25 Unfounded Myths Being Spread About Bernie by The Clinton Machine

[pinebox]

I think quite a few of us have heard these before, haven't we now?
There's more at the article itself with a comprehensive breakdown of each and every one.

25 Unfounded Myths Being Spread About Bernie by The Clinton Machine

From http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/30/1442863/-25-Unfounded-Myths-Being-Spread-About-Bernie-by-The-Clinton-Machine



The only thing we have ever asked for as supporters of Bernie Sanders in this campaign is to have a level playing field to compare Bernie’s issues stances, consistency, and track record. As the political revolution continues to build steam, increasingly some Clintonites are really getting aggressive and deliberately spreading myths that need to be debunked. We have hit stage 3 of Gandhi’s progression: First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win. Here are the most common myths and why they are wrong. And to my fellow Bernie supporters, remember to take the high road. When confronted with lies and hatred, turn the other cheek and respond with facts and love.


Myth 1: Bernie is too far to the left
Myth 2: Bernie is unelectable
Myth 3: Bernie will split the vote
Myth 4: Bernie doesn’t deserve our support because he isn’t a Democrat
Myth 5: Bernie can’t get any endorsements
Myth 6: Debates don’t matter
Myth 7: Clinton won the debate
Myth 8: Bernie is weak on foreign policy
Myth 9: Bernie is a gun nut
Myth 10: Bernie only appeals to progressive white men
Myth 11: Bernie is not strong on LGBTQ issues
Myth 12: Bernie is anti-woman
Myth 13: Bernie is anti-immigrant, anti-Latino
Myth 14: Bernie is racist
Myth 15: Bernie doesn’t have enough experience
Myth 16: Bernie’s supporters are bad for the party
Myth 17: Clinton is just as progressive as Bernie
Myth 18: Bernie won’t be able to work with Congress
Myth 19: Bernie can’t get things done
Myth 20: Bernie is too old
Myth 21: Bernie is a Socialist
Myth 22: Bernie is too far behind to catch up
Myth 23: Bernie can't fundraise
Myth 24: Bernie’s proposals are too expensive
Myth 25: The campaign is over, Clinton has already won

[Faux pas]

1. K N R

[luvspeas]

26. tell me more...

[BeanMusical]

36. Lol, wut?

Are you sure that you replied to the right post?

[lewebley3]

44. Its not a Clinton machine: Hillary has supporters that believe in her: GO HIllary

[hedda_foil]

66. Yes, she has supporters who believe in her and OF COURSE THERE'S A CLINTON MACHINE.

For heaven's sake, where have you been lo these past 20+ years? Don't tell the Clinton's there's no Clinton machine when they've worked so hard and so long to build and maintain it. i hear they don't takke insults like that kindly.

[lewebley3]

68. Clintons are well loved and well supported by most Dem's they have been leaders

[hedda_foil]

69. Of course they are, but they have a huge political machine with lots of muscle too.

I'm mind boggled that anyone could think otherwise. The two coexist quite compatibly.

[lewebley3]

70. The lots of muscle is from the people who support them: No machine just well liked

[hedda_foil]

73. Whatever.

[lewebley3]

74. Yes: There Cheers for Hillary!!!!

[NCTraveler]

56. Made me lol. Nt

[enid602]

54. myth 26

Myth 26: Bernie does not play well with others. Barnie Frank has said this.

[Tipperary]

2. Well, this Hillary supporter has said none of these things. Nor will she.

I wish the sniping would stop on both sides.

[pinebox]

4. My hat's off to ya

if that is indeed the case

[Tipperary]

8. It is the case. I have the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders and for O'Malley.

I hate seeing Democrats tear each other apart internally. One thing I know for sure, is that the Republicans must love this infighting. Some of the nastiness on both sides that I have seen here makes Trump's remarks look like amateur hour. Smh.

[BeanMusical]

38. Trump's remarks look like what a thousand monkeys would type.

Not sure what side is the most Trumpesque though but I'm glad that you are so reasonable. (no sarcasm implied)

[marym625]

3. K&R!

Myths, like Greek gods. Irrational, unexplainable, bullshit.

Thanks for the post!
Someone on du did this too. I believe it has even more.

[BeanMusical]

25. "Myths, like Greek gods. Irrational, unexplainable, bullshit."

Hey, I didn't know that you were a poet!

[marym625]

65. Ha! Cool.

I don't know if that rises to the level of poetry, but I'll take it! Thanks!

[JaneyVee]

5. Most thin-skinned campaign in history.

[whatchamacallit]

7. Lol... Shout it JaneyVee, shout it! n/t

[pinebox]

11. Thin skinned?

Uh sure.

Do tell us, on what issues do you exactly disagree with on Bernie. Have at it.

[cantbeserious]

6. KNR

eom

[upaloopa]

9. Not myths.

These are untrue but then we never said them:

Bernie will split the vote (if he runs as an independent yes)
Bernie doesn’t deserve our support because he isn’t a Democrat
Debates don’t matter
Bernie is a gun nut
Bernie is not strong on LGBTQ issues
Bernie is anti-woman
Bernie is anti-immigrant, anti-Latino
Bernie is racist
Bernie doesn’t have enough experience
Bernie’s supporters are bad for the party
Bernie won’t be able to work with Congress
Bernie is too old
Bernie can't fundraise

These are true:

Bernie is unelectable (for the GE)
Bernie is too far to the left (for the GE)
Clinton won the debate
Bernie is weak on foreign policy
Clinton is just as progressive as Bernie
Bernie is a Socialist
Bernie is too far behind to catch up
The campaign is over, Clinton has already won

The rest are not relavant

[Comrade Grumpy]

12. How bizarre.

The list of "untrue but then we never said them" contains exactly the kind of stuff we've been reading here for months. Denying that posters here said things like that is ludicrous.

And the "things that are true" are all matters of opinion.

[SoapBox]

18. Isn't that a hilarious response!

All of those have been on DU indeed...The Red Card, The Racist Card, The Sexist Card...

They keep flinging shit and looking for something to stick.

So far...they got zip because Bernie has a consistent, honest, authentic history.

And I absolutely TRUST him.

Go Bernie!

[BeanMusical]

39. +1

[pinebox]

14. You may want to search DU

because yes, they've been said.

Now your other points;

Why do you believe Bernie is unelectable in general when he polls better than Hillary against any and all Republican opponents?
Too far left for a general but see what I said above.
Clinton won the debate itself is debatable. Pundits say yes, people said no. Coin flip.
Bernie's weak on foreign policy? This is a tide shifting here, Obama was as well.
Clinton is NOT as progressive as Bernie and this has been debunked a million times. Her stances show that.
Bernie is NOT a socialist., He's a democratic socialist. Is that a bad thing?
Clinton hasn't already won. Bernie's closer than Obama was at this stage of the race.

[Autumn]

15. Strange. Hillary's supporters have said all those things and more here on DU

Last edited Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:30 PM - Edit history (1)

and at their supporter site.

[BeanMusical]

43. "at their supporter site"

It's not really a supporter site, more like a Trash-Bernie-and-his-Supporters-and-Coordinate-Swarms site. Well I needed to correct someone so I picked you. (I hope that you get my sick sense of humor)

[Autumn]

49. Bean. You and I share the same sick sense of humor.

Sometimes I'll see your posts and it amazes me that I have thought the same thing.

[BeanMusical]

51. Separated at birth? GMTA?

Nah, you're way smarter than I am. I honestly believe it.

[Autumn]

55. I'm probably just wayyyy older

[daleanime]

17. I just love being told....

that I'm not relevant. Thank you so much. Have a lovely day.

[EndElectoral]

22. This is true? "The campaign is over, Clinton has already won." Uh...Iowa hasn't even voted yet.

[freedom fighter jh]

31. One may as well say . . .

. . . the primary campaign is over and Bernie has won.

[cascadiance]

60. How quickly they forget that Obama was farther down when they say it's '"over"...

Either they don't understand how history shows that notion WRONG, or they feel that piling on to the corporate propaganda to this effect will work any better this time than it did last time (or DIDN'T work last time).

[hootinholler]

35. Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak

[Phlem]

53. Doh!

[Lancero]

63. The campaign is over, yet primary season hasn't even begun.

Hmm...

[hedda_foil]

67. Whether myths or not, they are not facts, but opinions.

You're entitled to yours, just as each one of us is entitled to our own opinions. It certainly doesn't make your conclusions objectively true. They're your predictions. I happen to disagree with you on most of them, but that's my opinion.

I just wish that all of us on both sides would couch our thoughts as opinions.

[99th_Monkey]

10. Clinton is trying to goad Bernie into "going negative", i.e. defending himself from the lies

If Bernie doesn't defend himself from the lies, then they tend to stick in voters' minds,
if Bernie DOES defend himself, they say "oh look!, Bernie going negative when he said
he never would do that!"

It's the old "heads i win, tails you lose" game, and it could not be more obvious.

Never mind that Bernie never said he wouldn't defend himself, and forcefully respond
to outright lies and baseless attacks.

[daleanime]

13. Just trying to make it easier for Clinton supporters.....

now they can just go....#9, #12, #21, and #25. Look how much typing you could save yourselves.

[pinebox]

16. lol

Hilarious!

[whatchamacallit]

19. Like a buffet

"Let's see... it all looks so tasty, but today I think I'll smear Bernie a #9, #12..."

[SoapBox]

21. ...

[BeanMusical]

45. Roflmao!!!

[EndElectoral]

20. Add Myth #26 - Bernie is sexist

[onehandle]

23. Dunno about the first 24, but #25 is not a myth. nt

[pinebox]

29. I'm pretty sure that MYTH

was spread in 2007 too

Let's hark back for a moment to October 2007 as we remember and look back fondly on the memories.

[Progressive dog]

24. Bernie calls himself a socialist

while FDR denied being one. FDR even claimed to be a conservative-- "[t]he true conservative seeks to protect the system of private property and free enterprise by correcting such injustices and inequalities as arise from it. That the most serious threat to our institutions comes from those who refuse to face the need for change."

[pinebox]

30. However

[Progressive dog]

64. FDR had no control over what others called him,

but Bernie chose the title. Comparing Bernie to FDR is dishonest.

[zappaman]

28. Ok. n/t

[upaloopa]

32. Clinton machine

[pinebox]

34. :)

[BeanMusical]

46. Lol! Good reply.

Notice that the arrow in the background is pointing down.

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Amazing! I wonder how he was ever elected in Vermont with 71% of votes?

Perplexing!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[DanTex]

37. LOL. Half of those are true, and the other half nobody ever said.

For example, "Clinton won the debate" is true.
"Bernie is racist" nobody ever said.

And so on.

[pinebox]

41. Actually

Clinton won the debate is what pundits said, people said Bernie did. Coin flip. Call it even and for what it is.

As far as racist. Well, I won't screen cap it because it was hidden but http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506371 and there's more floating around on here, just search the site.

[DanTex]

42. "People said Bernie did." Please tell my you're not talking about the online polls.

As far as the racist thing, one isolated example, likely trolling. To claim that "Bernie is racist" is a meme spread by the "Clinton machine" is absurd.

[BeanMusical]

47. "one isolated example"

Hum, there is also some antisemitism going on at the sewer site.

[pinebox]

52. It's hilarious

that you guys don't consider online polling legit. I don't get it. It's 2015 dude, you're communicating with me on that thing right now, the internet, yet you try and marginalize it. Never mind that fact that revolutions are literally fought on social media platforms. The internet has changed everything, why do you think the FBI is busy monitoring ISIS twitter accounts?

It's not 1990 anymore.

[workinclasszero]

61. It's hilarious that you guys think it is legit

One determined person on an internet poll can spam hundreds or thousands of votes.
That's why they mean nothing. Zero.
Uncontrolled polls are pure propaganda. The results are always bunk.

[DanTex]

62. Thing is, the laws of statistics haven't changed.

What's hilarious to me is that almost all of the Bernie supporters here have become poll truthers. It's almost like not believing or understanding the science of polling is a requirement to be part of team Bernie.

[pinebox]

72. Do you know why people ahve become "poll truthers" as you've said?

This is why. Notice October and November? Now doesn't that look very familiar?

[Scuba]

40. Myth 4 is my favorite. We should support a war mongering, Wall Street backing, fracker-friendly ...

... H1B fan instead, 'cause Bernie's not a real Democrat.

[BeanMusical]

48. +1

[stupidicus]

50. win or lose the world will be a better place due to his effort

I would say however, that the turn the other cheek advice is not something I'd recommend and will never do. If they are anything like their rightwing cousins in that regard, that's just an invitation for them to slap both cheeks off, and happily so.

[stonecutter357]

57. Bull

when bernie loses it will be his fault not Clinton.

[pinebox]

58. Loses what?

SuperPAC's? Oh ya that!

[coolepairc]

59. Reality check

Bernie cares about all Americans
Bernie cares about the poor
Bernie care about racial justice
Bernie is not corrupt
Bernie is not divisive
Bernie is as energetic at 70+ as I was in my 20's
Bernie is a peace monger
Bernie cares about our vets
Bernie cares about American jobs
Bernie fights to protect our environment
Bernie is not fake
Bernie does not engage in personal attacks
Bernie's supporters love him
Voters in Vermont that know him best love him
Bernie cares deeply about all women (not just the privileged few)

[NCTraveler]

71. THE CLINTON MACHINE!!!!!!!!!

http://www.redstate.com/2014/09/01/the-clinton-machine/