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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:02 PM Nov 2015

Bernie supporters. Please stop promoting that Hillary is loosening her stance on cannabis.

Her stance is still CRIMINALIZATION. Bernie's is not. She wants to downgrade it to research level. Which means nothing to the disproportionate numbers of black and brown folks who are arrested and incarcerated for use.

Bernie wants to remove it altogether from the Federal registry of drugs.

Bernie's proposal is a huge step forward for human beings.

Hillary's proposal is a step for pharmaceuticals who want to control the distribution and use of marijuana.

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Bernie supporters. Please stop promoting that Hillary is loosening her stance on cannabis. (Original Post) Luminous Animal Nov 2015 OP
She will evolve on this issue through pressure from her grassroots. bravenak Nov 2015 #1
So, today she is still advocating for disproportionate incarceration of PoC but Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #3
This is my main issue with her. bravenak Nov 2015 #7
Really. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #22
I mentioned it during the last debate. Not her. I was suspended. bravenak Nov 2015 #26
I find it suspect that you assume what people care about. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #27
I have been experiencing racism since I was in diapers. And PROTESTING THAT!! bravenak Nov 2015 #29
Indeed. Sick and tired of hearing how immaterial it was for white people to join Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #33
Some people want so much recognition. bravenak Nov 2015 #34
What a shit response to a very painful experience. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #36
I was beaten up many times for being black. I have sympathy for HER. bravenak Nov 2015 #37
I'll let her know that you dismiss the people that she loves most in the entire Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #39
Let her know my sympathy for racist things always goes to the victim. bravenak Nov 2015 #40
You must live amongst a pile of assholes if all they are looking for is a pat on the back. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #41
They want recognition so bad that it grates on my nerves. bravenak Nov 2015 #42
What Bernie was doing as a youth was a magnificent act of valor. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #43
Is was not to me an act of valor. Even if it was to you. bravenak Nov 2015 #44
Bernie went down south to sign up voters. He participated in the 1964 Freedom Summer. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #45
How many beatings? bravenak Nov 2015 #46
You have no clue, Fortunately, at the age of 7, I had parents that instructed me Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #51
Thank you. Just like civil rights work was SAFER for whites. bravenak Nov 2015 #52
Of course. But that does not mean it was safe. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #54
And my gratitude goes to those who suffered most. The others were there. They helped. bravenak Nov 2015 #57
Of course Bernie is not on his level. But Hillary is like 5 steps down. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #63
I believe he is a bit older that her and it was the right time. bravenak Nov 2015 #66
She interned for Gerald Ford and worked the 1968 convention for Rockefeller. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #69
That interning does not matter to me. Nor does the Rockefeller thing. bravenak Nov 2015 #71
I laughed so loud the cats got excited. You are really going with the argument that she Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #73
Being a girl was way harder then. bravenak Nov 2015 #74
I'm 58 years old. I've lived my life as a fierce feminist mostly around poverty Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #75
And Bernie completely ignores what is going on in his base. bravenak Nov 2015 #76
Okey-doke. Kissing a black baby trumps killing a black baby. Cuz Hillary loves Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #77
So, lets ignore the building of relationships to focus on welfare. bravenak Nov 2015 #78
Um. No. But how the reform was structured would harm black families the most Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #79
I know this!!! My family was affected! bravenak Nov 2015 #80
Funny that. Hillary never talks about a government job. Bernie do, Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #81
Many blacks got good Jobs under Bill. We remember. bravenak Nov 2015 #82
Yeah. YOU got lucky as hell. 60% black unemployment in Baltimore. Subsidize that. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #84
Was that under Bill or after the crash? bravenak Nov 2015 #85
Baltimore, Philly, DC… There is not one Democrat that has given a flying fuck. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #86
Detroit. Nobody ever cares about black areas. They live in white areas. bravenak Nov 2015 #87
Don't waste your time, LA. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #47
I bring folks up to my level of racial understanding. bravenak Nov 2015 #49
No you don't. You advocate for Hillary Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #88
My end goal is to work on her too. bravenak Nov 2015 #89
You will never find anything from Bernie as ignorant and bigoted as that. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #90
Bernie would not notice me speaking for about 40 years. bravenak Nov 2015 #91
While Hillary would be working overtime to put you in prison Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #92
I can avoid prison. Never have been there yet. bravenak Nov 2015 #93
Jury results, 3-4 leave Lancero Nov 2015 #55
Thanks! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #56
Juror #3 got it so right. 840high Nov 2015 #61
I like Bravenak. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #58
I respect people who have a history of activism. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #60
I do not think following me and insulting me is the best face to put forward. I was having a bravenak Nov 2015 #67
He was arrested over segregation in Chicago. Have you been arrested for civil disobedience? Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #48
I have been arrested for being black. No charges. Had a gun put to my head by the police for bravenak Nov 2015 #50
I asked you if you have ever been arrested for political activism. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #53
Living black is political activism. bravenak Nov 2015 #59
When did Hillary ever put her liberty on the line for that sentiment. Bernie did. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #64
She made a big risk in her China speech for women. Pissed off all the right people. bravenak Nov 2015 #65
Nixon went to China. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #70
But when she went she was BOSS. bravenak Nov 2015 #72
+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #110
Only while she needs them. jeff47 Nov 2015 #14
Meh. bravenak Nov 2015 #15
Exactly. 840high Nov 2015 #62
Why wait for Evolution humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #115
No. bravenak Nov 2015 #116
Because, you feel humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #117
The revolution is stupid. bravenak Nov 2015 #118
Maybe if you would rethink humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #119
Maybe if they learned how to be intersectional, they'd get more takers. bravenak Nov 2015 #120
Monochromatic revolution humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #121
I have already discussed the demographics of his crowds. bravenak Nov 2015 #126
And of course you were alerted. Results to follow when they are in... nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #123
Jury Results: 6-1 to keep... stevenleser Nov 2015 #124
Jesus. bravenak Nov 2015 #125
Actually, legalizing would pave the way for the ultimate corporate power grab. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #2
Legalizing it means I can grow a plant or six in my sunny front room. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #4
You are SO RIGHT. It is a massive difference. Night and day actually. nt Bonobo Nov 2015 #10
No. Janeyvee thinks you should lose your house jberryhill Nov 2015 #98
So you're pro-criminalization??? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #12
Cocaine Is Schedule 2!!!!! billhicks76 Nov 2015 #19
You need to wake up if you think any criminalization of marijuana is acceptable. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #24
Hillary's Too Little Too Late Still Criminalizes It billhicks76 Nov 2015 #129
Nope. I'm for decriminalization. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #111
So you use weed yourself but you're defending Hillary's position? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #113
Oh god. Oh god. WTF? nt Bonobo Nov 2015 #13
It's a bold stand against Monsanto jberryhill Nov 2015 #99
You know, i really want Clinton to come out in favor of slaughtering kittens jeff47 Nov 2015 #16
Me too. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #96
It's like you're speaking English. The words are right, but the meaning is lost... Scootaloo Nov 2015 #23
What she is saying is that it should be legal for pharma companies jberryhill Nov 2015 #105
That's pathetic jberryhill Nov 2015 #97
That is the most ridiculous response so far. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #102
When was the last time you bought non corporate alcohol? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #109
so wait, so clinton is against free enterprise? Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #122
Bill Clinton should have been arrested and imprisoned jberryhill Nov 2015 #104
De-Schedule Cannabis fredamae Nov 2015 #5
Yet again Bernie is on the correct side while.. WDIM Nov 2015 #6
She not evolving on anything. She is still marching to corporate cadence. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #9
Well done, LA. Thank you for this OP. nt Bonobo Nov 2015 #8
You are welcome! Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #11
K&R n/t jtuck004 Nov 2015 #17
She's A Pandering LIAR billhicks76 Nov 2015 #18
Along with free Community Colleges not 4 year colleges. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #20
+1 Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #21
Message from Bernie Catherina Nov 2015 #25
Thank you Bernie! passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #31
Nailed it. aidbo Nov 2015 #32
Excellent! Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #83
Why are you telling DUers what to do? zappaman Nov 2015 #28
I did say please. That makes a request, not a directive. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #30
OP is asking for Sanders supporters to not parrot a shit meme. joshcryer Nov 2015 #95
Why are you interrogating du'ers? Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #103
Why are you smashing a representation of another DUer in your sig? cui bono Nov 2015 #108
Where did you get your graphic in your sig line? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #114
THIS! pinebox Nov 2015 #35
Did anyone else think this was about Hillary's stance on cannibals? betsuni Nov 2015 #38
You don't want to be around when they get the munchies! dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #68
Yeah, her position is simply a safe policy trajectory. joshcryer Nov 2015 #94
Yup. Typical pandering without substance. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #100
Yes - The Flip Flopper In Chief - Has - Flopper Flipped - Yet Again cantbeserious Nov 2015 #101
The state of dispensing medical cannibus use is pretty much at near a total glinda Nov 2015 #106
K&R azmom Nov 2015 #107
I was wondering how long it would take her to "evolve" on that too. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #112
Well pot should be legalized immediately, and PatrickforO Nov 2015 #127
Drug warrior Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #128

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
3. So, today she is still advocating for disproportionate incarceration of PoC but
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:08 PM
Nov 2015

tomorrow she won't? She's already been pushed on this issue by Campaign Zero activists and this is her response… ceding control of the cannabis market to pharmaceuticals while allowing PoC to be thrown in jail.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. I mentioned it during the last debate. Not her. I was suspended.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:00 PM
Nov 2015

But since unequal punishments for blacks start in pre school, I find it suspect that folks care so much about us being punished for weed but never seem to care about any of that stuff.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
27. I find it suspect that you assume what people care about.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:35 PM
Nov 2015

You are Hillary supporter to your core. When you were in diapers, I was being arrested for protesting that human and her racist policies which you now support.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
29. I have been experiencing racism since I was in diapers. And PROTESTING THAT!!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:41 PM
Nov 2015

I was far less safe in my protest of racism than most whites since I was the one in danger and the one experiencing it.
I find it amusing to get race lectures from people who never experience racism. It is like they think their marching or protesting matters more than the day to day crap I go through and speak up on constantly. Like they feel blacker than me or in a position above me that they have no qualms over 'lecturing' black folks on race and civil rights and protesting. Sad, because it comes off as paternalistic and rude. Maybe a bit bigoted. Like they think that they as whites are better able to reason or that their white selfs protesting matters far more than the black selfs who protest just, because they are white. I think that's why some keep reminding blacks about Bernie marching for THEIR rights. See? He did not have to do you this wonderful favor you ungrateful blacks, is what I hear everytime. Many of us do. That is why Berniesoblack happened.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
33. Indeed. Sick and tired of hearing how immaterial it was for white people to join
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:14 AM
Nov 2015

the movement. At age 12 I was spat on pushed against the walls and lockers had bags of shit in my locker corn thrown at my house had n*****r lover painted in sliver paint in front of my house. I was chased down and beat down. My home was my sanctuary. My sister and I still talk, to this day, 45+ years later, the relief of walking into our front door.

Berniesoblack is one pile of steaming ignorance. Started by people who have not one bit of tiny clue as to how difficult it was for any white person to stand up for racial justice during the time that Bernie did. Saying this does not mitigate the far more dangerous position that black folks faced in their day to day life let alone those who took on an activist position.

See? Bernie did not have to advocate for anyone's rights. But he did.

And I am not going to let you take my experience away from me. And I won't let you minimize Bernie's experiences. Both of us are good people who have lived our lives fighting righteous fights.

Hillary? Never once ever.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
36. What a shit response to a very painful experience.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:44 AM
Nov 2015

You are a mean person. It is rare that I exposed my isolation and pain as a youth and the abuse my family suffered.

This is my sister. She was beaten up for being black.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1056484

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
39. I'll let her know that you dismiss the people that she loves most in the entire
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:16 AM
Nov 2015

world. Who stood up for her and sometimes had the crap beat out of them for doing so.

My brother, when he was 9… the entire school bus was rocking back and forth with chants of "bawl baby baldie" when he was defending our sister from racist comments. I was 11 years old and met my brother's bus every day and when the kids came out of the door, I put my dukes up.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
40. Let her know my sympathy for racist things always goes to the victim.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:20 AM
Nov 2015

After I got noosed by the white supremacists when I lived in Bakersfield, I decided I only have so much sympathy to go around. I give it to the victims. I have suffered too much racism to give credit and accolades and parades for those doing the right thing, the same as I always do, for strangers or family. I do not pile accolades and recognition and sypmathy for whites who witnessed or stopped the racial abuse against blacks. They get enough recognition and pats on the backs from other whites. And themselves.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
42. They want recognition so bad that it grates on my nerves.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:59 AM
Nov 2015

Things I do on spec are magnificent acts of valor if they do it.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
43. What Bernie was doing as a youth was a magnificent act of valor.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:24 AM
Nov 2015

White people like to pretend they were all doing it.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
44. Is was not to me an act of valor. Even if it was to you.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:31 AM
Nov 2015

Those blacks were the ones commiting the true acts of valor along with the whites who went down south to sign up voter, sit in, to protest in the heart of racism. To die on a back road of mississippi, at the hands of racist whites. Those who were kicked, beaten, hosed and abused. And continued the fight. They are my heros. Just marching in a parade or a freedom march does not qualify for me. True terror must have been experienced and the fight continued for it to be valorious in my mind. For blacks who fought, that terror did not leave when they decided to go away, back to white places, it was there, birth to death, but yet they fought. And the struggle continues.

It is not my place to placate or give continuous gratitude or assuage, or commend constantly while my struggle is everyday, and theirs only on the days of their choosing.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
51. You have no clue, Fortunately, at the age of 7, I had parents that instructed me
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:53 AM
Nov 2015

about the dangerous and important work that people were doing and AT THE SAME TIME how dangerous it was for the people who lived there.

Much like the South African boycott. Safer for the west…. So much more dangerous for those who lived there but welcomed it any way.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
57. And my gratitude goes to those who suffered most. The others were there. They helped.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:05 AM
Nov 2015

But they are not the ones who stand out for me. John Lewis got his head beat in. He is a Hero to me of the Civil Rights movement. He did work for years. Bernie is not on his level, so forgive me for not being super impressed. I know my history and there are many I place above him on the spectrum. Millions of blacks who suffered. They too are Heros to me. They survived the harshest conditions. He did not. Sorry.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
63. Of course Bernie is not on his level. But Hillary is like 5 steps down.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:16 AM
Nov 2015

She never came close to participating in the greatest civil rights movement of our time.

Sorry.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
66. I believe he is a bit older that her and it was the right time.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:24 AM
Nov 2015

She was involved in issues during college when she was the roomate of Grant Hill's mother.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
69. She interned for Gerald Ford and worked the 1968 convention for Rockefeller.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:37 AM
Nov 2015

In 1964, Bernie participated in Freedom Summer.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
71. That interning does not matter to me. Nor does the Rockefeller thing.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:41 AM
Nov 2015

The way young women were required to be by their parents explains that and her subsequent feminism.
Bernie was a man. He could do what he wanted.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
73. I laughed so loud the cats got excited. You are really going with the argument that she
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:57 AM
Nov 2015

was just a girl?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
74. Being a girl was way harder then.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:59 AM
Nov 2015

That's why we got feminism. Thank god for feminism. And womanism. And Alice Walker. And so many others. If she can break that glass ceiling for women, that is something I will always be thankful for. That barrier needs to be gone and she is my best chance. We smashed the black barrier to the whitehouse and we will kick down the gender barrier too.
Btw, lol, I hope your cats are okay.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
75. I'm 58 years old. I've lived my life as a fierce feminist mostly around poverty
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:14 AM
Nov 2015

issues. I will never forgive or forget both Clintons for welfare "reform". I cry to this day of what tragedy they imposed on the least amongst us. Grueling starvation… no housing… no healthcare.

Yeah. Hillary is all for upper class white feminism. YEE HAW!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
76. And Bernie completely ignores what is going on in his base.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:25 AM
Nov 2015

Hence his lack of support from the black community. I think some hate hillary so much that they will attack black folks WITH RACE ISSUES and not see how bad it makes them look, and him by extension.
Nobody cares how to get blacks on board. They just feel like he deserves their support for things done in the past or because of things Bill did that she supported. They do not even think about the time she put in over the years in building a relationship with the black community. The years put in. The meetings attended. Funerals. Weddings. Churches. Babies kissed. Etc. They do not think about any of that. They Want to control the black vote through ridicule or threats of bad times to come through the Clintons. Through spamming with photos of their guy with Dr King, a nasty and insidious form of pandering that we instantly see fir what it is, no matter how intended.

They do not see that we would rather have a good relationship with a president rather than more welfare and being completely ignored on everything else. They see only what they want and refuse to listen to us at all. They just tell us what is best for us. Then get mad if we do not agree and attack us with Bills bad deeds.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
77. Okey-doke. Kissing a black baby trumps killing a black baby. Cuz Hillary loves
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:45 AM
Nov 2015

Bill's welfare reform and calls those on welfare "dead beats". And hate to tell you, Bill and Hillary's welfare reform has killed black, brown, and white babies.

Just flat out cruel for the least amongst us.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
78. So, lets ignore the building of relationships to focus on welfare.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:48 AM
Nov 2015

Cause all blacks are on welfare and none care about building relationships!!!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
79. Um. No. But how the reform was structured would harm black families the most
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:05 AM
Nov 2015

Block grants. Look it up. All across this USA us welfare advocates knew that red states would use block grants to punish black women. And they did.

Honestly… while I am writing this, I am crying. There are so many children going to bed hungry.. it just hurts. Hillary touts how fewer are on welfare but they are not fewer because of need, They are fewer because of access.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
80. I know this!!! My family was affected!
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:10 AM
Nov 2015

I know! You do know I actually ATE government cheese, right? Not just talked about it. Used food stamps when they were still paper. Brown were ones, orange fives, green tens and blues twentys. We got those cans of afdc food from the food banks. I know I know I know!!! Welfare did not prevent that at all. We need better pay. Equal pay. Welfare even then was not enough to survive on. It was never enough. Welfare did not save my family. A GOVERNMENT job under Bill Clinton's admin got us out of poverty and up off the floor. I slept on a towel on the floor with a blanket we stole from a motel. I know. I know. And beating me up with MY OWN DAMN LIFE is the problem. He will not get more black support like this. We KNOW.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
82. Many blacks got good Jobs under Bill. We remember.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:28 AM
Nov 2015

My family got to go from the nasty rat infested place on Adams above the tireshop to an apartment in the valley with a POOL. By the time Bill's term ended we lived in a house in Oceanview, up here in Anchorage. Look up oceanview. Nice area of town. Went to Service High School until 11 grade. It's on Hillside, check out Hillside. It's the rich area. That happened for MANY of us. We subsidized our poorer relatives. We got lucky as hell.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
84. Yeah. YOU got lucky as hell. 60% black unemployment in Baltimore. Subsidize that.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:38 AM
Nov 2015

That is the difference between bernie and hillary. Bernie is all about us.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
47. Don't waste your time, LA.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:38 AM
Nov 2015

That poster just wants to drag everyone down to her level.

Save your posts for those who actually listen and give a damn about other people.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
49. I bring folks up to my level of racial understanding.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:43 AM
Nov 2015

And I do not follow you around but I see you following me. Do you have something you'd like to say to me, or am I allowed to converse with other duers without your presense in the future telling them not to talk to me? I am feeling oppressed by your following me around.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
88. No you don't. You advocate for Hillary
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:57 AM
Nov 2015

Who has about enough sense of racial understanding as Homer Simpson.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
90. You will never find anything from Bernie as ignorant and bigoted as that.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:10 AM
Nov 2015

That kind of ignorance and bigotry is why I left Delaware. My 25 year old daughter wouldn't even understand that "joke" because she has never been exposed to that kind of bigotry.

Carry on.

Lancero

(3,276 posts)
55. Jury results, 3-4 leave
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:01 AM
Nov 2015

On Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:50 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Don't waste your time, LA.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=780287

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Drag everyone down to her level" and saying she does not "give a damn about people" are personal attacks and unnecessary. Bravenak is one of the most interesting posters here and has gone out of her way to give people the benefit of the doubt only to be rewarded with attacks and insults. Please hide this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:00 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not guilty.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Seriously. I have yet to see this poster contribute anything that didn't directly or indirectly insult of another DU member.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bravenak wants to try turning Bernie's history in fighting for Civil rights into a suffering contest (Above post when she asks how many times he was beaten - alluded to physically - during his efforts), so while BMUS could have worded this post a bit less harshly, I'm not going to vote hide when she is speaking truth.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I do not know who the 'her' person is. However, I vote to hide the post, it is disruptive.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This was a childish, unnecessary insult.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have one word for the person making the alert: Really?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
60. I respect people who have a history of activism.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:10 AM
Nov 2015

I don't care for those who denigrate others for trying to make a difference.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
67. I do not think following me and insulting me is the best face to put forward. I was having a
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:26 AM
Nov 2015

conversation. I should be able to do so without you telling people not to speak to me.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
48. He was arrested over segregation in Chicago. Have you been arrested for civil disobedience?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:43 AM
Nov 2015

I have. It is scary.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
50. I have been arrested for being black. No charges. Had a gun put to my head by the police for
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:46 AM
Nov 2015

for matching the description of a six foot tall black male. I am a five foot tall female. He DID say he'd blow my head off if I moved. I think I have a bit more experience with this than he does. As far as nearly being killed for my color.

So lets see, both arrested, but only one of us nearly got our head blown off. Him getting himself arrested is very nice for him.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
65. She made a big risk in her China speech for women. Pissed off all the right people.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:23 AM
Nov 2015

One for Bernie, one For Hillary.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
14. Only while she needs them.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:43 PM
Nov 2015

Hence all the commitments to "research" and "study" instead of commitments to do _______.

You can put off "research" for a long time. And then aw shucks, the research shows we should keep the status quo.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
119. Maybe if you would rethink
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:15 PM
Nov 2015

the merits of why it is needed and stop just following the same old fools who have created the awesome mess we are in, you would change your mind.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
120. Maybe if they learned how to be intersectional, they'd get more takers.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:17 PM
Nov 2015

I am not INTERESTED in this MONOCHROMATIC revolution.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
121. Monochromatic revolution
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:31 PM
Nov 2015

What the hell is that, are you suggesting racism? Because if your talking about issues than it certainly is Hillary who is in the process and various stages of her evolution on many issues...

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
124. Jury Results: 6-1 to keep...
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:56 PM
Nov 2015

I was juror #7

On Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:48 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Maybe if they learned how to be intersectional, they'd get more takers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=783732

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The use of Monochromatic specifically at Senator Sanders suggesting racism.

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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Actually, legalizing would pave the way for the ultimate corporate power grab.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:04 PM
Nov 2015

You think Monsanto is bad now...

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
4. Legalizing it means I can grow a plant or six in my sunny front room.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:11 PM
Nov 2015

Just like people can make their own beer. Or a small craft company can enter the market. Leaving it to research results in medical use only. Leaving it up to the states means Colorado.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
98. No. Janeyvee thinks you should lose your house
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:42 AM
Nov 2015

If you grow it in your home, then your house can be taken by civil forfeiture if you get caught.

You should listen to Janeyvee and understand her important reasons why you should lose your house to stop Monsanto from growing weed.

Hillary hates Monsanto, and Janeyvee would rather fill the jails than see Monsanto plant one more seed.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
24. You need to wake up if you think any criminalization of marijuana is acceptable.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:44 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)

What is wrong with people?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
129. Hillary's Too Little Too Late Still Criminalizes It
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:53 PM
Nov 2015

She is pretty much worthless. on this issue.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
111. Nope. I'm for decriminalization.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:39 PM
Nov 2015

Legalization would mean federal control or corporate control. Most likely a combination both.

And I am a mj user myself. When was the last time you bought non corporate alcohol? You don't think Monsanto will corner the market on seed production?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
113. So you use weed yourself but you're defending Hillary's position?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:44 PM
Nov 2015

Looks like another case of I've got mine, to hell with everyone else.



When was the last time you bought non corporate alcohol?


Today, I love craft beer. I'm also looking forward to opening a bottle of homemade wine a co-worker gave me on Thanksgiving.




You don't think Monsanto will corner the market on seed production?


Of course not, you'd have to be an idiot to think that people wouldn't be able to grow their own weed.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
99. It's a bold stand against Monsanto
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

Hillary will fill the prisons to stop Monsanto from growing weed.

Sacrifices must be made.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. You know, i really want Clinton to come out in favor of slaughtering kittens
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Nov 2015

just to see your post excusing and/or justifying it.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
96. Me too.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

I'm sure she would have good valid reasons. Kittens are becoming too numerous and they are eating food intended for seniors.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
105. What she is saying is that it should be legal for pharma companies
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:55 PM
Nov 2015

And, quite oddly, Janeyvee contends that restricting the marijuana to the pharma industry is a preferable outcome to, uh, restricting it to a big ag company.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
97. That's pathetic
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:20 AM
Nov 2015

Really

Let's keep throwing people in jail for weed because... Monsanto.

Good golly.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
122. so wait, so clinton is against free enterprise?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:33 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:55 AM - Edit history (2)

series?

Content doesn't matter for your metrics, just quantity?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
104. Bill Clinton should have been arrested and imprisoned
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:40 AM
Nov 2015

Having tried marijuana, he should never have had an opportunity to become president and his life should have been ruined.

Is that what you believe?

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
5. De-Schedule Cannabis
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:12 PM
Nov 2015

completely off the Fed CSA...Allow States to decide. It's the correct thing to do.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. She not evolving on anything. She is still marching to corporate cadence.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:14 PM
Nov 2015

Further research helps no human being arrested 20 years ago or arrested tomorrow.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
18. She's A Pandering LIAR
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:31 PM
Nov 2015

You just cannot believe anything she says. Like Bernie said you gotta walk the walk not just talk the talk. She is saying cannabis is a gateway drug and research needs to be done to see if it has medical value. WHAT!?!?! Sorry Hillary but research has been done in Europe and Israel and its overwhelming. This is about getting BigPharma to control your choices. Schedule 2??? So what...cocaine is schedule. I see no difference between Jeb Bush and Hillary at this point. Let that sink in a bit because millions of democrats feel just like I do and its not our fault Clintonites live in a bubble.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
95. OP is asking for Sanders supporters to not parrot a shit meme.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:20 AM
Nov 2015

Clinton's position on marijuana is not nearly as strong as Sanders'. Yes, it's a good position, but not anything more dramatic than how things are going anyway. If Sanders supporters say that Clinton took his position it makes it seem like Clinton's position is stronger.

It's easy to point to Clinton changing on a given issue and claim Sanders had it first. But only if they're the same position.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
108. Why are you smashing a representation of another DUer in your sig?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

Seems very psycopathic.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
114. Where did you get your graphic in your sig line?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:46 PM
Nov 2015

Do you have permission to use the vermin news network image?

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
38. Did anyone else think this was about Hillary's stance on cannibals?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:08 AM
Nov 2015

I hadn't heard about anyone's stance on cannibals yet and was curious. Oh. Never mind.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
94. Yeah, her position is simply a safe policy trajectory.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:13 AM
Nov 2015

That would happen regardless. The states are legalizing like crazy. There will be some 11+ states with it on the ballot in 2016. The Democrats will be sending enthusiastic delegates to the DNC to vote on putting marijuana in the platform.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
100. Yup. Typical pandering without substance.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:53 AM
Nov 2015

And this, rather than eye bugging, is a huge tell about the nature of Clinton.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
106. The state of dispensing medical cannibus use is pretty much at near a total
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

standstill in MN. because Pig Pharma is fighting with all of their bought off people. And people are suffering.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
112. I was wondering how long it would take her to "evolve" on that too.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:41 PM
Nov 2015

Of course she's slowly testing the water to see how far she can "evolve" on this issue and make promises that she won't keep.

PatrickforO

(15,425 posts)
127. Well pot should be legalized immediately, and
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:40 AM
Nov 2015

everyone who is in jail now on marijuana charges freed at once.

That said, getting it off Schedule 1 is a great first step.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
128. Drug warrior
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

so instead of admitting that war on drugs has been a failure , she wants to downgrade to a research level while The Fed still has a ban and people will still go to jail

So how does she plan to end mass incarceration if people are still going to jail over non violent crimes like somking so,e weed or having some weed on them

Her plan put more black and brown ppl in cages

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