in absolutely nothing.

[BeanMusical]

95. Yup, totally agree with you, AgingAmerican.

[Liberaltalker]

101. The double standard is just breathtaking

If Bernie had kicked those BLM activists out there would have been pictures of the activists being escorted out in an attempt to make Bernie's campaign look bad. Yet it's funny how I have not seen a single picture of Hillarys security forcibly removing the BLM protesters from her event... Something stinks here.

[Zorra]

104. Recommend. nt

[sibelian]

114. I have compared them to teenagers. I now retract that.

They are like TODDLERS.

"I'm not Third way YOU ARE!!! YOU'RE Third Way, NER NER NER NER NER NER not listening, fingers in ears, la la la"

In public they do this.

I remember walking down the street once at night and had to get out of the way of a little boy throwing the loudest, stupidest, freakiest tantrum imaginable, as his parents trudged wearily after him, trying to get him to calm down.

The whole street coudl see him and, oh, how he knew. He was having a whale of a time.

Time out after time out.

You'd think they'd eventually realise that the voices in their heads telling them how cool they are for pissing people off is really just them.

[billhicks76]

115. Her Goons Beat Up Ry McGovern

Right in front of her...bloodied. Because he stood up and turned his back to her during a foreign policy speech. He was a celebrated CIA analyst that briefed presidents directly.

[jfern]

117. Bernie would have been forced to drop out

The only thing physical when Bernie was protested was when they shoved Bernie out of the way.

[blackspade]

119. Unless I missed it, Sanders was not called a White Supremacist.

Some of his followers perhaps, but not him.

Also, I think that many misconstrued what BLM was saying; that we live in a world of white supremacy, one that exploits people of color for profit.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

121. Hillary will win the nomination, and I'll never forget the people who lied on her behalf.

I wish stories ended happily ever after, but they rarely do. Clinton is going to take the nomination, and then god knows what will happen in the general. Still, I'm very proud that Senator Sanders is out there getting the message out every day. But I'm not the nice guy he is, and I'll never forget some of the filthy liars who have tried to damage his reputation. I have nothing but contempt for liars.