Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:01 PM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
Is this How Hillary pays back a good turn?:
Bernie initially said that he would not say anything negative about fellow Democrats during the
campaign, and he kept his word. During the first Democratic Primary Presidential debate, he even helped Hillary, when the subject of her e-mails was brought up, in stead of taking advantage of the situation. Very gentlemanly of him, indeed! Then later Hillary started attacking him personally. Well, is that her way of repaying him for having been a gentleman? It struck me that she was the type who believes in "Win at any Price, no holds barred" -- not a very pleasant character trait to have, in my opinion! It would have been foolish of Bernie to continue taking it lying down under these circumstances, wouldn't it? Being the fighter that he is, he is striking back. Now Hillary supporters are complaining about Bernie supporters "hating Hillary" when they criticize her. Who started the negativity first? Do Hillary supporters see what I have written above also as "hate?" I consider it as a criticism of Hillary, based on fact. Nobody's perfect. I don't particularly like Hillary, but I don't hate her either. As I have stated in past posts, I will vote for her in the GE, should she beat Bernie in the Primaries.
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Cal33 | Nov 2015 | OP |
DanTex | Nov 2015 | #1 | |
Cal33 | Nov 2015 | #5 | |
vorgan24 | Nov 2015 | #8 | |
Cal33 | Nov 2015 | #11 | |
Historic NY | Nov 2015 | #28 | |
dpatbrown | Nov 2015 | #41 | |
Kentonio | Nov 2015 | #75 | |
Armstead | Nov 2015 | #10 | |
imthevicar | Nov 2015 | #6 | |
Bread and Circus | Nov 2015 | #14 | |
sabrina 1 | Nov 2015 | #19 | |
hughee99 | Nov 2015 | #20 | |
rhett o rick | Nov 2015 | #26 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #33 | |
Motown_Johnny | Nov 2015 | #40 | |
1monster | Nov 2015 | #73 | |
cui bono | Nov 2015 | #74 | |
72DejaVu | Nov 2015 | #2 | |
rhett o rick | Nov 2015 | #27 | |
floriduck | Nov 2015 | #54 | |
peacebird | Nov 2015 | #55 | |
stillwaiting | Nov 2015 | #79 | |
azmom | Nov 2015 | #3 | |
Cal33 | Nov 2015 | #7 | |
sabrina 1 | Nov 2015 | #23 | |
JaneyVee | Nov 2015 | #4 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #34 | |
SwampG8r | Nov 2015 | #53 | |
Smarmie Doofus | Nov 2015 | #9 | |
Cal33 | Nov 2015 | #12 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #21 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #35 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #13 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #22 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #48 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #56 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #57 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #59 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #60 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #61 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #63 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #67 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #68 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #69 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #70 | |
VanillaRhapsody | Nov 2015 | #71 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #72 | |
LiberalArkie | Nov 2015 | #31 | |
That Guy 888 | Nov 2015 | #50 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #15 | |
mcar | Nov 2015 | #58 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #16 | |
rhett o rick | Nov 2015 | #30 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #32 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #36 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #44 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #46 | |
rhett o rick | Nov 2015 | #43 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #49 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #66 | |
Tarc | Nov 2015 | #17 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #18 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #37 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #39 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #45 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #52 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #62 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2015 | #64 | |
Live and Learn | Nov 2015 | #65 | |
demwing | Nov 2015 | #47 | |
cantbeserious | Nov 2015 | #24 | |
abakan | Nov 2015 | #25 | |
Cal33 | Nov 2015 | #29 | |
billhicks76 | Nov 2015 | #38 | |
Phlem | Nov 2015 | #42 | |
Thinkingabout | Nov 2015 | #51 | |
JustAnotherGen | Nov 2015 | #76 | |
Enthusiast | Nov 2015 | #77 | |
alcibiades_mystery | Nov 2015 | #78 |
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:06 PM
DanTex (20,709 posts)
1. Translation: Bernie flip-flopped, and you're making excuses for him.
Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:29 PM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
5. Bernie protected Hillary during the first Democratic Primary Debate from being challenged
on the topic of her e-mails, and shortly thereafter she came out with her attacks on him.
And you are expecting him not to defend himself? You call this "flip flop?" I think you either don't understand the term "flip flop," or you are incapable of looking at a situation objectively. |
Response to Cal33 (Reply #5)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:42 PM
vorgan24 (50 posts)
8. So, two wrongs make a right?
Mr. Honest said he wasn't going to turn this into a campaign of personal attacks, but after a few comments he decides to go on the all-out offensive.
Seriously, if this is how he reacts to some minor commentary then I'm afraid to see how he'd react to the commentary Russia or China send our way ![]() |
Response to vorgan24 (Reply #8)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:59 PM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
11. He protected Hillary from being attacked on the subject of her emails, and she
repaid him for that by attacking him some days later. And then he began to
defend himself. You call this "two wrongs?" I see only one wrong -- Hillary's. And add to that her ingratitude. Bernie's action is self-defense. There is nothing wrong with self-defense. |
Response to Cal33 (Reply #11)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:26 PM
Historic NY (36,739 posts)
28. Kinda of a moot point now isn't it....
he walked back his comments and now the...
The U.S. intelligence community has retreated from claims that two emails in Hillary Clinton’s private account contained top-secret information, a source familiar with the situation told POLITICO. After a review, intelligence agencies concluded that the two emails did not include highly classified intelligence secrets, the source said. Concerns about the emails' classification helped trigger an ongoing FBI inquiry into Clinton's private email setup. Intelligence Community Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III made the claim that two of the emails contained top-secret information; the State Department publicly stated its disagreement and asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office to referee the dispute. Now, that disagreement has been resolved in State’s favor, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-no-highly-classified-215599#ixzz3qqain03E http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-no-highly-classified-215599 |
Response to vorgan24 (Reply #8)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:01 PM
dpatbrown (368 posts)
41. First of all,
it's insulting to refer to Senator Sanders as "Mr. Honest". That goes without saying, and something that can't be said about Hillary. Secondly, to call it an "all-out offensive", is hyperbole at its best. For him to be mocked for his honesty is below the belt.
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Response to vorgan24 (Reply #8)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:05 AM
Kentonio (4,377 posts)
75. All out offensive?
Oh that is hilarious. If you think pointing out the differences between them is even an attack, then when you see what the GOP would do with her you'll get a real shock.
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Response to Cal33 (Reply #5)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:58 PM
Armstead (47,803 posts)
10. It's the second altrnative
Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:30 PM
imthevicar (811 posts)
6. The diffrence between a flip Flop and Pointing out the truth!
IS what we have here!
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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:31 PM
Bread and Circus (9,454 posts)
14. Has Bernie attacked Hillary personally in a way not relevant to policy?
Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:41 PM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
19. Did Bernie get personal with Hillary, or just point out where she was wrong, again?
I saw no flip flop. He is going to point out any lies told about him by her or her campaign. Best way for her to avoid this is to tell her campaign to stop the lies, stop buying talking points that are false and spreading them aroud, and for her to stick to the issues and take a lesson from Bernie on how NOT to do what politicians always do, just tell the truth about the issues and she'll be fine.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:42 PM
hughee99 (16,113 posts)
20. Perhaps he "evolved" like Clinton does
When she abruptly changes positions.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:19 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
26. That's projection if I've ever seen it. Which side of the Fracking issue is HRC on today?
How about the TPP? She doesn't flip-flop on her devotion to Wall Street, she even said that the only thing she did to control Wall Street was tell them to stop it. Probably wagged her finger also, and then they all had a good laugh and they donated to her campaign, her foundation or her personal wealth.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:35 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
33. Nope, he has never attacked her. He has pointed out differences in their take on issues.
He has to since she keeps stealing his.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:58 PM
Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)
40. It seems Clinton supporters hear what they want to hear.
Bernie addressed the way the media was covering the email scandal. Clinton supporters heard him tell the FBI to stop the investigation into the emails. Now they call it a flip flop. Nowhere near being in touch with reality on this one. |
Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:01 AM
1monster (11,012 posts)
73. Stating her record, setting the record straight (where it was distorted),
and comparing her records and policies to his is not a personal attack. Bernie did not flip flop.It is not an attack to compare and contrast ones opponent to oneself and it is very disengenuous for anyone to suggest that it is.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:18 AM
cui bono (19,926 posts)
74. Flip flopped on what?
Bernie doesn't need any excuses made for him. As the OP's example shows, he is a class act and he stood up for Hillary in the debates.
Hillary, otoh, shows no class by playing the gender card - twice now - against Bernie when it was completely unwarranted. She makes personal attacks that are smears rather than talk about issues. Slimy. |
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:10 PM
72DejaVu (1,545 posts)
2. If the Bernie supporters had thinner skins
they'd pop like balloons.
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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #2)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:21 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
27. We are fighting the billionaires' control of our government. Some are comfortable with
the big money rule but we are not. Insult away, but don't slip up and talk about issues.
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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #2)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:46 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
54. Actually, Hillary made a conscious
decision to take a general statement about people debating (shouting) gun control and turn it into a multiple speech statement about sexism. Hillary likes to play dirty and she is determined to attack anyone and anything that gets in her way of her entitled presidency. She uses false tears and humble mumble trying to get sympathy. She switches positions like you change underwear. There is very little about the woman that is genuine. And a flawed female candidate is STILL a flawed candidate.
And those of you Hillarites that expect all of the Bernie supporters to forget your lies and attacks and vote for her IF she wins the primary are really asking a lot. I believe in Bernie. And I don't expect any HRC sheep to vote for Bernie when he gets the nod. I just thought I should get that out there now before more bullshit flies from the corporate corner.. |
Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #2)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:51 AM
stillwaiting (3,795 posts)
79. Too many Hillary supporters believe that criticizing Hillary's past actions and past/current policy
positions is "hating" on her.
That to me is incredibly thin skin. Most people don't take kindly to being called racist or sexist. This has been happening to Bernie and his supporters. It's obnoxious and hideous, and it's going to get a reaction some of the time. |
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:19 PM
azmom (5,208 posts)
3. I really hope he keeps exposing her
For what she really is. Enough of the artifice.
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Response to azmom (Reply #3)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:32 PM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
7. I believe he will. I'll say Hillary is tough, but Bernie is both tough and fair.
Response to Cal33 (Reply #7)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:46 PM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
23. He's much tougher. He doesn't have an army of Think Tanks and lobbyists and 'advisers' and Wall St
CEOs telling him what to say or do. Never did need all that. He stands up for himself and does it exceptionally well.
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:20 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
4. I noticed she didn't even utter their names yesterday, while...
Her opposition couldn't help themselves.
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #4)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:37 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
34. Bernie was asked about Hillary. Should he refuse to speak her name?
What do you suggest he call her instead?
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #4)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:45 PM
SwampG8r (10,287 posts)
53. Yeah but she did say she could name a Republican to be her vp
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:54 PM
Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)
9. Listen. It's a political campaign. If they don't draw distinctions...
... between themselves and their opponents, what the heck is the point?
I cannot STAND Clinton. Repeat: Cannot *stand* her. Cannot stand *her*; cannot stand her * politics*. If Sanders said... or implied.... that he wouldn't compare his own record favorably relative to Clinton's ( which I can't believe)... than that was a DUMB thing to say. And he should retract it. So far... I don't think anything that's come out Clinton's mouth in terms of negativity.... has been over the top. The bullshit about "shouting" is typical of her and her crew: cynical, dishonest, manipulative. But par for the course for her... and really not that "bad" as primary norms go. Point is: Clinton's got nothing of substance or consequence to say about virtually anything. "Vote for me; I'm a woman." is pretty much it. Sanders, OTOH... is LOADED. But Sanders has TO MAKE HIS CASE. The case THAT HE IS SUPERIOR TO CLINTON. This is not a hard case to make. ( To put it mildly.) But the point is: no one else is going to do it. |
Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #9)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:13 PM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
12. Have you read the post "Confessions from a Hillary Shill" by Le Taz Hot (not many threads
down from here at the present time)? The message describes how someone working for
Hillary's campaign felt he had to quit when he could no longer take any more of the BS that was going on there. He not only quit Hillary, he also switched sides and joined Bernie. It's a good read. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=773551 |
Response to Cal33 (Reply #12)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:42 PM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
21. and it total hogwash
like online polls....
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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #21)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:39 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
35. You have no proof of that. nt
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:30 PM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
13. "Win at any Price, no holds barred" is pretty much Hillary's style... against Democratic rivals
If she were that dirty a fighter against repugnantcans, it would go a long way towards mitigating her other flaws.
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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #13)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:43 PM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
22. Yeah that is what they said about the late Dale Earnhardt....
but what he was ....was a winner.
And I don't know what you are talking about....she polls ahead of all of them...tied with Carson the Flavor du jour.....but he is not going to be that for much longer.... |
Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #22)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:21 PM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
48. What I'm talking about is IMO a lawyerly approach to the gop
Reserved, dignified, certain civility maintained with her gop opponents, like opposing counsel in court. When the court shuts down at the end of the day, she has no problems going out to share drinks at the local watering hole with the other side.
But OTH democrats who dare question her... well those are just peasants that don't deserve the same chivalrous code of conduct as her gop opponents. In short, she doesn't see democrats who disagree with her as deserving the courtesy and respect she gives to republican office holders. If she were "sharp elbows and eye-gouging" style dirty fighting with the gop, she would be closer to having my vote in the primary. Keep in mind, just my opinion, nothing to do with any other posters. |
Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #48)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:53 PM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
56. So? They ALL do that....
Jeebus.....you really do not understand how it works in DC do you?
This is politics not Tiddly Winks.... |
Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #56)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:05 PM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
57. All Democrats hit Democratic oponents harder than republicans?
You really believe that?
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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #57)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:12 PM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
59. Have you seen the Republican Primary?
Besides this is politics not pillow fights....
She is the one candidate that WILL confront the Republicans...that is why I like her. Bernie is just not up to the task. He wants Marquis of Queensbury rules...they dont fight by those... |
Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #59)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:28 PM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
60. Talking about DEMOCRATS, not the 'pukes
And yes they (the republicans) for the most part hit Dems harder than their peers.
She is the one candidate that WILL confront the Republicans
When? She's one of those Democrats who want to wait for the perfect strategic position to attack, and it never comes until after "we the people" lead the way. Imagine if she, as one of the Senators who had World Trade victims as constituents, had said bush's Iraq war would would delay, and maybe deny justice for the victims of 9/11? Sometimes it's necessary to do the right thing, she did not. Marquis of Queensbury rules It seemed that way to me when she very politely agreed to richard mellon scaiffe's every whim to be interviewed by him. Why crawl to the man who funded a smear machine against you and your family? I guess to show that she can "work" with republicans. |
Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #60)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:31 PM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
61. Who coined the term Vast Rightwing Conspiracy?
They hate her because they have thrown every punch they have at her and still she kicks thier asses.....without fail. You can get that notion out of your head that she will go easy on them....that is hogwash....
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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #61)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:41 PM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
63. and she crawled to the funder of the "vast right wing conspiracy"
Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:23 PM - Edit history (1) for an interview agreeing to all his preconditions, to show she could work with republicans.
Glad to see that you're not trying to say pukes don't hit Dems harder than their fellow 'pukes. You can get that notion out of your head that she will go easy on them....
Past is prologue. She goes after them in a very lawyer-like way, knowing at the end of the day there's a good chance she'll meet them at the matalin-carville's for drinks, or perhaps at the bush family compound in Kennebunkport. |
Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #63)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:07 AM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
67. She did???
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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #67)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:09 AM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
68. She Didn't?
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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #68)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:10 AM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
69. I guess
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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #69)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:19 AM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
70. So to sum up... Hillary fights Dems harder than the gop
She attacks Dems harder than repugs. You no longer contest that, glad to see you accept reality.
She crawls to right wingers like richard mellon scaiffe to show that she is pragmatic and can get things done, which apparently fills you with joy. And you're cool with her hanging out with the bush's (hey maybe she can be Hillary bush, sorta like Bandar, right?) |
Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #70)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:20 AM
VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)
71. No...Hillary fights...
That is all...
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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #71)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:24 AM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
72. She crawled to richard mellon scaiffe just prove that she could work with repukes
She's smart and knowledgeable but couldn't figure out dimson wanted to be "a war time president" no matter what? Quite the fighter... grrr
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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #13)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:30 PM
LiberalArkie (15,126 posts)
31. That technically is Arkansas politics. Maybe all Southern politics. It is a contact sport.
You lie, you steal, hell send someone to jail if need be. There is only one goal. Win. That is the only thing that ever matters. If it means telling someone how much you respect them while running a blade through them. Well it is just politics. Ask James Carville he knows how it is played, hell ethics do not apply when running for office.
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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #31)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:07 PM
That Guy 888 (1,214 posts)
50. My complaint isn't political "contact sports"
It's that to extend the metaphor, her fouls seem to be only against democrats. If she were just an all-round dirty fighter, and not just against democrats, and not just in service to her own ambitions then I would applaud her "Arkansas politics" fighting ability.
Hmmm... Carville, not a fan. I hope he didn't let scooter libby read Goldilocks and the Three Bears to his kids. |
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:33 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
15. "Then later Hillary started attacking him personally"?
Any specific quotes?
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Response to George II (Reply #15)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:09 PM
mcar (41,065 posts)
58. Was wondering that too
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:33 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
16. Wrong. He did NOT try to do her a good turn with the emails.
That his answer was due to having to give an answer in 12 seconds.
And that he supports the investigation into her emails and that it is a "character issue." So he wasn't trying to be "gentlemanly" -- that was a goof-up. http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-takes-gloves-off-against-hillary-clinton-in-interview-1446684586 |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:27 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
30. But she gave him a warm thank you after he said it. And are you using the Wall Street
Journal as a source? Isn't that as bad as Fox News? Murdock probably favors Clinton as does the rest of the crooks on Wall Street.
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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #30)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:31 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
32. It was an interview with QUOTATIONS that Bernie does not dispute.
And it has been widely reported ,so he should dispute it if the WSJ misquoted him.
Get real. Yes -- Hillary thanked him. She saw a good way to use what he'd said to her benefit. She thought fast on her feet, which is a useful quality in a debater. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #32)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:42 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
36. It is a "character issue." Who could dispute that? Even Hillary admits it was a mistake.
So Bernie merely stated a fact.
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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #36)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:09 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
44. It was a tech issue. The non-classified .gov issue was a clunky antique
that no previous S of S had used.
Who could dispute that? |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #44)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:11 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
46. I already answered that below but keep kicking the OP. nt
Response to pnwmom (Reply #32)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:06 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
43. I can't read the quote because I don't subscribe to the Wall Street Journal. nm
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #43)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:48 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
49. Many other media sources repeat the quotes. I don't have a subscription either
but they let you read 10 each month for free.
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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #30)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:55 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
66. She did it to be nice.
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:33 PM
Tarc (10,377 posts)
17. The "he even helped Hillary" meme
Post-debate, didn't the Sanders camp say that his line there was one that he rehearsed and that it was not intended as support but rather a criticism that her e-mail situation was a distraction, but sitll a problem for her?
No the Sanders supporters use it as an example of his chivalry? Y'all need to make up your minds here. |
Response to Tarc (Reply #17)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:40 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
18. Yes, and he said it was a "character issue" in his WSJ interview this week.
See post #16.
So he messed up his delivery of the line, which allowed Hillary to take it and run with it. And then he got credit from some for being "gentlemanly." |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #18)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:44 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
37. Yes, and he was correct. nt
Response to Live and Learn (Reply #37)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:56 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
39. No, it was a tech issue that he didn't have to deal with as a Rep or Senator.
The non-classified state department email system was an antique that couldn't be used away from the department. And she wasn't supposed to use the classified system for anything that wasn't classified.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #39)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:10 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
45. Then she should have done something to get it fixed but I don't believe that anyway.
I am not allowed to post company business on my private email and she shouldn't either. She also knew it was a big issue when Rove and Cheney did it. It should be illegal. It certainly gives the illusion of impropriety which is a character flaw.
I am actually quite surprised that you keep bringing it up. If she were my candidate I would hope the issue died a timely death. |
Response to Live and Learn (Reply #45)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:40 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
52. The wheels of government turn very slowly and it was on schedule to be fixed -- by 2015.
I didn't bring the issue up and she isn't "my" candidate. I like all three. But I will defend her when people spread lies about her.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #52)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:41 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
62. Then she should have found an appropriate way to deal with it.
I only see you defend her. Funny how posting like emails leave traces behind.
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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #62)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:49 PM
pnwmom (107,962 posts)
64. There are more lies posted about her here because there are many
more supporters of Bernie here.
But just the other day I corrected a post a Hillary supporter had made, saying that she was "leading" in a NH poll because she was 3 points "ahead." That is what the reporter had said, too, but it was wrong. Hillary and Bernie are neck and neck in the poll -- tied -- because that result was within the margin of error. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #64)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:51 PM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
65. Wow, I guess I missed one of your posts. Way to stick your neck out. nt
Response to Tarc (Reply #17)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:21 PM
demwing (16,916 posts)
47. Citation, please
I don't recall Bernie ever saying that he intended the line as a criticism of Hillary
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:11 PM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
24. The Truth Will Out - Though Justice May Be Denied
eom
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:16 PM
abakan (1,679 posts)
25. No good deed goes unpunished.
Bernie needs to remember who he is fighting against. To Mrs. Clinton politics are a blood sport and being a gentleman will not stop or slow her down. She will see it as a sign of weakness and will take advantage of that perceived weakness every chance she has. I don't mind if Bernie comes out swinging and shows the real difference between the two. I want to see the best candidate possible in the general election and I believe that is Bernie but i will vote for the democratic candidate no matter who it turns out to be.
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Response to abakan (Reply #25)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:26 PM
Cal33 (7,018 posts)
29. Me, too. I would vote for Hillary if she wins the Primaries. It would be death for democracy
if the Republicans win.
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:48 PM
billhicks76 (5,082 posts)
38. Smeared Obama As Muslim
"anyone who doubts just how low Hillary Clinton is willing to go to smear an opponent doesn't remember when she was running against Barack Obama. "Obama's campaign team accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he was a Muslim. Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election." Now she's suggesting that Bernie Sanders is racist and sexist and that it is HE who is "going negative"
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:04 PM
Phlem (6,323 posts)
42. The apologies are facking amazing in this thread and
Entertaining.
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:08 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
51. We see the story Sanders never changes his mind is not true, another flip flop.
Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:18 AM
JustAnotherGen (30,586 posts)
76. I think winning
National elections is nasty business and everyone in the race should throw elbows when they see fit. Not just on our side, but Republicans too.
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:26 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
77. Hillary is tough.
Didn't you get that?
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Response to Cal33 (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:28 AM
alcibiades_mystery (36,437 posts)
78. Post about supporters
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