2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie supporters. Please stop promoting that Hillary is loosening her stance on cannabis.
Her stance is still CRIMINALIZATION. Bernie's is not. She wants to downgrade it to research level. Which means nothing to the disproportionate numbers of black and brown folks who are arrested and incarcerated for use.
Bernie wants to remove it altogether from the Federal registry of drugs.
Bernie's proposal is a huge step forward for human beings.
Hillary's proposal is a step for pharmaceuticals who want to control the distribution and use of marijuana.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)tomorrow she won't? She's already been pushed on this issue by Campaign Zero activists and this is her response
ceding control of the cannabis market to pharmaceuticals while allowing PoC to be thrown in jail.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)But since unequal punishments for blacks start in pre school, I find it suspect that folks care so much about us being punished for weed but never seem to care about any of that stuff.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)You are Hillary supporter to your core. When you were in diapers, I was being arrested for protesting that human and her racist policies which you now support.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was far less safe in my protest of racism than most whites since I was the one in danger and the one experiencing it.
I find it amusing to get race lectures from people who never experience racism. It is like they think their marching or protesting matters more than the day to day crap I go through and speak up on constantly. Like they feel blacker than me or in a position above me that they have no qualms over 'lecturing' black folks on race and civil rights and protesting. Sad, because it comes off as paternalistic and rude. Maybe a bit bigoted. Like they think that they as whites are better able to reason or that their white selfs protesting matters far more than the black selfs who protest just, because they are white. I think that's why some keep reminding blacks about Bernie marching for THEIR rights. See? He did not have to do you this wonderful favor you ungrateful blacks, is what I hear everytime. Many of us do. That is why Berniesoblack happened.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)the movement. At age 12 I was spat on pushed against the walls and lockers had bags of shit in my locker corn thrown at my house had n*****r lover painted in sliver paint in front of my house. I was chased down and beat down. My home was my sanctuary. My sister and I still talk, to this day, 45+ years later, the relief of walking into our front door.
Berniesoblack is one pile of steaming ignorance. Started by people who have not one bit of tiny clue as to how difficult it was for any white person to stand up for racial justice during the time that Bernie did. Saying this does not mitigate the far more dangerous position that black folks faced in their day to day life let alone those who took on an activist position.
See? Bernie did not have to advocate for anyone's rights. But he did.
And I am not going to let you take my experience away from me. And I won't let you minimize Bernie's experiences. Both of us are good people who have lived our lives fighting righteous fights.
Hillary? Never once ever.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)You are a mean person. It is rare that I exposed my isolation and pain as a youth and the abuse my family suffered.
This is my sister. She was beaten up for being black.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1056484
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)world. Who stood up for her and sometimes had the crap beat out of them for doing so.
My brother, when he was 9
the entire school bus was rocking back and forth with chants of "bawl baby baldie" when he was defending our sister from racist comments. I was 11 years old and met my brother's bus every day and when the kids came out of the door, I put my dukes up.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)After I got noosed by the white supremacists when I lived in Bakersfield, I decided I only have so much sympathy to go around. I give it to the victims. I have suffered too much racism to give credit and accolades and parades for those doing the right thing, the same as I always do, for strangers or family. I do not pile accolades and recognition and sypmathy for whites who witnessed or stopped the racial abuse against blacks. They get enough recognition and pats on the backs from other whites. And themselves.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Things I do on spec are magnificent acts of valor if they do it.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)White people like to pretend they were all doing it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Those blacks were the ones commiting the true acts of valor along with the whites who went down south to sign up voter, sit in, to protest in the heart of racism. To die on a back road of mississippi, at the hands of racist whites. Those who were kicked, beaten, hosed and abused. And continued the fight. They are my heros. Just marching in a parade or a freedom march does not qualify for me. True terror must have been experienced and the fight continued for it to be valorious in my mind. For blacks who fought, that terror did not leave when they decided to go away, back to white places, it was there, birth to death, but yet they fought. And the struggle continues.
It is not my place to placate or give continuous gratitude or assuage, or commend constantly while my struggle is everyday, and theirs only on the days of their choosing.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)about the dangerous and important work that people were doing and AT THE SAME TIME how dangerous it was for the people who lived there.
Much like the South African boycott. Safer for the west
. So much more dangerous for those who lived there but welcomed it any way.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)But they are not the ones who stand out for me. John Lewis got his head beat in. He is a Hero to me of the Civil Rights movement. He did work for years. Bernie is not on his level, so forgive me for not being super impressed. I know my history and there are many I place above him on the spectrum. Millions of blacks who suffered. They too are Heros to me. They survived the harshest conditions. He did not. Sorry.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)She never came close to participating in the greatest civil rights movement of our time.
Sorry.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)She was involved in issues during college when she was the roomate of Grant Hill's mother.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)In 1964, Bernie participated in Freedom Summer.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The way young women were required to be by their parents explains that and her subsequent feminism.
Bernie was a man. He could do what he wanted.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)was just a girl?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That's why we got feminism. Thank god for feminism. And womanism. And Alice Walker. And so many others. If she can break that glass ceiling for women, that is something I will always be thankful for. That barrier needs to be gone and she is my best chance. We smashed the black barrier to the whitehouse and we will kick down the gender barrier too.
Btw, lol, I hope your cats are okay.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)issues. I will never forgive or forget both Clintons for welfare "reform". I cry to this day of what tragedy they imposed on the least amongst us. Grueling starvation
no housing
no healthcare.
Yeah. Hillary is all for upper class white feminism. YEE HAW!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hence his lack of support from the black community. I think some hate hillary so much that they will attack black folks WITH RACE ISSUES and not see how bad it makes them look, and him by extension.
Nobody cares how to get blacks on board. They just feel like he deserves their support for things done in the past or because of things Bill did that she supported. They do not even think about the time she put in over the years in building a relationship with the black community. The years put in. The meetings attended. Funerals. Weddings. Churches. Babies kissed. Etc. They do not think about any of that. They Want to control the black vote through ridicule or threats of bad times to come through the Clintons. Through spamming with photos of their guy with Dr King, a nasty and insidious form of pandering that we instantly see fir what it is, no matter how intended.
They do not see that we would rather have a good relationship with a president rather than more welfare and being completely ignored on everything else. They see only what they want and refuse to listen to us at all. They just tell us what is best for us. Then get mad if we do not agree and attack us with Bills bad deeds.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Bill's welfare reform and calls those on welfare "dead beats". And hate to tell you, Bill and Hillary's welfare reform has killed black, brown, and white babies.
Just flat out cruel for the least amongst us.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cause all blacks are on welfare and none care about building relationships!!!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Block grants. Look it up. All across this USA us welfare advocates knew that red states would use block grants to punish black women. And they did.
Honestly
while I am writing this, I am crying. There are so many children going to bed hungry.. it just hurts. Hillary touts how fewer are on welfare but they are not fewer because of need, They are fewer because of access.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I know! You do know I actually ATE government cheese, right? Not just talked about it. Used food stamps when they were still paper. Brown were ones, orange fives, green tens and blues twentys. We got those cans of afdc food from the food banks. I know I know I know!!! Welfare did not prevent that at all. We need better pay. Equal pay. Welfare even then was not enough to survive on. It was never enough. Welfare did not save my family. A GOVERNMENT job under Bill Clinton's admin got us out of poverty and up off the floor. I slept on a towel on the floor with a blanket we stole from a motel. I know. I know. And beating me up with MY OWN DAMN LIFE is the problem. He will not get more black support like this. We KNOW.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)My family got to go from the nasty rat infested place on Adams above the tireshop to an apartment in the valley with a POOL. By the time Bill's term ended we lived in a house in Oceanview, up here in Anchorage. Look up oceanview. Nice area of town. Went to Service High School until 11 grade. It's on Hillside, check out Hillside. It's the rich area. That happened for MANY of us. We subsidized our poorer relatives. We got lucky as hell.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)That is the difference between bernie and hillary. Bernie is all about us.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That poster just wants to drag everyone down to her level.
Save your posts for those who actually listen and give a damn about other people.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And I do not follow you around but I see you following me. Do you have something you'd like to say to me, or am I allowed to converse with other duers without your presense in the future telling them not to talk to me? I am feeling oppressed by your following me around.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Who has about enough sense of racial understanding as Homer Simpson.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)That kind of ignorance and bigotry is why I left Delaware. My 25 year old daughter wouldn't even understand that "joke" because she has never been exposed to that kind of bigotry.
Carry on.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Lancero
(3,276 posts)On Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:50 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Don't waste your time, LA.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=780287
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"Drag everyone down to her level" and saying she does not "give a damn about people" are personal attacks and unnecessary. Bravenak is one of the most interesting posters here and has gone out of her way to give people the benefit of the doubt only to be rewarded with attacks and insults. Please hide this.
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The swarm is out tonight!
840high
(17,196 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't care for those who denigrate others for trying to make a difference.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)conversation. I should be able to do so without you telling people not to speak to me.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I have. It is scary.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)for matching the description of a six foot tall black male. I am a five foot tall female. He DID say he'd blow my head off if I moved. I think I have a bit more experience with this than he does. As far as nearly being killed for my color.
So lets see, both arrested, but only one of us nearly got our head blown off. Him getting himself arrested is very nice for him.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)One for Bernie, one For Hillary.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Hence all the commitments to "research" and "study" instead of commitments to do _______.
You can put off "research" for a long time. And then aw shucks, the research shows we should keep the status quo.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Support a Revolution...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)......?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The participants are nasty towards myself.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)the merits of why it is needed and stop just following the same old fools who have created the awesome mess we are in, you would change your mind.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am not INTERESTED in this MONOCHROMATIC revolution.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)What the hell is that, are you suggesting racism? Because if your talking about issues than it certainly is Hillary who is in the process and various stages of her evolution on many issues...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I was juror #7
On Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:48 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Maybe if they learned how to be intersectional, they'd get more takers.
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The use of Monochromatic specifically at Senator Sanders suggesting racism.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)You think Monsanto is bad now...
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Just like people can make their own beer. Or a small craft company can enter the market. Leaving it to research results in medical use only. Leaving it up to the states means Colorado.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If you grow it in your home, then your house can be taken by civil forfeiture if you get caught.
You should listen to Janeyvee and understand her important reasons why you should lose your house to stop Monsanto from growing weed.
Hillary hates Monsanto, and Janeyvee would rather fill the jails than see Monsanto plant one more seed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:32 PM - Edit history (1)
What site am I on again?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Wake up.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)
What is wrong with people?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)She is pretty much worthless. on this issue.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Legalization would mean federal control or corporate control. Most likely a combination both.
And I am a mj user myself. When was the last time you bought non corporate alcohol? You don't think Monsanto will corner the market on seed production?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Looks like another case of I've got mine, to hell with everyone else.
Today, I love craft beer. I'm also looking forward to opening a bottle of homemade wine a co-worker gave me on Thanksgiving.
Of course not, you'd have to be an idiot to think that people wouldn't be able to grow their own weed.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Hillary will fill the prisons to stop Monsanto from growing weed.
Sacrifices must be made.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)just to see your post excusing and/or justifying it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I'm sure she would have good valid reasons. Kittens are becoming too numerous and they are eating food intended for seniors.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And, quite oddly, Janeyvee contends that restricting the marijuana to the pharma industry is a preferable outcome to, uh, restricting it to a big ag company.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Really
Let's keep throwing people in jail for weed because... Monsanto.
Good golly.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Once again congratulations are in order.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:55 AM - Edit history (2)
series?
Content doesn't matter for your metrics, just quantity?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Having tried marijuana, he should never have had an opportunity to become president and his life should have been ruined.
Is that what you believe?
fredamae
(4,458 posts)completely off the Fed CSA...Allow States to decide. It's the correct thing to do.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)Hillary "evolves".
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Further research helps no human being arrested 20 years ago or arrested tomorrow.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You just cannot believe anything she says. Like Bernie said you gotta walk the walk not just talk the talk. She is saying cannabis is a gateway drug and research needs to be done to see if it has medical value. WHAT!?!?! Sorry Hillary but research has been done in Europe and Israel and its overwhelming. This is about getting BigPharma to control your choices. Schedule 2??? So what...cocaine is schedule. I see no difference between Jeb Bush and Hillary at this point. Let that sink in a bit because millions of democrats feel just like I do and its not our fault Clintonites live in a bubble.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)She is always late and always short.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)zappaman
(20,627 posts)Seems very authoritarian.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Clinton's position on marijuana is not nearly as strong as Sanders'. Yes, it's a good position, but not anything more dramatic than how things are going anyway. If Sanders supporters say that Clinton took his position it makes it seem like Clinton's position is stronger.
It's easy to point to Clinton changing on a given issue and claim Sanders had it first. But only if they're the same position.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Seems very authoritarian.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Seems very psycopathic.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Do you have permission to use the vermin news network image?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)LOL XD

betsuni
(29,078 posts)I hadn't heard about anyone's stance on cannibals yet and was curious. Oh. Never mind.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)joshcryer
(62,536 posts)That would happen regardless. The states are legalizing like crazy. There will be some 11+ states with it on the ballot in 2016. The Democrats will be sending enthusiastic delegates to the DNC to vote on putting marijuana in the platform.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)And this, rather than eye bugging, is a huge tell about the nature of Clinton.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
glinda
(14,807 posts)standstill in MN. because Pig Pharma is fighting with all of their bought off people. And people are suffering.
azmom
(5,208 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Of course she's slowly testing the water to see how far she can "evolve" on this issue and make promises that she won't keep.
PatrickforO
(15,425 posts)everyone who is in jail now on marijuana charges freed at once.
That said, getting it off Schedule 1 is a great first step.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)so instead of admitting that war on drugs has been a failure , she wants to downgrade to a research level while The Fed still has a ban and people will still go to jail
So how does she plan to end mass incarceration if people are still going to jail over non violent crimes like somking so,e weed or having some weed on them
Her plan put more black and brown ppl in cages