Sanders is a small (d) Democrat. Hillary is not.

[AgingAmerican]

Small (d) democrat
A democrat, that is, a person who holds democratic views; not necessarily someone who is a member of a country's "Democratic Party".

Small d Democrats hold traditionally Democratic views. Corporate Democrats do not share these beliefs. Their core values got corrupted by corporate money/right wingism.

O'Malley is also a small d Democrat. Hillary isn't. She is corporate bank funded, fueled and favored 'Democrat'.

[pinebox]

1. hell yes!

[Thinkingabout]

3. Is there any difference on gun violence?

[pinebox]

7. minimum wage, health care, social security

[Thinkingabout]

9. He voted against the Brady Bill more than once, he is a NRA congressional member.

[pinebox]

10. what else

do tell please

[Thinkingabout]

12. That one is enough for me, more Americans killed by gun violence than Americans was killed in Iraq

.

[AgingAmerican]

16. Where does Hillary disagree with him on guns?

Is there any position he holds on guns that she disagrees with?

Seriously.

[Thinkingabout]

23. He continues to claim he is from a rural state, a very poor excuse. He does not take responsibility

for issues which he knows he is wrong.

Sanders will not be the DNC nominee

[beam me up scottie]

27. Why won't you answer the question? Where does Hillary disagree with him on guns?

[artislife]

56. Hillary isn't asking the nation to hand in their guns.

Not like she is asking to make gun owners carry insurance or taxing ammo at a large amount. Nope. Let alone taking on the 2nd amendment and banning guns.

It is tiring.

[beam me up scottie]

57. If she wins the nomination it will stop being an issue for her.

After watching her performance in 2008 I don't believe she's changed that much.

[artislife]

60. Yup

We might get a post office renamed, though.

[pinebox]

28. this

[senz]

61. I don't understand what your point is, pinebox.

To me, Hillary is complaining about gun manufacturers' protection from liability. As I recall, Bernie voted in favor of their "protection" from lawsuits-- I think (again, mere recollection) on the grounds that guns, like hammers or tire irons, or bows and arrows, can be used for good or ill and that the manufacturers cannot be held responsible for what people do with their products.

I don't particularly like guns, but Bernie's response seems logical.

I always admire your comments, but this one doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe I'm just tired tonight, I dunno -- but can you explain it?

[pinebox]

21. so just American lives

are what matter? How Randian of you.

[Thinkingabout]

26. Hey, I am a Democrat, I don't jump off in the libertarian line I see of others. BTW, calling some

Randian does not win any points for you.

[pinebox]

36. you repeated a libertarian talking point

twice in 2 days now. Not here for the popularity contest.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251757985#post117

[waldo.c]

42. But Bernie is...

..responsible for the gun violence. I don't think so. Remember these guys who were reacting to rumours spread by their own party through a compliant media
https://fmonster.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/rundown-republicans/912-teaparty-dc-we-came-unarmed-this-time

What about this genius and his friends https:
//www.google.com.au/search?q=we+came+unarmed+this+time+picture&biw=1264&bih=736&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB4QsARqFQoTCMvRo_Tw9cgCFQGQlAod198KoA#tbm=isch&q=NRA+memeberspicture&imgrc=JQoMCfPj6Bkz-M%3A

America is soaked in guns. The first step to dealing with that problem is to elect an honest President.

[AgingAmerican]

13. You sound desperate when you post this nonsense

Seriously, it's 2015. You need to update your rants.

[Thinkingabout]

14. Gun violence is occurrng in 2015. This is very update.

[AgingAmerican]

18. On which gun issue do you disagree with him in 2015?

Can you name one?

[Thinkingabout]

22. Laws should be passed in Congress and would be if not for those who are NRA congressional members.

Sanders is a member of Congress, has he sponsored a bill to make background checks greater? No, if he did that NRA would be calling on him.

[beam me up scottie]

24. What is an "NRA congressional member" and how is Bernie one?

He voted in favour of expanded background checks and for assault weapons bans.

Which of those do you think the NRA approves of?

[AgingAmerican]

65. Yep and he backed every single measure in Obama's gun control package

...after Sandy Hook.

[beam me up scottie]

66. "NRA congressional member" - they're just making shit up as they go along.

The truth doesn't matter, lies, smears, accusations, whatever it takes to win, just like 2008.

[Karma13612]

35. He voted down the federal law. His reason

Was that he felt it should be legislated at the state level.

You know, like a LOT of laws are done.

[sabrina 1]

49. Lol! That was last week's talking point. Didn't go anywhere.

This week's talking point has something to do with toxic dumping. That too has been thoroughly debunked.

These talking points cost a lot of money.

I'm almost sorry to see them waste so much corporate money only to see it go down the drain.

[JonLeibowitz]

62. I am starting to think that David Brock himself is lurking on these forums.

In that case, hi David!

[senz]

51. Not true. The NRA gave him a D- grade. That's a fact.

You don't seem very honest when you say things like that. How tiresome it must be to always have to push the latest Hillary meme. How tiresome to support such a low character.

[zalinda]

52. It depends

are you talking about here in the US or in other countries that we have 'helped' thanks to our SOS Hillary.

Z

[Thinkingabout]

2. Hillary has been a Democrat for a very long time, a small (d) Democrat does not vote with the NRA,

this would exclude Sanders of whom is noted in Congress as an Independent, against what some believe Sanders does not always caucus with Democrats.

On the corporate deals, Sanders needs to explain his close relationship with Lockheed Martin and also explain his Wall Street banker. Sanders needs to be honest with people, admit his connections.

Sanders will not be the DNC nominee.

[AgingAmerican]

5. Sanders is a small d Democrat

on EVERY issue. Hillary is not. She is a big D Democrat corporate funded.

[Thinkingabout]

8. Sanders votes with the RW on gun issues, he is rewarding the NRA for the $18,000 donaton to defeat

his opponent.

The gun issue will not endear Sanders to lots of voters, he will not be the DNC nominee.

[AgingAmerican]

11. No he does not

He backed every proposal in Obama's gun control package after Sandy Hook. He has a D- rating from the NRA.

Face it, Sanders and O'Malley are the only democrats in this race.

[Thinkingabout]

19. He should have a F rating from the NRA, he voted to give immunity to gun manufactures, yes he is a

NRA congressional member. Since Sanders has always maintained the Independent status he is the only candidate in the DNC primary who is not a Democrat. You can say Clinton is not a Democrat forever but Sanders will not be the DNC nominee.

[Karma13612]

30. You should actually read the

Details about that vote.

He voted against suing a gun manufacturer if a person uses a gun to murder someone.

Would you sue a hammer company if someone beat the life out of someone with a hammer????

Hum????

[Thinkingabout]

31. I have read his story, the NRA was pushing the bill.

[AgingAmerican]

74. Does Hillary disagree with him?

He stated that gun store owners shouldn't be sued for legally selling guns, but those who sell guns illegally should be prosecuted.

Do you believe a gun store owner is legally responsible for what happens with that legally sold gun after it leaves the store? Does Hillary? If she does, why doesn't she say so?

Has Hillary even staked out a position on guns? All I have heard from her is vague rhetoric. How does she differ from him?

[Thinkingabout]

75. This is the only group with this immunity, why are they special.

One of the items brought up often is the hammer manufactures, why not give them immunity? Everyone want to talk about fairness and now some are fighting for biased laws to remain. Equality should apply here also.

[Vattel]

15. Lol, okay that is funny. "He is rewarding the NRA for the $18,000 donation . . ."

Do you think anyone in the universe believes that?

[Thinkingabout]

20. Only those who deny facts does not believe this.

[Karma13612]

33. What wall st banker????

What connections????

And unless you have a crystal ball, you do not know who is going to be the nominee.

[Thinkingabout]

34. There might be more facts which is not widely known about Sanders, closer to the first primary the

more which will come out.

[Qutzupalotl]

80. FUD. Sanders has been in politics a long time.

His opponents have had decades to come up with dirt, but haven't been able to.

[Thinkingabout]

81. Time will tell, it is not to destroy Sanders but to show where there is a difference of opinion and

facts.

[sabrina 1]

50. Sanders is going to be the nominee because Hillary cannot win the GE. You can't win a GE with only

two thirds of the Dem base, now only 32% of registered voters. Hilary doesn't have crossover appeal, as demonstrated by her inability to beat either Trump or Carson. Bernie does, and beats all Repubs in polls re the GE.

[Thinkingabout]

54. A candidate can not win with 30% of tbe vote, with 50% of the vote.

Sanders will not win the nomination with 30%, it is simple.

[senz]

53. Anybody can join a damn party. It doesn't tell you who they are.

I've been a Democrat since I was old enough to vote, but that doesn't tell you who I am and what I believe. What counts is what I actually stand for, not the political party I signed up for half a century ago.

"Demos" means "people." "Cracy" means "rule." "Democracy" means the people rule.

Bernie is for the people. Bernie is for democracy. Bernie is a democrat.

Hillary has no concern for the people, for ordinary working Americans. Hillary is for the very rich and powerful. Hillary is for oligarchy and plutocracy. She does not support democracy. Doesn't matter what party she signed up for. She is not a democrat.

AND YOU KNOW THAT.

When I read your comments, I have to remind myself that you do not speak for Ann Richards. I think she would be embarrassed to read what you write.

[Thinkingabout]

55. I have never said I speak for Ann Richards but she knew what a Democrat stands for.

All the shouting in the world is going to change the fact Clinton is the best qualified candidate for president and change the will of the people to elect Clinton as the DNC nominee.

[senz]

64. I honestly do not consider Hillary a true Democrat

nor do I consider her more qualified than anyone else running on the Democratic ticket. I do not think First Lady qualifies as experience, and her record in the Senate and as SoS is not particularly admirable or even remarkable. She may be well-known, but that's not a qualifier. I don't think she has shown any vision whatsoever, and neither has she demonstrated leadership qualities.

Seriously.

[Thinkingabout]

68. Then we don't agree, if you can't accept Clinton as a hard core liberal then

Sanders can't be accepted as a hard core liberal. Sanders is too far left, I dont agree with the socialist side of Sanders, his positions runs too deep. The means he has presented on paying for his agenda so far does not meet the needs of he cost.

[senz]

71. A bought-and-sold "Democrat" cannot be a "hard core liberal."

Sanders' "socialist side" is in keeping with FDR's "socialist" programs that paved the way for a strong economy, a prosperous middle class, and a can-do, optimistic attitude in this country that paved the way for the social and environmental programs of the 60's and 70s -- all of which is GONE now, thanks to the corporate takeover of our government in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

FDR paid for these "socialist" programs with a progressive (ascending) tax structure. The chart below shows the top marginal tax rate from 1912 to 2008.



We can do it again, Thinkingabout, if we elect Bernie Sanders to the presidency. Hillary belongs and is beholden to the oligarchy (great wealth and big corporations); she would never do what we need to restore the country. Never.

Think about it.

[Thinkingabout]

78. A self identified socialist can not be a democrat. On the oligarchy, this country is not ruled by

the few, unless 34% continues to be the number which shows up to vote. This is a personal choice of the no voters. How many programs or foundations has been created by Sanders which does good for others like the Clintons? Just name the foundation which Sanders has created and backed which does anything close to the Clinton foundation?

[ljm2002]

70. "All the shouting in the world"...

...hmmm, where have I heard that before?

Careful there, you may be treading in treacherous waters when using that phrase. Just ask Bernie!

[brooklynite]

4. It must be exciting to be able to decide who's a "real" democrat...

...please use these special powers only for good.

[AgingAmerican]

6. There is no need to 'decide'

One need only listen to what they say, and who funds them.

I vote based on beliefs. Not slick packaging and marquee lights.

[senz]

58. It's not that difficult, brooklynite

Look up the definitions of democracy, oligarchy and oligarchy's little buddy, plutocracy. Start with dictionary definitions and then go deeper in your research until you feel that you have a fair sense of what the terms mean. Then take some time out of your busy day to think about how these terms would apply to a candidate's record, behavior, decisions, transactions, connections, associations, etc. Talk with others about it if that helps. Since these are politicians, their record and behavior should be given more weight than their words.

Then, if you're honest with yourself, it should become reasonably clear which candidates are essentially democratic and which are oligarchic/plutocratic in their outlook and political/financial behaviors.

Not that hard to do.

[brooklynite]

69. And you know what a hallmark of Democracy is?

Accepting that you lost an election. Which she did.

But please do try to convince voters that she's not a "real" democrat. None of the other Sanders campaign strategies seem to be working.

[senz]

72. Please don't make me lose respect for you.

You constantly speak as though you are "in the know." Anyone who knows the bare minimum about democracy should know that the "hallmark of democracy" (it's spelled with a small "d," grow up) is centered in the relationship of the people to the government, i.e., the people rule. That's all the people, right down to the commoners, which is most of us (yes, probably even you). That is what our founders intended, within the social/conceptual limitations of their time.

Please do not overlook that. Do not dismiss it. It is central. We have all but lost it. It is time to regain it.

I am asking you to think.

[WillyT]

17. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

Most "Democrats" these days wouldn't know a democrat if they tripped over one.

[upaloopa]

25. Geez stop the bull shit already

Hillary became a democrat in high school after taking President Johnson's side in a debate.

[Karma13612]

29. Try again.

It wasn't until Yale law school.

[upaloopa]

32. He said small d democrat.

In High school Hillary was a Goldwater girl. Her teacher challenged her to take President Johnson's side in a debate. She studied up for the debate and has been a democrat ever since.

I can't find the link where I read that

[JonLeibowitz]

63. She was president of the young republicans at Wellesley

Note that I don't hold what a candidate believed when they were in college against them. They are formative years and should be used to explore one's political identity. As she clearly did.

This whole "Hillary Clinton was a young republican" meme is annoying and distracting from the real issues of the campaign

[cstanleytech]

43. Sadly the bull shit attacks varies people make against Hillary and Bernie are not going to stop

until this election is over, best we can do is just hold on as its going to be a wild ride.

[GoneFishin]

37. Correct.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. Show me ANY place

Bernie Sanders has called himself a Democrat..big OR small d!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

39. Democrats are supposedly for the people

I don't see this in Hillary but I do see this in Bernie and Martin.

[Thespian2]

40. Accurate definition

I am a small d progressive and support Bernie...the 1%er is a corporate shill intent on raking in more corporate cash from Goldman, WellsFargo, CIBC, TD, Insurance companies, etc...Those voters who don't see it, don't want to see it...

Long race ahead...real challenge...

BERNIE: true believer in the American people...

[jalan48]

41. We are going to see the breakup of the Democratic Party.

If Hillary gets the nomination she may get the Progressive vote this time but after the general election we are going to see Progressives break away (along with Greens). We can no longer pretend we are all one big party, we are not. Climate change by itself is a far too serious issue to let Wall Street candidates dictate the future of our children and grandchildren.

[MisterP]

44. but we're not North Korea: therefore we're a perfect representative democracy!

listen to your betters and the political class they represent, not introductory poli sci!

[MohRokTah]

45. Sanders is no Democrat at all. eom

[senz]

59. Reread the OP, Moh. Pay attention.

[Renew Deal]

46. You're still at this?

No amount of twisting it will make Sanders a Democrat.

[AgingAmerican]

67. No twisting necessary

He is a small d democrat. Once upon a time the Democratic party believed certain things. Many of us still believe in those things.

[senz]

47. Absolutely. She is nowhere near the democrat that Bernie is. Not even close.

I know quite a bit about Hillary and Bernie, and on those two, every word of your OP is true.

I actually don't know that much about O'Malley, but so far he sounds pretty good, certainly better than Hillary.

[SoapBox]

48. Bottom line...she's Third Way.

And about big money, big power, the War Machine...and it goes on and on.

She would be no different than her husband or Obama.

We've enough of them.

[senz]

73. I adore your sig line images.

Always have. Am so glad to see you writing more OPs -- you have much to add to the discussion, and we need all the intelligence we can get around here.

[VanillaRhapsody]

76. She is a Socialist Democrat...by anybody's definition.

[UglyGreed]

77. K/R

[jwirr]

79. K&R Small d democrat here.