2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Clinton campaign is like a bad ex-boyfriend
"If I can't have you, nobody can!"
African-Americans getting tetchy? Just watch, I can fuck this entire situation up with finger wagging and condescending to BLM.
Gay people looking elsewhere? No, no, I will tell you what DOMA was like.
Women looking around? You know, my opponent is pretty sexist for saying words.
So, this is all crazy times. It's neat.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)And shit.
I really, really do not get this campaign.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It astounds me the things people come up with.
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)Bernie Sanders Takes Gloves Off Against Hillary Clinton in Interview
Democratic presidential candidate draws sharper distinctions with front-runner, casting her policy reversals as a character issue.
By Peter Nicholas - WSJ
Nov. 4, 2015 7:49 p.m. ET
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is drawing sharper distinctions with front-runner Hillary Clinton, casting her policy reversals over the years as a character issue that voters should take into account when they evaluate the Democratic field.
Sen. Sanders of Vermont, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, also said the federal investigation of the security surrounding Mrs. Clintons private email account is appropriate.
In the Democratic debate last month, Mr. Sanders said voters were sick and tired of the focus on Mrs. Clintons damn emails. Afterward, many Democrats and political analysts said that he had appeared to dismiss her use of a private email account and server in her four years as secretary of state.
Mr. Sanders rejected that assessment on Wednesday. If her email practices foiled public-records requests or compromised classified information, those are valid questions, Mr. Sanders said.
Mr. Sanderss pointed comments mark a turning point in what has been a polite Democratic contest...
And...
Mr. Sanders said he has long-held positions on issues that werent always popular. Asked about Mrs. Clintons recent announcement that she opposed a Pacific trade deal she had once backed, among other changes in position, he said that consistency on such issues does speak to the character of a person.
He also said that in 2002 he voted against authorizing the U.S. invasion of Iraq, a measure that Mrs. Clinton supported as a New York senator.
It is important to see which candidates have the courage to cast tough votes, to take on very, very powerful interests, he said.
When voters assess whether he or Mrs. Clinton would be tougher on Wall Street financial firms, Mr. Sanders said...
And...
I have been walking the walk, not just talking the talk, he said. He said he took a tough stance against efforts in the 1990s to deregulate the financial sector and suggested that Mrs. Clinton is compromised when it comes to Wall Street regulation, because of donations she has received.
A Wall Street Journal analysis last year showed that financial services were among the largest sources of money Mr. and Mrs. Clinton have taken in since they arrived on the national stage in the 1992 presidential campaign.
People should be suspect of candidates who receive large sums of money from Wall Street and then go out and say, Trust me, Im going to really regulate Wall Street, Mr. Sanders said.
The Rest: http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-takes-gloves-off-against-hillary-clinton-in-interview-1446684586
oasis
(53,986 posts)"flipping the flop".
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)"Prosperity conceals character. Adversity reveals it."
oasis
(53,986 posts)revelations about Bill Cosby. I really am.
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)Bill Cosby was a hero to many and some say the Cosby show helped set the table for the first black president so it's a tough one.
That being said, it's always sad to see people you respect fall.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Truly we are at the end times where the Devil is running amok.
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)Oh, you challenged my bona fides.I answered you here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=766908
Must be kismet because my gf just got home from work. It's 8:12 P.M. PST. She left at 7:30 A.M.
Oh, she clarified why Julio's citizenship is proving to be challenging. INS suggested he go back to Mexico and let Gary petition him.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Seriously?
I know about immigration - my sister-in-law is a Mexican immigrant. This year, my parents and I are trying to give the son of a deported father a nice Christmas. I jokingly refer to him to my gay friends as my adopted son.
I work in social services, where the majority of people I interact with are on Medi-Cal (which is really amazing for care and prescriptions, and totally shit for dental. I just watched someone on 100% disability cash out $1500 from a medical savings account for a friggin root canal).
For you, Sanders is a gamble. For me, Clinton is the status quo. The status quo is killing people. The same ole shit, with slight variations, is not going to save the poor, it's not going to save immigrants, it's not going to save the least among us.
You honestly think Clinton, the most status quo candidate who ever was, is suddenly going to become transformative and make an earnest effort to fix all this? Obama ran to her left and actually advertised as transformative, and he couldn't get much done to change things on the ground.
But Clinton is going to be our savior?
I want to live in your world.
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)That's your way to dehumanize, disrespect, and delegitimize me, and you have no idea who I love and how I live my life.
I am not looking for a savior... I am looking for a candidate who can win the general election so poor folks like me won't be thrown to the wolves while Senator Sanders goes back to his sinecure in the Senate and his supporters, many of whom are upper middle class, go back to their money, status and privilege.
In closing, every time you and your associates verbally shit on me it reveals a lot more about you and them than it can ever reveal about me,
I won't be bullied, not verbally or physically.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Again, I'd like to live in your world.
It's like watching someone claiming Buchanan is going to figure out the slavery problem.
Yeah. Good luck with that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)She will do a lot more for poor people than President Rubio if by some miracle Bernie Sanders won the Democratic nomination.
So why the new push?
I've seen a lot more from you lately? What's up, what changed?
LexVegas
(6,962 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)Try again.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)And that it has nothing to do with Stockholm syndrome or battered wife syndrome.
Prism
(5,815 posts)One poster said Stockholm syndrome, and it's like a banner.
That's fine. I've got "LGBTers don't have it so bad. They can pass!" as my Clinton supporter banner.
So we can both have fun.
George II
(67,782 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)The polls are corporatist-owned propaganda, Hill's endorsers are bought-and-paid-for or too terrified not to, the debates are all rigged in HRC's favour, the media is ignoring BS ... etc.
That is the ONLY reasonable explanation for why HRC is ahead in the polls. It has nothing to do with who supports her and who doesn't.
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