in 2016, the People will be United, and we will Mean Action

[NuclearDem]

We won't stand for a candidate who was selected by the party leadership and not democratically by the voters.

[bravenak]

1. I hope we can not go there this time if a candidate does not perform to the expectations of

his fans. That type of nonsense can depress turnout and we need those downticket races to pass any legislation or get control in States.

[JaneyVee]

2. Is this satire?

[NuclearDem]

4. Absolutely not. I refuse to let the convention turn into a coronation.

I'll do a write-in if it comes to that.

[JaneyVee]

5. Ok, now you're joking.

[NuclearDem]

11. I never joke about this.

Neither do I sign loyalty oaths or simply roll over for calls for unity.

[JaneyVee]

12. But your #BernieOrBust IS a loyalty oath.

[NuclearDem]

13. No, it's a statement that I'm going to vote my conscience.

And not what the bought-and-paid-for DNC decides I should vote for.

I won't vote for a candidate I can't trust. If we lose, maybe we can try better in 2020.

[bvar22]

14. It is past time for the "Centrists" to join with the Democratic Wing of The Party

and help us elect a Democrat that will begin to undo some of the damage done to this country since Reagan.

[JaneyVee]

15. And how will losing help...

SCOTUS, criminal justice reform, higher wages, equal pay, climate change, paid sick leave, college affordability, Black lives matter, etc?

I would rather win in 2016 and keep winning in 2020 and beyond.

[cui bono]

17. Losing? The only way the Dems can lose the general is if Hillary is the nominee.

Republicans will turn out in droves to vote against her. Dems will be apathetic. The young - who love Bernie - will stay home if they are handed the same old same old.

The opposite will happen if Bernie is the nominee. People will be excited to finally get to vote for someone who will fight for the people, who is authentic and real and not part of or pals with corporate establishment. There are Republicans who like and support him and would vote for him. The young will be mobilized and a mobilizing force to GOTV. Bernie would win so easily against the GOP AND he would bring in truly Democratic values, not corporate loyalty.

It's a win win.

[JaneyVee]

18. Haha!

This place sometimes. Bernie has 8% support from Af-Americans and 17% support from women. Nominating Bernie will be an electoral disaster. Hillary is beating Bernie across every demographic. Reality.

[cui bono]

19. So they wouldn't vote for the Dem candidate in the general?

Not to mention, as has been brought up so many times before, Bernie isn't as well known as Hillary. The more people know him the more they support him. Plus everything else I said in the previous post.

The polling at this point is based almost entirely on name recognition. Bernie polls better against Republicans than Hillary does. Dems will come out to vote for Bernie who would just stay home if Hillary is the nominee.

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Are you saying

Women and black Democratic party members can be counted on to vote D regardless of who the nominee is . . . but Liberals and Progressives who don't fall in those groups can't be?

As a strong O'Malley supporter - I would be cautious with this line of thinking. It makes the those not in those two groups look like we can't count on them when the chips are down.

O'Malley supporters tend to come from of a place of I want this guy - but if he's not in office this country will be destroyed by a Republican in the White House.

[cui bono]

21. No. I think most Dems who are going to vote are going to vote for the nominee.

But I think that if it is Hillary a lot of people will just not vote. Especially the young. The young vote is fired up for Bernie because they want things to change. Really change.

The poster I was replying to was talking as if the polls in the primary apply to the general, which they do not. She made it sound as if because at this moment in time Hillary is polling better among certain demographics that that would make a difference in the general. That's why I asked her if she thought they were not going to vote for the Dem nominee in the general. Maybe you meant to reply to her?

[JustAnotherGen]

22. I meant to reply to you

I agree with your assessment of what core Democratic Party members will do in the election.

That said - I need a few days to back away from "millenials" aka young voters.

I watched my side of a telecom house get decimated last Thursday - today the other side gets decimated. Last Wednesday we got a pep speech from Senior Management and a Bill Gates Wannabe about Millenials being the future. Except millenials are all about free wifi . . .

They are fickle, want what they want, and throw away the entire house if they don't have precisely the right recessed lighting. Which I think is the point you made.

As an O'Malley supporter - I wish some of the taking things personally between the supporters of two candidates could subside.

We have three smart people as contenders.

The other side is pure evil and will inflict their sociopathic behavior on us - if they get into the White House.

[frazzled]

3. Who are "the people"?

They're every citizen of this country, even those who support Hillary Clinton. Every old, young, and middle-aged person; every liberal, conservative, and moderate Democrat. Even Republicans, it's sad but true, are "the people."

You don't have a lock on the people. Yes, the people will decide this. All people. Not only the ones you have deigned to call "the people."

[NuclearDem]

6. Then who gets to decide? The party establishment?

[frazzled]

7. The people do

The people who go to the polls to vote. I don't know who they will ultimately vote for, but their choice will be made. And it will be "the people's" choice, whatever it is.

I'm about to scream about this cockeyed use of the term "the people."

[NuclearDem]

9. The establishment has their favorite, and they're trying to make sure they get their way.

How can we be sure the vote will be fair?

[frazzled]

10. We can be sure because there are new ways to determine

whether the establishment has implanted chips in our heads. Besides, you can always wear tin foil to prevent against such infestation of your brain and free will by the so-called establishment.

That is all I have to say about this nonsense.

[MineralMan]

8. The will of "the People" will be known from the primaries.

That's what will determine who the nominee is.

[BlueMTexpat]

16. Exactly. eom