Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:14 PM
Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)
Confessions from a Hillary Shill
Good afternoon. As of today, I am officially a former "digital media specialist" (a nice way to say "paid Internet troll"
![]() <skip> The real problem for me started around the end of September and the beginning of October, when there was a change of direction from the team leader again. Apparently, the higher-ups in the firm caught wind of an impending spending splurge by the Clinton campaign that month and wanted to put up an impressive display. We received very specific instructions about how and what to post, and I was aghast at what I saw. It was a complete change in tone and approach, and it was extremely nasty in character. We changed from advocates to hatchet men, and it left a very bad taste in my mouth. Just to give you an idea, here are some of the guidelines for our posting in October: 1) Sexism. This was the biggest one we were supposed to push. We had to smear Bernie as misogynistic and out-of-touch with modern sensibilities. He was to be characterized as "an old white male relic that believed women enjoyed being gang raped". Anyone who tried to object to this characterization would be repeatedly slammed as sexist until they went away or people lost interest. <more> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/ The rest of the list will sound eerily familiar.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:17 PM
ibegurpard (16,685 posts)
1. of course
They'll try to pawn it off as conspiracy theory but it's a common tactic on the net all across the board... not just in politics.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:42 PM
HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)
67. Oh well that makes it alright then...
Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:42 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
138. Well ... It OP is taken from the "Conspiracy" forum. n/t
Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:34 PM
waldo.c (43 posts)
186. Troll for Billary
Suspicions confirmed. DU is rife with trolling for Billary.
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Response to waldo.c (Reply #186)
MyNameGoesHere This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to waldo.c (Reply #211)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:39 PM
Unknown Beatle (2,643 posts)
239. Holy fuck! From your link:
Other emails show Tanden arguing that Libyans should be forced to turn over large portions of their oil revenues to repay the U.S. for the costs incurred in bombing Libya, on the grounds that Americans will support future wars only if they see that the countries attacked by the U.S. pay for the invasions.
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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #239)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:42 PM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
240. +1,000,000 nt.
Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #239)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:18 AM
Catherina (35,568 posts)
284. Copying link in case something happens to the post you're responding to
Response to waldo.c (Reply #186)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:48 AM
paul ofnoclique (81 posts)
266. Didn't you read the title? Were talking Shillary!
Shill for Hillary. See?
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Response to waldo.c (Reply #186)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:20 AM
INdemo (6,983 posts)
285. I wonder how many of those Billary's
were consistently posting those "Alerts" and how many of them were blocking others from posting.
I suspected this weeks ago. It became very obvious. I also think the campaign was/is supplying scripts to follow. |
Response to INdemo (Reply #285)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:13 AM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
291. "Scripts to follow", that's the way the Corporate Republicans work, isn't it? The orders
go from the top to the bottom. No wonder that Third-Way Democrats are also called
"Lite-Republicans." They are half-way Republicans. |
Response to INdemo (Reply #285)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:14 PM
TheFarS1de (1,017 posts)
330. Of course they are following a script .
When do you EVER see them get into an in depth discussion ? It is always a hit and run post with no substance other than the narrative for the day .
Nothing more than paid Parrots . |
Response to TheFarS1de (Reply #330)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:14 PM
INdemo (6,983 posts)
339. cool I like that
"Paid Parrots" now replaces "mouth piece" I like it.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:07 PM
CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)
245. This is so typical in the PR world...
I worked many years in PR--and it is common knowledge--that large PR firms are hired by corporations, activists and politicians to further agendas.
Anyone suggesting that this is some kooky conspiracy, fails to understand what everyone in the PR industry considers common knowledge. What I find most interesting are the talking points, key messages and memes that this Hillary shill was charged with disseminating. All were key themes that were leveraged during the campaign. You could watch as the "Bernie is sexist" meme was dropped, cultivated and waned. Same is true of the racism charges. All of those themes had an obvious life cycle. They were introduced, peaked and died. This lends credibility to the accusations. No doubt that there have been concerted efforts to position Bernie supporters as hipster brats; and Bernie as unelectable. Both laughable, manufactured constructs. This messaging is coming from somewhere. It makes complete sense that the Clinton camp is paying shills. |
Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #245)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:21 AM
ibegurpard (16,685 posts)
263. It's huge on gaming forums
When a company is trying to do damage control for something their player base is angry about. What's laughable are the attempts to make it seem like this is conspiracy theory. Is this paticular incident legit? I have no idea but this shit is definitely going on.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:17 PM
underpants (176,671 posts)
2. Oooh!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #3)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:17 AM
Kalidurga (14,177 posts)
254. I think paid trolls are an urban legend
However, each and every point made in that post seemed like things I have seen here everyday since I started posting again and things I saw that po'd me off enough to take a break back in July.
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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #254)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:36 AM
Fast Walker 52 (7,723 posts)
288. so you think otherwise now, I hope?
Because this is a fact, fairly well documented, that such people exist.
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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #254)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:59 AM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
290. Who needed this to recognize the paid for talking points?
I think we already had a list of them here as the appeared.
Your campaign has to be in trouble when you have to pay for the kind of trash we've seen over the past few months. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #290)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:37 AM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
296. It seems Republicans pay many to post in forums. Many years ago I was new to the computer,
and taking part for the first time in a political debate forum on the Internet. After a while I
began to notice the similarity of what the Republican members were saying. I asked one of them, "Are you Republicans being paid for writing here?" His reply was: "You mean you Democrats aren't being paid?" I replied, "No. I'm writing here to state my personal beliefs, and I want to do this. I also enjoy having the opportunity to do this." That clinched it. I then knew that they were being paid. I also realized that this particular individual was also a new-comer to that forum, just as I was - but on opposite political sides. He didn't stay very long in that forum. |
Response to underpants (Reply #2)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:30 PM
Bubzer (4,211 posts)
98. Right? Scootch over!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:20 PM
DanTex (20,709 posts)
4. LOL. Wonder how much Bernie paid this guy to post this.
Response to DanTex (Reply #4)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:01 PM
ToxMarz (2,083 posts)
34. I doubt he had to be paid, I'm sure he just took it upon himself.
Response to DanTex (Reply #4)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:57 PM
Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)
83. Nothing he made the story up for giggles and grins
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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:52 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
112. Nice try but when you side with the billionaires that can buy anything they want, you
buy into the dirty tricks they buy. Sen Sanders can't afford the dirty tricks and I don't believe it's within his character. HRC has very questionable integrity for a long list of things, esp. her partnership with the Bush Republicons in invading Iraq.
The billionaires are not going to spend a billion dollars to lose. They will do literally anything to win. That's the side you've chosen. Maybe you feel comfortable because of their power. Dare to fight to be free from the power of the Oligarchy. |
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #112)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:07 PM
pnwmom (107,957 posts)
230. The Koch brothers must be trying to help Bernie, because they're already running Hillary attack ads.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #230)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:11 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
232. The Koch brothers are good friends of the Bush Crime Family. Of course the
Oligarchs prefer Bush but will be happy with Clinton. Goldman-Sachs was even embarrassed to reveal that.
It's past time to get big money out of politics, and Clinton isn't about to do that. |
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #232)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:22 PM
pnwmom (107,957 posts)
233. They're helping Bernie right now. They must like him more than Hillary.
At least, as an opponent to their puppet in the general election.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:37 PM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
161. You need to ask that in the Bernie Group.
I suspect this "paid Hillary Shill" is a regular there.
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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #173)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:13 AM
tblue37 (59,351 posts)
292. What does the "PMP" part of your abbreviation stand for? nt
Response to tblue37 (Reply #292)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:06 PM
RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)
316. peed my pants! n/t
Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #316)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:20 PM
tblue37 (59,351 posts)
325. Thanks--that's a new one for me. nt
Response to DanTex (Reply #4)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:41 AM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
297. Probably nothing. Thinking that everyone else is just like you could be a mistake.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:24 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
5. As
As Hillary Clinton's march to the nomination and the presidency becomes more and more unstoppable I expect the attacks on her and her supporters to become more vitriolic as they grow exponentially
I would also add the septuagenarian senator's macho musings about "kicking (Hillary's) butt" has done more to raise my testosterone level than a year's supply of HGH taken at once can ever do. That should help me fend off the attacks from the Bully Brigade that is sure to come. <patiently waits> |
Response to merrily (Reply #8)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:28 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
11. I am glad you find me entertaining...
Better than trying to bully me but my post is still young...It's still early on the West Coast so many of the septuagenarian senator's acolytes must still be at Starbucks.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #11)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:58 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
30. I'm glad I find you amusing, too. Smiling and laughing are among my favorite things. Your ageist
remarks embarrass you and your candidate. She's only six years younger than Sanders anyway.
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Response to merrily (Reply #30)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:03 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
36. If I said Hillary Clinton was the sexagenarian senator from NY would I be ageist?
If I said President Obama is the quinquagenarian president would I be ageist?
It's a descriptor. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:06 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
39. A descriptor that you made a point of using two posts in a row? As if any DUer needed that
descriptor even once? Never used it with Hillary, either.
Yeah, definitely ageist. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. But, great, keep denying that your use of "descriptors" was ageist. Let's make sure to keep this thread kicked. It deserves visibility. |
Response to merrily (Reply #39)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:13 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
42. I used it for its alliterative effect.
But if you want to think the worst of me it is beyond my capability to stop you.
And if the seminal poster or anybody can prove Hillary Clinton is paying folks to stir up shit on the internet I will cut off my, errrrr, ear, roast it, throw some Sriracha sauce on it, and eat it on you tube. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:15 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
43. Of course you did. Kick!
Response to merrily (Reply #43)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:28 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
60. Please feel free to continue to besmirch my stellar reputation.
I expect nothing less from you and your associates.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #60)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:22 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
158. LOL! Spotless! You're really on a roll today.
Response to merrily (Reply #158)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:31 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
178. Ecclesiastes 7:1
A good reputation is more valuable than costly perfume.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #178)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:36 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
308. I never doubted that. The open issue is who has one and who does not.
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #60)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:00 AM
cui bono (19,926 posts)
271. Your conceit just tarnished you. Your reputation is no longer stellar.
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:27 PM
ismnotwasm (41,124 posts)
57. Well. You know.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:48 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
105. Alliterative effect?
Senator Sanders is also alliterative, but not demeaning. But then, what fun is that?
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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #105)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:52 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
111. Doesn't have the same alliterative effect.
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #111)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:11 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
123. What would you do without your dictionary and thesaurus?
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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #123)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:14 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
125. No need for one...I pulled a 740 on the Verbal portion of the GRE.
Not bad for a kid whose old man dropped out of school in the ninth grade and whose mom was a bookkeeper.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #125)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:21 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
131. This is the first time I've seen you write a sentence
that sounds like it comes from a human being instead of a computer. I was beginning to wonder.
Just kidding. But, you really don't need to prove your vocabulary skills with everything you say. It just sounds so stilted and contrived. I guess if you like "your style" that is all that matters. And, I do applaud you for staying in school. I'm the first one in my family to get a college degree. I am a bit confused about "and whose mom was a bookkeeper"...are you saying accountants don't know how to use vocabulary or are uneducated or something? |
Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #131)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:30 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
133. No
My mom was a bookkeeper. She was in "Rapid Advance" and graduated from high school at fifteen years old. She was much smarter than me... However it was a different era and she had to get a job, at fifteen, to help support her widowed mom and younger brother.
BTW, my gf is a senior accountant...She is much smarter than me too, just not as loquacious. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #133)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:45 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
140. Good for your Mom.
My mom has a wicked wit (not mean...just sharp and funny). I wish I'd gotten that from her. I'm slow and methodical, but I am also tenacious and do careful, detailed and accurate work. Mom doesn't have my skills/traits. I guess we all have our place, and hopefully fill a need.
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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #140)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:54 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
141. I always felt bad for because she was clearly smart enough to go to college and beyond....
I always felt bad for her because she was clearly smart enough to go to college and beyond but never had the opportunity...It is from her that I got my love of politics. She cast her last vote for Hillary in the 08 Florida primary. Since she was a stalwart Democrat I am sure she would have voted for Obama had she lived.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #141)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:35 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
145. I'm sorry you lost your mom so young.
I'm just now losing my mom (she's in hospice) and I'm going to be 66 this month. Mom will turn 89 in December, if she lives that long. It's not looking like it. I'm pretty sure you are a lot younger than I am. It's great that you got to know her and appreciate her intelligence, and that she influenced your love of knowledge.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #125)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:11 PM
bvar22 (39,909 posts)
208. And yet, here you are...
wasting almost everyday posting BS to DU.
Is THAT all you could do with a 740 Verbal on the GRE? You don't have the verbal or social skills to convert a single Bernie supporter here. About the best you have done is drive people AWAY from Hillary with your transparent spamming of threads. Good Job! |
Response to bvar22 (Reply #208)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:14 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
209. That's where you are mistaken
You don't have the verbal or social skills to convert a single Bernie supporter here.
I am not here to persuade people but I do notice my fan club is swelling. I must be doing something right. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #209)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:36 AM
stonecutter357 (12,515 posts)
275. +1
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #125)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:00 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
320. That's all?
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:04 PM
progressoid (48,252 posts)
118. alliterative effect!
Sure. And while were at it lets call the President "Black Barack" for alliterative effect too.
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Response to progressoid (Reply #118)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:45 AM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
277. Bazinga!
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
181. So if someone called him "the septuagenarian Semitic Senator" that would be even better?
I mean, it wouldn't be religious bigotry or anything, oh no, it's just a descriptor, chosen for its literary value.
Don't insult our intelligence. If you want to make the case that Sanders, who would be the oldest President ever (measuring age at first inauguration), is too old to do the job well, then say so expressly and make your argument. Just bear in mind that Clinton, if inaugurated, will be the second-oldest ever, less than a year younger than Reagan was. |
Response to Jim Lane (Reply #181)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:29 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
183. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye...
So if someone called him "the septuagenarian Semitic Senator" that would be even better?
- Jim Lane You added the "Semitic" remark, not me...There is a point where one goes from being funny to being mean and you crossed it...If someone went there I would recommend he or she be PPRed. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #183)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:14 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
210. Let me try to explain the logic to you
Your defense against the charge of bigotry was to point out (correctly) that your statement was both descriptive and alliterative. The implicit premise of your post was: "If a characterization of a candidate is both descriptive and alliterative, then it can't possibly be bigotry."
I provided a counterexample: 1. If DemocratSinceBirth's argument were sound, then a descriptive, alliterative reference would never be bigotry. 2. The example I gave is a descriptive, alliterative reference but it is bigotry. 3. Therefore, DemocratSinceBirth's argument is not sound. The argument form is known as modus tollens if you want to read up on it. |
Response to Jim Lane (Reply #210)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:23 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
213. And let me try to explain obscurantism to you.
ob·scu·rant·ism
əbˈskyo͝orənˌtizəm,äb-,ˌäbskyəˈran-/Submit noun the practice of deliberately preventing the facts or full details of something from becoming known. I used alliterative effect to have fun with the senator's age. If you believe using his religion, especially using Semitic in lieu of Jewish, is tantamount to using a big word for his age there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #213)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
234. You have BRILLIANTLY refuted the argument I did not make.
If I could magically change one thing about DU, it wouldn't be people getting too strident in support of or opposition to a particular candidate -- it would be the straw-man arguments.
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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #181)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 03:22 AM
PatrickforO (14,002 posts)
269. Whoa...cool! if a septuagenarian Semitic Senator picked a peck of pickled peppers, how
many pickled peppers did the septuagenarian Semitic Senator pick?
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #269)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
313. I couldn't count the peppers. I had to watch the wood that the woodchuck was chucking. (n/t)
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:38 PM
Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)
189. I hear she also pays people to pose as African Americans
and call Bernie Sanders a racist at every opportunity. Just sayin'.
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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #189)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:46 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
194. Three points, Mr. Dump, and a question.
I hear she also pays people to pose as African Americans. and call Bernie Sanders a racist at every opportunity. Just sayin'.
1) I wear very calumny foisted on me by a Sanders supporter like a medal. 2) I have said, ad nauseum and ad infinitum, I am white...It's an accident of birth over which I have no control. 3) Since we have established I am not masquerading as an African American which members of this board are you referring to? 4) I bet my ear you won't name them. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #194)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:56 PM
Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)
196. Your English comprehension is questionable.
I'm quite tired of straw men of any color.
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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #196)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:58 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
197. So you got nothing, figures!
Dispassionate observers can read your calumny/calumnies and my response.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #197)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:59 PM
Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)
199. They will see I made no accusations. You are being silly. They will see that too!
Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #199)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:03 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
203. They will see you were tossing around calumnies...
They will see you were tossing around calumnies the way one tosses fertilizer on a dying lawn and when challenged to provide evidence for your calumnies you tried to change the topic...
I hear she also pays people to pose as African Americans. and call Bernie Sanders a racist at every opportunity. Just sayin'. -Elmer S. E. Dump Please name them. Thank you in advance. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #203)
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Response to Post removed (Reply #205)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:10 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
207. I literally couldn't care less what you and your associates think of me.
PEACE DSB |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #194)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:52 PM
bravenak (34,648 posts)
221. I saw someone pretending to be black. I spoke out immediately. It was not a Hillary fan.
Response to bravenak (Reply #221)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:58 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
226. Two points.
1) I am not surprised
2) That is so messed up. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #226)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:02 PM
bravenak (34,648 posts)
227. Funniest thing about it?
She loves Dressage Horses just like Mitt Romney's wife. I thought that was interesting. There was an article about her in the Tribune, how she lived her whole life until 50 without knowing she had that drop of black from 1850. Blond, blue eyes (or green), pake skin, both parents and all family white, but somehow on DU she get to be black on order to outblack black folks and play oppression olympics. She was put on to harass me by a very Prominent poster whose lies and deception made me lose all respect for her.
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Response to bravenak (Reply #227)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:06 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
229. Please elaborate in private...
Sis, I have said a zillion times I am white... I don't want to mislead anybody but I will say most of my cultural references and personal heroes are black like Malcolm, Dr. King, and the Greatest Of All Time. Muhammad Ali.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #229)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:11 PM
bravenak (34,648 posts)
231. I will. Check your pm in a few.
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #194)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:48 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
237. LOL ...
I hear tell, I'm one!
![]() Where's my damned check?!? ![]() But I can say with certainty, at least one "black" poster just found out she is "Black" after decades of not knowing. ![]() I wonder if she is being paid? |
Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #237)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:59 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
242. It seemed to me the clear implication was that I was trying to masquerade as black.
And then he takes umbrage when I deign to defend myself !!!
This board is odd some times... |
Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #189)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 03:25 AM
PatrickforO (14,002 posts)
270. A couple of posters here come to mind, unfortunately.
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:46 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
310. Riiiight.
Gee, hard to imagine anything more meaningful than a message board promise conditioned upon things not likely to happen? Once again, you've impressed the hell out of this DUer with your zero bs posts!
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:07 PM
A Simple Game (9,214 posts)
121. I got a kick out of your description in post number 5 about your reaction to thinking about
Hillary's butt. Very descriptive.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #11)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:57 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
180. I'm septuagenarian and I'm proud.
Proud to be a septuagenarian, and proud Bernie is a vibrant, brilliant septuagenarian who has a lot of experience in life.
Live and learn. The more you have lived, the more opportunity you have had to learn. My quibble with Obama was that he had so little experience. I was right to think that would be a problem. It has been. He has good intentions, but at times he has lacked the experience especially with the Republicans to achieve what he wanted to do. |
Response to merrily (Reply #8)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:20 PM
Fuddnik (8,846 posts)
48. You're doing that wrong.
You should post only this.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:20 PM
BrainDrain (244 posts)
47. ohhhhhhhhhhhh..
the ole' "inevitable" routine....nifty.... Sorry...didn't work last time either..... BERNIE!!!! |
Response to BrainDrain (Reply #47)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:26 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
55. Bernie has of much chance of wresting the nomination from Hillary as I have of wresting the...
Bernie has of much chance of wresting the nomination from Hillary as I have of wresting the Mr. Olympia title from Phil Heath.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #55)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:58 PM
Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)
198. Boy, the article in the op was right on!
Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #198)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:00 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
201. I literally couldn't care less what you and your associates think of me.
EOM
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:02 PM
DaveT (687 posts)
84. More Unstoppable?
Minor quibble on using a comparative with an absolute.
Major disagreement about "unstoppable." That is just preposterous, and of a piece with the entire Hillary Clinton appeal -- vote for me because I am going to win. If people start thinking she might not win, she goes into free fall, as you saw all summer long. Luckily for Hillary she had two good TV appearances last month -- making her partisan advocates pretend with just a tad too much vehemence that She Is Unstoppable. Fascinating scenario -- if Hillary loses the argument that she is unstoppable, she is stopped for good. Shout it a little louder. OOOOOOPS -- l said shout. You all know what using that word makes me . . . . Whatever. We'll see after they count the votes, won't we? |
Response to DaveT (Reply #84)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:04 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
86. I am so confident of my assertion that I would literally bet my life on it...
I am so confident of my assertion that I would literally bet my life on it, which suggests I would bet a lot less.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #86)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:09 PM
DaveT (687 posts)
89. That is not a persuasive answer
In fact it is proof of my argument about you. You are not saying that you think she will win because you think she will win. You are trying to make other people believe it, because if they don't, she won't.
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Response to DaveT (Reply #89)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:13 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
91. Au contraire...
I know she will win and I am willing to wager she will...
For instance when Floyd Mayweather fought Andre Berto I knew he would would win and would have wagered he would win. Mutually exclusive phenomenons. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #91)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:16 PM
DaveT (687 posts)
314. You must be hell in Vegas
Who's gonna win the Oscar for best Sound Technician next year?
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Response to DaveT (Reply #314)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:22 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
317. Floyd was something like a 1-30 favorite. Berto was like a 60-1 dog...
One need not be Teddy Atlas or Jim Lampley to pick the winner.
Same here... |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #86)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:18 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
331. Blatant mis-use of 'literally.' I would think twice before touting my
Verbal GRE score, were I you.
While I don't remember the number, I scored in the 99th percentile on the verbal portion of the GRE in 1986. |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #331)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:20 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
332. If someone were to bet the appropriate sum I would literally bet my life on Hillary.
Blatant mis-use of 'literally.' I would think twice before touting my
Verbal GRE score, were I you. If someone were to bet the appropriate sum I would literally bet my life on Hillary. Nobody gets out of earth alive, literally. I am literally watching the Chicago Bulls play the Minnesota Timberwolves on NBA League Pass. At 4:24 P.M. PST the Bulls are liteally winning 60-58. 4:28, now it's literally tied at 60-60. 4:31, still literally tied at 62-62... The Twolves are hanging around, albeit not literally... |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:05 PM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
120. Bait....
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:59 PM
Unknown Beatle (2,643 posts)
241. The truth is not a smear nor an attack.
The truth stands on its own regardless of the lies thrown at it. Those who refuse to acknowledge the truth are part of the problem.
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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #241)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:05 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
244. Take my challenge
The truth is not a smear nor an attack.
The truth stands on its own regardless of the lies thrown at it. Those who refuse to acknowledge the truth are part of the problem. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251775947 I will DOUBLE it just for you!!! |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:24 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
6. Seriously, be honest, was there ever any doubt in your mind?
Great find, Le Taz Hot.
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Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:48 PM
snooper2 (30,151 posts)
74. I find it so amazing that people just believe whatever they find on the intertubes
GREAT FIND WOO HOO! LOL
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Response to snooper2 (Reply #74)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:13 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
156. See Reply 154 snooper2. And given the posts on this board we've been reading for a long, long
time, it's totes plausible.
But, hey, we just may have to agree to disagree on this. What a shock we're not on the same page on this one, eh? Whodda thunk it? I'll try to get over it. You? |
Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:03 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
85. To borrow a title from the great
Elvis Costello, less than zero. Much less than zero. This 'splains a lotta thins, Lucy.
Surprise, surprise, surprise! |
Response to hifiguy (Reply #85)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:38 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
309. Desi Arnaz was deep, though probably not as deep as Ricky Ricardo.
Ricky had writers--and alliteration!
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Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:51 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
109. I think we need to remember this when we respond to some members here
They are paid by post, so everytime we reply to them and they reply back to us, we might be boosting their income.
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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #109)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:09 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
122. That a number are is more obvious than
a grizzly bear in a phone booth.
Put them on ignore or refuse to rise to their bait. |
Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #109)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:05 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
153. Yes, but if it's only $100 a week, I would see it as my duty to help them up their income.
Response to merrily (Reply #153)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
185. Also, it would drain money from the Clinton campaign or her dark-money SuperPAC. (n/t)
Response to Jim Lane (Reply #185)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:46 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
193. Meh. Drop in the bucket. I want to help my fellow DUers earn their weekly C note out of altruism.
If they need it badly enough to sell their souls and sell out the rest of us for it, this bleeding heart progressive populist wants to pitch in.
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Response to merrily (Reply #193)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:23 AM
Demeter (85,373 posts)
287. You are too kind...I'd tell them to get a real job that produced something of value
even if it were only fast food.
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Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:33 AM
Zorra (27,670 posts)
295. It's just simple common sense.
Logic and reason dictate that oligarchs will use every propaganda vehicle available to maintain and further their control of governments, media, and their labor supply.
For the oligarchs, convincing people to vote against their own interests, and to vote in the interests of oligarchy, is crucial to maintaining a stable, docile labor herd and bring in a steady flow of exponential profit for the ruling oligarchy. Maintaining the illusion of democracy is necessary for preventing revolution. If the rest of the populace ever figured out what Bernie supporters already know, oligarchs would be fleeing for the safest bunkers available. If it quacks like a duck, and it appears to you to be a duck, it probably is a duck. |
Response to Zorra (Reply #295)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:31 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
307. Yes. And it doesn't matter if the reddit duck was a duck or a genius Bernie supporter from the jump.
We know ducks exist and we know they quack on message boards.
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Response to merrily (Reply #307)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:55 PM
Zorra (27,670 posts)
311. Yes. Just look at how many gullible people Faux News gets to vote
against their own interests.
Of course unscrupulous conservatives like Murdoch will pay people to post on message boards. They have all the money in the world, and spending a few pennies hiring people to post on message boards is just that much more of getting their means of control out there. |
Response to Zorra (Reply #311)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:05 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
312. Not only Faux News!
Every politician has posters. So do the DNC and the RNC. This is a very high stakes game, involving a lot of money and a lot of power. Paying some posters a dollar a post or whatever is a drop in the bucket.
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Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:58 PM
BuelahWitch (9,083 posts)
319. No, not at all
Isn't there proof that she bought "clicks" for her Facebook and Twitter sites? Why is this such a stretch?
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:26 PM
procon (15,805 posts)
9. Um... your source
is a forum comment listed under "conspiracy"?
I know, of course, if its on the Internet, then it must be true, but I just can't make my poor mouse click to read one more screed from yet another nameless apparatchik. |
Response to procon (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:16 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
44. Nameles, like the people on this thread? Including you?
Response to merrily (Reply #44)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:27 PM
procon (15,805 posts)
56. Exactly so.
It's a forum, yeah?
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Response to procon (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:44 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
103. A perfect description of your reply.
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Response to procon (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:50 PM
Plucketeer (12,882 posts)
107. Why DO I waste my hours here?
I say that cause if it's on the internet, it must NOT be true!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:26 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
10. You can ALWAYS trust anonymous internet posters at Reddit.
That's the website with sub forums dedicated on how to rape women, right?
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:29 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
13. That's the website with sub forums dedicated on how to rape women, right?
Why am I not surprised?
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #13)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:32 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
20. Yup, that's the one...
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #20)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:36 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
25. Very disturbing...
Anonymity is not always a virtue.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
192. Well, I agree with you there! -- Your friend, Jim (n/t)
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #20)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:04 PM
sheshe2 (79,397 posts)
243. OMG.
This is their source now? Rape supporters.
Holy~ Reddit took the Hillary Shill thread down. They took it down because the poster would not corroborate their story. On Democratic underground it stays at the top of the page. Unsupported data, yet thoroughly reced. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #13)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:35 PM
ismnotwasm (41,124 posts)
24. Yes-Reddit has such a STELLAR reputation
Well actually, it has a reputation as a psycho misogynists haven, amoung other psycho types--which reminds me, my new favorite exercise song is called "Psycho" by Muse --such a sexy bass, such disturbing lyrics..
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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #24)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:36 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
26. The more I read about that site the more disturbed I become.
EOM
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:59 PM
ismnotwasm (41,124 posts)
32. That's the usual, and may I say, respectable response
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:51 PM
WaitWut (71 posts)
77. Reddit is what it is...
Take the source with a grain of salt, but there are a lot of quite informative subs there as well. I for one have found very reliable sources on all sorts of subjects.
The /r/sandersforpresident subreddit just gave $400,000 to the Bernie Sanders campaign. But like any open forum with an extremely large user base, there will be things that are offensive. My advice is to just move on to the next one. |
Response to WaitWut (Reply #77)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:56 PM
NJCher (33,042 posts)
225. $400k
The /r/sandersforpresident subreddit just gave $400,000 to the Bernie Sanders campaign.
Now that is freaking impressive. ![]() Cher |
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:30 PM
ibegurpard (16,685 posts)
16. Yeah and all the ant-Hillary shit
Are right wing trolls right? You believe someone's involved in this but not Hillary? Get real.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #16)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:35 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
23. The fact that you believe a candidate up +30 would even bother...
Is crazy. The sub forum is filed under 'conspiracy'. She has an actual army of volunteers.
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #23)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:33 PM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
64. She was falling rapidly when this poster said
they started going negative, though.
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #23)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:11 PM
RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)
174. It's how they stay up in the polls
If the truth were out there, the candidate would be way down.
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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #174)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:40 AM
jfern (5,204 posts)
264. Yes, her support is a mile wide and inch deep
If she isn't demonizing Bernie and his supporters, she's toast.
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:41 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
137. Before today, I'd never been to Rebbit ...
but a quick use of its search function, I'd say there are far more anti-HRCer than pro-HRCers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=hillary+clinton So that doesn't lend much credibility to the veracity of the OP. |
Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #137)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:57 PM
artislife (9,497 posts)
169. But they are really for O'Malley. .
You gotta trust them.
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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #137)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:47 PM
CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)
250. Reddit has always been staunchly pro Bernie
During the summer there were several thousand Sanders supporters on a Sanders group.
There were less than 50 on a Hillary group. My husband is a major IT geek (computer engineer) and he showed me the political discrepancy on Reddit between Clinton and Sanders. By the summer, the minuscule number of Clinton supporters v Bernie supporters had become an Internet story. It's interesting to note that Hillary had a very slight Reddit presence compared to Bernie's Reddit domination. If Hillary's presence has increased and is more vocal--that would certainly indicate a shift that may be part of a paid campaign. Reddit has always had a large anti-Hillary/pro-Bernie presence and now--if there are more pro-Hillary voices--that's a red flag for shill activity. In particular, if those voices are furthering Hillary talking points and anti-Bernie memes--that's also an indicator that those posts are manufactured. |
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:30 AM
brentspeak (18,290 posts)
256. Yeah, I'm sure we can trust you. n/t
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:25 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
306. At DU as well! And, when they change their story, I believe both stories. Schrödinger!
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:28 PM
aspirant (3,533 posts)
12. Very revealing
Only $100/ week for stirring shit, you need a union.
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Response to aspirant (Reply #12)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:00 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
33. Yes, that's pathetic. Pay per post tends to result in
a lot of one and two line posts. Probably one or two line posts that look and feel like trolling. You know, like they do on all of MannyGoldstein's threads?
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Response to aspirant (Reply #12)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:48 PM
BuelahWitch (9,083 posts)
318. Well, it sounds like it would be a "work from home"
position, and it's difficult to find something like that that pays well. However, $100 a week is better than you'll get on Amazon Turk or even customer service (which often requires you to have an expensive fast cable connection and a separate phone line).
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:29 PM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
14. From what I've read here (and 'over there') so far ....... sounds about right. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #14)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:56 PM
JackInGreen (2,975 posts)
82. It's the reading 'over there' that gives it any credence for me
Eom
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Response to JackInGreen (Reply #82)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:40 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
148. Abso-freaking-lutely!
I've got a hundred bucks that THAT site is 100% funded out of HRH's deep well of dark Wall Street money.
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #148)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:58 PM
FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)
170. Have you seen that pile of trash?
NO ONE is funding that thing.
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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #170)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:09 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
323. Talk about amateur hour
I'd almost believe it's a fake site designed to denigrate Hillary rather than support her.
It's been an absolute goldmine for flushing out bullshit, though, so I approve! ![]() |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:30 PM
ismnotwasm (41,124 posts)
15. Yawn.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:31 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
17. The foo shits
nice way to make a living......you can hire a lot of those at $100 a pop.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:31 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
18. Was this Sanders supporter paid to write this or was it out of the kindness of their heart. lol.
I plan on seeing a lot more of this from Sanders supporters as the primary goes on.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:31 PM
yardwork (56,705 posts)
19. I don't believe this. It's over the top and sounds absurd.
I know that there are plenty of Internet shills but this isn't one of them.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:33 PM
Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)
21. Here's a comment from that link.
Apparently, it was REMOVED from the Bernie group there for having no proof. So, all we have is another bullshit conspiracy theory. Also, reading the comments on reddit makes one want to wash their eyes out with bleach.
Just to set the record straight.... |
Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #21)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:04 PM
JTFrog (14,274 posts)
37. Don't go throwing facts into a perfectly delirious conspiracy theory.
It's all some folks have to cling to anymore.
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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #21)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:47 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
73. Facts...
Facts didn't stop the mob from making Socrates drink the hemlock, crucifying Jesus, and burning Joan Of Arc at the stake.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #73)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:32 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
333. Don't tout your expertise in Plato either. No one
Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:28 PM - Edit history (1) 'made' Socrates drink the hemlock. He chose to, at least as the story cones to us from Plato.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #333)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:35 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
334. I done found me a pedant.
Don't tout your expertise in Plato either. No on
'made' Socrates drink the hemlock. He chose to, at least as the story cones to us from Plato. -King Charlemagne What's a plebeian like I's to do. lol |
Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #21)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:45 AM
eridani (51,907 posts)
272. Makes sense. I was wondering if it had been vetted
Just because something is plausible doesn't mean that it's true.
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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #21)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:00 AM
artislife (9,497 posts)
274. Just wanted you to know
we are are swarm ignoring posters with certain siglines.
Buh bye! |
Response to artislife (Reply #274)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:54 AM
Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)
289. Cool story. nt
Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #21)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:38 PM
Duval (4,280 posts)
335. We'll get our rewards when he wins, Dr. Hobbitstein!
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:33 PM
pa28 (6,145 posts)
22. Deliberately calculated and inflammatory attacks using race and sex.
Claims of victimhood at the hands of the evil Berniebros.
Come to think of it that DOES sound familiar. |
Response to pa28 (Reply #22)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:19 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
46. Why, yes, it does.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:37 PM
elleng (123,912 posts)
27. 'Clinton Sustains Huge Lead in Democratic Nomination Race.'
Nov 11-14, 2007 'In the national standings of the Democratic presidential candidates seeking their party's nomination next year, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton continues to hold a strong 27-point lead over second-place rival Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, according to a new Gallup Poll. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards remains further behind in third place.
According to the Nov. 11-14, 2007, poll, 48% of Democrats say they are most likely to support Clinton for the party’s presidential nomination in 2008, followed by Obama at 21% and Edwards at 12%. No other candidate garners more than 4% support.' http://www.gallup.com/poll/102799/clinton-sustains-huge-lead-democratic-nomination-race.aspx GOT IT??? |
Response to elleng (Reply #27)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:28 PM
deutsey (20,166 posts)
96. That's very interesting...thanks for the reminder n/t
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:41 PM
UglyGreed (7,661 posts)
28. Sounds familiar
Can't recall where I've seen that sort of stuff.....
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:59 PM
litlbilly (2,227 posts)
31. I clicked to hide dantex and got hit with a malware alert, what's up with that?
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:02 PM
JTFrog (14,274 posts)
35. Can shit get any stupider around here?
I think we are all watching rock bottom unfold.
The smell of desperation is thick in the air. |
Response to JTFrog (Reply #35)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:42 PM
Nitram (20,674 posts)
102. Frog, enough with the queasy mixed metaphors already!
Watching rock bottom unfold? Sounds like something in the Escher universe.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:05 PM
Romulox (25,960 posts)
38. I've never seen more desperation from an "inevitable" candidate. Ever. nt
Response to Romulox (Reply #38)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:21 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
49. Her people learned the lessons of 2008 well and have had 8 years to prepare.
Bet they won't mess up with caucuses or "the Texas two step" again, either.
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Response to merrily (Reply #49)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:37 PM
misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)
65. Aww C'mon. "Her people" learned it from "His people".
Thanks for sharing, bsanders people.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:10 PM
SoapBox (18,791 posts)
40. Whatever it is...
Believe this or not...there HAS been a change in her campaign tone...period.
And the change is with all these dishonest, skeezy attacks...it's like a whisper campaign and she has a track record of doing it...don't forget that "3AM phone call"! Lately when she is asked, she smiles and shrugs her shoulders. Her silence is more of a YES than stating no (in a tv station interview about the sexist claims). She/her campaign is not playing clean, already. |
Response to SoapBox (Reply #40)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:44 PM
Maineman (854 posts)
71. I agree. There has been a change in the tone of her campaign.
It also seems clear that she REALLY REALLY wants to be the first woman president. From her militaristic positions in the past, for example her speech urging us to invade Iraq, we can tell that she is willing to be as aggressive and vicious as needed.
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Response to SoapBox (Reply #40)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:08 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
87. It seemed to begin with that David Brock email about Venezuela, IIRC. n/t
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:10 PM
RiverLover (7,830 posts)
41. Their "posting guidelines" aren't just familiar, they're in black & white in this forum.
Wow. That was a fascinating account, Le Taz, thanks so much for sharing it!
I loved their summation~ .......I had one of those "what are you doing with your life" moments. When even the scum of 4chan think that your candidate is too scummy for their tastes, you need to take a good hard look at your life. Then this morning I read that the National Association of Broadcasters were bankrolling both Clinton and Rubio, and that broke the camel's back. I emailed my resignation this morning.
I'm going to go all in for Bernie now, because I truly believe that the Democratic Party has lost its way, and that redemption can only come by standing for something right and not by compromising for false promises and fake ideals. I want to apologize to everyone here for my part in this nasty affair, and I hope you will be more aware of attempts to sway you away from supporting the only candidate that can bring us what we need. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:17 PM
valerief (53,235 posts)
45. We're familiar with all of the paid troll tactics used here on DU.
That's why some of us just ignore/trash the attack posts.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:22 PM
retrowire (10,345 posts)
52. Ohhh people will deny the existence of paid online informants...
But they're oh so true.
Sorry, it existed in the meatspace in the days of the civil rights movement, it clearly isn't a stretch of the imagination to understand that Hillary, a candidate whom paid for thousands of fake Twitter and Facebook followers, would spend the money to hire people in little computer banks to invade the web with trolls and false support. Bernie on the other hand, aint got that kind of cash. The grassroots support for him, totally and 100% legit. |
Response to retrowire (Reply #52)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:14 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
92. She paid for fake followers as Secretary of State, using our money.
I certainly wouldn't put this past anyone associated with her campaign, and I'm 99% convinced it's happening, even here. That said, I'm taking this particular story with a grain of salt, since they offered no proof.
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #92)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:09 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
154. She was paying for internet fans during this campaign too.
But not posters, oh, no. Twitter and face book, but she'd never pay for posters. That would just be too different from the internet stuff they definitely did catch her paying for. It couldn't possibly be true.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:27 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
58. Riddle Me This - How Many HRC Agents Are Plying Their Trade On DU As Paid Disruptors
eom
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #58)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:21 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
129. Many.
And if the Sewer Site - which I want to make clear has nothing to do with DU, before someone accuses me if conflating the two - isn't bankrolled out of HRH's bottomless well of dark money I will eat my shoes.
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #129)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:31 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
184. Very Good Insight - Would It Be Nice To Prove That Connection
eom
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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #184)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:00 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
200. Crap like that is always difficult to impossible to prove.
That's why God gave us the ability to look at facts we can verify, make inferences and draw conclusions.
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Response to merrily (Reply #200)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:51 PM
nc4bo (17,651 posts)
220. Calls to prove it's true are numerous. How about
Some calls to prove it is NOT true
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:27 PM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
59. Interesting..
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:30 PM
corkhead (6,119 posts)
61. The trolls on this site are obvious and are what the "ignore" feature was designed for
They are intellectually dishonest and impossible to reason with. Ignoring them denies them the oxygen they need to survive in this environment.
Fortunately after primary season they will crawl back under the rocks they slithered out from for another 4 to 8 years and leave DU to the rest of us. |
Response to corkhead (Reply #61)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:45 PM
Catherina (35,568 posts)
72. +1000. I wish more people had your self discipline. n/t
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:30 PM
Trajan (19,089 posts)
62. I've had a number of hides here, feeling that something was stinking up the place
I'm quite sure I have met some of them right here, but you didn't hear that from me ...
No sir ... I would never say such a thing around these here parts ... |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:33 PM
misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)
63. reddit??
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:38 PM
Catherina (35,568 posts)
66. No shit. It's so transparent. #2 Racism #4 Dirty Tactics
2) Racism. We were instructed to hammer home how Bernie supporters were all privileged white students that had no idea how the world worked. We had to tout Hillary's great record with "the blacks" (yes, that's the actual way it was phrased), and generally use racial identity politics to attack Sanders and bolster Hillary as the only unifying figure.
... 4) Dirty tactics. This is where things got really bad. We were instructed to create narratives of Clinton supporters as being victimized by Sanders supporters, even if they were entirely fabricated. There were different instructions about how to do it, but something like this (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/31/1443064/-Dis-heartened-Hillary-Supporter) is a perfect example. These kind of posts are manufactured to divide and demoralize Sanders supporters, and are entirely artificial in nature. (The same thing happened in 2008, but it wasn't as noticeable before social media and public attention focused on popular forums like Reddit). https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/ |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:42 PM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
68. I spoke with
the veternarian's assistant of a cousin's father-in-law's housekeeper's aunt's poodle ...
What I learned was that Bernie's digital media specialists on reddit are all open, honest, ethical and would only post positive messages about Bernie and never anything negative about Hillary. It may not be scientific but that is what makes it believable. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:42 PM
GoneFishin (5,217 posts)
69. Those wacky, delusional, disconnected from reality attacks never seemed organic to me. The never
smelled like people with sincere differences of opinion.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:43 PM
Beartracks (12,198 posts)
70. How does one find paid work as an Internet troll?
It's a fairly common claim to say that somebody is a paid internet troll, & I have no doubt there are lots of people who do get paid for that kind of stuff, but...do they answer want ads or what? Do they work from home (or their parents' basement)? How does this work?
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Response to Beartracks (Reply #70)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:59 PM
kristopher (29,798 posts)
117. I see ads all the time in news story comments, so you might try there.
But you already have a job, no?
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Response to kristopher (Reply #117)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:09 PM
Beartracks (12,198 posts)
315. I was jesting. :)
I am fortunate to be gainfully employed. But I'm just curious how "paid Internet trolling" has become a thing, if it really has become a thing.
Anyhow, I thought most such ads as you mention were of this variety: "My friends can't believe how easy it is for me to earn $8,470 a week online! Click here to find out my secret!!!11!" Surely, trolling couldn't pay that much! ![]() ================== |
Response to Beartracks (Reply #315)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:01 PM
kristopher (29,798 posts)
321. Would you expect companies that specialize in lying...
...to not lie when recruiting.
And for what it's worth, paid advocacy is probably one of the top issues with an anonymous internet. The opportunity exists and it is unquestionably being exploited. One well documented example showing the state of the technology in 2009-10. Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks The original bid for the software is preserved here: http://forums.officer.com/t160914/ You don't really think the military is ahead of the people who brought you the likes of climate change denial, do you? Or Wall Street? |
Response to Beartracks (Reply #70)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:29 PM
FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)
327. here you go
Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #327)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:11 AM
Beartracks (12,198 posts)
341. lol
I should have seen that one coming!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:50 PM
DonCoquixote (13,520 posts)
75. considering some of the people I read on here
I think we have people doing for free what this person was paid to do. Seriously, there are people here who have all the subtlety of Mao's red Guard.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:51 PM
SoapBox (18,791 posts)
76. This has spread like FIRE across Twitter and FB.
Just went through a very, very long list of the above that I occasionally check...it's everyplace.
And many comments, saying right or wrong, it sums up what many have seen coming from her campaign over the last few weeks...the racist card, the red card, the sexist card and other attacks I've probably missed. Clean it up Hill campaign or you will just add to the voters that don't like her already. |
Response to SoapBox (Reply #76)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:59 PM
Persondem (1,923 posts)
116. And it's garbage ... see posts #80 & #94 ..nt
Response to Persondem (Reply #116)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:51 PM
JTFrog (14,274 posts)
78. A new low everyday.
Hey, some asshole on reddit made a bunch of shit up, reddit tries to distance themselves from it and yet it's dragged into DU like gospel. Reminds me a lot of Faux News and their audience. Anything to whip up the hate.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:53 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
79. Pushing sexism, like forcing Sanders to say Secretary Clinton, all the shouting.....
interesting.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:53 PM
Persondem (1,923 posts)
80. The moderators removed the post because there was no proof that the person ever
worked for the Clinton campaign. From the comments section ...
"to set the record straight.... So until they get proof, this is just more unsubstantiated GARBAGE people are using to discredit Clinton. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:55 PM
Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)
81. Sourcing an admitted shrill
and believing everything they say. Yea that's the ticket.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:08 PM
tularetom (23,664 posts)
88. There is no doubt in my mind every word is true but I don't get the impact
That kind of transparent bullshit is only effective on the stereotypical "low information" voter and as I've been told repeatedly by folks here on DU, low information voter is code for "white male hick who consistently votes against his self interest, because of innate bigotry".
The enlightened Democratic party could not possibly contain any of these pitiful creatures, so I'm curious as to whom the Clinton campaign is aiming these juvenile slurs. |
Response to tularetom (Reply #88)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:28 PM
jhart3333 (332 posts)
95. Don't get the impact? Please see #76
Young people and the internet. That's what I'm talkin about! They know the bullshit when they see it and they aren't dependent on the MSM for their info.
ETA: We've also seen the impact of the "effort" here in very real terms with some longtime members bowing out and others flaming out. |
Response to jhart3333 (Reply #95)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:50 PM
tularetom (23,664 posts)
106. So? It will only backfire on Clinton's campaign and that ain't a bad thing
If young voters are smart enough to detect the bullshit in those posts, they will question everything that comes out of Clinton's mouth. Which is exactly wha they ought to be doing.
It will turn around and bit them in the b--t. (not sure if I'm permitted to write the actual word on DU anymore). |
Response to tularetom (Reply #106)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:33 PM
jhart3333 (332 posts)
134. Young people aren't a given. They need some encouragement. Like this.
Butt. Okay I said it.
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Response to tularetom (Reply #106)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:24 PM
demwing (16,916 posts)
182. Ass?
Ass is ok.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:09 PM
Android3.14 (5,402 posts)
90. I have a message for the paid shills on DU (and we all know who they are)
Go TOS yourselves.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:18 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
93. NICE Information... NICE Post!
I AM a true blue, very early on BERNIE SUPPORTER. Before I say any more I need to get back after I do some research.
BUT, thanks for lifting my spirits right now! |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:27 PM
Skinner (63,645 posts)
94. So reliable it was deleted from the /r/SandersForPresident subreddit.
But good enough for DU!
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Response to Skinner (Reply #94)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:51 PM
Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)
110. But everyone was having so much fun in GD-P
with this type of thing, I couldn't bear to be left out of all the fun.
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Response to Skinner (Reply #94)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:39 PM
questionseverything (9,263 posts)
147. reliable or not
we have evidence this kind of thing does happen, du has even had a member targeted, brad friedman
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8355 As noted, one of those they'd planned to target in hopes of discrediting in their nefarious scheme was yours truly, as well as my family, and VelvetRevolution.us, the non-profit, non-partisan organization co-founded by The BRAD BLOG. I was specifically targeted personally as the Chamber's first, "Tier 1" opponent in a Power Point presentation prepared for the nation's largest corporate lobby's law firm Hunton & Williams (H&W) by the three cyber-security/intelligence firms, HBGary Federal, Berico Technologies & Palantir Technologies. The triumvirate called themselves "Team Themis" in the plots developed for the U.S. Chamber to fraudulently discredit opponents and for a very similar scheme made for Bank of America to try and disrupt WikiLeaks. So here are a few items following up on our previous report... FARCing Aaron Barr: Marcy Wheeler picks up on the general leitmotif of my piece today, highlighting tools and techniques developed by the three Team Themis firms for use against terrorist networks, now turned against U.S. citizen political opponents of their corporate clients, the U.S. Chamber and BofA. Her piece offers real world details on how HBGary's CEO and Jackass-in-Chief, Aaron Barr, had previously used the very same social media analysis tools against FARC revolutionaries --- the same tools and techniques he'd hoped to employ against people like me --- and you. //////////////////////////// |
Response to Skinner (Reply #94)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:55 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
195. Here's a comment from reddit:
"Just to set the record straight....
The post was removed by us on /r/SandersForPresident because the OP failed to provide any proof of his employment with the Clinton campaign. We didn't remove it for any other reason other than that. If he provides substantial proof that he is who he says he is, and that the campaign is implementing the strategy that he says they are, then we'd likely allow the content. But until then, it's no different than saying something like, "I met Obama at a bar once and he spit on my baby!" Anyways. That's all. I've seen people suggest that we, the mods, are Hillary shills. This is false. We've been campaigning for Bernie since before Bernie even had a campaign. I wish I got paid for this work, though..." https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/cwqqfhu |
Response to Skinner (Reply #94)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:26 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
326. So are you saying that you personally believe that this does not go on?
Because considering the cash many firms rake in doing exactly this (and have for over a decade and a half), specializing in different tactics, and working for various industries, political campaigns and marketing pushes tells a different story.
You don't make money if what you are doing is ineffective. I couldn't imagine doing something so soul-draining, cynical and deceptive, but plenty of folks are desperate enough to do so. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:29 PM
Bubzer (4,211 posts)
97. Bookmarked for later reading.
Thanks!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:30 PM
RiverLover (7,830 posts)
99. I wonder if they get paid more for OPs...
especially really really long ones....seems only fair.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:31 PM
Bread and Circus (9,454 posts)
100. That person reflects a lot of what we see here. A lot.
But I can't believe such a thing is real.
Campaigns really do this? Come on. That would be pretty low. |
Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #100)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:46 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
149. Google "dirty tricks" and "Nixon campaign 1972"
There are entire books full of the stunts that were pulled 43 years ago.
This is nothing but the high tech version of Tricky Dick's ratfkers. |
Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #100)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:30 PM
CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)
248. This is so very common...
...in the PR world. Companies, organizations, celebrities and politicians hire PR firms to manage their reputations. Anyone hiring a PR firm to create a comprehensive strategy will no doubt include social media as part of that plan.
It is typical for PR firms to be paid to post on message boards, news-article comment sections, and in the client's social-media accounts. All of this is done to gin up a positive image and further the key messages that the client pays the firm to publicize. BP used paid shills to quell hatred of the company and to stifle outrage about the Gulf War oil spill disaster. PR firms don't publicize these practices, but they do happen. The Public Relations Scociety of America frowns upon these practices and considers them dishonest. PR firms have been admonished for these shady practices. I work in PR for many years. I have friends who run agencies and work in-house for many companies. |
Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #248)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:37 PM
Bread and Circus (9,454 posts)
249. Crazy. I doubt Hillary's campaign is doing this though.
Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #249)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:56 PM
CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)
252. I totally believe that Hillary's campaign would do this..,
It's common practice.
It's not like someone is suggesting that Hillary hired a hit man. The suggestion is that she hired a PR firm to manage the social-media aspects of her campaign. Not a stretch in the slightest. Furthermore, you've got a PR strategist giving a detailed account, which sounds very credible and describes what happens in the PR world everyday. This is no different that Nestle or Coke paying PR firms to manage social media for them and write positive posts about their products. Happens daily. All over the globe! |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:38 PM
Progressive dog (6,586 posts)
101. I like the part where Trump
supporters talk well about Bernie. Does the shill think Trump is a Democrat? (rhetorical question).
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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #101)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:24 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
214. No. Guess you missed the point.
Response to merrily (Reply #214)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:19 AM
Progressive dog (6,586 posts)
280. I couldn't have missed a point from
such a credible source.
It would be even more credible if the poster had put some fake documents up with it. LOL |
Response to Progressive dog (Reply #280)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:22 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
304. Sure you could. You don't have enough faith in yourself!
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:45 PM
in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)
104. There's a boatload of those here. We all know who they are. The usual suspects.
If you think you know who they are, you're probably right.
PEACE LOVE BERNIE |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:51 PM
AzDar (14,023 posts)
108. Fucking gross, but not really surprising. Hillary will do or say ANYTHING to win.
Again and again and again, I ask: HOW CAN ANYONE TRUST HER?
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Response to AzDar (Reply #108)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:55 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
113. I don't think it's a case of trust as much as being a follower of tough authoritarian leadership.
Some people like to side with the biggest bully because it makes them feel safer. Goldman-Sachs and the billionaires are the biggest bullies. The followers don't care what her stands are as long as she is tough.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:56 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
114. Seems totally in character with Clinton campaign style.
Do or say ANYTHING to gain or keep power.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:05 PM
Dustlawyer (10,393 posts)
119. If your post is true, thanks for coming clean and I wish you luck!
I am not naive enough to think in black and white terms that all supporting one side are bad and the other side is clean as a whistle. It doesn't change the fact that Bernie is the only one going after the oligarchy that currently controls our government.
Whatever any other supporters do or say doesn't change this fact for me. I will continue to add my two cents to support Bernie because I believe in him. When I see things like the supposed "Big" fine BP got in their deal with the Feds, only to learn that they get to deduct most of it from taxes (we foot the bill), I am sickened at what America has become. The government would not even require BP to resolve all of the claims first so BP can continue to string out the utter corrupt settlement (joke) process, five and a half years and counting. Hillary stands for this type of system, she has worked her whole career in it. Say what you want, Hillary will do her part for the Plutocracy and her fundraising supports that! I do not wish to live under corporate rule any longer! Feel the Bern! |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:15 PM
Tarc (10,377 posts)
126. From Reddit? The same forum that hosts gamergate, jailbait, and other sundry sub-fora?
Yea, this is full-on 100% horseshit.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:17 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
127. Not the first time we have seen this persons writings.
Very popular here right up until the were tombstone as a troll.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:18 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
128. This MUST be true ... It's posted to the internet. n/t
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:21 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
130. This reminds me of the Sanders supporter who proudly proclaimed....
after being embarrassingly wrong "I relied on google." The best part is that it was in the middle of one of their anti-corporate screeds.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:21 PM
Indepatriot (1,253 posts)
132. I'm shocked! Shocked that a person of
Hillary's integrity would employ such tactics in the pursuit of serving the working class...
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:35 PM
Metric System (6,048 posts)
135. I'm still waiting for my cheque. In the meantime, I would give this more credence if the person
stepped from behind the keyboard. Otherwise I call BS, in more ways than one.
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Response to Metric System (Reply #135)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:09 PM
Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)
142. Checks went out yesterday...
I got mine today.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:38 PM
demmiblue (35,777 posts)
136. Quelle surprise! n/t
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:44 PM
Pathwalker (6,519 posts)
139. Lincoln was right about some people.
n/t
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jack Rabbit (45,984 posts)
143. "Eerily familiar"
Yes, I've seen some of that eerily family stuff. Usually daily.
I pay it no attention. However, charges that Bernie is racist, misogynist or unelectable, in addition to being untrue, do neither Mrs. Clinton nor her organization any good. Even if those paying the trolls are unaffiliated with Mrs. Clinton's campaign organization, it casts doubt on her credibility as a candidate, and she doesn't need anybody who supposedly thinks she'll make a good president casting more doubt on her credibility. Whether you like it or not, that's a problem she had long before Bernie announced his own candidacy and isn't going away anytime soon. |
Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #143)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:41 AM
Kentonio (4,377 posts)
276. The thing is Jack..
It really does do her good. The idea is to constantly drip feed the suggestion into the ears of people who don't care enough to actually look closely. Unfortunately that is a majority of the voting public. If the campaign is successful then if you ask those people if they know who Bernie Sanders is, you'll get a reply like 'Isn't he the sexist/racist guy who said the bad stuff about Hillary?'. They won't stop to question where that information came from, it just becomes one of those things people 'know' and then its a PITA to try and change that impression.
The best way to counter it is just to increase visibility of Sanders wherever you can, and keep building a positive vibe around the guy. That and continuing to directly counter any accusations of course. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:33 PM
renate (13,775 posts)
144. how do we know this isn't a GOP-paid poster, trying to divide and conquer
I support Bernie but I have a hard time believing that Hillary's campaign would be this shitty. Characterizing him as someone who believed women enjoyed being gang raped? That sounds JUST like the GOP's wild-eyed idea of character assassination.
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Response to renate (Reply #144)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:39 PM
AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)
146. Because the GOP fear him more than Hillary does
nt
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Response to renate (Reply #144)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:15 PM
Puglover (16,380 posts)
157. I'm not sure "dividing"
is necessary on DU ATM.
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Response to renate (Reply #144)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:31 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
177. this was from May--which actually lines up with the chronology the person saying
they're a paid troll has given
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained |
Response to MisterP (Reply #177)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:56 PM
renate (13,775 posts)
224. well, now I feel bad for assuming that reference was complete BS
It just sounded so un-Bernie-like.
And so does the essay at that link. He wasn't being anti-feminist at all, of course (it's Bernie!) but it's just such a weird essay for anybody in the public eye to write... but I guess nobody in 1972 could ever have dreamed of the Internet. Thanks for getting my dander down ![]() |
Response to renate (Reply #224)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:04 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
228. these delicate flowers wouldn't last five minutes on FanFiction.net
Response to MisterP (Reply #228)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:01 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
322. LOL!
I have some works there, myself, and you are quite correct!
You can find them under my name. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:49 PM
MineralMan (145,244 posts)
150. /r/conspiracy....now there's a reliable source for sure...
I'm sorry, but this really sounds bogus to me. I understand it was pulled from a more legitimate reddit board
I'm not buying it. |
Response to MineralMan (Reply #150)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:34 PM
Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)
160. Well
if you click on the link it lists the original source as /r/SandersForPresident
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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #160)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:38 PM
MineralMan (145,244 posts)
162. It was quickly deleted there because it had no identifiable source.
Anyone can post anywhere. Reliable sites get rid of crap as soon as they find it. /r/conspiracy leaves it to stink the place up. It's a repository for crap from just about any source. Any crap is OK to leave there for people to step on and get it on their shoe.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:56 PM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
151. I knew it.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:03 PM
Bernblu (441 posts)
152. I suspect that many of the Hillary supporters on DU and Daily Kos are paid trolls
Response to Bernblu (Reply #152)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:11 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
155. Or maybe they're paid Bernie trolls who are instructed to appear to be paid Hillary trolls, but to
be really bad at it so that everyone thinks the Hillary trolls are awful and the other paid Hillary trolls who are pretending to be Bernie trolls will not be noticed because all the attention is on the double-double-reverse Bernie-Hillary-Bernie trolls.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:27 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
159. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:40 PM
MineralMan (145,244 posts)
163. Frankly, the number of recs on this thread is
a stain on DU's reputation for valid information. Embarrassing, to say the least.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #163)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:00 PM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
171. Some people have broken bullshit detectors.
And some know it's bullshit but push it anyway.
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #171)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:57 AM
lonestarnot (77,097 posts)
283. Broken bullshit detector! Ohs noooooooooooooosssss!
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:41 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
164. This struck me as particularly interesting:
I had one of those "what are you doing with your life" moments. When even the scum of 4chan think that your candidate is too scummy for their tastes, you need to take a good hard look at your life. Then this morning I read that the National Association of Broadcasters were bankrolling both Clinton and Rubio, and that broke the camel's back. I emailed my resignation this morning. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/ Do you think maybe we have a couple of these paid Hillary trolls on DU? I'm asking. The snarky posts? The DUers who don't seem interested in real communication? I wonder sometimes when I can't get a straight answer from people about what they think and why. Makes me wonder whether maybe some people just haven't thought things through or whether they are paid per post or per hour. I really like to know what people are thinking about the issues. But some of the DUers don't really seem to want to talk issues. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:42 PM
Historic NY (36,733 posts)
165. Well if he is a former employee why is he still posting to twitter.....
I think I better advise him.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:44 PM
MineralMan (145,244 posts)
166. I went to the link in the OP.
Now, there's some nasty smelling stuff on my shoe. I tried scraping it of with a stick from my yard, but it still smells like dog droppings.
Does anyone have any hints for removing sticky, smelly stuff from shoe soles? I don't want to touch it, of course. |
Response to MineralMan (Reply #166)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:51 PM
Historic NY (36,733 posts)
167. I'm PM'd the twitter user...
sammichbitch was the Reddit poster....
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Response to Historic NY (Reply #167)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:53 PM
MineralMan (145,244 posts)
168. I have no idea what you just said.
You are PM'd, the twitter user? Was the twitter user you? Did you forget the comma? Or did you mean something else? Please clarify, so I'll understand what you are trying to say.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #168)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:02 PM
Historic NY (36,733 posts)
172. Private messaged the twitter user that is the alleged shill.......
according to what the op posted.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:27 PM
beerandjesus (1,301 posts)
175. What strikes me about this thread is how quick the Hillary crowd is to trash Reddit.
Everyone knows there's a lot of bullshit there--in that respect, it's just like the rest of the internet.
But one thing is for damn-fucking-sure: People who hang out on Reddit are, on average, of a MUCH younger demographic than Hillary and her supporters. In other words, you'd think that if all this hand-wringing about party building were serious, they might not be quite so quick to dismiss something out of hand SOLELY because it's on Reddit. In other words, they might think that it would be stupid to be so brazenly dismissive of Millennials. But no, once again, Hillary and her peeps know whose shoulders the future of the party rests on: the BOOMERS! (But don't worry, they'll remember Millennials when they need someone to blame for the NEXT round of election losses.) |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:28 PM
Autumn (42,866 posts)
176. Now I see.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:51 PM
Blue_In_AK (46,436 posts)
179. I have no idea if this is true or not,
but we do see similar tactics being used around here by the same people over and over. I'll leave it at that.
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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #179)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:27 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
215. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck
and quacks like a duck ...
I'm sure you know where I going with this analogy. How are things up in the winter on the platform? I hope they have been kind. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:35 PM
chknltl (10,558 posts)
187. Did anyone get his DU/Discussionist name?
That is presuming he posted here or there. I would like to see if he made my ignore list.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:39 PM
mhatrw (10,786 posts)
190. To everybody still drawing a paycheck.
Great job, team! Morale is at all-time high. Chocolate rations have just been increased!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:46 PM
Maven (10,533 posts)
191. /r/SandersForPresident deleted this because they couldn't verify the identity of the source
So unless you can provide proof this person is who he/she says, I hope you'll be deleting this post.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:04 PM
MyNameGoesHere (7,638 posts)
204. Thank god this was Reddit
because I have to believe it now.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:07 PM
PatrynXX (5,668 posts)
206. I still remember ol Betty White's response to this
a question was asked (because of Hillary) Does she think Obama is Sexist. She answered. Is Obama Sexy? Oh yes, thats one hunk of man there.
Thanks to Betty I remember this old attack line. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:20 PM
jhart3333 (332 posts)
212. Kickin it. I already recced.
I'm just getting up to speed here.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:28 PM
whereisjustice (2,941 posts)
216. Conservative dirt bags are just following their lead - poison Democrats in order to make themselves
look more electable to the cherished and loving right wing nut jobs in both parties.
Hillary WILL lead this way from the White House. Nasty, right wing politics favoring the rich and fucking over working families. And she WILL be sending your job to Asia. Birds of a feather... |
Response to whereisjustice (Reply #216)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:34 PM
whereisjustice (2,941 posts)
217. & women who falsely accuse men of bad sexual behavior/ethics will set us back 50 years....
And make us all pay the for their patented stupidity.
Everywhere Hillary goes she leaves a trail of wreckage behind her. She's not worth it. No one is. |
Response to whereisjustice (Reply #217)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 03:12 AM
kjones (1,051 posts)
268. Gotta get that dig in there don't ya!
Response to kjones (Reply #268)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:24 PM
whereisjustice (2,941 posts)
305. Her imaginary Grandparents would say they raised her better. Her real ones? Who knows.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:40 PM
MohRokTah (15,429 posts)
218. Wow, 160 Recs over something removed from the source because it was unsubstantiated.
Man, how embarrassing for the OP.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:47 PM
artislife (9,497 posts)
219. The fact that it doesn't seem far fetched us enough for me
Oh..Poor h supporters. .not liking being accused of false allegations or shall I say unsubstantiated ones. Hurst when the shoe is thrown back, I guess.
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Response to artislife (Reply #219)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:26 PM
Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)
235. Congratulations!
That was my entire purpose in submitting this Thread -- just throwing the shoe back at them.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #235)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:00 AM
artislife (9,497 posts)
259. Love ya Le Taz Hot!
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Response to artislife (Reply #219)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:01 AM
artislife (9,497 posts)
260. I shouldn't post using my phone...heh
typos all around...well...
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:54 PM
pnwmom (107,957 posts)
223. This anonymous confession belongs in the old True Confessions magazine. It has as much credibility.
See post 80 and 94. This "confession" has been deleted from the reddit thread because the poster couldn't establish his connection with the Hillary campaign.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:44 PM
PatrickforO (14,002 posts)
236. Some very interesting comments in this thread, Le Taz.
As you may know, I've been a staunch Bernie supporter from the get-go because the guy is telling the truth, he is talking about issues I care about, and offers solutions with which I agree. In addition, he isn't taking money from Super PACs and he's been pretty frugal with his campaign spending. Yet he has a growing number of committed supporters, myself included.
I really hate to say this, but when I read the expose in your OP and the entire confession, my reaction was not disbelief. And I DO hate that my reaction was not disbelief. I very much want to believe Clinton would not, herself, advocate anything like this. However she's an experienced campaigner and will pull up the smallest things for the most miniscule advantage. So do I think Hillary is PERSONALLY involved in this, or even knows about it? I cannot answer with an unequivocal 'no.' I just can't. I worked for Obama in 2008 and I know how dirty it got. Back then, it was never Hillary - it was her surrogates. Did she know what they were going to say? Again I cannot unequivocally answer 'no.' And the Super PACs? They will do anything. Remember their money comes from the immoral capitalist parasites we call 'billionaires.' These are the scum who allow people to die just for the sake of a little more profit. They are amoral; they will do anything they think necessary to eke out that uttermost farthing from people like us. Last, I think of my experience on here. There are about ten people who post regularly on here that I have suspected are trolls, paid per post to hijack threads, argue until people get tired and discouraged and give up. So, thanks for bringing this out in the open. |
Response to PatrickforO (Reply #236)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:37 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
238. when you see coordinated talking points
and never a hint of real discussion it is hard to keep from being suspicious.
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #236)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:21 PM
m-lekktor (3,675 posts)
247. yes it was interesting to see how frantically unhinged this post made some people.
I wouldn't find it shocking that this sort of thing goes on whether this is legit or not so i was not gasping in disbelief when i read this. I already think so low of Hillary Clinton and the type of people she surrounds herself with so this sort of thing just makes me shrug. Anyway it's interesting to see the folks trying to hysterically shame people for "liking" or giving this thread credence. I have seen much more bat shit insane themed threads supported and 'liked' by the clique that is freaking out over this one.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:19 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
246. Res ipsa loquitur
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:52 PM
Uncle Joe (55,597 posts)
251. Kicked and recommended
Thanks for the thread, Le Taz Hot.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:13 AM
NuclearDem (16,184 posts)
253. 172 people have lost any standing to call anyone else a sucker.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:24 AM
Pryderi (6,772 posts)
255. This forum is littered with them tonight.
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:55 AM
Hydra (14,459 posts)
257. Wow, I see all the usual suspects in this thread picking up paycheck posts
I knew this was going on though- and out of curiosity I tested it with one of our lively pbp guests. S/he did not disappoint.
Keep it up Team Hillary! You may make that $100 per week...you're not changing any minds here though. |
Response to Hydra (Reply #257)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:58 AM
sheshe2 (79,397 posts)
258. You may want to read the thread, Hydra.
Reddit deleted the post. No verification of fact and it was deleted.
Keep it up team Bernie. |
Response to sheshe2 (Reply #258)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:05 AM
Hydra (14,459 posts)
261. A person's identity does not have to be revealed for facts to be passed on
Ask Woodward and Bernstein. Besides, everyone knows what's going on here- it's practically on cue cards for everyone to see.
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Response to Hydra (Reply #257)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:48 AM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
278. Aren't they cute when they bounce off each other's posts?
Response to Divernan (Reply #278)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:20 PM
Hydra (14,459 posts)
303. Ya, I'm curious if they get paid less for those
Or if they argue that those reinforcement posts are more powerful? Either way, $100 a week is pretty ungenerous wage for working for the Ministry of Truth.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:15 AM
jfern (5,204 posts)
262. This is a pure hate campaign, and should be treated as such
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:43 AM
Matariki (18,775 posts)
265. Well this should be intrestng
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:53 AM
LovingA2andMI (7,006 posts)
267. Why Am I Not SURPRISED.
At least Independent Underground News & Talk are not paid by the Sanders Campaign to be Bernie Supporters. We just support Bernie, no pay required, hands down!!!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:56 AM
eridani (51,907 posts)
273. Plausible doesn't necessarily equate to true. The question I have is "Why is it plausible at all?"
One reason is that Clinton has already had documented paid Twitter and Facebook friends. Ditto the State Department. Another is that at least one "special" site exists to coordinate trashing of Sanders supporters on DU. No one would give the OP the time of day without this prior history.
The specific tactics do seem way over the top. Not sure I believe them without further proof. Meanwhile Sandernistas don't need to congregate onspecial trashing sites, and we don't need hashtags like #Hillarysoblack. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:55 AM
seaglass (8,157 posts)
279. Ugh this thread does not look good for Bernie supporters on DU. Very gullible, CT-ish, forming
opinions without facts - are these common traits with Bernie supporters across his base or just on DU? Yikes.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:26 AM
Progressive dog (6,586 posts)
281. Double agent shill?
The story is so bad, it's the only explanation that makes sense.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:57 AM
raouldukelives (5,178 posts)
282. The 50 cent army comes home.
I hope, if these sorts of allegations are true, more people will awaken and start to take the mantle of democracy, that so many fought and died for, seriously.
We will have the best future we create. Those in the service of those resisting change are no friends of any of the disadvantaged, of any form of democracy, anywhere, in the world. |
Response to raouldukelives (Reply #282)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:20 AM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
294. Thanks to Le Taz Hot for getting out and telling us about what's going on when it's
relatively early in the game, and we still have enough time.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:33 AM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
286. Kicking...
... just to "piss off all the right people."
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:16 AM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
293. Thanks for leaving them and telling us about it so openly. It takes courage. My hat
off to you.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:43 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
298. My challenge for the morning crowd...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251775947
I am doubling it to $200.00. That's more than I have spent on clothes in the last six months. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #298)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:52 AM
jack_krass (1,009 posts)
301. The only ones who could "prove" it
Would be the shills themselves. And they're not going to risk their regular pay for the pittance you're offering (You're competing against billionaires)
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Response to jack_krass (Reply #301)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:57 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
302. It can't be proven because it's untrue...
That's absolute Kafkasesque...
It would be akin to the drowning of witches...If the poor woman drowned she really wasn't a witch in the first place... It smells of fanaticism and totalitarianism. I will quadruple my offer...Maybe the person who made up the story will read this and respond: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=777733 |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:46 AM
jack_krass (1,009 posts)
299. Explains alot
Specially the "not good enough, Bernie" fecal matter and the like.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:51 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
300. I remember being on another forum before I joined DU, just prior to the
invasion of Iraq. It was absolutely clear there were posters there following a script which included the ugliest things possible to challenge those of us who were against it. They repeated themselves and others word for word, day after day.
You knew exactly when a new talking point was added, they may as well have pinned it to the top with bright red lettering. Trotted out over and over until the next one. It was as transparent as all hell. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:18 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
324. Open Secret
This has been going on since usenet days. The only way you could *NOT* know that this is a thriving industry is to be naive beyond belief.
Hell, there are a variety of firms that offer these services. They aren't doing it because it doesn't work! No need to piss on my leg and tell me it is raining. |
Response to Aerows (Reply #324)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:42 PM
ibegurpard (16,685 posts)
328. Is this paricularly incident true?
No clue but anyone who claims this isn't going on or chalks it up to conspiracy theory is either participating in it or benefitting from it.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #328)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:50 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
329. I have no idea about this specific case
I just know there are a slew of firms that offer this as a service, and make damn good money doing it.
Nobody pays for things that don't work. You can buy facebook likes, you can buy twitter followers, why on earth would it be a conspiracy theory to think you can't buy posters to push your line? The first huge incident where this became known was with the Sony PSP "All I want for Christmas" scheme, but since then, several have become noted. ![]() |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:55 PM
artislife (9,497 posts)
337. Kick.
Because I like this OP.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:42 PM
liberal_at_heart (12,081 posts)
338. Thank you Le Taz Hot. I think we all suspected something like this.
I believe there are real Hillary supporters here but the trolls are pretty obvious. They love to start trouble and just won't stop. That's why I love to use my ignore button. As far as I'm concerned arguing with trolls is a waste of my time.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:38 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
340. Kick !!!
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:06 AM
sellitman (11,344 posts)
342. This doesn't surprise me at all.
This is how her "Puma's" behaved in the last election she ran in. This is why the only vote she will get from me is if she is my only credible choice in the General election.
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