2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat does the bizarre praise for Hillary's handling of BLM say?
To me it says, despite the lip service and photos of PoC adorning profiles, it's always been more about Hillary Clinton than Black Lives. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if supporters praised her for beating someone with a stick.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)This seems inappropriate.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)An element of the "cult of personality" on the Clinton side that exceeds Sanders. Mainly I think in big part Clinton is an identity candidate whereas Sanders is an issues candidate.
The identity and branding in the Clinton camp it makes the issues a secondary consideration. I doubt most people who support Clinton could give you policy specifics past Democrat boilerplate.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, civil rights hero's endorsements, and is supremely qualified.
Bernie fans are grasping at emotion.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Support is mainly a branding and identity thing. Most regular off the street folks probably just support her because of the Clinton brand and her gender and the fact they think she can win and Bernie can't.
There is nothing wrong with that.
Btw endosements usually mean little other than the endorser thinks so and so will will win and wants to be on the right side of that bet.
Think of it as more of a prediction than an endorsement.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I do think endorsements are a little bigger than that though. One example. At a minimum, Hillary has gotten indirect access to each endorsers email list once. Some endorsers will send more than one and include links for donations. Through her endorsers alone she has inderictly contacted millions of people using none of her own funds.
artislife
(9,497 posts)That the endorsement for Hillary cost them money. I would not be donating to them, the DNC and to either of my two senators this election cycle.
I hadn't received an email before and am not sure how I got on the mailing list. But two solicitations in one day, I guess the first one was yesterday but I was busy.
We'll see if I even get a response or if it is just another politician interested in cash only.
First one:
Some of that money was spent against me, in fact. In 2012, they called me the hunted Democrat because of all the outside spending against me.
And according to The New York Times, dark money groups are on track to spend even MORE money on the 2016 elections:
This time around, that spending is already at $4.9 million, more than tenfold what it was at the same time in the 2012 cycle.
These groups arent just hunting one democrat anymore -- theyre hunting our democracy. Its up to us to fight back as we always have: with strong grassroots organizing. Were still a little short of the $20,000 we need this month to keep fighting. Can you give $5 or more right now?
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This is not how our democracy is supposed to work. Dark money groups, backed by right-wingers like Karl Rove and the Koch brothers, should not have more say than people in Toledo, or Akron, or Cincinnati.
artislife -- were the ones left to fight for progressive values. Were the ones who have to make sure important issues see the light of day.
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2nd one
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marym625
(17,997 posts)thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)
Ed Suspicious This message was self-deleted by its author.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Whatever Sanders says
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)untold amounts of money made possible by Citizens United, used to spread lies about Hillary and plant them in the media.
It doesn't have the Candidate claiming to be a 'victim' of Hillary's sexism.
It doesn't have supporters of Bernie attempting to spread lies about Hillary eg, that she has 'dual loyalty' among other things.
What Bernie supporters Are doing and will do is to go after those vile, corporate funded dirty tricks and nasty talking points.
The INITIATORS of nastiness are to blame, not those who respond to them.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Are you saying they don't care about black lives?
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)c'est la vie
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)They have been by her side and she has been by their side for decades and not just window dressing for the latest election putsch, ergo:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/hillary-clinton-inside-circle-huma-abedin
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Whew... I thought it might be something silly like policy.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It's how we make all kinds of decisions from choosing a physician to choosing a mate. I would add that most folks establish some level of competency in choosing the former, akin to how they choose someone to be their leader.
If you have to convince somebody you're down , you probably are not.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)She's a white, right-leaning democrat.
azmom
(5,208 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bringing a pop gun to the O.K. Corral - not wise.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Thank you in advance.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I thought only the R's hated poor people.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)But don't let those facts get in the way of libeling me.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I would love to know the answer.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Kennebunkport is a homogeneous hamlet. Hobe Sound is a homogeneous hamlet. Carmel is a homogeneous hamlet.
How are homogeneous hamlets synonomus with poor people?
Thank you in advance
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Those you listed I mean...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)No more than I would assume all homogeneous hamlets are poor. That was the inference you made so you could libel me.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Very poor. Places like Kennebunkport are the exception to the rule. Very BIG exception.
I would have to drive hours to see "hamlets" such as those.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)The first time I used it in this thread was to denote a rarefied milieu where verbal jousting like playing The Dozens is not valued.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Accusing people and entire regions one knows very little about of a certain kind of behavior, based on a certain way one thinks they live, is pretty low, in my opinion.
So I won't be going there.
ETA: These implications have been going on for months about white Vermont and Bernie from a lot of people.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)And you are making wild assumptions about me; for instance where I was raised, by whom I was raised by, who my seminal influences were, who my friends and associates are and were, and so on and so forth...
I make no assumptions about you, except the fact you thought you could libel me and failed...Actually, that's not an assumption, it's an observation.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Oh whatever dude/dudette (?)
... See, no one need make assumptions...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)-Potato Chip
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... I suspect "homogeneous hamlet" is their way of saying that, as a Bernie supporter, you must be, by definition, from a small village of Volvo-driving white people.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I would respond in kind to your ad hominem attack but I want to be here for you as you work your way through Elisabeth Kubler- Ross' Five Stages Of Grief. You are at the Anger And Denial stage. I want to be here for you while you work your way through all Five Stages, the final one which is Acceptance.
melman
(7,681 posts)lolz.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)That convinces me I'm doing something right.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)I'm not overly concerned if those who support Hillary want to attack me for supporting Bernie, and will reply to my comments negatively. It's the CONCERN I have about what it says about THIS Democratic Party.
I've been a political activist for so very many, many years and I know what it means to lose. It comes with the territory. The Republican Party is KNOWN for going down the yellow brick road, but I'm now watching Democrats going down a path of it's own. Haven't given it a proper name as yet.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Bill, during an interview, answered a question regarding Senator Obama having the black vote sewn up and made a comment that when Jesse Jackson ran he also had the majority black vote in S.C. They were skewered as being race baiters. Jesse Jackson himself said that he was not offended by the comment. Yet it stuck, as did if I recall Hillary making comments about LBJ passing Civil Right legislation in 60's. She was skewered by the press and by members of the African American community.
Is this all just political bullshit ? Sanders has a good record and heart when it comes to Civil Rights, dating back to his college days.
Is the just political operatives trying to use the issue as a political weapon ?
eridani
(51,907 posts)Most PoC aren't, just like everybody else.
marym625
(17,997 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Please stay on topic or start your own OP about individual black lives.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)that her policies are so good because she's popular with so many people that her policies are so good because she's popular with so many people etc.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)There are gay republicans, after all.
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)The African Americans I best know and most respect (my family) haven't stopped posting pro-Bernie stuff online, so I'm going to guess they aren't overly impressed by the handling.
My personal take is that "better than what trump would have done" is not a very high bar to meet, I'd prefer a candidate that can do good, not just better than worst.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)We all knew that, of course, but now it's clear for all to see.
Whose cause will they exploit next?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The projection, it Berns.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)As of this posting 23 said likely, 2 said of course and 9 said no.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Considering the fact that you had a post hidden for linking to Stormfront you probably shouldn't start playing the guilt by association game.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I missed that. Trying to say he has 50% support over there ........... that's just disgusting.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)None whatsoever.
Happy Halloween!
🎃
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm waiting on my little trick-or-treaters! ........... they'd better hurry or there won't be enough candy left.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The only masked marauders we'll see tonight are this kind:
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm expecting quite a few this year, it's a nice night and no snow yet so they'll be out in full force. Can't wait for them to see what's just inside my door, he he. My friend and I turned my porch into a bit of a haunted house so I'm gonna scare the crap out of them!!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They are not little sweeties. When five of them the size of pit bulls rush your back door because people have been feeding them and nearly make it in the house, you will have a different opinion.
Oh, and you could also go through rabies treatment. That's a barrel of sweetness and light. Nothing like getting shot up directly into the wound that already hurts.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm sorry you had to go through that and am very! glad you were ok, but yeah, that sucks. Best to just look at them through the window and don't use that back door! It's good to see you, Aerows.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's my favourite holiday, I have some good horror flicks on the dvr and lots of popcorn so I'm all set!
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm supposed to go to the dance here but am not sure yet if I want to. Still thinking about it, I might end up with popcorn and a movie or two too!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)trust me, raccoons are not something you want a close encounter with.
polly7
(20,582 posts)We have some raccoons up here, but I've never seen one up close - well, except for a couple hit on the road. Good to remember about any animal .. a little rabid fox was stumbling around here a few weeks ago, sad to see, but glad he was gotten rid of before he could harm anyone or anything.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)When did the world turn upside down?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I don't generally remember many handles, but now I'll remember that one.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Every time someone complains about the sources Bernie supporters cite remind them that at least we don't use Stormfront.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I know more about us than you do.
I think all these pissed off Bernie supporter posts are because you know your guy won't win the primary.
Denial
Anger
Depression
Bargaining
Acceptance
You are somewhere between anger and depression I think
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)the part you miss is that it has nothing to do with our "guy". It has to do with policy and the future of our country. I will agree there is a high likelihood that many of us are between anger and depression due to the likely hood that Hillary will win the primary and the USA and our futures will lose.
Hopefully bargaining will net us something other than a pure loss. Otherwise I dont see Acceptance happening.
jen63
(813 posts)in Grumble to work out the Kubler-Ross routine? Wow, epic!
oasis
(49,426 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)That would be sad...Police need to respect the people they are policing and the people being policed need to respect the police.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)reason many may think. I do intend to write him, but the fact that JOHN LEWIS a man I've respected since I was involved with the Civil Rights Movement felt the "need" to address them away from the crowd is a stab in my heart!!
I did post my thoughts on another thread, but I'm a white woman who lived in Texas back then and personally SAW the horrible things that took place. Saw the black & white fountains, saw restaurants, theaters, swimming pools, busses and the many locations that excluded blacks! I'm appalled that JOHN LEWIS and the other leaders from then have either forgotten or have CHOSEN to tamp down this movement because THEY support Hillary speaks volumes. VERY, VERY distressing! Daniel Webster is that the name I'm looking for???
I know what THIS Democratic Party wants, know that they will do what they can to shut Bernie out, but to GO Against what you stood for back then, and to this day are remembered as one of it's prominent leaders from then... YOUR actions speak for what you've become! I suppose any "bed" can find room for a person's supporter.
JOHN, they believe in their cause as you did! Tell ME WHY?? Oh, don't bother I ALREADY know! Call me out for saying this because I support Bernie if you want, but YOU ARE WRONG!
The meaning of the word HYPOCRISY remains the same as it did back then!
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)msongs
(67,459 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)they would praise it with relish, I expect.
Baitball Blogger
(46,765 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Why are you taking a legitimate and sincerely appropriate protest about the death of women, children and innocent men and turning in to adolescent poutrage that your old man got smacked around by justice. Soooooooooo sick of this conjured up conspiracy. And no, I am not a hillary supporter and I am not against sanders either. Im against your nasty attitude.
Number23
(24,544 posts)There are several Bernie supporters in the AA forum right now as revolted by the intellectual dishonesty and BS in this forum right now as the rest of us. And who are saying the exact same thing that you just said.
I expected to log on and see the front page riddled with this mess and was not surprised that it was but the rec count was far lower than I expected. And I suspect because alot of folks feel about this the same way as you and I. Yet another low point for DU.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Oops!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It was an accident of birth for which I had no control.
I have a question...
As an African American how does it feel to have your community turned into a political football?
Thank you in advance.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Look how they look!!!
They have no clue what they are talking about just blah blah blah! It is not gonna work. We are so tired of being fear of lossed into something that nothing they can say will work this time.
I think they forgot their OWN REACTION TO BLM. I do not see us harassing black folks for not loving Hillary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I guess when folks get upset they get so discombobulated they will say anything.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I wonder if they see how crazy it is to think that we blacks are going to pick the one group of blacks over the other group when they were both focused on the same issue. Protesters expect to get removed. I do not get this whole meltdown.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)There is a huge difference between black people telling other black people to shut up and white people telling black people to shut up.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yes. It is very different having the oppressed yell at the oppressed than the privileged yell at and threaten the oppressed.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)In your humble opinion why do you think they fail to understand that or perhaps they understand it all too well and that's why many of them have been besides themselves since yesterday afternoon?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)There is a huge difference between Bernie welcoming protesters to the stage, and Hillary allowing protesters to be hauled out by police.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)We will have to wait to see if supporters of a certain candidate hound them on the internet, scour all their previous associations, leer into their sexual history, and gaze into their prior religious affiliations.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)is that Hillary supporters don't mind if their candidate has protesters removed from a Hillary rally.
You know in your heart that Hillary supporters would have freaked out if that had occurred at a Bernie rally.
The important thing is how the candidates actually treat people who protest, and the difference is clear.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Even when they're not.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The irony is hilarious.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)And I can't understand why anybody would criticize anybody for an immutable characteristic, any more than I can understand calling somebody who is to the left of Mandela and the Dalai Lama on the Political compass a "right leaning Democrat".
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)to follow your post about PoC identifying strongly enough with color to make it their primary consideration, with a post saying the same about you? Kind of a twisted sympathy play don't ya think?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I identify with her because she reminds me of myself or my idealized self, someone who has been knocked down many times but has got up even more, nothing to do with she or me being "right leaning Democrats".
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)That's more of a glimpse into the psyche of the OP than anything else.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's her turn, that's all you need to know, citizen.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Broward
(1,976 posts)applegrove
(118,832 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)They didn't get a chance at the mic. She spoke over them before they were removed. Seems to me like she might have been afraid they might ask questions she wasn't prepared to answer ....... jmho.
She also has the best security money can buy - I don't think she gets 'confronted' much or faced with activism she isn't fully prepared for in advance.
applegrove
(118,832 posts)ample time to get their voices heard.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)in black people beyond what she can get out of them.
Wouldn't it?
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I know super staunch supporter of BLM here on DU that actually started attacking people for questioning their tactics with Bernie and the other side of her mouth was *Praising Hillary* for how she treated them.
The shit is fucked up!
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Straight to ignore status for not being sincere and playing games. You can't have a sincere conversation/communication with someone that is playing politics that grotesquely.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)All their BLM outrage was an act. They don't care about black lives, except as a platform for drama. They have zero integrity. They have become a self parody, or as a wise man once said, they are little more than 'performance art'.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)"I'm a lefty. What do lefty people say? How does what I think make ME feel about ME?"
There isn't a word leaving their mouths that is spoken for any sake other than them hearing themselves say it.
They are empty people.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)... with the fact that BLM folks were constantly lectured at and harassed by Bernie supporters on twitter. There have been numerous articles about that.
Many of my politically active African American friends have said Sanders supporters should stop lecturing them on how great Bernie is for black people.
Sanders would have done his campaign a great service if he said something like "these people do not speak for me."
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Or did Clinton not speak for Clinton?
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I must have missed it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/10/30/protesters-chanting-black-lives-matter-interrupt-hillary-clintons-atlanta-speech/
iandhr
(6,852 posts)This might ave between better.
"I support a good portion of the policy changes they are advocating for."
But as you know sometimes in politics facts don't matter. Fairly or unfairly a narrative was stuck to Sanders and before he could address BLMs issues many had already tuned him out. That was my only point.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)What I have find bizarre is that activists still are asking for HRC full justice reform platform not bits and pieces
Both Sanders and O'Malley put out their plans for justice reform, restoring the middle class,student debt/education and more
#Earnthisvote
We are not giving away our votes
BLM has asked DNC for added debate dealing with issues that affect the black community
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)A debate. DWS and the DNC want to give as little exposure as possible to everyone besides the chosen one.
Bernblu
(441 posts)They just used it to bash Sanders. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, BLM is expendable and the protesters can be thrown out their butts. Hillary will do zilch for BLM should she become president except give them lip service. It also means that Hillary and her supporters will do and say anything if they think it will win them a few votes.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Say fucking ANYTHING about ANYTHING under the sun.
riversedge
(70,336 posts)mcar
(42,390 posts)It is Halloween. I feel like I've entered bizarro world.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)What I perceive is not necessarily a wish that the country elect the person who might right the apple cart... rather a group of people who NEED to see a person elected for reasons having nothing to do with said cart.
It is entirely possible that the person "most qualified" to be President isn't necessarily the best person to lead the country.
demwing
(16,916 posts)and if their candidate accepts that praise, then that candidate isn't worth a damn.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)The blind faith comes first, then the rationalizations and excuses are contrived afterward.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)whole lot of people.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)however escorting BLM out of her public event doesn't send the right message
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)how tough she is. Some people like that.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)police brutality, and mass incarceration, instead of constantly making these protests about our white candidates and their white supporters? #BlackLivesMatter is raising issues that are literally life or death for our African American friends, and we are trivializing these issues by making them about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders rather than Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland, and countless others. None of our candidates is perfect on racial justice, so let's hope that #BlackLivesMatter continues to push ALL of them, and let's all push right alongside them.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Is The Hill's short clip of the beginning and a text description of the rest, but based on that, if she were popped out and Bernie were popped in, it's my opinion he would have been excoriated, possibly by some who are good with Hillary's actions.
No, I can't speak for others or know for sure, but that is my feeling.