A New MSNBC Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Isn’t So Popular- And This Is Why (Video)

[Catherina]

A New MSNBC Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Isn’t So Popular- And This Is Why (Video)

November 7, 2015



An independent poll created on MSNBC’s website, showed that Hillary Clinton may not have the support of voters that she will need to beat Bernie Sanders.

Dan Berger created a user poll that asked “Do you plan on voting for Hillary Clinton for president in 2016?”

So far 123,000 people have cast their votes, and it’s looking pretty grim for Hillary.

Of the 123,000, only 16,000 have said they do plan to vote for Hillary in 2016, and about 3,000 said they were still undecided.

An overwhelming amount of the people polled, 104,000 to be exact, said they were not voting for Hillary.

Can you really blame them though?

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http://aattp.org/a-new-msnbc-poll-shows-hillary-clinton-isnt-so-popular-and-this-is-why-video/

Direct link to the poll: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-hillary-2016#56789

[leveymg]

1. She makes a lot of mistakes. Past a point, mistakes become lies. Hillary lies a lot, which explains

why most voters find her to be untrustworthy. If she runs, she will probably be beaten in the GE. And, that is why she's the wrong candidate for the Democratic Nomination.

[Catherina]

3. She'll get smashed in the GE.

Besides all her ahem mistakes and pretending for a flipping moment that I agreed with her on the issues, I have no intention of voting in someone who's going to need constant defending. Been there, done that from 1993-2001, especially in 1998, and never doing it again.

[MissDeeds]

12. +1

[onenote]

16. So instead you'll help elect someone who will tell you the truth

when they appoint a couple more junior Scalias to the Supreme Court (and fill the lower courts with more clones of Alito and Thomas than you can count).

Who will tell you the truth when they roll back various Obama executive orders on minimum wage, same sex benefits, climate change, etc etc etc.

Who will tell you the truth when they decide to harass immigrants and Muslims and anyone else not meeting their definition of a good (meaning Christian) American.

I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm appalled that some of my fellow Bernie supporters have adopted a holier than thou approach that Bernie himself rejects. He gets it. You don't.

[leveymg]

24. Canvassing is all about defending. If you can't sincerely defend, knocking doors is futile.

Since the same people who do GOTV also tend to do the canvass, the futility of defending the candidate's positions will also erode GOTV efforts at the end of the election period. If you don't have effective GOTV, you will likely lose. No amount of money will save the election. That is what I am afraid will happen with Candidate Hillary.

[Catherina]

32. +1. & Skeptical and downright hostile Dems aren't going to canvas for her

Time magazine nailed it

Sanders, for sure, is running behind Clinton in polling and fundraising. But he has been workmanlike in building a campaign. His slow-and-steady approach has captured the imagination of Democrats’ most liberal corners, who are skeptical if not hostile to a second Clinton being President.

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http://time.com/3928948/bernie-sanders-immigration/

[leveymg]

34. Since Dem grassroots activists are left of center, and so many dislike her, that is a safe bet.

Unfortunately.

[Godhumor]

2. Uh huh. We're now down to mock elections and user generated polls

Maybe next we can conclude that she can't win based on number of DU OPs.

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. I have been told that everytime you see a fly, someone votes for Sanders.

[HerbChestnut]

5. Yeah, agreed.

Look, I'm a Bernie supporter, but we shouldn't be referencing online polls to support our arguments.

[Godhumor]

13. As a completely meta aside, you're one of my favorite Bernie posters

You help make this place fun instead of infuriating.

[HerbChestnut]

17. Thanks, Godhumor. And right back at you.

Your expertise on polling and statistics is much needed around here.

[leveymg]

35. All polls have shown HRC has had strong negatives going back to 2008. This isn't an online poll

Hillary supporters can delude themselves if they like, but don't take down the whole party with you in the General.

[Godhumor]

37. Actually, the poll in the OP is an internet poll

User generated poll where people can share the link; just like the OP did.

[leveymg]

38. All polls have consistently shown the same thing: HRC has 10-15% negatives among Independents,

which is the largest group within the electorate. That goes back to 2008, if not further. That can only spell disaster in the General.

[MisterP]

6. it's not even necessarily personal--it's because she's in America's political class

it's a stratum that's promised us the moon every 2 or 6 years but then make life harder for the 80% of us without plush investments day by day, who doesn't have positions, just talking points that'll be reversed the moment the polls or money shifts, just pretty-sounding promises that are tailored to win the most votes

the stereotype's been around since the 1775 election, and for reason

every 2 years they've said "we'll KICK! REPUBLICAN! ASS!"--in 2010, '12, '14 ...

she'll blow up a million Iraqis and thousands of Americans and then hire proto-ISIS so she can look tough and get the votes and connections to move a step forward on the American political ladder ending at that nice Resolute desk

[Catherina]

7. +1000. Very well said. That's how I feel n/t

[MisterP]

11. what people are really mad at "the pols" over isn't that they're voting themselves raises

but that they're a logrolling web of old and nouveaux riches that's blocked the commoners from making themselves heard and that have set things up so that what little that passes that helps us is stuff that's slipped through (or passed--once it's become inevitable--to cover up some other crap)

they scream at each other all election season (which LASTS 23 months anyway by now) and then pass each other's bills in sync, laws to keep their donors happy; and the election's just artificial wedge issues that get your asshole uncle yelling at the screen/radio

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. A mistake, a faux pas, a mere bagatelle. Or, a calculated vote of political expediency?

Which means she's monumentally stupid or coldly calculating enough to cost human lives to fulfill her ambitions.

In either case, it makes her unfit to hold public office.

[Catherina]

22. Totally unfit. And what else you said n/t

[840high]

27. ...^ that

[thereismore]

9. "It was a mistake. Never you mind. Now I'll tell you what should be done next. By Iraqis."

Paraphrasing.

[Catherina]

15. That really angered me.

The phrase "you broke it, you fix it" means nothing to certain people.

It's unforgivable.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. I will say this for the Clintons and their over-reliance on polling to determine their positions:

If memory serves me, in the first two years of Clinton's presidency, he did come on strong and provided his full support for gay issues. And if I can recall correctly, he faced a backlash that was only second to the barrage from the Starr investigations.

I'm not sure what they were like politically before that moment in history, but they should at least get credit for taking a step in the right direction--before they got run over by the Mack truck of conservative public opinion.

[Catherina]

23. The Clintons once ran a poll on where they should vacation.

If that isn't calculating, I don't know what is.

[Baitball Blogger]

25. I can't defend them on everything else.

Just offering an explanation for the way they are. I agree that public opinion polls drive them. Which means, that people who are not reached by pollsters will be underrepresented and possibly disenfranchised when they opt for Republican coalitions.

[MohRokTah]

14. MOAR INTERNETZ POLLS!!!!!!

[randome]

18. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does RT.com think?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[DCBob]

19. The Bernie Clickety Clickers are at it again!

[wyldwolf]

20. Hmm. Create online poll. Have your buddies tell their buddies to tell their buddies...

... trumpet expected results.

Translation: Bernie people, like Romney people and Ron Paul people before them, are scientific poll deniers who will appear as deer in the headlights when their guy loses.

[JaneyVee]

21. Is that the network where Morning Joe leads the ratings?

Teabagged again!

[pinebox]

28. It's the network where Rachel Maddow had over 2 million viewers

for the Dem forum.

[TexasBushwhacker]

26. It's a rather oddly worded poll

Yes, it could be Bernie supporters, it could be Republicans too.

[Sheepshank]

30. Bingo

[kelliekat44]

29. So she is not entitled to her opinion on marriage? That makes you unpopular because you believe

as you have been socialized or because you voted on a war measure the way the majority voted?

[brooklynite]

31. Would someone care to point out why this is significant?

First, it's a self selecting online poll.

Second, it's a poll on MSNBC.com, which is NOT a news site (nbcnews.com is); it's a political discussion site affiliated with MSNBC, which attracts people sufficiently engaged in politics to want to read and discuss the details. That eliminates probably 80-90% of the Democratic electorate.

[blue neen]

33. That's not a very scientific poll.

Just saying...

[RiverLover]

36. While ones that call only those with landlines are scientific...

Just sayin

[blue neen]

39. At least with those that call landlines,

you can't call up or e-mail your friends and say, "Hey, this poll is up on MSNBC. Go and vote for Hillary right now!", or "Go and vote for Bernie right now." "And, make sure that you vote more than once!"

I've seen it done right here on this forum, also. You know, like posting this OP?