Hillary goes for the race card against Bernie

[NCTraveler]

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Author claims that Africans have a lower IQ than Europeans and that it's genetic. Then issues apology for not checking his facts.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/features/2007/created_equal/liberalcreationism.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/features/2007/created_equal/regrets.html

Clinton was recently at an event where she attacked republicans with respect to their rhetoric on racial issues. This author took great offense and tried to spin it as Clinton playing the race card. Yes, his contortions were painful to read. Seems it's not his first foray into contortion land to make himself feel superior.

Know your ratfuckers.

Edit to add some comments from when the article was discussed here in 2007.





"Anybody who wants to make this "an issue" is race-baiting ass."

"It's racism alright."

"Almost anything can be used by nuts and racists..."

"racists won't listen to reason on this subject"

"If you read the references, you'll find this joker's entire argument is based on "studies" from known white supremacists."

"The article's main source was Jensen. A white supremacist who gets his "research" money from the Pioneer Fund, a recognized hate group committed to proving the eugenic superiority of the white race."

"Until then, they can stick their thinly disguised eugenics up their asses."

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. Well Bernie did try to play the Reverse Race Card

by taking Cornell West to SC thinking that was going to go well for him.....but it blew up in his face.

[demwing]

51. What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world

yet forfeit their soul?

You've really come a long way VR. It's not often that a person manages to get me to quote the bible.

[sufrommich]

2. Of course she was talking about republicans,faux

outrage is faux. Sanders supporters here sure have some strange bedfellows though.

[AlbertCat]

38. Of course she was talking about republicans,

I think she'll be happy if it lands on anyone.


Sanders did say that the urban gun control problem is different from the rural gun control problem (it is)...after stating that VT was a rural state. So "urban" in his comment clearly was not a buzz word for race, but the opposite of "rural". Still, it's not outrageous to think Hillary wouldn't care if her vague statements landed on Sanders as well as Repugs. I think she's counting on it.

[sufrommich]

39. What bullshit. She was clearly talking about the toxic

racism that inspires mass shootings in black churches,she was not talking about anyone other than racists and the party that encourages them. The fact that you're now trying to make the claim that ,although she didn't say it,she was thinking it,is absurd.

[Iliyah]

3. Un huh, just like it was fact that Blacks were "flat" footed (very little arch) and therefore

would never be champion swimmers.

[livetohike]

4. K&R

[Cali_Democrat]

5. People on DU are spreading the words of a racist while accusing Hillary of being racist?

Any port in a storm, I suppose.

[sufrommich]

6. Let me kick this for you.

I may kick it a few times. People should be made aware of what's going on here.

[NCTraveler]

10. I added a little in post 8 you might be interested in seeing. nt.

[sufrommich]

12. Yeah,add this to the fact that we've now got posters

trying to deny that republicans don't mean black people when they use the term "urban". It's a dog whistle that everybody acknowledged right up until Hillary acknowledged it too. Crazy.

[rbrnmw]

7. Kicking for truth

[NCTraveler]

8. A couple of comments from du when this article was discussed in 2007.

"Anybody who wants to make this "an issue" is race-baiting ass."

"It's racism alright."

"Almost anything can be used by nuts and racists..."

"By DU standards, Slate is a BushCo neoncon enabling bunch...And I only say that half-sarcastically."

"racists won't listen to reason on this subject"

"If you read the references, you'll find this joker's entire argument is based on "studies" from known white supremacists."

"The article's main source was Jensen. A white supremacist who gets his "research" money from the Pioneer Fund, a recognized hate group committed to proving the eugenic superiority of the white race."

"Until then, they can stick their thinly disguised eugenics up their asses."

[MineralMan]

9. Kick to point out that sources matter.

I encourage everyone to check their sources before posting things on DU.

There's no good being done by posting stuff from right-wing, racist or other sources that have a history of writing lies.

[JustAnotherGen]

13. +1

[BlueCaliDem]

27. + 1000! Always consider the SOURCE.

I've made a couple of mistakes myself by not checking the source and his/her background and funding. I'm far more careful these days, though.

[lunamagica]

56. +1 Absolutely.

[mcar]

11. K&R

[sufrommich]

14. kick. nt

[Starry Messenger]

15. The last time I tried to point out that Saletan was a conservative ratfucker

someone got in my face about it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251728582#post7

Thanks for the thread NCTraveler.

[sufrommich]

41. Well,that's interesting. nt

[Starry Messenger]

58. Isn't it though?

Up is down.

[mmonk]

16. As you know, I just recently left here but decided to peruse the site anyway.

What does this have to do with Bernie Sanders and our campaign?

[NCTraveler]

17. This exact author is being used to call Clinton a racist.

This author was universally reviled here in '07 as a promoter of racist views. Not only that, in his current article it has been clearly shown he is blatantly lying to make his point. In 2007 he was considered a racist ratfucker, today he is being used as a guiding light to attack Clinton as a racist.

[mmonk]

19. And?

[NCTraveler]

20. I don't know what you mean by "and"?

It's pretty obvious.

[mmonk]

23. Did he write about Bernie and the current campaign?

I'm a little slow, so forgive me. I might also offer my experience as an Obama delegate in 2008 as I and my son were about to enter the JJ event in Dorton Arena Raleigh. We were approached by two women carrying Hillary Clinton signs and were told there was no way they would vote for (the N word) for president. Also, I have no knowledge of this so called writer but one of the many reasons I left were the insinuations we were aloof liberals unconcerned about police brutality against PoC.

[NCTraveler]

24. Going to let you figure this out on your own. It's just too easy.

Thanks mmonk.

[mmonk]

25. I wouldn't know how to figure it out quite frankly.

Did someone use his articles? Like I said, I've been absent and soon to be again. At least be informative or your point is lost.

[NCTraveler]

26. See post 17 nt.

[mmonk]

28. I suppose from that he has been used by some to call her a racist.

I've just been trying to tie it in with your op, that is all. Doing that doesn't amount to much as far as Bernie goes. Is it some pro quid pro concerning Bernie or his supporters? You know, it really doesn't matter. Sorry I jumped in to something already going on. This whole primary thing has turned into crap. Non substantive. None of our candidates are racist though some may use any tactic to get elected. I'm out again so take it easy. See you in the movies as they say.

[mmonk]

36. Ok, I now see the post in question.

Save me some time and point things out. I'm not real good at code.

[jhart3333]

42. Welcome back.

Yes it's still bad. This thread is probably not much encouragement to return. But thanks for popping in.

[NCTraveler]

44. Please feel free to elaborate. Your opinion is wanted. Thanks. nt.

[Orrex]

46. One thing I like about Sanders is that he doesn't post bogus GBCW messages.

[demwing]

52. One thing I like about Sanders is that he's not a lying rat fucker

wish I could say the same for everyone that posts here.

[Orrex]

53. Such language! I daresay you'll make me blush!

Goodness gracious!

[demwing]

55. You've heard worse I'm sure

but your Lindsey Graham impersonation is spot on.

[Orrex]

57. Golly! Don't let Sanders know that you support him.

You certainly don't represent his views, attitude or personality.


Golly!

[demwing]

59. find a couch

or I declare, you may just faint!

[Orrex]

62. As long as you vote for Clinton in Nov 2016.

Meanwhile, maybe you should feel your candidate and learn something about human interaction.

[demwing]

63. Right, because no one here had ever accused Bernie of anything, right?

Oh wait, Hillary fans have called him a racist AND a white supremacist, a misogynist, a fool, angry, lazy, bossy, grumpy, ugly, communist, lying, creepy old man.

THAT'S where being respectful has gotten Bernie with Hillary's DU club, so fuck decorum.

[Orrex]

64. Citation, please

So... You like to make stuff up. Got it.

Maybe you should call Sanders and tell him to stuff his respect up his decorum, since you think so little of them.

[demwing]

65. That's a lot of citations

do I have to cite them all, or are there any that you'll admit you've seen and spare me the research?

[Orrex]

66. Well, that's your problem. Don't make claims that you can't support.

Hillary fans have called him a racist AND a white supremacist, a misogynist, a fool, angry, lazy, bossy, grumpy, ugly, communist, lying, creepy old man.

I would say that at least two or three citations for each accusation, made by different DUers in different threads.


I await your response.

[demwing]

67. waiting works for me

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You'll get 1 citation per insult, and the 1st three will be the last to be cited as they are the most common and if you think I believe you really give a damn whether I cited 1 source or three, you're fooling yourself. You'll also get them when I don't have anything more important to do.

As I said, if you think I believe you really give a damn...blah, blah, blah...

Here's ANGRY by the way
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=25027

[Orrex]

68. That's a weak citation

The angry old dude routine has limited appeal

First off, that's a true statement; the "routine" does indeed have limited appeal, except among the flock already converted.

Second, it's an offhand comment describing an ineffective manner of presentation. It isn't really calling Sanders angry or old; it's correctly identifying a strategy that won't work longterm.

Third, Sanders' supporters praise him for his anger, so it's curious that they should object if others comment about his anger--are his supporters the only ones who are authorized to discuss it?

Fourth, the reason I asked for multiple citations is that it's easy to find one outlier whose random comment hurts your feefees. That's also you why need multiple sources, because one ranting blowhard does not a trend make. With equal validity, for example, I could dismiss all Sanders supporters as frothing, unhinged zealots because they call people "lying ratfuckers."

In summary, if you can't back up your claim with adequate citations, then you don't really make a compelling case.


But as long as you vote for Clinton in Nov 2016, then I encourage you to go on with your bad self.

[zappaman]

18. Only a RWer would believe this shit.

Thankfully, no one is fucking stupid enough to promote this shit on DU.

Thanks for the info!

[NCTraveler]

21. +1 nt.

[sufrommich]

22. kick. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

29. Happy to kick and recommend!

This needs to be kept up at the top as long as possible so everyone can see that ratfucker.

[sufrommich]

32. I posted her full speech to the NAACP

here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251765963



Of course it sunk like a stone,can't let the obvious truth get in the way of a easily disproved smear.

[giftedgirl77]

30. K&R

I'm really tired of the bullshit being spewed here by alleged dems.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. This is how despicable the phrenology argument William Saletan made is:

This is how despicable the phrenology argument William Saletan made is:

SHAMEFUL

[sufrommich]

33. He's a racist piece of shit. His original article should

have never made it to any legitimate web page,but it did.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I am going beyond my field of expertise but I believe phrenology has been revealed as quackery...

The big head or big brain theory doesn't make sense because brain size is redundant.

[SunSeeker]

34. K & R

[SoapBox]

37. 3AM phone calls...

Slimy politics.

Some things never change.

[Maedhros]

40. I see nothing in this article from 2007 that relates to Bernie Sanders.

Why does the thread title mention Bernie?

[Vinca]

43. That's what I was wondering.

Is it mandatory to have a Bernie slur in every title line or something?

[Maedhros]

45. It's indicative of a lack of honesty and integrity that pervades the Clinton campaign. [n/t]

[NCTraveler]

49. You really can't figure it out? nt.

[MissDeeds]

50. +1000000 n/t

[Marr]

47. I don't see the connection to Bernie Sanders.

Is this one of those juvenile internet slap fights I've heard so much about?

[lunamagica]

48. K&R. This needs to be seen

[Thinkingabout]

54. Did Clinton make arrangements for Cornell West to go on the campaign trail with Sanders?

He was told that was not a good move, West is not respected.

[Autumn]

60. This guy seems to be all over the place but on some things he appears to make sense

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/the_benghazi_hearing_was_a_self_destructive_partisan_embarrassment_for_the.html

Eleven hours after the hearing began, Gowdy gave up. Clinton was exhausted but still in good humor. Her inquisitors, however, were furious. After all the subpoenas, emails, and testimony, the evidence had once again failed to match their beliefs. But the committee did its job. It clarified the truth about Benghazi: Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong. And Republicans can’t stand it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/the_planned_parenthood_hearings_aren_t_about_those_videos_here_s_the_truth.html

Eventually, Gohmert ran out of gas and tried to remember why he was there. “This is a hearing about Planned Parenthood,” he acknowledged, groping for a connection. His anger and confusion were embarrassing. This is a party in complete disarray, unable to maintain its focus or even choose a leader. And in all its show trials, the saddest spectacle is itself.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/07/iran_hearings_the_congressional_grilling_of_john_kerry_and_ernest_moniz.html

If Republicans win the White House next year, they’ll almost certainly control the entire federal government. Many of them, running for president or aspiring to leadership roles in Congress, are trying to block the nuclear deal with Iran. This would be a good time for these leaders to show that they’re ready for the responsibilities of national security and foreign policy. Instead, they’re showing the opposite. Over the past several days, congressional hearings on the deal have become a spectacle of dishonesty, incomprehension, and inability to cope with the challenges of a multilateral world.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/democratic_presidential_candidates_have_a_strong_economic_message_their.html

Tuesday night’s Democratic presidential debate revealed much more than the state of the horse race. It didn’t just pit Hillary Clinton against Sen. Bernie Sanders, or affect Vice President Joe Biden’s decision about running, or introduce the other candidates. It framed the whole election. Democrats are putting together a case for jerking the leash on capitalism. It’s moral, pragmatic, and smart. It fits the spirit of the times. Republicans had better come up with an answer.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/republican_presidential_candidates_attack_the_truth_in_cnbc_debate_ted_cruz.html

By the end of the evening, Cruz, Carson, Trump, Rubio, and several other candidates had declared war on the press. They claimed to speak for the Republican Party, the American people, and the truth. These candidates are deluded. Many of their statements were falsified on the spot. Others were exposed as absurd by their opponents. It’s true that the debate exposed a division within the country. But the division isn’t between the press and the public. It’s between people who listen to evidence—reporters, policy analysts, and many Democrats and Republicans—and an impervious, defiant wing of the GOP.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/marco_rubio_is_lying_about_hillary_clinton_lying.html

Rubio Is Lying About Hillary Lying. The Republican candidate’s claims about Hillary Clinton and Benghazi fall apart under scrutiny
Marco Rubio speaks with confidence. That’s a big reason why Republican donors are turning away from Jeb Bush and toward Rubio: They see the Florida senator as a more forceful spokesman for conservatism. Political reporters are dazzled, too. They see Rubio as the emerging “establishment” candidate, ready to take on the know-nothings—Donald Trump and Ben Carson—and the scorched-earth ideologue, Sen. Ted Cruz.
But is Rubio really a mainstream candidate? Or is he, like Cruz, a man who says with firm conviction things that just aren’t true?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/the_gop_s_argument_for_defunding_planned_parenthood_makes_no_sense.html

GOP’s arguments, you have to understand two things about Planned Parenthood. First, most of what it does isn’t abortion. Its affiliates provide about 10 million services a year: 4.4 million tests and treatments related to sexually transmitted diseases, 3.5 million birth-control services, 1 million pregnancy tests, 500,000 breast exams, 378,000 pap tests, and 327,000 abortions. That makes abortions about 3 percent of Planned Parenthood’s work (though a bigger share of its revenue, since abortions are relatively expensive).

Second, more than 80 percent of the money Planned Parenthood gets from the federal government is Medicaid reimbursement. It isn’t assigned to Planned Parenthood up front. It’s paid as compensation to clinics for services they’ve delivered to people covered by Medicaid. If those people choose other doctors or clinics, Planned Parenthood doesn’t get paid.

[NCTraveler]

61. Issues on race aren't one of them.

That is clear for all to see.