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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:57 PM Oct 2015

What does the bizarre praise for Hillary's handling of BLM say?

To me it says, despite the lip service and photos of PoC adorning profiles, it's always been more about Hillary Clinton than Black Lives. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if supporters praised her for beating someone with a stick.

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What does the bizarre praise for Hillary's handling of BLM say? (Original Post) whatchamacallit Oct 2015 OP
Now, what would give you an idea like that? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #1
"At this point I wouldn't be surprised if supporters praised her for beating someone with a stick" Dem2 Oct 2015 #2
The emotional rationalization exists on both sides but I do feel there is Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #3
I would say the opposite... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6
not saying she doesnt have lots of policy ideas but I think Non DU Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #29
Very fair post. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #59
I have told Sherrod Brown twice today artislife Nov 2015 #113
how sad marym625 Nov 2015 #125
Bernie has policy proposals, too. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #76
Her policy specifics: arcane1 Oct 2015 #7
Actually, no it doesn't. The Sanders campaign doesn't have David Brock running a Super Pac funded sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #123
What about the African Americans who praise her handling? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #4
There are many things about Hillary's popularity with PoC that puzzle me whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #9
Maybe you should take the time to understand it. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #12
Maybe you should patronize more. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #84
Maybe it's due to the fact that her three closest advisers are two black women and a brown woman. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #14
Is that why? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #19
I suspect folks are more comfortable with folks who are more comfortable with them... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #23
I guess that's why you feel comfortable with Hillary whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #25
Snap azmom Oct 2015 #33
Ouch! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37
If that's a burn I need to acquaint myself with the homogeneous hamlet where it passes for one. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #42
Feel better. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44
I feel as good as you. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #45
Why is there such hostility to "homogenous hamlets"? PotatoChip Oct 2015 #49
Homogenous means same and hamlet means small... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #52
I asked a simple question. PotatoChip Oct 2015 #54
In your haste to libel me you assigned "homogeneous hamlets" a new meaning... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #55
Do you think they are representative of all homogeneous small towns? PotatoChip Oct 2015 #60
No more than I would assume all homogeneous hamlets are poor. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #65
For the most part, they ARE poor. PotatoChip Oct 2015 #70
When I think of homogeneous hamlets I do not think of poor people. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #72
I'd say something about stereotypical thinking, but I won't. PotatoChip Oct 2015 #75
This all started with you accusing me of being a Republican for referring to homogenous hamlets. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #82
What? PotatoChip Oct 2015 #87
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #90
Don't worry, that wasn't libelous. Anyhow... Beartracks Oct 2015 #104
If you believe I am a right wing Democrat there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #38
Pow! melman Oct 2015 #43
I see I have engendered the ire of the entire brigade DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #48
The WHY Goes Deeper & Darker Than That, IMO... ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #34
I'm curious about 2008. I was a Hillary supporter. When the Clintons campaigned in S.C. CentralMass Oct 2015 #30
Name recognition on the part of people who aren't policy wonks. eridani Nov 2015 #116
Funny how praise of Sen Sanders from the Black community doesn't seem to matter marym625 Nov 2015 #126
The OP is referring to an organization known as "Black Lives Matter" arcane1 Oct 2015 #15
Oh, they've spent too much time in Sweden, doncha know--they don't know what's good for 'em!! MADem Oct 2015 #36
Her policies are so good because she's so popular with so many people Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #81
I'm beginning to wonder, to be honest. sibelian Oct 2015 #96
I dont know them quakerboy Oct 2015 #105
Clinton and her supporters see BLM as nothing but a mere prop to exploit for electoral advantage. arcane1 Oct 2015 #5
LOL. From the group who swore on DU that BLM was a Hillary/Soros funded operation. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #10
Did I say that? n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #13
This thread is interesting to say the least: Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #16
Good catch DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #26
This from the group that is known for anti-Semitic posts about Bernie. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18
Wow. polly7 Oct 2015 #22
Some people have no right to complain about bigotry on DU. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24
To you, too, bmus! polly7 Oct 2015 #27
We're too far out in the boonies for trick or treaters. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #31
Awwww ...... wish I were far enough out to see little sweeties like that. polly7 Oct 2015 #39
Take it from me. Aerows Oct 2015 #41
Oh, man ... I forgot about that. polly7 Oct 2015 #47
Have fun! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46
Sounds like a great night! polly7 Oct 2015 #50
they probably have rabies if you are close enough to see them Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #53
After what Aerows went through, I agree. polly7 Oct 2015 #63
We have now officially entered Bizarroland! CJCRANE Oct 2015 #32
May 26th of this year: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #35
Whoo-eeee SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #134
I'll never forget that either. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #137
Well you are not a Hillary supporter and I am upaloopa Oct 2015 #28
As is no surprise, you are. and many of us are not quakerboy Oct 2015 #108
Y'all must have gotten together jen63 Nov 2015 #127
I think it would depend on who she beats with it. oasis Oct 2015 #8
Good one! whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #11
Maybe it says that people are sick of the blm protesters. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #17
That would be sad...Police need to respect the people they are policing and the people being... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #74
What I Says To Me Is Disturbing, But Not For The ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #20
That's disgusting. (n/t) OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #91
to what "bizarre praise" are you referring? nt msongs Oct 2015 #21
If it was a Bernie supporter Aerows Oct 2015 #40
Looks like full-fledge pre-primary spin doctoring. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #51
I have a better question... luvspeas Oct 2015 #56
Thread winner. So sorry for the crappy prize Number23 Oct 2015 #64
It says BLM protested a black event on racial profiling. bravenak Oct 2015 #57
Sister, I was criticized for being white in this thread... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #62
I'm pretty used to it. bravenak Oct 2015 #66
Being attacked for being white will take me some time to get used to. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #67
I sure see them 'say anything'. bravenak Oct 2015 #69
Sister, is this formulation correct? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #71
Yes. The optics are sure different and with our history? bravenak Oct 2015 #73
In your humble opinion why do you think they fail to understand that... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #78
Is this formulation correct? virtualobserver Oct 2015 #106
We will have to wait to see if supporters of a certain candidate DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #117
What random supporters do is of no importance, what we do know.... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #118
Give us a break, Bernie supporters are attacked for being white everyday in here whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #79
Right??? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #80
I never criticized folks for their race... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #88
How is it a criticism whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #92
I identify with her because she reminds me of myself or idealized self... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #94
Seriously? Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #61
That consistency is the hobgoblin of people whose TURN it isnt? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #68
That HRC Supporters Are Duplicitous cantbeserious Oct 2015 #77
Many Hillary supporters here are conservatives. Should we expect any better? Broward Oct 2015 #83
It says she's not afraid of confrontation and activism. applegrove Oct 2015 #85
Like a top... whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #89
ummmm .............. they were 'escorted out'. polly7 Oct 2015 #93
They were escorted out after 15 minutes. They were given applegrove Nov 2015 #112
That's convenient. It would be just TERRIBLE if it really said she hadn't the faintest interest sibelian Oct 2015 #99
They are dripping with Hypocrisy. Phlem Oct 2015 #86
Bingo MissDeeds Oct 2015 #97
Can't possibly image who you are referring to... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #101
Not sure who that is, but that person wouldn't get another minute of my time. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #119
They have exposed themselves with this one AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #95
They don't give a shit. There is a mirror in front of their mind's eye. sibelian Oct 2015 #98
They remind me of someone in that respect Dragonfli Nov 2015 #114
Maybe it has something to do... iandhr Oct 2015 #100
And that doesn't apply to Clinton's "I wish they had listened" because........? jeff47 Nov 2015 #122
When did she say that? iandhr Nov 2015 #130
After the rally. jeff47 Nov 2015 #131
As a Clinton supporter I would say "didn't listen" was a poor choice of words. iandhr Nov 2015 #133
Its always about HRC Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #102
BLM shouldn't hold its breathe about getting... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #103
It means that Hillary and her supporter's don't give a damn about BLM Bernblu Oct 2015 #107
HDD Honor Deficit Disorder and a whole lotta TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #109
What a bazaar OP. riversedge Oct 2015 #110
My sentiments exactly mcar Oct 2015 #111
To me it says emotional investment in a politician is never a good thing; it colors the perspective. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #115
If someone praised Hillary for this AND scolded Bernie, they are a disgusting hypocrite demwing Nov 2015 #120
I think some of their support has no regard for her actions or record. A sort of celebrity worship. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #121
It says 'hypocrisy' of mammoth proportions, and has completely destoyed the credibility of sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #124
Hillary's campaign is frightened of losing the African American vote Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #128
HRC's backers want her to be tough. Ask people why they like her, the answer is often about rhett o rick Nov 2015 #135
Can we talk more about the issues that #BlackLivesMatter seeks to address, like racial profiling, WIProgressive88 Nov 2015 #129
Yes it is important for us all to support Black Lives Matter Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #136
OK, all I've seen so far SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #132

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
2. "At this point I wouldn't be surprised if supporters praised her for beating someone with a stick"
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:01 PM
Oct 2015

This seems inappropriate.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
3. The emotional rationalization exists on both sides but I do feel there is
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:03 PM
Oct 2015

An element of the "cult of personality" on the Clinton side that exceeds Sanders. Mainly I think in big part Clinton is an identity candidate whereas Sanders is an issues candidate.

The identity and branding in the Clinton camp it makes the issues a secondary consideration. I doubt most people who support Clinton could give you policy specifics past Democrat boilerplate.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
6. I would say the opposite...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, civil rights hero's endorsements, and is supremely qualified.

Bernie fans are grasping at emotion.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
29. not saying she doesnt have lots of policy ideas but I think Non DU
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:30 PM
Oct 2015

Support is mainly a branding and identity thing. Most regular off the street folks probably just support her because of the Clinton brand and her gender and the fact they think she can win and Bernie can't.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Btw endosements usually mean little other than the endorser thinks so and so will will win and wants to be on the right side of that bet.

Think of it as more of a prediction than an endorsement.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
59. Very fair post.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:10 PM
Oct 2015

I do think endorsements are a little bigger than that though. One example. At a minimum, Hillary has gotten indirect access to each endorsers email list once. Some endorsers will send more than one and include links for donations. Through her endorsers alone she has inderictly contacted millions of people using none of her own funds.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
113. I have told Sherrod Brown twice today
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:42 AM
Nov 2015

That the endorsement for Hillary cost them money. I would not be donating to them, the DNC and to either of my two senators this election cycle.

I hadn't received an email before and am not sure how I got on the mailing list. But two solicitations in one day, I guess the first one was yesterday but I was busy.

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First one:

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This is not how our democracy is supposed to work. Dark money groups, backed by right-wingers like Karl Rove and the Koch brothers, should not have more say than people in Toledo, or Akron, or Cincinnati.

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2nd one

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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
123. Actually, no it doesn't. The Sanders campaign doesn't have David Brock running a Super Pac funded
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:59 PM
Nov 2015

untold amounts of money made possible by Citizens United, used to spread lies about Hillary and plant them in the media.

It doesn't have the Candidate claiming to be a 'victim' of Hillary's sexism.

It doesn't have supporters of Bernie attempting to spread lies about Hillary eg, that she has 'dual loyalty' among other things.

What Bernie supporters Are doing and will do is to go after those vile, corporate funded dirty tricks and nasty talking points.

The INITIATORS of nastiness are to blame, not those who respond to them.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. What about the African Americans who praise her handling?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:04 PM
Oct 2015

Are you saying they don't care about black lives?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
14. Maybe it's due to the fact that her three closest advisers are two black women and a brown woman.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:10 PM
Oct 2015

They have been by her side and she has been by their side for decades and not just window dressing for the latest election putsch, ergo:



http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/hillary-clinton-inside-circle-huma-abedin

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
23. I suspect folks are more comfortable with folks who are more comfortable with them...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:22 PM
Oct 2015

It's how we make all kinds of decisions from choosing a physician to choosing a mate. I would add that most folks establish some level of competency in choosing the former, akin to how they choose someone to be their leader.

If you have to convince somebody you're down , you probably are not.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
42. If that's a burn I need to acquaint myself with the homogeneous hamlet where it passes for one.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

Thank you in advance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
55. In your haste to libel me you assigned "homogeneous hamlets" a new meaning...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:07 PM
Oct 2015

Kennebunkport is a homogeneous hamlet. Hobe Sound is a homogeneous hamlet. Carmel is a homogeneous hamlet.

How are homogeneous hamlets synonomus with poor people?

Thank you in advance

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
65. No more than I would assume all homogeneous hamlets are poor.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

No more than I would assume all homogeneous hamlets are poor. That was the inference you made so you could libel me.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
70. For the most part, they ARE poor.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

Very poor. Places like Kennebunkport are the exception to the rule. Very BIG exception.

I would have to drive hours to see "hamlets" such as those.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
72. When I think of homogeneous hamlets I do not think of poor people.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:29 PM
Oct 2015

The first time I used it in this thread was to denote a rarefied milieu where verbal jousting like playing The Dozens is not valued.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
75. I'd say something about stereotypical thinking, but I won't.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:37 PM
Oct 2015

Accusing people and entire regions one knows very little about of a certain kind of behavior, based on a certain way one thinks they live, is pretty low, in my opinion.

So I won't be going there.

ETA: These implications have been going on for months about white Vermont and Bernie from a lot of people.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
82. This all started with you accusing me of being a Republican for referring to homogenous hamlets.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:43 PM
Oct 2015

And you are making wild assumptions about me; for instance where I was raised, by whom I was raised by, who my seminal influences were, who my friends and associates are and were, and so on and so forth...

I make no assumptions about you, except the fact you thought you could libel me and failed...Actually, that's not an assumption, it's an observation.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
90. Res ipsa loquitur
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:50 PM
Oct 2015
Why is there such hostility to "homogenous hamlets"? I thought only the R's hated poor people.

-Potato Chip

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
104. Don't worry, that wasn't libelous. Anyhow...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:04 PM
Oct 2015

... I suspect "homogeneous hamlet" is their way of saying that, as a Bernie supporter, you must be, by definition, from a small village of Volvo-driving white people.

=================

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
38. If you believe I am a right wing Democrat there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:38 PM
Oct 2015



I would respond in kind to your ad hominem attack but I want to be here for you as you work your way through Elisabeth Kubler- Ross' Five Stages Of Grief. You are at the Anger And Denial stage. I want to be here for you while you work your way through all Five Stages, the final one which is Acceptance.




ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
34. The WHY Goes Deeper & Darker Than That, IMO...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:33 PM
Oct 2015

I'm not overly concerned if those who support Hillary want to attack me for supporting Bernie, and will reply to my comments negatively. It's the CONCERN I have about what it says about THIS Democratic Party.

I've been a political activist for so very many, many years and I know what it means to lose. It comes with the territory. The Republican Party is KNOWN for going down the yellow brick road, but I'm now watching Democrats going down a path of it's own. Haven't given it a proper name as yet.


CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
30. I'm curious about 2008. I was a Hillary supporter. When the Clintons campaigned in S.C.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:31 PM
Oct 2015

Bill, during an interview, answered a question regarding Senator Obama having the black vote sewn up and made a comment that when Jesse Jackson ran he also had the majority black vote in S.C. They were skewered as being race baiters. Jesse Jackson himself said that he was not offended by the comment. Yet it stuck, as did if I recall Hillary making comments about LBJ passing Civil Right legislation in 60's. She was skewered by the press and by members of the African American community.

Is this all just political bullshit ? Sanders has a good record and heart when it comes to Civil Rights, dating back to his college days.
Is the just political operatives trying to use the issue as a political weapon ?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
116. Name recognition on the part of people who aren't policy wonks.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:57 AM
Nov 2015

Most PoC aren't, just like everybody else.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. The OP is referring to an organization known as "Black Lives Matter"
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:11 PM
Oct 2015

Please stay on topic or start your own OP about individual black lives.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
36. Oh, they've spent too much time in Sweden, doncha know--they don't know what's good for 'em!!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:36 PM
Oct 2015

Extreme for the irony-impaired.

Reference

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
81. Her policies are so good because she's so popular with so many people
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:42 PM
Oct 2015

that her policies are so good because she's popular with so many people that her policies are so good because she's popular with so many people etc.

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
105. I dont know them
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:05 PM
Oct 2015

The African Americans I best know and most respect (my family) haven't stopped posting pro-Bernie stuff online, so I'm going to guess they aren't overly impressed by the handling.

My personal take is that "better than what trump would have done" is not a very high bar to meet, I'd prefer a candidate that can do good, not just better than worst.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. Clinton and her supporters see BLM as nothing but a mere prop to exploit for electoral advantage.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

We all knew that, of course, but now it's clear for all to see.

Whose cause will they exploit next?

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
10. LOL. From the group who swore on DU that BLM was a Hillary/Soros funded operation.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:07 PM
Oct 2015

The projection, it Berns.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. This from the group that is known for anti-Semitic posts about Bernie.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:14 PM
Oct 2015

Considering the fact that you had a post hidden for linking to Stormfront you probably shouldn't start playing the guilt by association game.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
27. To you, too, bmus!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:28 PM
Oct 2015

I'm waiting on my little trick-or-treaters! ........... they'd better hurry or there won't be enough candy left.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
31. We're too far out in the boonies for trick or treaters.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:33 PM
Oct 2015

The only masked marauders we'll see tonight are this kind:



polly7

(20,582 posts)
39. Awwww ...... wish I were far enough out to see little sweeties like that.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

I'm expecting quite a few this year, it's a nice night and no snow yet so they'll be out in full force. Can't wait for them to see what's just inside my door, he he. My friend and I turned my porch into a bit of a haunted house so I'm gonna scare the crap out of them!!!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
41. Take it from me.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:44 PM
Oct 2015

They are not little sweeties. When five of them the size of pit bulls rush your back door because people have been feeding them and nearly make it in the house, you will have a different opinion.

Oh, and you could also go through rabies treatment. That's a barrel of sweetness and light. Nothing like getting shot up directly into the wound that already hurts.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
47. Oh, man ... I forgot about that.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:51 PM
Oct 2015

I'm sorry you had to go through that and am very! glad you were ok, but yeah, that sucks. Best to just look at them through the window and don't use that back door! It's good to see you, Aerows.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. Have fun!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015

It's my favourite holiday, I have some good horror flicks on the dvr and lots of popcorn so I'm all set!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
50. Sounds like a great night!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:57 PM
Oct 2015

I'm supposed to go to the dance here but am not sure yet if I want to. Still thinking about it, I might end up with popcorn and a movie or two too!

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
53. they probably have rabies if you are close enough to see them
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:01 PM
Oct 2015

trust me, raccoons are not something you want a close encounter with.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
63. After what Aerows went through, I agree.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:14 PM
Oct 2015

We have some raccoons up here, but I've never seen one up close - well, except for a couple hit on the road. Good to remember about any animal .. a little rabid fox was stumbling around here a few weeks ago, sad to see, but glad he was gotten rid of before he could harm anyone or anything.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
137. I'll never forget that either.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:10 PM
Nov 2015

Every time someone complains about the sources Bernie supporters cite remind them that at least we don't use Stormfront.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
28. Well you are not a Hillary supporter and I am
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:29 PM
Oct 2015

I know more about us than you do.
I think all these pissed off Bernie supporter posts are because you know your guy won't win the primary.
Denial
Anger
Depression
Bargaining
Acceptance
You are somewhere between anger and depression I think

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
108. As is no surprise, you are. and many of us are not
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:23 PM
Oct 2015

the part you miss is that it has nothing to do with our "guy". It has to do with policy and the future of our country. I will agree there is a high likelihood that many of us are between anger and depression due to the likely hood that Hillary will win the primary and the USA and our futures will lose.

Hopefully bargaining will net us something other than a pure loss. Otherwise I dont see Acceptance happening.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
74. That would be sad...Police need to respect the people they are policing and the people being...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:35 PM
Oct 2015

That would be sad...Police need to respect the people they are policing and the people being policed need to respect the police.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
20. What I Says To Me Is Disturbing, But Not For The
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:19 PM
Oct 2015

reason many may think. I do intend to write him, but the fact that JOHN LEWIS a man I've respected since I was involved with the Civil Rights Movement felt the "need" to address them away from the crowd is a stab in my heart!!

I did post my thoughts on another thread, but I'm a white woman who lived in Texas back then and personally SAW the horrible things that took place. Saw the black & white fountains, saw restaurants, theaters, swimming pools, busses and the many locations that excluded blacks! I'm appalled that JOHN LEWIS and the other leaders from then have either forgotten or have CHOSEN to tamp down this movement because THEY support Hillary speaks volumes. VERY, VERY distressing! Daniel Webster is that the name I'm looking for???

I know what THIS Democratic Party wants, know that they will do what they can to shut Bernie out, but to GO Against what you stood for back then, and to this day are remembered as one of it's prominent leaders from then... YOUR actions speak for what you've become! I suppose any "bed" can find room for a person's supporter.

JOHN, they believe in their cause as you did! Tell ME WHY?? Oh, don't bother I ALREADY know! Call me out for saying this because I support Bernie if you want, but YOU ARE WRONG!

The meaning of the word HYPOCRISY remains the same as it did back then!

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
56. I have a better question...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:09 PM
Oct 2015

Why are you taking a legitimate and sincerely appropriate protest about the death of women, children and innocent men and turning in to adolescent poutrage that your old man got smacked around by justice. Soooooooooo sick of this conjured up conspiracy. And no, I am not a hillary supporter and I am not against sanders either. Im against your nasty attitude.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
64. Thread winner. So sorry for the crappy prize
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

There are several Bernie supporters in the AA forum right now as revolted by the intellectual dishonesty and BS in this forum right now as the rest of us. And who are saying the exact same thing that you just said.

I expected to log on and see the front page riddled with this mess and was not surprised that it was but the rec count was far lower than I expected. And I suspect because alot of folks feel about this the same way as you and I. Yet another low point for DU.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
62. Sister, I was criticized for being white in this thread...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:13 PM
Oct 2015

It was an accident of birth for which I had no control.

I have a question...

As an African American how does it feel to have your community turned into a political football?


Thank you in advance.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
66. I'm pretty used to it.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

Look how they look!!!
They have no clue what they are talking about just blah blah blah! It is not gonna work. We are so tired of being fear of lossed into something that nothing they can say will work this time.
I think they forgot their OWN REACTION TO BLM. I do not see us harassing black folks for not loving Hillary.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
67. Being attacked for being white will take me some time to get used to.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:20 PM
Oct 2015

I guess when folks get upset they get so discombobulated they will say anything.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
69. I sure see them 'say anything'.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

I wonder if they see how crazy it is to think that we blacks are going to pick the one group of blacks over the other group when they were both focused on the same issue. Protesters expect to get removed. I do not get this whole meltdown.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
71. Sister, is this formulation correct?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:26 PM
Oct 2015

There is a huge difference between black people telling other black people to shut up and white people telling black people to shut up.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
73. Yes. The optics are sure different and with our history?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:34 PM
Oct 2015

Yes. It is very different having the oppressed yell at the oppressed than the privileged yell at and threaten the oppressed.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
78. In your humble opinion why do you think they fail to understand that...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:38 PM
Oct 2015

In your humble opinion why do you think they fail to understand that or perhaps they understand it all too well and that's why many of them have been besides themselves since yesterday afternoon?

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
106. Is this formulation correct?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:29 PM
Oct 2015

There is a huge difference between Bernie welcoming protesters to the stage, and Hillary allowing protesters to be hauled out by police.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
117. We will have to wait to see if supporters of a certain candidate
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:38 AM
Nov 2015

We will have to wait to see if supporters of a certain candidate hound them on the internet, scour all their previous associations, leer into their sexual history, and gaze into their prior religious affiliations.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
118. What random supporters do is of no importance, what we do know....
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 08:15 AM
Nov 2015

is that Hillary supporters don't mind if their candidate has protesters removed from a Hillary rally.
You know in your heart that Hillary supporters would have freaked out if that had occurred at a Bernie rally.



The important thing is how the candidates actually treat people who protest, and the difference is clear.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
88. I never criticized folks for their race...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:48 PM
Oct 2015

And I can't understand why anybody would criticize anybody for an immutable characteristic, any more than I can understand calling somebody who is to the left of Mandela and the Dalai Lama on the Political compass a "right leaning Democrat".

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
92. How is it a criticism
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:56 PM
Oct 2015

to follow your post about PoC identifying strongly enough with color to make it their primary consideration, with a post saying the same about you? Kind of a twisted sympathy play don't ya think?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
94. I identify with her because she reminds me of myself or idealized self...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:59 PM
Oct 2015

I identify with her because she reminds me of myself or my idealized self, someone who has been knocked down many times but has got up even more, nothing to do with she or me being "right leaning Democrats".

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
68. That consistency is the hobgoblin of people whose TURN it isnt?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:20 PM
Oct 2015

It's her turn, that's all you need to know, citizen.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
93. ummmm .............. they were 'escorted out'.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

They didn't get a chance at the mic. She spoke over them before they were removed. Seems to me like she might have been afraid they might ask questions she wasn't prepared to answer ....... jmho.

She also has the best security money can buy - I don't think she gets 'confronted' much or faced with activism she isn't fully prepared for in advance.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
99. That's convenient. It would be just TERRIBLE if it really said she hadn't the faintest interest
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:09 PM
Oct 2015

in black people beyond what she can get out of them.

Wouldn't it?

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
86. They are dripping with Hypocrisy.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:45 PM
Oct 2015

I know super staunch supporter of BLM here on DU that actually started attacking people for questioning their tactics with Bernie and the other side of her mouth was *Praising Hillary* for how she treated them.

The shit is fucked up!

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
119. Not sure who that is, but that person wouldn't get another minute of my time.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 09:09 AM
Nov 2015

Straight to ignore status for not being sincere and playing games. You can't have a sincere conversation/communication with someone that is playing politics that grotesquely.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
95. They have exposed themselves with this one
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:04 PM
Oct 2015

All their BLM outrage was an act. They don't care about black lives, except as a platform for drama. They have zero integrity. They have become a self parody, or as a wise man once said, they are little more than 'performance art'.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
98. They don't give a shit. There is a mirror in front of their mind's eye.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:07 PM
Oct 2015

"I'm a lefty. What do lefty people say? How does what I think make ME feel about ME?"

There isn't a word leaving their mouths that is spoken for any sake other than them hearing themselves say it.

They are empty people.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
100. Maybe it has something to do...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:48 PM
Oct 2015

... with the fact that BLM folks were constantly lectured at and harassed by Bernie supporters on twitter. There have been numerous articles about that.


Many of my politically active African American friends have said Sanders supporters should stop lecturing them on how great Bernie is for black people.

Sanders would have done his campaign a great service if he said something like "these people do not speak for me."

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
122. And that doesn't apply to Clinton's "I wish they had listened" because........?
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

Or did Clinton not speak for Clinton?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
131. After the rally.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015
“I appreciate their passion,” Clinton said once they had departed. “But I’m sorry they didn’t listen because some of what they’re demanding, I am offering.”


http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/10/30/protesters-chanting-black-lives-matter-interrupt-hillary-clintons-atlanta-speech/

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
133. As a Clinton supporter I would say "didn't listen" was a poor choice of words.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:50 PM
Nov 2015

This might ave between better.

"I support a good portion of the policy changes they are advocating for."


But as you know sometimes in politics facts don't matter. Fairly or unfairly a narrative was stuck to Sanders and before he could address BLMs issues many had already tuned him out. That was my only point.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
102. Its always about HRC
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:53 PM
Oct 2015

What I have find bizarre is that activists still are asking for HRC full justice reform platform not bits and pieces


Both Sanders and O'Malley put out their plans for justice reform, restoring the middle class,student debt/education and more

#Earnthisvote
We are not giving away our votes

BLM has asked DNC for added debate dealing with issues that affect the black community


tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
103. BLM shouldn't hold its breathe about getting...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:03 PM
Oct 2015

A debate. DWS and the DNC want to give as little exposure as possible to everyone besides the chosen one.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
107. It means that Hillary and her supporter's don't give a damn about BLM
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

They just used it to bash Sanders. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, BLM is expendable and the protesters can be thrown out their butts. Hillary will do zilch for BLM should she become president except give them lip service. It also means that Hillary and her supporters will do and say anything if they think it will win them a few votes.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
115. To me it says emotional investment in a politician is never a good thing; it colors the perspective.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:16 AM
Nov 2015

What I perceive is not necessarily a wish that the country elect the person who might right the apple cart... rather a group of people who NEED to see a person elected for reasons having nothing to do with said cart.

It is entirely possible that the person "most qualified" to be President isn't necessarily the best person to lead the country.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
120. If someone praised Hillary for this AND scolded Bernie, they are a disgusting hypocrite
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 09:14 AM
Nov 2015

and if their candidate accepts that praise, then that candidate isn't worth a damn.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
121. I think some of their support has no regard for her actions or record. A sort of celebrity worship.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 11:53 AM
Nov 2015

The blind faith comes first, then the rationalizations and excuses are contrived afterward.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
124. It says 'hypocrisy' of mammoth proportions, and has completely destoyed the credibility of
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 01:02 PM
Nov 2015

whole lot of people.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
128. Hillary's campaign is frightened of losing the African American vote
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015

however escorting BLM out of her public event doesn't send the right message

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
135. HRC's backers want her to be tough. Ask people why they like her, the answer is often about
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 04:33 PM
Nov 2015

how tough she is. Some people like that.

WIProgressive88

(314 posts)
129. Can we talk more about the issues that #BlackLivesMatter seeks to address, like racial profiling,
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015

police brutality, and mass incarceration, instead of constantly making these protests about our white candidates and their white supporters? #BlackLivesMatter is raising issues that are literally life or death for our African American friends, and we are trivializing these issues by making them about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders rather than Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland, and countless others. None of our candidates is perfect on racial justice, so let's hope that #BlackLivesMatter continues to push ALL of them, and let's all push right alongside them.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
132. OK, all I've seen so far
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

Is The Hill's short clip of the beginning and a text description of the rest, but based on that, if she were popped out and Bernie were popped in, it's my opinion he would have been excoriated, possibly by some who are good with Hillary's actions.

No, I can't speak for others or know for sure, but that is my feeling.

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