Why so many anti-Clinton screeds these days?

[brooklynite]

I understand that our Sanders friends feel strongly on these issues. But the folks here aren't the people you need to convince. You need to go after the 20 M people who will be voting for Clinton across the country. And their candidate isn't pushing any of the issues they are. Maybe they should be sending their posts to him instead? Or perhaps spamming some more Facebook pages?

[Control-Z]

1. Made me giggle a little.

Not that I should be giggling about such an honest OP. I'd love to hear some honest answers.

[meow2u3]

2. Most of them come from repuke trolls posing as Sanders supporters

In other words, the anti-Clinton screeds are not from legit DUers.

[NanceGreggs]

12. Exactly!

[bravenak]

16. Yes!

[SidDithers]

25. Yup...

Some of which are not on their first ride at DU land.

If you know what I mean.

Sid

[Renew Deal]

31. I agree

Republicans were desperate to attack Hillary from the left. Bernie Sanders made their dreams come true.

[HassleCat]

3. Frustration

I am a Sanders supporter, and I don't badmouth Clinton, but I can understand why some people do. The deck is stacked against Bernie, and the Clintons and their friends had a big hand in stacking it. Of course, they weren't thinking of Bernie Sanders when they did so, and it's not personal, just an effort so smooth the path for Third Way Democrats. They are angry that Hillary Clinton has lots of money, and they are angry about how she got the money, and how she uses it, and what she does to get more of it. They're angry that the Democratic nomination process is not a democratic process. They're angry at the media for proclaiming Clinton the winner after the first debate, saying Sanders "handed her the nomination" when he responded to the Benghazi question. And so on. It's the frustration of supporting the underdog, the guy who probably never had a chance in the first place, and hurts himself with his own integrity. When your candidate fails because he's too honest and forthright, you have to question many of your assumptions about your country, and this leads to a certain amount of cynicism and frustration.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Maybe they benefited themselves in the process but they have been stalwart Democrats ....

Maybe they benefited themselves in the process but they have been stalwart Democrats and have worked tirelessly for the party for four decades...I don't think it's reasonable to expect somebody who has been a Democrat for four months to break those bonds.

[Ron Green]

7. "Worked tirelessly" for a party I hardly recognize any more.

I fully understand the frustration of people who see Bernie's candidacy as literally the last chance for this country and planet, while a smug and connected Clinton machine captures the nomination.

To suggest, as someone did above, that most of the anti-Clinton tirades on these threads are from Republicans, is to deny the honest dismay of those who want a better Democratic Party.

[Armstead]

35. If the definition of Democrat gets ruined in the process, not much of a defense

Maybe I'm naive, but I think enthusiastically passing laws that encourage things like media monopolies and banking monopolies, and that opened the door to all kinds of bad behavior and consumer and worker abuse through deregulation.....Tossing single mothers and other poor people to the wolves (welfare deform)....Cutting social security...."the Era of Big Government Is over," and giving GWB a check to cash by invading a country for no reason make for a really good Republican.

[RobertEarl]

8. Good answer HassleCat

Am guessing the OP is speechless after reading your reply?

*crickets*

[brooklynite]

22. And by "the deck is stacked" I assume you mean "more people like her than like Bernie"?

Is it so hard to accept the notion that a candidate who got as many votes as barack Obama might actually be the preferred choice of Democratic voters, most of whom aren't represented here?

[HassleCat]

32. Not exactly

I'm talking about things such as super delegates, control of the debate process, coordinating with super pacs, etc.

[upaloopa]

27. You make no sense. You completely discout all the people in the country who support Hillary as if

they don't exist and have no roll to play in the fact that Hillary is leading in the primary. You call Bernie supporters the people, the real Democrats the real progressives.

You talk like you are on some holy crusade and the devil is out to get you.

You and other Bernie supporters are people with an opinion just like we are. There happens to be more of us than there are of you. You are not some righteous army.

[HassleCat]

33. Your response makes no sense. I can't even figure out your point, except for the first sentence.

I understand the first sentence, but it's pretty much gibberish after that. If you want to calm down and try again, that would be cool.

[taught_me_patience]

4. They are in the "anger" stage of grief

because most know that the primary is over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

Next will come the "bargaining" phase. You'll start hearing... "Hopefully Clinton will select O'Malley for VP" type talk soon.

[HassleCat]

34. I think we all realize she pretty much selected Castro (eom)

[mcar]

6. Very good question

[think]

9. Why does Hillary have lobbyists from banks with long criminal histories on her campaign staff?

The very banks that break US laws, rig markets, and bilk investors while using the government revolving door on regular basis like it's the back door to the shop. The very banks that were at the heart of the great recession who received massive bailouts in the hundreds of billions from our gov't while millions of Americans lost their jobs and/or their homes.

Why did Hillary take over $3 million in speaking fees in 2013 alone from these same corrupt banks after what all those banks did and got away with without anyone going to jail?

Iceland did not bail out the banks and jailed their rotten bankers. Ours have CEOs who became billionaires.

Don't you think that might annoy some people?

[Armstead]

37. Because they're all good Democrats

[BainsBane]

10. Because she's kicking ass. nt

[That Guy 888]

11. Why do some HRC supporters jump into every pro-Sanders thread with snarky comments?

That doesn't help people want to vote for Hillary either. I doubt it will matter what I post in this thread, but the inevitable Hillary victory belief outside of the Hillary Clinton group is a bit grating and comes of as arrogant. I just try to avoid the most obnoxious primary keyboard warriors, and hope things get better after the primary.

[mcar]

18. Why do some BS supporters jump into

Every pro HRC thread with snarky comments? It doesn't help people want to vote for Bernie. Calling other candidate's supporters names really doesn't help.

[That Guy 888]

20. Exactly, there is a small core of HRC and Sanders supporters who antagonize the other group.

And it doesn't help.

[aikoaiko]

14. Not everyone thinks HRCs ascendance is the best we can do.

[bravenak]

15. .

[ibegurpard]

17. Because she's the general election Titanic

Heading full speed ahead for the iceberg. And even if she does manage to pull it out she's going to be a further nail on the coffin for a party that used to stand for opportunity for those who didn't speak with $.

[onehandle]

19. This is Depress The Democratic Vote Underground.

Some people think that talking shit about the nominee here will make a negative difference next November.

Some are members of the 'Not Hillary' Party.

Some are both.

None will make a difference.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. I despise purveyors of negative politics but her DOMA comments are not only making it difficult

to be nice, the smug indifference of her supporters to those comments reminds me of the 90's and that's not a good thing.

[Scuba]

23. Because her policy positions suck.

[DCBob]

24. I think they get some perverse pleasure from bashing her and us.

Political SM.

[Armstead]

38. Wrong.....You think it's enjoyable to feel besieged by those who claim to be on your side?

You think it's pleasant to enthusiastically support candidates, only to see them engaging in behavior once in office that violates the core beliefs they claim to share? You think it's fun to watch as they gleefully push policies that you believe will be harmful in the short and long run, and feel besieged by those who claim to be on your side?.

It would be a lot more pleasant to assume that the people elected to office are going to protect your interests and represent your goals and values -- instead of actively undermining them.

..And do you think it pleasant to later see the effects you worried about coming true?

One little case in point. In the mid 1990's, there were restrictions on media ownership that guaranteed that there would be many different owners of radio stations across the country. But the DLC/Bill Clinton media "reform" eliminated those restrictions, and has reduced that to a handful of media monopoly giants who often own 5 or 6 radio stations in cities.

That is NOT how we prefer to feel about the electoral system.

[gwheezie]

26. There are people who just hate hillary

I'm not so sure that group even likes Bernie, these are some of the same people who hate Obama
I'm not saying every Bernie supporter because the ones I know irl don't act like people here. I like Bernie but I don't think he's going to save the country, I think Hillary would be a better president. I don't think she's going to save the country either. I don't think the country is in such bad shape when you consider how Bush left it and what Obama had to work with. I'd like to see a continuation of the Obama policies, I think he was headed in the right direction. So I'm going to back the candidate who's going to carry that forward.

[MoonRiver]

28. Thank you!

[NCTraveler]

29. It's what the cool kids do. nt.

[Renew Deal]

30. Trendlines

[Capt. Obvious]

36. It's a useless endeavor outside of trolling the other side

but what do I know; I'm just a hot shot millionaire that hobnobs with famous people and party elites but spends an insane amount of time on some tiny messageboard.

[Le Taz Hot]

39. Yeah . . .

This one's using a Ron Paul supporter for his/her source:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251770028