#hillarysoblack? #bowdownhillary?

[MannyGoldstein]

Are these disgusting hash tags a thing yet, like they were for Bernie after his respectful approach to BLM disruptors, who were allowed the stage and not physically dragged away by security? Folks suddenly calling Hillary a White Supremacists?

If not - then I never want to hear another @#$%ing thing in my life about the evils of Bernie Supporters. I've had a snootful of these attacks. Enough of the manufactured bull$#@& from people who are either stupid or nefarious.

Enough.

Enough.

[icuc]

1. Enough is enough eom

[kelliekat44]

348. I don't think they were "allowed" on the stage. I think they came up on the stage. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

2. You're still sore and bitter about what happened to Bernie in Seattle?

You really should get over it and move on.

[HerbChestnut]

5. We'd love to

But a certain group of supporters on this forum won't let it go and constantly remind us how racist and out of touch Bernie is.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. I haven't seen any posts here that said Bernie is a racist.

Got a link by any chance?

[beam me up scottie]

11. How about a poll?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552162

[polly7]

15. One of those posters is one who posted over 'there', all the racist stuff.

I'd never heard of him/her ...... didn't realize he/she was even here. And I got a hide for that one.

[beam me up scottie]

20. They targeted me too.

I'm amazed that some of them even dared to show their face here after reading all of the bigoted posts at that site.

[polly7]

22. Takes a lot of gall, that's for sure. nt.

[Capt. Obvious]

284. Oh but that's just people framing them

Most likely Bernie supporters. They'll stop at nothing.

[beam me up scottie]

285. Busted!

[Marty McGraw]

310. Good to see you

I was wondering you may have taken a well earned break to sanity since I haven't been seeing you around much lately.

Always fun reading your posts!

[beam me up scottie]

319. Thanks!

I've been trying to stay away from GDP but jumped back into the fray this weekend.

Good to see you as well!

[sabrina 1]

339. Sorry, we all got a peek at that site. Once was enough.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. So the poster I was replying to was referring to a poll

from two months ago?

Thats what he was referring to when he said people constantly call Bernie a racist?

[beam me up scottie]

21. Watch out for those moving goalposts, folks!

High-larious!

[Cali_Democrat]

23. Quote from the post I was replying to...

But a certain group of supporters on this forum won't let it go and constantly remind us how racist and out of touch Bernie is.

Who is constantly reminding us of how racist Bernie is?

[beam me up scottie]

30. Cali_Democrat: "I haven't seen any posts here that said Bernie is a racist"

You wanted a link and I provided one.

Keep digging, you might want to get some gloves though, those blisters can be painful.

[MannyGoldstein]

38. Clearly, Cali_Democrat is not a serious poster. nt

[beam me up scottie]

47. It has to be performance art.

No serious person would set themselves up like that on purpose.

[MannyGoldstein]

75. Leonard Pinth Garnell would be proud. nt

[marym625]

163. please note,

"..haven't seen posts here.."

[beam me up scottie]

165. Good catch!

They're trying to prevent any more screenshots from being posted.

[marym625]

174. They love the drama.

Sometimes I feel like playing, sometimes I don't. Today, not so much. Just wanted to point out the caveat.

Enjoy!

[BeanMusical]

343. What?

But, but, but the funniest ones haven't been posted yet!

[beam me up scottie]

346. Oh I can't wait.

Like I said, some people have no right to lecture others - on anything.

[sabrina 1]

357. Oh they've lost that right, permanently. Though some of us didn't have to wait for this to happen.

All credibility GONE!

[beam me up scottie]

351. That reminds me, time to kick cali's thread again. Brb...

[cui bono]

398. Really?

[BeanMusical]

438. Eventually someone will leak screenshots of the hidden or inaccessible forums.

It's inevitable in echo chambers like this one.

[cui bono]

446. I've seen a bunch...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=647936

Unbelievable that these characters think they still have the high moral and ethical ground.

[George II]

149. There you go Cali_D - the best they can do is a poll from two months ago...

Yeah, those "goal posts" sure moved a lot.

[beam me up scottie]

158. Good thing you showed up to help, Cali D dropped the goalposts and ran!

Perhaps you can show me where they asked for something more recent, George?

Star Member Cali_Democrat (26,116 posts)

8. I haven't seen any posts here that said Bernie is a racist.

Got a link by any chance?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=750995

[Cali_Democrat]

169. I asked for posts

You pulled up a random online poll from two months ago and pointed to people's votes.

It's pretty funny though. That's all you got.

[beam me up scottie]

171. After I posted proof you're still trying to claim no one thinks Bernie is a racist?

Wow, how big is that shovel?

[Cali_Democrat]

180. So the only proof you have

is a few votes in a random online poll from two months ago?

I asked for posts.

LOL.

[beam me up scottie]

181. So the answer is yes, DUers do think that Bernie is a racist.

You're welcome!

Do try to word it differently next time, that poll is pretty damning.

[sabrina 1]

400. Just a small correction. I don't think they THINK that about Bernie. It's worse than that,

they are using race as a political ploy. There is no doubt in my mind, that for those who engage in the same old negative campaigning and Corporate funded dirty tricks, the truth does not matter one bit. Which is the reason we must get the money out of our political system. THIS kind of nastiness is what it buys and destroys the process cheating the people out of what they deserve, a campaign that allows them to get to know the candidates and where they stand ON THE ISSUES. It is thoroughly despicable.

[merrily]

262. Do you want to post that no DUers have posted or implied that Bernie is racist?

If not, you should stop the silly games. If so, LMAO.

[sabrina 1]

370. Well I am glad to see you say that all the garbage about Bernie and BLM never happened.

I must have been dreaming, or having nightmares.

I sure hope so, because if it did happen, which I was certain of until you told us it didn't, it was very ugly.

[George II]

170. Actually no one at that link/poll said Sanders was a racist...........

.........they just agreed with one of MannyGoldstein's choices.

Got any more beam me up scottie?

[beam me up scottie]

175. By voting yes in the 'is Bernie Sanders racist?' poll they are agreeing he's one.

Do try harder, George, this isn't an echo chamber.

[merrily]

252. BOOM!

[beam me up scottie]

254. They should really start using these:

I think it will save them a lot of work.

[merrily]

256. Well, either that or a ouija board.

The powers of reasoning and skillful spin are not doing the job on their own.


Voting in a poll that Sanders is a racist isn't saying Sanders is a racist.



Plus, I just got off a thread saying that the DNC's recognizing someone as a candidate for the Democratic nomination for POTUS to the extent of including them in the Democratic debates does not equal the DNC's recognizing that person as a Democrat.



That's like saying a rose is not a rose and waiting for a rebuttal.

"I'll retire to Bedlam."

[beam me up scottie]

257. Did you read what Skinner had to say about that?

If it's any consolation, I really think this is in a gray area. I do not know the exact details of Bernie Sanders' relationship to the Vermont Democratic Party. My understanding is that he never actually ran in a Democratic primary, although he may have won the Democratic nomination a few times without running for it. Whatever the specifics, there does seem to exist a tacit agreement to not give him any serious Democratic opposition. So the question of whether Bernie Sanders is a Democrat is something of a red herring -- he isn't a Democrat but when he runs for congress he has the support of the Democratic establishment in Vermont and Washington DC. And he is running for the Democratic presidential nomination. So for all intents and purposes he is a Democrat, and I don't really see why anyone on DU would consider his party affiliation to be a worthwhile argument. Having said that, I wouldn't have voted to hide this, as it seems to be a close-enough description of reality. But that's just my opinion.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=8534

If it's good enough for the owner why are they complaining?

[merrily]

258. Thank you, O, ruler of links. With all respect to Skinner, the conclusion is correct; but

the reasoning is wrong. This is not poetry. There is one correct answer and the answer is that, yes, as of May 2015, at least, Sanders is a Democrat.

However, I will bookmark this thread for Skinner's post and my own.

First, who is a Democrat and who is not is, in the first instance, determined by state law, in this case, the law of the State of Vermont. By simply declaring that he is is running for the Democratic nomination for President, as he did in May, 2015, Sanders did all he possibly could do under Vermont law to become a Democrat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128018753em

Second, no one who is not a Democrat is eligible to run for the Democratic nomination for President. That should be self-evident, if even if some DUers pretend it is not. The DNC is the final authority on who is and who is not eligible to run for the Democratic Presidential nomination. From the day that Sanders announced he was running as a Democrat, the DNC has treated him like any other Democratic candidate for POTUS, including inviting him to participate in the Democratic debates. Please not: the operative word in this paragraph is Democrat, duh. (BMUS, obviously, the duh and the tone are not for you or, for that matter, for Skinner.)

[beam me up scottie]

259. Yep, as a Vermonter I know the facts.

But you know how some people on DU are experts at everything because they say they are.

[merrily]

263. OMG! I just caught on! It's Halloween! We're being pranked!

[beam me up scottie]

265. That has to be it! They really had us going.

[merrily]

266. Bring candy next year, willya!

Meh. At least they didn't TP the Sanders Group.

[merrily]

318. True, but I was in the Halloween spirit. All Saints Day is much more solemn.

If anyone has a fist-shaking emoticon, please pm me.

I apologize. DU has just gotten so ridiculous, I have trouble responding seriously some times. But, yes, the online equivalent of TP'ing goes on here all the time. So does the online equivalent of a bowel movement. Some of the latter get hidden; some do not.

[Marty McGraw]

311. And just for the occasion

You get your choice of the best ripe desert gourd!



http://www.desertusa.com/ovr/du_orvpupkin.html

[merrily]

315. Cool. I love choices! Thanks.

[Warren DeMontague]

287. That answer he gave is pure fucking gold.

So when i vote yes in a poll "do you think playing nickelback on your car stereo with the windows open should be a felony", im not actually saying i think playing nickelback on a car stereo with windows open should, actually, be a felony... I'm just "selecting a choice"

What the everloving FUCK. I honestly dont think i could come up with a weaker argument if i went out and tried.

Hysterical.

On the actual question of nickelback and felonies.... Mark me down as "undecided".

[beam me up scottie]

288. If I said water was wet he'd argue with me.

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He'd be all like but what happens when it freezes??? Huh?

[Warren DeMontague]

324. Now, see, THAT is handing someone's ass to them, in an argument.

I hope folks are taking notes.

[beam me up scottie]

325. More of the Not Good Enough philosophy from that camp.

I DEMAND PROOF!

*link posted*

*moves goalposts*

I DEMAND ANOTHER KIND OF PROOF!

ARGLE BARGLE!

[sabrina 1]

401. Just to keep things honest. If you said BERNIE said water was wet, you would get an argument.

But I'm equally certain that if you said that Hillary said water was DRY, you would be accused of 'hating' her if you disagreed!

[A Simple Game]

294. I think that one is trying as hard as he can already. Yes it is sad. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

296. I have no idea what he was trying to accomplish.

I mean really, the poll couldn't be any simpler.

[A Simple Game]

297. There is not an original idea in the entire bunch, just a page from the

Republican playbook, "if you don't know what to do or say, just be against what the other team is for."

It's all they can do.

[George II]

347. I could never try harder than you beam me up scottie. Got any REAL "proof" of it? We'll wait.....

...at least until Super Tuesday. Thanks!

[beam me up scottie]

350. How hard were you trying when you posted this hilarious "Bankster Bernie" meme?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251640125



You sure have a funny definition of "proof" if you thought that was true.

I saw it on the interwebs, it must be true!

Say it ain't so, George!

[George II]

353. There you go, beam me up scottie - your specialty, pulling up old links. What does that...

...have to do with anything?

[beam me up scottie]

354. It would explain your strange definiton of "proof", George.

Voting "yes" in the 'is Bernie a racist poll' isn't proof that HC supporters think he's a racist but finding a meme that is easily disproved and posting it as fact is good enough for you.

[sabrina 1]

404. OMG, you REALLY posted falsehood? And thought ANYONE was going to believe it?

Now I know we don't have to worry too much about Bernie, every lie told by his opponents only enhances his honesty and authenticity and the fact that HE doesn't have to rely on LIES.

Keep up the good work, do you know that when campaigning for Bernie, I USE stuff like this to show potential voters what Hillalry's campaign is doing and then show them the HUGE difference in a campaign that does not take Corporate money and does not engage in these sleazy, old tactics.

It works like a charm. Every time I link to these posts here, the result is universal DISGUST.

But it's great to have it to show people, just telling them about it would be as effective, they probably wouldn't believe it.

[cui bono]

204. LMAO!!!

omg... that is some Sarah Palin spin you got going on there!

By that "logic" people aren't really going to vote for Clinton, they are just agreeing with one of the choices.

[MannyGoldstein]

255. W. T. F.

That is an astonishingly-silly distinction with no functional meaning.

[sabrina 1]

342. Any polls on Independents and all the previously non voters we Bernie supporters have been signing

up for Bernie yet? Can't win with two thirds of the Dem base. Where will Hillary get the necessary cross over votes? Repubs? Disenchanted people who dropped out because of he Status Quo? I'm having no problem getting those people BACK into the system because it's easy to get people excited about Bernie once they see his record and his platform. NOW they believe there is someone who represents them.

[George II]

352. So where are you signing up all of these voters? NY? Better get busy, the last poll in NY...

...showed Clinton up by 40 points.

[sabrina 1]

355. Lol, you just made my point. I got those who were registered with other parties signed up

before the 9th. Guess what, none of them have been polled so far. Those who are NOT registered with any party did not need to the register by the 9th.

So again, where are the polls of all these Bernie supporters? I will be continuing to sign up non voters who can register still for the rest of the campaign. They won't show up in any polls, most do not have landlines for one thing.

Have the traditional polls made NEW lists of new registrants to include in their polls? WILL they continue to add those increasing numbers in NY as more and more non registered voters register to vote for Bernie?

[cui bono]

76. Wow.

Just wow.

[beam me up scottie]

89. Hey at least some of them are honest about it.

Others just post threads linking Bernie to slavery and racist cops.

*wink wink nudge nudge*

[bravenak]

356. Three people agreed with Manny's option? Wow!!! Look at how many agreed that blacks have Stockholm

Syndrome? But I guess saying stuff about blacks like that is fine with you then? No? I didn't think it was, no. I guess harassing that poster is not gonna happen though? It was just about blacks though, no biggie we are used to such.

[sabrina 1]

359. You are aware that many AA, Native Americans, Latinos, Asians here are Bernie supporters?? Who are

being attacked by Hillary supporters? Many have left DU due to the nastiness aimed at them for refusing to be told who they should support?? Did you really not know how MANY minorities were here on DU for whom you do not speak?

Seriously, did you think that only those you personally associate with were the ONLY AAs, on DU?

That is so sad. Because they sure have TRIED to be heard, to make it known they are Bernie supporters and that NO ONE speaks for them.

I'm curious, why did you think otherwise?

[bravenak]

363. Name them.

[sabrina 1]

365. Are you SERIOUS? You really didn't know, did you? That's what we thought. Thanks for the response

and please remember you speak for YOU and no one else.

[bravenak]

368. Who got run off? Are you making stuff up?

[sabrina 1]

374. Oh not all AAs who are Bernie supporters have been run off, they are here. It's sad you never

noticed all those minorities here who do not support Hillary or listened to the reasons why.

There's a lot that you apparently missed. Not important, just confirming what we thought.

The point again, you speak for you, no one else unless they give you permission to do so.

Now back to what really matters, ISSUES.

[bravenak]

375. Ok. Making stuff up. I get it.

[sabrina 1]

376. Thanks, again you confirm that you never knew how many minority DUers are here who speak for

themselves and who support Bernie.

It's quite amazing actually!

[bravenak]

377. Yes. Sabrina I am sure you know better than I what black duers think.

[sabrina 1]

380. The best way to know what people think, ALL people, is to listen to them. As I said, thanks

at least for confirming what we thought.

[bravenak]

381. Yeah. I am sure you listen to other blacks as well as you listen to the ones here. Great job!

[sabrina 1]

382. You should listen to them. But then, as you said, you were not even aware they were here.

[bravenak]

383. They 'appear' only when needed by certain 'people'.

[sabrina 1]

393. How dismissive of DU's minority community, some of whom are right here in this thread.

[bravenak]

395. Who? The ones who only appear when needed to dispute the Povs of DUs regular black posters?

Lol.

[sabrina 1]

396. 'The ones' .... how sad. And a clear example of why many minorities did not feel welcome on DU.

[bravenak]

397. Lolololol!!

[riderinthestorm]

403. Could you possibly be any more insulting to DUs POC who don't agree with you?

You certainly don't speak for me and I'm insulted you think I (or any POC) only respond "on call".

Pretty despicable.

[sabrina 1]

405. I'm sorry that you and others have been treated this way but it's in the open now and any

credibility there might have been, is gone. What an insult that was to DU's minority community. But I for one wasn't the least bit surprised.

What's different about this campaign is that those who are attempting to use the old Rovian smear tactics, lies, deceptions they have succeeded with in the past, are not going to get away with it this time.

They WILL be pushed back relentlessly and all the whining and victim playing will do nothing to stop people who are sick to death of the ugliness from exposing them.

Every attempted smear against Sanders has backfired against them this time. Hopefully they will learn the only candidate they are hurting is their own.

One good use for the ugly tactics is to show them to people we are signing up for Bernie. Show them what Hillary's campaign is about as opposed the refreshing, honest campaign, free of corporate funding, Bernie is running.

People need to see this, and we have it right here on this forum to link to.

May as well use it all for something worthwhile.

[AgingAmerican]

413. Indeed, they got caught with their pants down again

And no amount of backpedaling can undo it

[sabrina 1]

414. Nope, no amount at all. They're done! Now we can move on to discuss actual ISSUES which I note

were never of much interest unless smearing good candidates is considered an important issue!

[bravenak]

407. I am talking about black duers, not poc in general, not you.

[riderinthestorm]

411. I'm bi-racial. And I dont give a shit if you were only talking about AAs

The doubling down on this insult is grotesque.

[sabrina 1]

415. Yes it is. But it's better to see the whole ugly game played out early in this campaign.

Benie has been a champion of the rights of Women, Gays, Minorities his entire life and any attempt to try to diminish that record was bound to backfire as it is as more and more POC learn about him.

I'm almost glad they started this early in the campaign so it could be completely exposed and thrown in the trash where it belongs.

[riderinthestorm]

423. She's fucking stalking me in real life!!

"Ugly game"?

How about scary game?

I'm stunned. I don't have any online presence - no blog, no public art or publications. I've never had a public persona. How the hell did she get my email?

Anyone else think this is not ok?!

[AgingAmerican]

431. Hmmm

She claims people are doing same to her. It is not OK what she is doing, but sunlight is the best disinfectant so thanks for exposing this.

[sabrina 1]

434. No it is not ok! Your private email? Or DU mail? I'm sorry, seriously, that IS scary.

[riderinthestorm]

436. Private email. I'm blown away

She also says she googled the name on the email for pictures (of which none of those pictures are me) so she's really gone down the rabbit hole.

[bravenak]

416. When was I ever talking about you or caring what you are? I do not.

Besides I looked up your photo based on yr email addy. Yeah right.

[riderinthestorm]

421. Now you're stalking me in real life?! WTF??

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Are you unhinged? How the hell did you get my email address?!

Please note that my picture does not come up when you google the email address name. NONE of those people are me.

And yes, you DID specifically refer to me in your post.

It doesn't matter though anyway even if I were blue, your point that black BS supporters only appear by beck and call is disgusting. You do NOT speak for AAs. Your presumption that you do is delusional.

[bravenak]

425. You sent me your email address. In your PM before I BLOCKED YOU FROM PMing me. Keep pretending.

It's funny.

[riderinthestorm]

428. No I didn't. You are making shit up

Fucking scary.

Leave me the hell alone. You're taking this beyond the boundaries of a discussion board and its sick.

Your obsession with all of this is unhealthy.

[bravenak]

429. YOU STARTED BOTHERING ME. HENCE ME BLOCKING YOUR PMS. HOW ABOUT LEAVE ME ALONE?

If you are so smart, look at the pm. Lololol! How about this? I can put you on full block now. Yay!

[riderinthestorm]

430. I did check them and I've never given anyone my email address

Ever.

Your all-caps posts stink of desperation.

And I didn't bother you, you alert stalked me. My only hide has been from you bravenak. Its all out in the open on my transparency page.

[bravenak]

426. BTW. I WOULD NEVER REFER TO YOU IN ANY POST ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. YEAH RIGHT.

[sheshe2]

447. I saw your website.....

[riderinthestorm]

448. I don't have a website.

My business does.

Are you stalking me in real life too? That's a TOS violation.

Sick

My personal internet presence is zero. But if you're stalking me in real life, that's grounds to speak to Skinner. This is frightening and beyond despicable.

[sheshe2]

449. No.

Not stalking you.

Your business website was posted, I saw it. Your horses are beautiful. I grew up with horses. One Western, and one English. Whitie and Rex. They were beautiful even when we had to muck out their stalls. Yup, a lot of work, yet it was worth it. They were magnificent.

Not sure why my post wants to make you so frightened and makes you want to run to Skinner. ?????? I insulted you by saying your horses are beautiful? They are magnificent creatures. I road the Western saddle, my sister the English. Rex was way to feisty for me.

So very sorry I gave you a scare. It was posted on the internet and I responded. So sorry, will never again give you kudos for your beautiful horses. I understand that it is not welcome.

K~ We are done.

[beam me up scottie]

450. Knock it off, she.

You know damned well that riderinthestorm was worried about being stalked and you just had to let them know you had been to their website.

Members of your website have been trying to dig up information on Bernie supporters who post here and it needs to stop now.

This has gone way too far, stop trying to intimidate other DUers.

[sheshe2]

458. Try reading my posts to her.

We had a pretty nice discussion. She welcomed me to her barn. Try to read and understand BEFORE you comment. It makes you look bad.

[beam me up scottie]

459. I did, you mentioned her website after she complained about being stalked.

You're not fooling anyone.

I have been stalked in real life and now members of your site are trying to find my facebook page, it's not funny.

[sheshe2]

461. Did you actually take the time to read when we spoke....

Obviously not.

We talked about horses , she has them now and I had them then. I think you need to step back and breath before you respond. You are all over the place. Sssssh, please read and listen before you respond.

[beam me up scottie]

462. Sure you did.

I know all about horses, she, and too much about stalkers.

Just let your friends know that following people around and trying to dig up info on them isn't cool.

[sheshe2]

465. Hmmmm~

I know all about horses, she, and too much about stalkers.

Just let your friends know that following people around and trying to dig up info on them isn't cool.

You know about horses and stalkers, are they one in the same?

FYI, are you threatening me? Sure sounds like it. Chill.

[beam me up scottie]

468. Asking you to tell your friends to stop trying to find info on us is threatening you?

I think you have that backwards.

[sabrina 1]

473. I am joining you in making that request.

[William769]

463. You mean like the private facebook page?

You're not fooling anyone.

And if you have any proof of that claim you should post it. I'm sure all of us would love to see it.

And speaking about trying to intimidate DUers? Have you looked in a mirror lately?

At least you got one thing right. It needs to stop.

[beam me up scottie]

464. My facebook page you guys have been trying to find?

Have you had any luck?

I keep asking BainsBane if she found it but she won't answer me.

Like I said, I've been stalked before and you guys aren't going to intimidate me.

Keep it up, though. Let everyone see who the real bullies are.

[William769]

466. Didn't say it was yours.

Just one that certain people belong to but have to keep it private because they are to damn chicken shit to let people see what they say.

[beam me up scottie]

467. You don't know why people keep their facebook pages private?

Maybe because of internet stalkers who try to find personal information.

It's disturbing that you guys are still trying to find it.

[William769]

469. Once again show proof that anyone is trying to find it.

I only found out of it's existence from a former member.

What's disturbing is the stalkers that http://www.hillaryclintonsupporters.com has. You would be a case in point. Would love to know how many times you keep mentioning the site. We can start by counting the times right here in this thread.

have a nice day.

[beam me up scottie]

471. How can one "stalk" a website that you advertise here?:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=617171


And you should ask BainsBane about trying to find my facebook page, she's the one who brought it up in this thread.

In fact, that's the third time you guys have asked me about it.

Is there a reason why you all are so fascinated with me?

[sheshe2]

479. Beam!

Let us turn that question around,,,,

And you should ask BainsBane about trying to find my facebook page, she's the one who brought it up in this thread.

In fact, that's the third time you guys have asked me about it.

Is there a reason why you all are so fascinated with me?

Uuuum...posting screen shot after screen shot about a link that WAS FIRST POSTED AT DU IN THE ISRAEL PALESTINE GROUP!!!! You had no problem with it there, you ignored it. Lol~


You are making stuff up. You make issues where there are none, why is that? Why do you do that? WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SO FASCINATED WITH US.

[beam me up scottie]

480. You mean posting examples of anti-Semitism from another website?

In particular the post where someone accused Bernie of being funded by Israel:






I would do the same thing if it was sexism or racism, don't you think that bigotry should be called out whenever we see it, sheshe?

And highlighting bigotry from another website is quite different than stalking a DUer's facebook page, emailing them or posting their personal website for no other reason than to intimidate.

I already explained all this to BainsBane downthread, perhaps you missed it.


I'll ask you the same question, if you don't think that was anti-Semitic why didn't you post in my thread about the subject?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251624166

[sheshe2]

472. This will sound silly.....

Yet you are the first true sense of warmth I felt in this thread. I tried with one, we have a common denominator, horses. Then two posts later they are trashing us.

I am so done here.

Hugs William, I love you.

[riderinthestorm]

451. I'm frightened my website was posted here

I've tried to ensure my private life didn't intersect with DU. The minimal stuff I've posted that MIGHT be linked has now become a flash point . Folks are actively hunting me outside DU.

That sucks. I have children and a business. I'm terrified that Bravenak has exposed my home life.

I'm clearly a horse pro in the horse business. I welcome friends even as I wish I were more anonymous. Obviously I'm now at that crossroads

And yes, I'm proud of our horses. It's been my life's work. You are alway welcome to my barn

[sheshe2]

456. I am terrified that any one is harrassed and stalked here.

So sadly it is happening. Some people lie. I am appalled.

So back to horses. Rex was nasty and bit you when he could. Whitie, so sweet. He was in several parades, I did not ride him there. He went past the stand and went up on his hind legs, the rider never asked him to, he did it on his own, ha! Show off.

[riderinthestorm]

460. (Hugs) I've never done parades with horses

We just go to recognized competitions. My husband has driven horses in the annual Circus Parade in Baraboo WI. He's a freak in that he's an FEI level rider/trainer who also loves the drafts. He was trained to drive by some of the local guys who recognized a kindred spirit regardless of the fancy breeches

As pros in the industry I don't care if they're biters. One of my husband's advanced Horse trials horses is a terrible biter. Groomed and tacked on cross ties only or you'd be bit. Worse bite I've ever gotten was from him. Years later I bear that raised flesh.... A royal shit. Cold backed too. Fun fun. He loved peppermints though. Would stop all his nonsense when the starlight mint wrapper crinkled...then it was all ears, all pointy nose...

Horses are your family, or mine at least. Their quirks and needs as intimate as my children's.

Thanks for sharing and sorry for the initial prickly response.

[kath]

476. Second bmus on this - you need to notify the admins of the real-life stalking.

IIRC, it is a bannable TOS violation. This shit needs to stop.

[sabrina 1]

470. Why are stalking this poster off DU? They have told you they do not want you following them around

the internet. This is beyond unacceptable. Who else is being 'researched' like this by your group? And for what purpose?

Now several DUers have been the victims of real harassment by the poster you are attempting to defend here. I want zero, nothing to do with your group. The disruption of this website, the harassment of its members is simply shocking.

You have now been told by riderinthestorm they want nothing to do with your group and that they object to you stalking them onine.

I too want zero to do with your group, fortunately I took precautions years ago regarding stalkers who enage in this kind of creepy behavior.

I have heard from other DUers now that similar behavior has been directed at them.

This is truly nasty stuff and should not be happening to decent people who come here to discuss politics.

[Marr]

481. You ought to be banned for that.

That is sick and creepy.

This whole exchange really makes me skeptical about bravenak's earlier claims of having received that letter as well. This is really bottom of the barrel behavior and I wouldn't put anything past people who would do such things.

[beam me up scottie]

452. They are stalking you and you should let Skinner know.

Members of their website are also trying to find my facebook page.

This has gone way too far, trying to dig up personal info on people and using it to intimidate them simply because they disagree with you on DU is beyond the pale.

[riderinthestorm]

453. It's hateful. I'm stunned at the sheer rage

solidarity!

[beam me up scottie]

454. Hang in there.

Horse people are tough, stalkers aren't going to drive us off.

[riderinthestorm]

457. Yup, I'm an expert on horse shit nt

[sabrina 1]

474. It has gone way too far. I was unaware of all of THIS, but have received emails from

other DUers who are experiencing similar things. No one should be engaged in this kind of behavior. What is the purpose of it?

[beam me up scottie]

475. I had to block some from sending me pms but they don't have my email address.

I keep my private life private and even if they find my facebook page they won't learn much about me.

This isn't new, DUers have been stalked for years, but some are doing it now because we support Bernie.

Imo if anyone is caught doing this they should be banned.

[sabrina 1]

477. I absolutely agree. That most definitely should be a banning offense. I have received an

unbelievably nasty PM which is totally unrelated to me filled with vitriol. I have made it clear that I will post these personal attacks, obviously done through PM in order to avoid hides.

This is truly beyond belief. This is at the level of obsession to spend time focused so intensely on people on the internet.

[beam me up scottie]

478. It reminds me of the Conservative Cave.

But DUers are supposed to be fellow liberals, the thought of them hating and stalking other members just because they support another Dem candidate is surreal.

This is why I avoided GDP during the 2008 primaries.

[sabrina 1]

412. Just so long as you don't speak FOR them as you have done, without their permission.

[bravenak]

417. I will do whatever I want whether you like it or not.

[sabrina 1]

422. I know, and contrary to what you may think, I love what you are doing right now. In this thread

TO people who have told outright you do not speak for them. People who were unaware of this, can now see it for themselves.

Sanders' record on the rights of women, gays and minorities is one of the best over the past several decades. That cannot be erased by false personal attacks such as we have seen here.

I now USE these posts from DU to show potential voters what Hillary's campaign is trying to do. The reaction is always overwhelming disgust.

Anyone hovering between both candidates, sees what we have seen here for the past several months and are sold on the candidate who is running a campaign on the ISSUES, not on the same old smear campaign tactics which the public has stated over and over again they are sick of.

My philosophy is when you have lemons, make lemonade!

[bravenak]

424. I do not care Sabrina,about your block of text.

[kenfrequed]

419. I dunno

As far as I'm concerned I have no idea what ethnicity people are on this website. I only know what they claim. I will allow people to claim to be whatever they want, but that courtesy does not extend towards speaking for a whole community as if it is a monolithic entity. There are people on this web site that have decided that they speak for all people of color and I think that is more a tactic than it is a representation.

[sabrina 1]

427. Good post, there are people who thrive on disruption on all forums, but for the most part

DUers are here because they care about this country. A few have appointed themselves to the position of 'speaking for women' the don't, and for minorities, which they don't.

[840high]

455. You must think you're a legend in the

black community. Sad.

[bravenak]

483. Better known than you are I suspect.

[840high]

484. You never know.

[bravenak]

485. I do. I can tell. Most would ignore such.

[beam me up scottie]

360. What are you on about now?

Look at how many agreed that blacks have Stockholm
Syndrome? But I guess saying stuff about blacks like that is fine with you then?

Go back and read that thread, you'll notice that I asked the op to delete it.

[bravenak]

364. Do you follow him with links?

And bother the people who supported that trash? Or do they just get a pass on bigotry? Are you selective in the bigotry you run around accusing folks of? Because I have see WAY MORE OF THAT TYPE OF STUFF from one side against blacks that from the other side against ALL MARGINALIZED GROUPS PUT TOGETHER. So I be laughing.

[beam me up scottie]

366. You mean like the anti-Semitic dog whistle you posted?

Seriously - after that post you have no right to lecture anyone else about bigotry.

[bravenak]

367. Oh. My Post about my uncle's church sharing Hillary's faith? HOW IS THAT ANTISEMETIC???

That is a serious charge that I will have to ask you to take back unless you can tell me how saying my uncles christian congregation who already Liked Hillary and Bill liking that Hillary shares their faith is an antisemetic statement??? This slander is unconcionable and I am dissappointed you keep repeating slurs about me. As an atheist I wish we did not even have to deal with religion, but my reporting on a conversation between myself and an uncle on the opinions and feelings of his congregation IS NOT ANTISEMITISM!!! So take it back unless you enjoy slandering people.

[beam me up scottie]

369. Others called you out on it too so spare me the outrage.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=728834

[bravenak]

371. Post it BMUS!! Prove your CLAIM OF MY ANTISEMITISM OR TAKE IT BACK!!

Blaming other for YOUR ACCUSATION IS NOT PROOF. You called me antisemite. Prove it. SHOW US MY ANTISEMITIC STATEMENT!! Just because you and a few buddies decide to make something seem different to fit your agenda does not give you the right to call me names and then blame nameless faceless others for your SLUR!! SPARE ME YOUR SLURS IN THE FUTURE AND I WILL SPARE YOU OF ME. I want an apology. Or just admit you were mistaken on my meaning. But stop sluring me or I will have to call you out and ask for proof each and every time and you will not have it. It does not exist.

[beam me up scottie]

372. I didn't call you anything, I said you used a dog whistle and you did.

Other posters heard it too, it's not some nefarious conspiracy against you.

[bravenak]

373. WHAT IS THE DOG WHISTLE BMUS???

I think you guys thought you had something and failed to fully read. That is sad. Stop saying things you cannot prove about me BMUS. I hate yelling.

[beam me up scottie]

378. It was specified in that thread, I'm not going to rehash it here.

If you hadn't accused me of supporting the Stockholm syndrome op after I specifically objected to it and then claimed that wasn't good enough for you I wouldn't have brought it up at all.

Now that the record is corrected I'm done with you.

[bravenak]

379. You guys made it up, like I said.

[sabrina 1]

402. You've made some pretty serious and false charges against DUers here. As has already been said,

you forfeited any right to this 'outrage'.

[bravenak]

408. Yeah right. You are making stuff up. As usual. Name a false charge or slink.

[riderinthestorm]

441. The lies about me for one. It's sick and scary.

It's all here on this thread.

[bravenak]

442. An ignored must have replied.

[rbrnmw]

384. I never saw her post anything like that

I wish you wouldn't insinuate she is antisemetic because she isn't. You should dial it down. This is a personal attack. It's not nice. Bravenak is my friend and I am sick of her being attacked.

[beam me up scottie]

385. You're entitled to your opinion but like I said others noticed it too.

Accusing me of supporting the Stockholm syndrome op after I asked the poster to delete it is a personal attack.

[rbrnmw]

386. Well I disagree

Why is it that everyone gangs up on her? You are aware she was sent a letter to her home right? Please try to understand how that feels. A little empathy goes a long way.

[beam me up scottie]

387. She responded to ME. She is not the victim here.

I refuse to let her claim I supported that racist op when I clearly didn't.

I have been stalked and attacked in real life and I don't expect anyone to take it easy on me when I step out of line.

[rbrnmw]

388. That is no reason to call her antisemetic.

Did you call them out publicly? I know I would.

[beam me up scottie]

389. I didn't call her anything. And yes, I called out that poster publicly.

Go back and read the Stockholm syndrome thread. It's not the first time I've called out a poster for pitting minorities against each other and it won't be the last.

[rbrnmw]

390. OK but you did insinuate she was

You should apologize

[beam me up scottie]

391. She used an anti-Semitic dog whistle and I will not apologize for noticing it.

[rbrnmw]

392. Let's just drop it we disagree

I am not going to argue about it Have a good morning!

[beam me up scottie]

394. Okay. Have a good one!

[sabrina 1]

406. I hope you have also admonished her for calling so many DUers 'racist'. That won't fly here

especially after the display we have seen not just in this thread, but as the OP states, the entire sham and the despicable attempt to use an issue of such importance they way these few have.


I have never seen the smear mongers talk about issues here over the past two years eg, something a whole lot of DUers noticed long ago.

You don't get much sympathy when you play that vile game then whine you claim it is happening to you.

As the OP said, ENOUGH, there is not a shred of credibility left for those who have been playing this game now for months, not one single shred.

[Live and Learn]

232. But they sure the hell call all of Bernies supporters racist which infers he must be too.

I guess we are just supposed to forgive the insults you hurl at us too, right?

[merrily]

117. And his supporters. Never forget that. Oh, yes and "not only those on DU."

[eridani]

268. We seem to be getting by without a separate website to plan attacks on

--Sanders supporters at DU.

[MannyGoldstein]

18. Au contraire, Seattle was a great thing

It allows for another great comparison between the candidates, but without horriffic side effects - like the millions of casualties wrought by the Iraq War, that Hillary voted for but Bernie did not.

So feel free to stuff your nasty speculation.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. Right now most polls show that Hillary has substantial black support and Bernie does not.

Bernie doesn't seem to be connecting with black voters.

[MannyGoldstein]

58. But Bernie didn't vote for a ruinous configuration in Iraq

Nor has he fought to impoverish millions of black Americans.

And there is still some time before we decide who is the Democratic nominee.

[Cali_Democrat]

72. If what you say is true....

...why do black voters overwhelmingly support Hillary according to the polls?

Perhaps blacks aren't buying into the anti-Hillary hyperbole spouted by Sanders supporters?

[MannyGoldstein]

78. Ask 'em yourself?

Do you think that Dim Son was President twice because people voted in their best unterest!?

[zeemike]

213. You mean likely black voters.

Which means those who voted last time...in a low turnout election.
So low that the dems lost big time.

Does that mean that black voters have turned Conservative? That would explain why likely black voters chose the Conservative Hillary instead of the liberal Bernie.

[eridani]

269. The proposition "most black voters are not policy wonks" follows from the more general

--proposition that most voters are not policy wonks. So, as to

--Clinton's defense of 90s policies like welfare deform and the war on some drugs which vastly increased the number of black people in jail and more impoverished when not in jail
--her defense of the death penalty when 42% of those on death row are black
--her nasty racist tactics against Obama in 2007 (she's the candidate for "hardworking people, white people&quot
--her assertion in 2008 that McCain was more qualified on foreign policy than Obama

Most black voters don't remember, know or care about those things. Because they aren't policy wonks. Like most other voters who aren't policy wonks, they respond mostly to name familiarity,.

[sabrina 1]

437. Thank you, they always forget that part. That is a very small % of the Black vote.

[sabrina 1]

410. Perhaps most AAs have not met Bernie yet, but that is changing and those who have are now working

hard for his campaign. Many AAs who support Bernie are just now registering to vote for him, where it is needed. Some are still Registered Repubs, Independents and some who gave up on the system getting ready to register to vote, for Bernie.

Your polls are NOT including all of these voters. Only those who are registered Dems and older.[div class="excerpt"

[polly7]

60. How does Hillary rank in support of brown people - including women and children, 'over there'? nt.

[cui bono]

83. Hillary has pre-existing name recognition and is married to a former president who's affectionately

referred to as the "first black president". Brand name.

Most people don't know who Bernie is yet, let alone what he stands for. As he gets out there his support is growing in every demographic.

[Cali_Democrat]

87. Most people still don't know Bernie and what he stands for?

Yikes.

[cui bono]

90. You say that as if it's a problem. Or just to be dismissive or insulting.

[Cali_Democrat]

95. You can't become President if most people don't know you and what you stand for.

It's not like there's a big Democratic field this election cycle.

If most people still don't know you and what you stand for, that's a big problem.

[cui bono]

161. Most people aren't paying attention yet. It's a huge advantage for Sanders at this point.

Everyone knows who Hillary is and has already formed an opinion of her for the most part. Anyone who doesn't know who she is probably doesn't ever vote. So she doesn't have that much more to gain from more exposure.

Bernie is drawing 27,000 people to each event as an unknown candidate. He is polling great and that's only going up as people learn who he is. He's got a lot of new people to reach and he also will draw from the people who think they will support Hillary at this time.

Hence the DNC trying to not have a lot of debates. They know it is a danger to the Clinton campaign.

[sabrina 1]

409. And you don't become president with just one third of 32% of the electorate. Or if you drive

away the 25-30% who might ordinarily have supported you SHOULD you win the nomination. Keep up the good work. This gives me such a feeling of Deja Vu when my candidate then was subjected the same tactics, and WON maybe because of them.

[NCTraveler]

118. I think that is Sanders biggest asset.

I think it's not a fun argument for Sanders supporters to make because it draws a lot of heat. "People don't even know who he is?"

Fact is, most don't really know. Clinton is damn near a brand and you either love her or hate her. A lot in that group who have yet to be introduced to him are going to like him. There is a lot to like. Will it be enough?

He still has the chance to introduce himself to a lot of undecideds. He has a couple of months to really network and mostly focus on a handful of states. We have learned that momentum can be big coming out of the early states. That's how he can compete against Clintons bank account and that's why I don't think it's over.

[AlbertCat]

129. Bernie doesn't seem to be connecting with black voters.

It was the 1st BS meme that the GOP threw out there back in June or something....when they noticed VT didn't have a lot of black people in it.

Black Hillary supporters from here to AK have been keeping the GOP meme alive for months and months.

[Cali_Democrat]

135. I was referring to polls

For example, the latest PPP poll out of NC showed Hillary getting 74% among black voters. Bernie had 14%.

Polls are not memes.

It really is true that Bernie isn't connecting with black voters at the moment.

[bravenak]

139. Maybe stuff like this is why

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656


I have plenty more stuff like that. It kinda makes connecting tough. Notice that was not written by a duer but by ring of fire radio, who seem to support bernie and are a large liberal voice.

[yuiyoshida]

187. I kept being told that People of color

don't vote for Bernie Sanders. I guess I don't count.

[Cali_Democrat]

190. The polls I was referring to

measured support from African Americans.

For example, the recent PPP poll showed Hillary pulling 74% support while Bernie pulled 14%.

[yuiyoshida]

192. So Asians don't count

and "Asians don't vote anyway" ..i have heard this before. It pisses me off and rightly so.

[Cali_Democrat]

194. Of course Asians count

I was only referring to African Americans.

Everyone's vote is valuable.

[yuiyoshida]

197. I WISH people would

stop saying people of COLOR will not vote for Bernie Sanders, I am freaking tired of hearing it.

[Bubzer]

302. +1

[BeanMusical]

312. +2

[sabrina 1]

439. It's a talking point, intended to depress the enthusiasm for Bernie. Did you notice they

never talk about ISSUES?

[yuiyoshida]

440. I have heard a few say that

Bernie has little substance, but likes to hear himself talk, that all these years, he has done nothing until suddenly. One needs a heavy duty shovel to wade thought the Primary forum. I was about to give up, until I heard my friend Margaret CHO speak out! I am with her now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128068818

[sabrina 1]

482. I love Margaret CHO!

Kicked and rec'd your thread. Never give up, that's exactly, as Bernie himself warned us, what they want.

I'm glad you didn't yuiyoshida

[yuiyoshida]

486. sometimes it all gets me really down and depressed

But Margaret Cho is like a sister to me, on twitter. She has even given me encouragement to keep on, keeping on. I just love her.

[DianeK]

52. so what exactly happened to Bernie is Seattle?

Except for him to show the class and respect he always does for everyone!

[merrily]

115. Actually, the comment seems to be more about ongoing double standards,

but you probably knew that.

[Scootaloo]

184. Well, I keep seeign Clinton supporters invent new mythologies about what happened there

Each one more fallacious than hte last. So it appears to still be a "thing"

One thing's for certain. These activists are getting dismissed and their frogmarching is getting cheered by Clinton supporters. Had they gotten remotely close to Clinton, much less done what Marissa Jenae Johnson and her companions did with bernie? Man. One can only imagine the response from hillaryclintonsupporters such as yourself.

[merrily]

261. Also, let's not forget: Hillary and the Secret Service have had since NN and Seattle to plan their

response. Bernie was taken by surprise, esp. at Netroots Nation, where there had been a meeting scheduled for shortly after the event itself. There was not even that much reason for him to expect Seattle.

[beerandjesus]

308. Yep. Hillary doesn't even bother to "whitesplain", she just throws them out.

...after grandstanding, of course.

[quakerboy]

222. WWHD?

Interesting choice for an avatar. Wonder who Huey would support.

[eridani]

270. I'm sore and bitter about the asshat Clinton supporters who put up the hashtags mentioned in the OP

[stonecutter357]

282. +1

[sabrina 1]

399. Seattle was one of Bernie's best rallies. After his appearance at the Social Security

event which was not his event, he was a guest there.

Tens of thousands came out to cheer him on in Seattle that night. One the best rallies of the campaign, though there are so many others.

[HerbChestnut]

3. This is much needed

And provides some perspective. Thank you, Manny.

[bravenak]

4. Hillary supporters are not harassing black folks all over the internet.

They ARE the black folks on the internet.

[JimDandy]

9. Harassing others isn't good anywhere

Not on the Net or in Seattle.

[bravenak]

28. Right. The white supremacy in Seattle needs constant calling out. They call themselves progressive.

The racism stats say yeah right. My red state has fewer issues than Seattle.

[JimDandy]

99. Ahh, you're still on that white supremacy platform...

Well, welcome back anyway.

Harassers come in all colors--Black harassers in Seattle on stage and white harassers yelling at them. I'll take liberal Seattle any day, though, harassers and all. It's a better place to be than in any red state I've ever lived in (and I've lived in Utah, a real red zinger).

Seattle not only has the bluest skies you've ever seen, but tbe bluest hearts too. Now, sure, we have some conservatives in Seattle, like Marissa Janae Johnson, but most liberal bastion cities do. That's okay, we'll turn her blue eventually. Seattle is liberal with lots of Progressives...come on down and see us!

[bravenak]

103. Yeah. I bet you have not looked at it from a black pov.

I guess what we say don't matter though.
We get this kinda stuff.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656

[JimDandy]

114. You'd guess wrong then...I listen to all points of view

but right now I have to get ready for the trick-or-treaters.

Happy Halloween

[bravenak]

120. Sigh. I said look not listen. Have a great halloween!!

Give out the big candy!

[JimDandy]

138. Umm...I listen to what people

say. Read your post again. Sigh

I actually did do the big candy, because I live on a street with few kids so I 'treat' them good.

[AlbertCat]

144. We get this kinda stuff.

Well, we white folks get stupid stuff like "You don't know nothing about prejudice" all the time.

Someone told me I didn't know anything about it.... even tho' I grew up gay atheist in the South in the 60s and 70s. Nope...don't know nuttin' about it! I'm from Greensboro NC, where the 1st sit in was, y'know. But because I wasn't actually sitting in....I assumedly know nothing about it. It was just happening all round me, that's all.


Of course Hillary's not black either, so what does she know about it? Right?

[bravenak]

146. I do not see hillary's white supporters calling for the marginalization of blm.

[AlbertCat]

153. I do not see hillary's white supporters calling for the marginalization of blm.

You also don't see everything that goes on.


Besides, y'know, if you did, you might not even notice it since it does;t fit in with your "Sander's supporters hate blacks", GOP meme you like to champion.

[bravenak]

157. Nobody will even attempt to show me any no matter how much I ask.

[AlbertCat]

189. Nobody will even attempt to show me any no matter how much I ask.

That's because this whole GOP meme you seem to want to keep alive (that Sanders hates/ doesn't get/ doesn't care about PoC is stupid and demonstratively untrue. There is zero evidence that it is a common thing with Sanders' supporters or a major characteristic of his audience. Why spend time on it? Who in their right mind would scour the internet of DU archives for such a purpose?

The GOP started this.... and for some it has worked like a charm.

[bravenak]

193. People bring up mineral mans posts from years ago to attack him. I only need to go back to Summer

to pop a bubble. I told people at the time that the tactic of going after BLM woukd lead to this exact place. Next time it would be helpful to listen intead just getting angry and lashing out. Perception is reality. We base our opinions on actions not policies. What did you do rather than what you wanted to accomplish. How you treat us rather than your belief in our ability to overlook that and just base opinions on votes and records. I think some ignore the human factor and get frustrated when their ideas are overlooked and their behaiviour is the main focus.

[AlbertCat]

196. just getting angry and lashing out.

I'm not angry. I'm baffled by this championing of a GOP lie, that's all.


"Perception is reality."

Thank you Deepak. That was profound.

[bravenak]

198. This is a reality check on this summer's behaiviour.

Had there been a positive resolution, had Bernie addressed it, had it stopped, this woukd be unnecessary. I have no great love for Hillary, but the complete tearing down and bashing of BLM by the progressive left, many who support Bernie, left us at this place. The hypocrisy of the same folks now trying to use BLM against a black person like myself when I defended them against those same folks before is a perfect illustration of why this needs doing. Bernie needs to have a conversation with his grassroots.

[BeanMusical]

313. "I have no great love for Hillary"

Sure you don't.

[bravenak]

323. It's You.

[BeanMusical]

330. Only you can make this world seem right...

Only you can make the darkness bright
Only you and you alone
Can thrill me like you do
And fill my heart with love for only you

[bravenak]

331. Nice. Love that song.

[BeanMusical]

333. Glad that I posted it here instead of Facebook!

On FB I would have had a couple of "likes" but here I got a comment!

[bravenak]

335. I am alway happy to fill A need for human contact and co appreciation for music.

[BeanMusical]

336. I truly appreciate it.

[bravenak]

337. Hey!! Bring it on in for the real thing!!

[BeanMusical]

340. !

[bravenak]

341. We are gonna be good friends next year. I'm psychic. <--- not really psychic but good at guessing

[BeanMusical]

345. Anything's possible.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

328. ...the unstoppable you.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

326. Attack MineralMan? Oh, no. We're defending Hillary!

For if there's one thing Hillary Rodham Clinton is not... it's stupid.

My goodness, as a loyal member of the Democratic Party, are you not the least bit concerned that a fellow DUer may be going door-to-door with this? Seven days or seven years ago, doesn't matter when it was said.

No one seems able to explain how one un-rings the "liar," "stupid," "lying, pandering," and "morally depraved" bells. Hillarians sure have a curious way of showing their support for her.

[BeanMusical]

334. +1

I don't get it either.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

349. Is it all a game? Who can "win" on the internet?

You hear of paid posters, who knows, maybe they're being paid. Well, the pundit who gave us "Hillary is a liar," is certainly being paid, and it doesn't look good (for him) that he was *totally* schooled by a bunch of DUers. That's one for the DU memory book...

[sabrina 1]

433. I saw Hillary having them forceably removed from her event. I also saw on a dialy basis the results

her Welfare Reform she was so certain would 'keep people from becoming dependent'. And I see the African women, men and childdren in Libya, the women who once had it pretty good in that country, who are either dead or raped or tortured or robbed or driven out of their country by white western imperialists, AGAIN.

But her cheerleading for all these racist colonial wars is nothing new among Western Imperialists and for those of us whose ancestors were victims of it it isn't hard to recognize.

But you'd have to be interested in 'all this stuff' I suppose.

[bravenak]

435. Did you see her 'have them dragged out'?

I still have not seen it. Can you provide a clip? Thx. I wanna see it for myself.
Bernie votes to fund all the weapons for those wars and voted for afganistan. Please remember that his hands are not clean. I would love to help with the situation in Africa. I think we need boots on the ground. I think Hillary might agree with me but Bernie would not.

Hmmm.

[merrily]

125. Did they call themselves anything? They showed up to hear about Social Security.

[bravenak]

131. Like I said. Seattle calls themselves profressives.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/cityrsquos-progressive-dreams-have-steep-price-tag/

[merrily]

137. Are you referring to the headline of a newspaper article referring to "dreams?"

If so that doesn't support your claim.

However, the event that was disrupted in Seattle was people showing up to hear about Social Security.

[bravenak]

141. I do not care what people were there to hear about. And they do not care about what I care about.

[merrily]

145. Making claims, then posting links that don't support those claims seems pointless.

[bravenak]

150. Going after a BLM Activist for her Sarah Palin button on her backpack at 16 was pointless.

You cannot explain why that made sense but you wanna check me on my posts? Maybe you shoukd spend time checking people who vilify black BLM activists for buttons they wore in high school before you get down the list to me. You mught wanna check them for vilifying her for her religion too while your at it. You can try using the rec list and asking why they thought it appropriate. I screenshotted it if you need a copy.

[merrily]

152. I honestly don't recall going after any BLM activists. Have a link to where I did that?

[bravenak]

159. I did not say YOU did. Just said going after them was pointless. Where did I say you did it?

Just that it happened and was pointless and I did not see you there trying to correct anybody.

[merrily]

166. You shouldn't put it in a post to me if you don't think it pertains to me.

As far as your implying that I have some obligation to correct everything on this board that is incorrect, surely you see how totally unreasonable that is.

[bravenak]

195. Yes I should. Continuously until the end of time maybe.

[merrily]

199. Smearing attempts--guilt by associations attempts-- until the end of time?

Surely, you can think of better uses of your posting time? Can't you?

[bravenak]

200. Reality checks on the tearing down of BLM by one side. Not my side. Now they love BLM. Yeah right.nt

[merrily]

201. See Reply 152. You posted in a circle, which tends to mean the only thing you have right now is a

determination to have the last word.

[bravenak]

203. Nicev is this the place where I get the last word then? I hope so. Hate to keep going.nt

[merrily]

208. No, I think you love to keep going. If you actually hated to keep going, you would have stopped,

even if it meant making one less meaningless post and even if it meant you didn't get the last word. Okay, now you may have the last, for all the good it will do you.

[jeff47]

301. According to her, it is my responsiblity to stop all white juries before

she will explain her stance on the death penalty.

So yes, you apparently hae an obligation to correct everything on DU.

[merrily]

316. Someone else's unreasonable position about my role at DU places no obligation on me at all, except

perhaps to point out how unreasonable it is, if I am so inclined, which I have already done.

Bravenak used to be one of my favorite DUers. I am sorry she has gone in another direction, but all living things change. I hope this change is good for her.

[BeanMusical]

338. "I screenshotted it if you need a copy. "

Oh man, taking screenshots is so creepy. Just ask boston, they'll tell you how creepy it is.

[jwirr]

216. Your red state may have fewer issues than Seattle but the

people who were at that Social Security were not angry because the protesters were black. They were angry because the Social Security meeting was interrupted. They came there to talk about Social Security and nothing else. That does not make them white supremacists. It makes them people who are worried about losing their Social Security. When BLM took over the meeting it ended the session as Bernie was the last speaker. Unlike last night when the police ushered BLM out so that Hillary could continue her speech.

BLM have never been stopped from speaking at a Bernie event. He has actually hired people who work on the issues that BLM want to talk about.

[bravenak]

217. They called out white supremacy at the crowds reaction.

She said she was going to tell him about white supremacist liberalism in seattle, but, the crowds reaction said what she was trying to say for her. That is a paraphrasing of her statement. Go watch it again without the drama of summer buzzing around.

[jwirr]

228. Who do you mean by "she"? The BLM lady? I know the

crowd was angry and that the BLM protesters saw that as white supremacy. I am not denying that was the situation. That is very clear in the video. The meeting this took place in was not a Bernie meeting. But I question if this is actual white supremacy or just anger at being denied the opportunity to hear what they came to hear. Social Security is kind of a universal issue. Important to us all.

If this had been a Bernie meeting and the crowd of supporters had been angry BLM would have been totally justified in their accusations. If they had done the protest that evening at his meeting it would have been different.

Everyone who has a different opinion of a situation is not automatically a white supremacist. And the people who came to listen about social security did not see what BLM had to do with their meeting. And truthfully it did not have anything to do with it. Except that Bernie was there.

Many are claiming that Bernie did not make a good response. But we saw him almost immediately hire Symone Sanders who is a criminal justice expert and did exactly what BLM asked him to do - created a plan to work for this issue. BLM said it is a good plan. He has mentioned BLM and the issues involved every time he speaks. He has even presented some bills in congress even knowing that it was going to take a miracle to get them passed. If I am not mistaken he has a bill to end private for profit prisons in the works right now.

And yes some of us went way over the top defending Bernie in what many thought was a unfair protest at NRN because he was not even the leading candidate. I for one understood that this was an excellent plan to get the issue of police brutality in the headlines - probably would have worked better with Hillary since the papers were not even talking about him. But it did achieve the end of getting it front and center in the discussion.

I understand what you are angry about but I do not think you are correct in seeing us all as enemies.

[bravenak]

229. I do not see everyone as the enemy and I do not think the entire crowd had the intention of being

racist. See, some seem to think white supremacy is setting crosses on fire and stringing black folks up on trees. Yes. That is part of it. But most of it is in the differences in treatment between the races. A person can do or say or behave in a way that does support the system of white supremecy unintentionally. They do not know how they look to others. They so not know how bad it looks to shout down a couple of black women who are talking about the racism in policing, schools and institutions in your city because you think that discussing SS, something that always gets attention every election season is more important that discussing the racism. It's fine with me tgat the wanted to hear about SS. It is a good thing to discuss. But the way the crowd reacted and actualky the worse was how the supporters of the candidate reacted.
Bernie recovered and worked to improve. The supporters? Trashed BLM nonstop. Trolled those two women. Tracked them. Trashed the ones religion.it looked way worse tgan the crowd at Seattle or Bernie. A candidates fans and supporters reflect back on his campaign. We see that and judge his abilities as a leader from how his support behaves and what I saw blew my mind.

[riderinthestorm]

230. I'm bi-racial but my disapproval of BLM's tactics

at either HRC rally or the Soc Security meeting means I'm a white supremacist obviously.



Look, the distortions and contortions by the HRC supporters to paint Sanders and supporters as racist, sexist etc, are simply that - false.

Like my support for Obama means I love his sending in troops to Syria. There's no nuance here.

Try to do nuance if you can instead of disgusting broad brushes.

[jwirr]

233. I and you are saying the same thing. Agreed. A very big

paintbrush is being used to talk about white supremacy. To me that means the KKK and other groups who insist that white blood purity is the goal. And that no one but the white race has rights. It is very much like Hitler's racist attitudes were in Germany.

I am white due to birth - can't help it. But my entire family like you are bi-racial.

This kind of thing is what Hillary used against President Obama in 2008 and it seems that it is all she has to use now. Far be it from her to actually talk issues.

[merrily]

247. Older people travel to hear about Social Security, including hearing a candidate

for POTUS speak about Social Security, which is barely keeping them alive-- and the only possible reason they can have to be annoyed at people who suddenly prevent that from happening is that they are white supremacists?

Think again.

[ctsnowman]

309. Nailed it.

[bravenak]

248. I have no idea why this post kicked back up.

[sabrina 1]

418. I'm bookmarking this comment, because we are being told that NONE of Hillary's supporters

have ever referred to Bernie or his supporters as 'White Supremacists'. Thanks, I didn't want to have to go searching to find it.

Shameful, despicable nastiness, which is being denied now, so thanks again for providing a fresh new example of what LOST the last election for Hillary, and will lose this one.

[bravenak]

420. So me talking about what the two ladies were talking about in Seattle is directly calling

you and du names? Amazing.

You can stop following me now. I do not think you have the chops.

[AlbertCat]

133. Hillary supporters are not harassing black folks all over the internet.

No one's supporters are harassing black folks all over the internet... unless it's GOP supporters maybe.

[bravenak]

134. Lol

[eridani]

271. Hillary supporters need a special website to harass Sanders supporters

We don't need one.

[bravenak]

272. How could they harass people who are not there to harass? Bernie supporters have all of DU.

[eridani]

274. The purpose of that site is to plan attacks on Sanders supporters

Double dare you to find an analogous site created by Sander supporters to plan attacks on Clinton.

[bravenak]

275. That is not the purpose. That is merely your suspicion.

[eridani]

276. I am perfectly capable of seeing screenshots

If you choose not to, that's on you. I suppose you also defend Clinton's racist attacks on Obama in 2008.

We don't need a website like that, and we don't need to start hashtags like #hillarysoblack either.

[bravenak]

277. No I do not defend her attacks on Obama in 08. I have posted about it.

[eridani]

278. Good. Now demonstrate how Sanders has done the same n/t

[bravenak]

279. I never said he did.

[eridani]

280. Then maybe that makes him a better candidate.

I would never even think about setting up a hashtag like #hillarysoblack.

[sabrina 1]

358. And many of those Sanders supporters are AAs, being harrassed by people on that website.

They are Native Americans, Latinos, Asians, Muslims who support Bernie, all being harassed by Hillary supporters on that awful website.

[nc4bo]

6. **crickets** and +1.

Not gonna happen so don't hold your breath.

[jfern]

7. They were called ignorant for daring to protest Hillary

[gwheezie]

10. Oh dear

You are demanding Hillary supporters just stop it, stop it now, hahahahaha. You demand it, just stop, you're not having it. Excuse me again, hahahahaha.
I really can't stop laughing.

[NCTraveler]

13. A Sanders supporter...

Proclaimed that POC and the LGBTQ community could be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome just for supporting a progressive. Another claimed some could be beat with a stick and still vote for her.

Get of your high horse.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. And you're comparing that to being called a White Supremacist,

a pedophile enabler, a misogynist, and all the other insane garbage that Bernie and his supporters have been called on DU, not to mention the unbelievably-worse stuff by the same people at the Hillary Cave?

Get a grip.

[NCTraveler]

31. Absolutely.

Suggesting POC are suffering from Stockholm for supporting a progressive is every bit as bad. It would be every bit as bad no matter who they support. I think we just got to a part of the problem.

Sir, slowly step down from the horse.

[MannyGoldstein]

32. Seriously?

Holy crap.

[polly7]

33. ONE poster brought that up and was told by people on both sides it was unfortunate.

Why do you turn everything into major drama???

[NCTraveler]

37. Major drama?

Did you read the op? My reply was directly in line with it. Drama. True as could be. Check out the op that my reply is directly related to.

[polly7]

43. Yes, major drama!

ONE poster mentioned it and heard about it from a lot of people in both camps, and you're using that to counter all the ugly names and accusations against Bernie Sanders? Can you point out a post in which you defended him against some of that garbage?

ONE. Yes, major drama.

[NCTraveler]

61. Let's make it worth my time.

How about twenty bucks to act blue Hillary if I can come up with five posts of mine in the last month where I'm one hundred percent sticking up for Sanders or promoting his policies.

I'll do the same for you in reverse.

A little secret before you make me waste my time with your whimsical little query, I have post after post that are positive for Sanders. I would only have to go back to yesterday to find a couple of them, possibly all five.

[Bluenorthwest]

219. You are using that dubious poster to define Sanders supporters in spite of his many critics who

support Sanders, such as myself. When you do that, you do the same thing the dubious poster does, and it is not fair at all. Your rhetoric seeks to make me vanish and I object to that strongly. 'A Sanders supporter said this or that'. How the fuck do all of you know who is and who is not a supporter of whom on the internet? 'I was on Twitter and Bernie supporters said this'. Sure. Whatever. It's gossip and as gossip always is it is vapid and pernicious.

[merrily]

251. Well said. Stereotyping and broad brush accusations, too, all pernicious.

[eridani]

273. The assertion was based on a very stupid assumption

Namely that black people remember or care about Clinton's support of policies that impoverished and imprisoned so many black people in the 90s, and her nasty racist attacks on Obama in 2008. They don't remember or care because they are not policy wonks, just like everyone else.

[DianeK]

59. Hillary is Third Way!

[dreamnightwind]

67. No it was not for supporting a progressive

The poster's point wasn't about supporting progressives, it was about supporting Hillary.

The point wasn''t even about whether Hillary is a progressive or not, it was just about how they must have some bizarre reason for supporting Hillary.

From memory, and not a post I am excited to defend, but your phrasing is disingenuous at best.

[NCTraveler]

69. Does that matter to the point. Nt

[dreamnightwind]

218. You must think so, you went to the trouble to phrase it that way /nt

[merrily]

151. There's a lot of twisting, overgeneralizing, etc. going around. Attacking each instance of it would

be too tedious--and there would only be a fresh batch very soon anyway.

[dreamnightwind]

220. I'd let it go but it was too disingenuous, and left an incorrect impresssion

Happy Halloween! I have an assortment of free Bernie stickers out with the Bernie pumpkin, what the hell someone might want one.

[merrily]

221. Great idea about the stickers. I never would have thought of putting them out.

By all means, post on whatever moves you to post. I was simply making a general observation.

[bravenak]

39. Link to people calling you or sanders white supremacists?

[MannyGoldstein]

53. E.g.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251508942

[Warren Stupidity]

54. yes but

--words--

[beam me up scottie]

57. Some day they'll learn to stop asking for links.

[bravenak]

93. I have links!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060303

[merrily]

130. You rule links! Links R BMUS!

[beam me up scottie]

136. Thank you, merrily!

You're no slouch yourself, and we all have long memories when it comes to the bigotry and hypocrisy coming from a very small but vocal group on DU.

[merrily]

140. To be fair,

a long memory is not really required.

[bravenak]

65. That was not about you or bernie specifically. Look at Seattle. Left? Yes. Under federal order for

Racist policing? Yes. Try harder.

[emulatorloo]

127. You are exhibiting very poor reading comprehension, Manny

I know you are intelligent person, so maybe you just need to slow down and read it again.

Jamie Utt's essay doesn't say what you claim it says.

[Warren Stupidity]

46. here's a stupid alert:

On Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

And you're comparing that to being called a White Supremacist,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=751056

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Just disgusting to put duers in that category as a group.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:01 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, he's right. All that and worse has been said about Sanders supporters.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lots of shorts in knots around here these days.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Absolutely ridiculous alert.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What? this alert is yet another example of how completely unhinged Clinton's supporters here have become. It is a fact that Clinton supporters here have behaved exactly as described. Noting that is not hideworthy. Stupid alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[beam me up scottie]

62. They're still alert stalking Manny.

Cowards.

[RoccoR5955]

113. And they will keep alert stalking

until they lose. Then and only then, will they go away.

[beam me up scottie]

154. After the stuff they posted about Bernie here they really have no right to complain.

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a racist, gun nut, scheming little sneak, pandering phony braggart withsome kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies and thinks that orgasms prevent cancer.

[cui bono]

177. Replying and entering in journal so I can find your links later.

[beam me up scottie]

210. Good idea!

These threads are great for those of us who like to watch hypocrites in action.

Like the people complaining about alert stalking while prodding cali into her 5th hide and then celebrating.

[RoccoR5955]

303. Don't I know.

That doesn't mean that they will not continue their stupid attacks.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. SCARY HALLOWEEN JURY RESULTS

0-7! SCARY!

Automated Message
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

And you're comparing that to being called a White Supremacist,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=751056

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Just disgusting to put duers in that category as a group.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:01 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, he's right. All that and worse has been said about Sanders supporters.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lots of shorts in knots around here these days.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Absolutely ridiculous alert.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What? this alert is yet another example of how completely unhinged Clinton's supporters here have become. It is a fact that Clinton supporters here have behaved exactly as described. Noting that is not hideworthy. Stupid alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MannyGoldstein]

64. Ok, that is now the stupidest alert I've ever seen

And that's an extraordinarily high bar.

[RoccoR5955]

119. They keep getting stupider and stupider.

Luckily they have their skewed polls to help placate them. Many feel too good to go and attack by alerting. Let's see what happens after the primaries.

[beam me up scottie]

25. And Hillary supporters are now known for their rabid anti-Semitism.

Many Bernie supporters called out the poster who said that, can you say the same for HC supporters when it comes to anti-Semitism?

[NCTraveler]

34. Show me any-semitism on du.

I can honestly say I haven't seen it directed at Sanders here. BMUS, I'm not saying I don't believe you because I have seen anti-Semitic remarks here before.

I'm saying it is amazingly clear that this high horse routine is BS. Both sides have supporters who have knocked it out of the park with respect to offensiveness. Please note that my replies here in no way said one party is guilty while the other isn't.

[beam me up scottie]

41. Here are just two:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=442891

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=641703


And both sides are guilty, which is why playing the guilt by association card with respect to the Stockholm syndrome post isn't fair.

Many of us called out that poster.

[NCTraveler]

48. Both sides are guilty is my complete point.

I made no other insinuation than that. Hence the high horse comment. You sent two links to hidden posts. The community spoke. Where as a blatantly racist post stands.

[beam me up scottie]

55. So where were the HC supporters who should have called it out?

Hell one even rec'd the blatantly racist and anti-Semitic op.

[bravenak]

40. Link to rabid antisemitism in Hillary supporters?

[cui bono]

66. LOL!

"they know she shares their faith"

[bravenak]

68. Saying my Uncle's christian church shares Hillary's faith is ANTISEMITISM???!!!?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?.

[cui bono]

168. That is not what you said.

You said "they know she shares their faith". That is completely different. Plenty of people called you on it so don't try playing innocent in this thread. Go do that over at the Clinton Cave where there are most likely several OPs about this topic.

[bravenak]

172. They as in THE MEMBERS OF MY UNCLE'S CONGREGATION!! LINK TO MY ANTISEMITISM?????

[cui bono]

182. You link to it. I'm not going to take a stupid hide for linking to your post.

We both know what you said and how many people called you on it. I don't need to prove myself because all people have to do is look at the majority of your posts to know what you have to say and how often you say it.

[bravenak]

183. I KNEW THIS WAS A MADE UP ISSUE.

[cui bono]

205. Yes, agree, the issue is made up, the fact that you post about it is not.

[bravenak]

207. I POST ABOUT WHAT, NOW? NOT UNDERSTANDING...

[beam me up scottie]

214. MAYBE YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN IT USING ALL CAPS.

I saw the post and like others I agreed that it was anti-Semitic, that dog whistle isn't as silent as they thought it was.

It's really not even up for debate at this point.

It's almost like someone is trying to provoke you so your post gets hidden.

[riderinthestorm]

235. +10 million!!!! Nt

[polly7]

290. I think you nailed it, bmus!

When the ALL CAPS come out, either someone is losing their shit, or they're calling in the team. I learned that myself.

Hope you had a great Halloween!

[beam me up scottie]

291. Or they're calling in the team - exactly!

The alert squads were out in force yesterday.

I had a good day, how about you?

[polly7]

292. They sure were ....... I'm actually surprised I'm still here lol.

I did have a good day, thanks. Scared quite a few little ones just a bit, gave out mostly all my candy and went to the party/dance. My dog licked the makeup off one little guy before I could stop him, but they all know him in town and hug and kiss him so he just thinks it's his right to kiss them back. It was a fun day/night.

[bravenak]

96. This was fun.

Hey! Lets go back and post on this thread! We can kick it up and get it going again! Yay, lets!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10027060303&info=1#recs

[beam me up scottie]

97. It's best to ignore people who claim they don't see bigotry.

Someone also claimed that lgbt people didn't suffer from the same discrimination as AAs because they can pass.

You can't reason with those who don't realize that all bigotry is equally reprehensible.

[bravenak]

101. Some people let things like this slide if it's THEIR group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656

Same folks now LOVE BLM.

[TheKentuckian]

236. Some now love the Queen strongly defending her podium behind her barricadeand giving BLM

the bumrush while she nods like a bobblehead because Usher and John Lewis or some bullshit.

[bravenak]

237. I do not love the queen. I dislike her enemies.

[cui bono]

63. Jury Results:

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:58 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

And Hillary supporters are now known for their rabid anti-Semitism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=751057

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a complete lie, a broad brushed smear designed to sow division.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:09 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: nope
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have no problem with this post. The alerter needs to grow a thicker skin.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's one thing to support your candidate, but breaking out the broad brush and attacking democratic candidates and/or their supporters is completely out of bounds on DU. Engaging in such attacks does not make you above the fray.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not hide worthy, but if is a lie, call them out. Alerting is a poor way to do this.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jeez people, get a grip and give it a rest. This Clinton vs. Sanders vs. Clinton shit is getting old and there is still a long way to go before the primaries.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Since the alerter's claim is that this is a lie I have to say Leave It. It is not a lie. I've seen anti-semitic comments on here regarding Sanders. And I've seen pics of posts from DUers posting on other sites.
I think the division sowing goes to the side that keeps leveling smears based on non-issues such as a person's faith among many other smears that have been put out against Sanders.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[beam me up scottie]

70. It's a "lie" even though I posted links?

Be on your best behaviour, Bernistas!

The alert swarms are out in force tonight.

Thanks!

[BainsBane]

71. I have a question

Does the FB page you participate in that ridicules people of faith provide an exception for Jews?
Do you only ridicule Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and people of other faith? If so, why the exception for that one faith? And if there isn't an exception, how is that not antisemitic?

[beam me up scottie]

74. What fb "page that ridicules people of faith" would that be? Tia!

[BainsBane]

77. The one where you noted you were going to

create an alias to participate in, where you ridicule DUers of faith. One of those members has been told he is a frequent subject of discussion there. Are you saying you do not participate in any FB page for non-theists?

[beam me up scottie]

79. Nice try! Got a link to where we "ridicule DUers of faith"?

Come on, BainsBane, show us the link!

Prove you're not making up stories in an attempt to deflect from the anti-Semitism at hillarysupporters.com:

[opiate69]

81. ...

getting scolded for alleged (imagined) off-site anti-DU postings, by one of the most prolific posters at the hate-site we all now know and love...

[beam me up scottie]

86. Whoever said no good deed goes unpunished sure had them in mind.

Calling out anti-Semitism will get you criticized and alert stalked.

[Curmudgeoness]

102. And.....crickets.

That certainly took the air out of the attack.

[beam me up scottie]

105. It's like watching a blimp get shot down.

You can almost hear the sound of air whooooooooooshing out as it sinks...

[BainsBane]

109. "We": So you do admit to participating in a FB page

for non-theists. I think you know the FB page is closed specifically so that non-participants can't view it. I believe that is a phenomenon you yourself referred to as "scrubbing."

And how is it you think the linked screenshot has any relevance to me?

I'm curious. If you found the linked article so concerning that you feel compelled to continually post that screenshot, why is it that you had nothing to say when it was first posted on DU?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134113241


Would that be another case of selective outrage, like when you called this antisemetichttp://www.democraticunderground.com/1251650448#post5
Whereas when a Sanders supporter posted it a day earlier, express no such concern. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251649319
(People will have to look at the first, unedited version to see what you responded to)
Exact same story, exact same event, yet your responses were entirely different.

[beam me up scottie]

116. Another epic fail!

As has been posted here repeatedly it wasn't the article but the accusations of Bernie being funded by Israel that were anti-Semitic.

And I must have missed you calling out the posters at that website for engaging in it.

Do you have a link to your objections to the blatant bigotry?

I also didn't notice your presence in my thread about anti-Semitism, would you care to explain why that's not anti-Semitic now?

Would that be another case of selective outrage, like when you called this antisemetichttp://www.democraticunderground.com/1251650448#post5
Whereas when a Sanders supporter posted it a day earlier, express no such concern. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251650448#post5(People will have to look at the first, unedited version to see what you responded to)
Exact same story, exact same event, yet your responses were entirely different.

You posted the same link twice, just like last time I responded to you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=725895

It's really too bad that my outspoken criticism of anti-Semitism doesn't sit well with you, nor are my numerous posts and ops about other kinds of religious bigotry good enough but like I said, once you find something bigoted in my posting history, get back to me.

Until then you're just another hypocrite who didn't speak out in those threads when you had the chance.

At least you're consistent!

[BainsBane]

186. I have seen no concern

about antisemitism from you EXCEPT when it comes to Sanders. I don't recall your denouncing the many posts equating Israel with Nazi Germany or those that eluded to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I'm not talking about one thread. I'm talking about many dozens of threads. Yet you had nothing to say. You care about Bernie Sanders and as my post above showed, you selectively wield the allegation as a club. When a Sanders supporter posts an article talking about pro-Palestinian protestors being thrown out of an event, you discuss it as a cause of concern. The next day when two people who are not Sanders supporters posted the same article, you called them anti-semites. For posting a news story you thought acceptable enough to discuss the previous day.

A link to my objections of bigotry? Yes, I can provide many and I will do so when I come back. I have posted some of them in ATA in fact. There is a reason the racist SHART troll has targeted me and called me various foul names for a white person who doesn't stick with her own kind. I have been quite vocal in my concerns for human equality and opposition to bigotry of all kinds. What I haven't done, however, is use it as an insult as you do. 1) because it would be hidden if I did 2) such an approach doesn't encourage awareness. It closes off discussion, which is precisely the intent.

Your objection to my not posting in your thread reflects on your own ego, but nothing else.

Your OPs about other kinds of religious bigotry? That's hysterical. Those I have to see.

[beam me up scottie]

202. No, a link to your objections to the despicable anti-Semitism posted at hillarysupporters.com, BB.

And again, how is accusing Bernie of being funded by Israel not anti-Semitic?

I have seen no concern

about antisemitism from you EXCEPT when it comes to Sanders. I don't recall your denouncing the many posts equating Israel with Nazi Germany or those that eluded to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I'm not talking about one thread. I'm talking about many dozens of threads. Yet you had nothing to say. You care about Bernie Sanders and as my post above showed, you selectively wield the allegation as a club.

Do you have proof that I saw those threads and refused to participate?

You are grasping at straws because you realize how selective your outrage is. I have yet to see you call out anti-Semitism when it comes to Bernie.

Where was your outrage in this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026813298

And this one?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=620075


When have you ever called out anti-Semitism directed at Bernie?


Perhaps you can link to your posts at your website where you objected to it, I must have missed them.

When a Sanders supporter posts an article talking about pro-Palestinian protestors being thrown out of an event, you discuss it as a cause of concern. The next day when two people who are not Sanders supporters posted the same article, you called them anti-semites. For posting a news story you thought acceptable enough to discuss the previous day.

That is a lie, I never called anyone an "anti-semite".

The article was anti-Semitic and was proven to be false, the person who posted the first thread corrected the record.

The people who posted the article AFTER it was corrected left out the correction, why is that? And then they deleted after being questioned. Funny that.

Your objection to my not posting in your thread reflects on your own ego, but nothing else.

Since you refuse to post in my thread, please explain how accusing Bernie of being funded by Israel isn't anti-Semitic in this one.

Thanks.

Your OPs about other kinds of religious bigotry? That's hysterical. Those I have to see.

I linked to two, how many would be enough for a person who never calls out anti-Semitism when it's directed at Bernie?

And how many have you posted?


Until you find something to prove otherwise in my posting history you're just another hypocrite who's guilty of making false accusations and exhibiting the same selective outrage you claim to see in others.



Now how about those links to the fb page where we "ridicule people of faith". You never did make good on that claim.


Why is that?

[BainsBane]

188. Corrected links

Would that be another case of selective outrage, like when you called this antisemetic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251650448#post5
Whereas when a Sanders supporter posted it a day earlier, express no such concern. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251649319
(People will have to look at the first, unedited version to see what you responded to)
Exact same story, exact same event, yet your responses were entirely different.

[beam me up scottie]

227. The anti-Semitic article that was reposted even though it had been corrected?

The blogger lied when he claimed that Bernie didn't allow dissent from pro-Palestinian protesters.

The first poster corrected the op after the mistake was pointed out, the other reposted it anyway and added their own comment about Bernie because *wink wink nudge nudge* we know how those "pro-Israel" Jews are, amirite?


Accusing Bernie of being pro-Israel/anti-Palestinian because he's Jewish is anti-Semitic.

You must have missed this op too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658936

Perhaps the worst part of all this, though, is that they inject covert bigotry into a debate that needs none of it. Make no mistake about it: It is entirely possible to criticize the Israeli government, military, and right-wing political establishment without being anti-Semitic. Indeed, I’d go so far as to say that one of the biggest problems with America’s foreign policy in the Middle East is that pro-Israel hawks have successfully stifled opposition by lobbing the “anti-Semite” charge at their critics even when it doesn’t apply (which is most of the time). By relegating Palestinians to a state of second-class citizenship, stealing Palestinian land through building settlements, and engaging in disproportionate warfare that takes thousands upon thousands of Palestinian lives, Israel has developed an appalling human rights record that is deplored by decent people everywhere.

At the same time, when a Jewish person who recognizes these things is automatically assumed to be pro-Israel simply because of their background, that is anti-Semitic. It may not be chic to say as much (I am certain, if nothing else, that I will receive considerable backlash for being a “Zionist” for making this point, despite my own views on Israeli policy) but it’s true nevertheless. Whether they realize it or not, the people who can look at the record of a Jewish critic of Israel – be it Bernie Sanders or anyone else – and only see evidence that they’re too pro-Israel is operating from a bigoted assumption.

This kind of prejudice needs to be called out. The time to start is now.

[MannyGoldstein]

238. Congratulations! You're stalk-worthy!

I knew it was only a matter of time!

[beam me up scottie]

239. My dear Manny they have been stalking me since they started that site.

Now they're trying to find my fb page...I'm just glad they don't know my real name, there's no telling what these people are capable of.

[MannyGoldstein]

243. Well stalking you here is one thing, but following to facebook?

That's extra-creepy!

Yikes!

[beam me up scottie]

244. It is a little disturbed, isn't it?

I wonder how far they're willing to go to score points against Bernie supporters?

Researching our posting history here isn't enough obviously.

[MannyGoldstein]

249. More than a little! nt

[Rob H.]

167. That's not scrubbing. Not even close.

What bmus meant by scrubbing is removing a link to a potentially embarrassing area of a website, going in and deleting any incriminating posts, and then showing the original link again, which is what happened at the offsite Hillary group. Unless something has changed in the last couple of weeks, there's still at least one area of that site that's closed to all but original members, too--gee, I wonder why.

What you're thinking of as scrubbing would actually be a private Facebook group. Not the same thing.

[beam me up scottie]

179. Shhhhhhh, she's on a roll!

[BainsBane]

191. I didn't claim the use of the term was accurate

I said it was a term she used.

Let me understand this: Talking shit about people on a closed FB page is okay, but having a website where the general public can view certain sections but not others is not okay?

I don't know how anyone could claim to know posts had been deleted unless they themselves did the deleting.

[beam me up scottie]

206. "Talking shit about people on a closed FB page is okay" Link please!

You don't want people to think you're lying, do you?

[Rob H.]

211. ^^What she said.

Links or GTFO.

[AlbertCat]

299. "Talking shit about people on a closed FB page is okay"

Actually, it is okay. Why wouldn't it be? It would just be scuttlebutt and snark on some Facebook page and nothing to get bent out of shape over. Who cares about FB???? Especially if it's "closed"! All kinds of groups I assume do this all the time.

[Rob H.]

209. Oh, please.

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"I don't know how anyone could claim to know posts had been deleted unless they themselves did the deleting."

There were posts over there disparaging bmus and AgingAmerican until a member of that site and DU posted an OP here inviting DUers to visit. I saw the comments myself. Then the section of the site containing those posts was temporarily shuttered and when it reopened, violà, those posts were either deleted or moved. Whatever the case, they weren't where they once were. Apparently the admins there think people are so dumb that they wouldn't notice anything had changed.

And then there's also the matter of deleted posts being shown here thanks to these things called "screenshots" that you may (or may not) have heard of. Some DUers had the foresight to take some of the more egregious posts there specifically in anticipation of them being deleted.

Edit: Well, well, it looks as if the posts about bmus and Aging American weren't scrubbed, but others were.

[merrily]

260. Who ya gonna believe, someone whose real name you don't even know, or your own lying eyes?

Funny, I can tell when posts on a message board get deleted, even if I don't delete them myself. I didn't know it was supposed to be rocket science.

[beam me up scottie]

317. Got that link to the fb page yet, Bainsbane?

This is the 2nd time you've made this claim and run away.

[MannyGoldstein]

246. Are you seriously stalking people on Facebook?

Jeez Louise.

[beam me up scottie]

332. Any links to my facebook page yet?

Surely you had time to track me down by now.

[mr blur]

293. No, no exceptions - all faiths, followers and faitheists ridiculed equally.

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Plenty of righteous indigation and self-importance for all of you.

[Rob H.]

298. I dunno about anyone else in this thread

but I'm finding it unbelievably hypocritical that someone who had #fuckthebern in her sig line (until she was called on it) and on her "About Me" page (though she finally had the good sense to remove it from there, too) is apparently finding it perfectly reasonable to lecture other people about civility.

[beam me up scottie]

320. I agree.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

[LiberalAndProud]

322. I'm more entertained when we pick on Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists.

Some ideas are simply ridicule-worthy.

[historylovr]

82. Actually, the stick quote was this:

"At this point I wouldn't be surprised if supporters praised her for beating someone with a stick."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251750653

[NCTraveler]

85. In a conversation about what? Nt

[historylovr]

88. You said someone said Hillary could beat someone with a stick and that person would still

vote for her after being beaten. I was simply linking to what was actually written.

If that wasn't the quote you were talking about, then mea culpa.

[merrily]

98. Gee,you've described two whole comments from two whole people.

[AlbertCat]

147. A Sanders supporter.... Another claimed

Well, that two....


please go on with what all the rest of Sanders' supporters said or claimed...

[JI7]

14. Clinton pEople aren't going in black sites attacking

Them.

[sibelian]

45. No they're just shuffling them around like pieces on a board.

Much nicer.

[jfern]

16. It's all OK, since Hillary said she spoke to MLK and has black friends

https://twitter.com/GH0STFaceShenda/status/660196054617444352

[DianeK]

19. Third way sucks...

Let's just get on with the Revolution!

[Scuba]

104. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[liberal_at_heart]

107. Exactly. On with the Revolution!

[sibelian]

29. He's so MEEEEAN. Meean and and and and HAAAATEFUL.

Christ, they're just beneath fucking contempt.

[SidDithers]

27. Manny, tell us again about gefilte fish and watermelon...nt

Sid

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Why don't *you* tell us about it?

Is this about my famous chicken and watermelon joke that nobody can ever link to?

Do you folks ever deal in non-nonsense?

[Autumn]

304. That bit about the chicken and watermelon joke is well on it's way to being an Urban Legend.

Congratulations Manny

[zappaman]

306. Are we still pretending you didn't joke about black folks, chicken, and watermelon?

You really are something.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358

[MannyGoldstein]

314. That's a chicken and watermelon joke?

LOL!

[BainsBane]

36. You conveniently forget

or rather ignore, that the problem with Bernie and BLM was not the candidate himself but those among his supporters who took it upon themselves to harass black activists online, declare BLM a Soros-Clinton conspiracy, and complain that BLM had no right to criticize someone as superior as Bernie.

Clinton's supporters haven't done that, and they won't because they do not have the value system that would enable such behavior. People chose to show exactly who they were through their reactions to BLM interrupting Sanders, and that will not and cannot be unseen. As the saying goes, When people tell you who they are, pay attention. I paid attention. I will never see people who worked to discredit BLM as anything but what they showed themselves to be.


When exactly did BLM stop being a Soros funded, Clintonian conspiracy? It would be helpful if there was a list somewhere informing us of when CTs expire.

[sibelian]

42. Using your own cognition as a model for understanding someone else's is sometimes a bad idea.

It's a different problem from "projection", which is a more instinctive and reflexive process, but the effect is exactly the same. And it's just as obvious.

[beam me up scottie]

51. I missed your insight!

Welcome back!

[BainsBane]

56. Do you have any actual evidence to refute my points?

Because I and scores of other people here can point to many threads and tweets demonstrating exactly what I recounted. There have also been articles published on the subject.
I shouldn't have to remind anyone of those events. You keep pretending it's all my fault, that there is something wrong with me for remembering what you decided is to your advantage to bury. It doesn't change what happened. Those reactions have become an indelible part of the history of this election.

[sibelian]

92. I'm not interested in your points.

You aren't here to make any points. You're here to satisfy an imaginary audience in your head that approves of the status you've gained for yourself on an Internet message board.

[L0oniX]

100. +1 Good catch.

[BainsBane]

123. Then don't read or respond to them

and you ought to take some of your own advice about projection.

There is an issue here about Black Lives Matters and people who worked to discredit it because they believed one presidential candidate unable to take criticism, and in the process ensured that candidate's support base would not reflect the demographic diversity of the Democratic party.

As much as you might think random grudges you decide to pick with complete strangers online more interesting, I do not share that view. If you can't bring yourself to discuss this or any subject matter, then don't respond.

[tkmorris]

240. And the (imaginary) crowd roared

[Capt. Obvious]

289. Spot

On

[merrily]

344. A status gained among a minority of the board's posters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026592890

[MannyGoldstein]

111. "When exactly did BLM stop being"

"When exactly did BLM stop being a Soros funded, Clintonian conspiracy?"

What the hell are you talking about?

[BainsBane]

160. I will post the links when I get back

Had a post ready with a bunch of them but somehow lost it in the tabs. Will assemble again later.

[BainsBane]

164. Found it

Here are just a few. There are many, many more.
(In no particular order. Only one link per thread provided, but there are often repeated references by multiple members in a given threads).

http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2015/08/09/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter-race-divide-in-seattle/40394
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251458059
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=461617
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251502198


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251502334#post97
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505858

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251502231#post5
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141170639#post186
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251465196
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027061446

[merrily]

148. LOL!

[polly7]

155. LOL. Pure as the driven snow.

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[beam me up scottie]

185. Holy shit. Half of Stormfront supports Sanders?

If that's where they hang out no wonder they post anti-Semitic diatribes over there.

[Warren DeMontague]

241. Wow.

That's an impressive level of batshittery, right there.

[ucrdem]

50. Abuse of satire

from a talk by Gary Trudeau:

Ridiculing the non-privileged is almost never funny—it’s just mean. . . . It’s not easy figuring out where the red line is for satire anymore. But it’s always worth asking this question: Is anyone, anyone at all, laughing? If not, maybe you crossed it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/the-abuse-of-satire/390312/

[JoePhilly]

73. #strawmanny

[treestar]

80. LOL!

[merrily]

361. Phillyofit. Great game you created! Kudos!

[liberal_at_heart]

84. And if Hillary wins the primary, we will told we must vote for Hillary despite the hateful nature

in which we have been treated. Well I already was not going to vote for Hillary if she wins the nom but I don't see how they can possibly expect Bernie supporters to vote for her after the racist campaign in 2008 and now again in 2015. At some point the hate and the abuse will become too much and it will cause a schism in the party if it hasn't already.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

245. Hillary's campaign certainly did not treat Obama well in 2008

in fact things got very ugly.

[stevil]

91. Dude

Bernie supporters went on the offensive on twitter, facebook and blogs to try to put BLM in its place for GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM, Hillary supporters didn't. Thats why. It was never really about Bernie. It was about thin skin and being tone deafness, your diary proves that you never bothered to listen/learn. If you sent what you wrote today to Bernie do you think he would be proud of you? Enjoy the recs tho....

[AlbertCat]

173. put BLM in its place for GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM,

You mean for promoting a GOP meme that was a lie.

"Hillary supporters didn't."

Not one?

Well, they've made up for it by throwing BLM out of a Clinton speech.... about race, not economics....


Every single one of Clinton supporters just love all minorities, I'm sure. Because all supporters are the same and are exact clones of who they are supporting.

[stevil]

224. You can nitpick all you want....

Yeah, keep the CT meme alive . Bernie didn't need or want that kind of support. To double down is a huge mistake, but have at it warrior

[bravenak]

94. At least we are not accusing them of starting a war or anything.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=1251503212&info=1#recs

[Cali_Democrat]

106. The poster who created that thread has an interesting posting history.

Do an advanced search of all the original posts he's created over the last year.

Pretty much every post is about black people.

It's amazing what advanced searching can reveal...

[bravenak]

108. I noticed he has a fascination.

Reminded me of AJ90 at first.

[polly7]

110. Oh what a load of garbage!

[sabrina 1]

242. Absolutely. There is not a shred of credibility left! The game is over and they know it, or should.

[merrily]

121. You consider yourself an outlier?

[bravenak]

124. Why?

[merrily]

128. Because the post to which you linked specified "outliers."

[bravenak]

132. That person was discussin BLM Seattle. They called them outliers based only on opinion.

[AlbertCat]

176. You consider yourself an outlier?

Bravenak speaks for a majority of blacks apparently.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=728432

[portlander23]

112. I dunno Manny

I didn't support it when some Sanders supporters railed against BLM for protesting the "wrong" person, and now I've seen Clinton supporters react the same way, and I don't support that either. It's not up to us to tell BLM which candidate is acting in their best interest. And as far as the hashtags you mentioned, BLM is not a monolithic group. The people who posted those tags for Sanders aren't the same people who staged a protest at the Clinton event. You're not going to get the same protest in the same way.

We really should take moment here and appreciate BLM for what it is. The people who posted those hashtags are the aggrieved party. We're not the ones who were harmed because we were made to feel uncomfortable. BLM has an agenda, one that I hope we would all agree with, and they are intentionally attempting to make the candidates, and by extension we supporters, uncomfortable.

This is a service they're doing for us, and we'd be best served by listening.

People are going to call Sanders supporters racist, sexist, BernieBros, whatever. So what. Let's focus on us being better and let people who hurl epithets be seen for what they are by their own actions, not by our reactions.

[Bobbie Jo]

122. In their own words...

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If not - then I never want to hear another @#$%ing thing in my life about the evils of Bernie Supporters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027165

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503212

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506368

Snootful, indeed...

eta: a couple more...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060303

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656

Funny, no one seems to want to discuss any of these remarks. These were some of the most disgusting comments I've ever seen here, coming from the SAME people who now want to embrace BLM?

Unbelievable.

[sabrina 1]

142. Oh, yes. You are definitely not the only one Manny! It was disgusting, vile and we didn't need to go

**vhide on some cave like site to say what needed to be said.

I wonder if they have ANY idea of how they hurt, NOT BERNIE, but their own candidate.

I can't say I have ever seen such vileness in any campaign other than maybe the 2008 campaign, though I don't remember it getting this disgusting and vile at this early stage back then

Maybe it's time for Bernie's Supporters to stage a Protest of one of Hillary's events demanding she apologize for the sheer viciousness that was aimed at a man who did NOTHING but defend HER when ever he had the chance.

[gwheezie]

162. Please do

That should solidify support for Bernie. Do you think Bernie would endorse his supporters turning up to protest Hillary for being mean to Bernie?

[stevil]

226. LOL!!!!

What planet are you on?

By all means, put words into action and protest Hillary to demand



"she apologize for the sheer viciousness that was aimed at a man who did NOTHING but defend HER when ever he had the chance".

Just make sure to clear it with Bernie's campaign first, see how he feels about that. LOL!!!

[merrily]

253. That site hurts no one but its participants and their cred. JMO.

It is far too miniscule and, IMO, poor, to impact their candidate or, for that matter, anyone's candidate.

[Aerows]

156. I can't wait for the fucking primaries to be over.

A handful of people are turning this wonderful site, with so many neat people I've met, into the harassment zone.

We already know that certain members are purposefully alert stalking - there is proof that they wanted to run off cali.

The road to the primaries is apparently going to be rough, and some of this that has been blasted far and wide, but doesn't amount to progress. It amounts to dust.

You don't swat gnats while the tigers are eating your ass.

[merrily]

178. Gotta Go. Happy Hallowe'en, everyone. Guess I'll see you on all Saints' Day!

[Todays_Illusion]

212. Considering that she just said she supports the Death Penalty and considering

what the statistics say about who is executed, I don't think she needs any help trashing her image.

[Doctor_J]

215. don't forget "not good enough, Hillary"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

[NuclearDem]

223. Yes, we get it. You're the real victims here.

It's really hard having your feelings hurt by proxy. Are you sure you'll be okay?

Oh, and by the time I finish writing this, another black American will have died by the hands of either the police or community violence.

But please, don't let me stop you from whining about something the person actually directly affected by the incident got over months ago.

[Hydra]

225. It's kinda funny in a way

They're basically making themselves invisible. I should have all of them on my ignore list again, but frankly, I see their posts...and there's nothing in them except hate.

I miss unrec- we wouldn't be seeing any of their OPs, they would all be -100 if so.

[SoapBox]

231. Thank you for saying it.

[leftofcool]

234. You still mad about Bernie stomping off the stage?

[merrily]

250. LOL. More creativity! There was no stomping. There was no accusing Hillary of shouting.

Most of what can be said against Bernie has to be fabricated.

[jfern]

264. They will say anything even though their candidate is "inevitable".

[merrily]

267. Your implication about double standards throughout this primary pains me.

#hillarysohardworkingwhiteconstitutents

#hillarysoalllivesmatter

#hillarysodeathpenalty

And heaven knows, the MSM, the DLC/DNC and everything and everyone else has treated them both as inevitable anointees from day one (in 2012).

I fail to comprehend the nature of, or basis for, what I assume is your dissatisfaction.

[stonecutter357]

281. more and more desperate!

[Warren DeMontague]

286. "Oh, youuuuu"

It's like totally different, because reasons.

[Zorra]

300. Recommend. nt

[TheSarcastinator]

305. spot-on commentary!

Can you imagine the outrage that would occur if the hashtag #bowdownhillary was promoted here or anywhere on the internet? It is shameful hypocrisy; exactly what one should expect from expert ratf*ckers and paid internet trolls.

[ctsnowman]

307. K & R

[eridani]

321. No Sanders supporters have started hashtqgs like that, and none would tweet them if--

--someone else established the tags. If this were not the case, you'd see them all over.

[sabrina 1]

327. Enough is enough. Thanks Manny, you speak for more people than they know.

[WillyT]

329. Huge, Huge, HUGE... K & R !!!

[Faux pas]

432. Kicketty Kickin'

[Zorra]

443. 440 replies, and I can see only 34 of them. Life is good.

Goddess bless you, dear admins, for creating DU's wonderful ignore function.

[Catherina]

444. 29 for me. Life is even better lol

and I really like the improvement that if an ignored person replies to you, you don't see it under the "My Posts" tab anymore.

Hola sister

[Zorra]

445. Hola Hermana! Yes, a much needed improvement.