Everytime I see an anti Hillary or anti Bernie thread - get turned off and tune out

[liberal N proud]

One of these people will be the Democratic nominee so attacking them, knocking them down and degrading them only hurts the Democratic changes next year.

If you can't post facts about the candidate with links to back those facts up, then don't post it. DU needs to regain some of its credibility. At one time, if you couldn't back up a statement here, you were called out, now all you need is a little luck with a jury if it even goes that far and you can post any slander you want.


Attack without merit and you lose me!

[safeinOhio]

1. Better yet.

Save your attacks for the Clown Car Candidates.

[olegramps]

21. It has really turned me off on DU. Some appear as radical as the Tea Party types.

[demosincebirth]

52. Yup, the far left meets the far right. They both turn me off.

[demosincebirth]

53. Yup, the far left meets the far right. They both turn me off.

[CurtEastPoint]

2. Ditto that. I was considering posting this exact message last night. Sick unto death of it.

STOP BASHING DEMOCRATS.

[longship]

3. A tactic of two year olds and school yard bullies.

Either way, immature assholes.

It makes DU suck, especially the personal attacks. GD.P has become substantially a toxic waste dump.

Grow up, people, and become part of the solution, to elect Democrats, and not part of the problem, horrible infighting.

Find something gracious to say. Fortunately, there are still many here who get that. See how it works?

My best regards to you all.

[Demit]

4. Me too. I see the threads & never open them, unless I'm on a jury.

And so many alerts! So much hurling of insults back & forth. I figure people have a lot of built up anger and this is a safe place to vent, but it just looks childish.

[Fumesucker]

5. For some posters it's just business

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110720713#post19

As I predicted as well, my phone is ringing off the hook. I had a TV appearance today, will preview the debate on Cavuto tomorrow, will give a pre debate speech at a large gathering tomorrow and have a number of appearance requests later in the week, all due to my internet buzz meter being raised. So not only did the folks who hoped to hurt me fail, I'm very much helped by their efforts.

[OnyxCollie]

13. Faux News' faux progressive.

[Art_from_Ark]

24. Faux progressive is right

He's got talking out of both sides of his mouth refined into an art form.

[Dem2]

39. Proving the O/Ps point

Seems there's always a pending opportunity to lash out at a poster one disagrees with.

[Fumesucker]

44. Pointing out someone's own words is "lashing out"?

Actually I agree with that poster, or v2.0.08 of him anyway.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. They are the FoxNews crowd, they want Democratic elections to look like the Republican Trumporama

They look at three excellent candidates and hurl characterizations and hyperbole at them. It's disgusting and I hope they all get whatever it is they are after in the making of such an anti-democratic agenda.

[Action_Patrol]

7. Agreed 100% and it's my I mostly avoid GD:P

[santafe52]

8. THANK YOU!!!

You are the smartest kid in class! These attacks on Democratic candidates is a very dangerous practice and could lead to a Trump, Carson or Cruz presidency.

The priority of all DUers should be to insure the election of a Democratic president in '16. The health and safety of the world hinges on it.

[thesquanderer]

9. I have been thinking about blocking some of the zealots (on both sides)

I'm hesitant, because every now and then, one of them actually says something interesting/worthwhile... but I'm not sure its worth it. I might have a more pleasant experience here just not ever seeing any of their posts.

[randome]

10. The vitriol doesn't do anyone any good -unless, perhaps, you're a brain surgeon.

Dr. Carson may need to come out of retirement.




[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Treant]

11. Ditto

It's getting to the point where I merely scan the Trending and Greatest--most of it's attack ads.

Fortunately, the right-hand news column is still of some use if you ignore the comments on any Clinton/Sanders pieces.

I have my preferences, but either would make a good President and make the same Supreme Court choices in all likelihood.

[33taw]

12. Thank you so much for posting this.

I will not even open a post if it is bashing any of the candidates. Sadly, my time on DU has really dropped off because of the negativity. Last week there were ten posts and only one that was not attacking.

I hope everyone realizes that Scalia and Thomas live on as the legacy of Reagan and GHW Bush nearly 30 years after their appointment. That is what we need to watch out for.

[lark]

14. Makes me sad to see Dems eating their own

Yeah, let's be all perfect (and childish, might I add) and hold our breath and not vote if our favored one isn't in the general. Yeah, they'll show us by letting a R waltz in and destroy our nation further. I've just started not even opening those kinds of threads since there's not a dislike button.

[99Forever]

15. Anyone that let's what clowns on the internet say control their emotions...

... has larger issues than political choices.

Oh and btw, you don't get to tell ANYONE what or what not to post. Not yesterday. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Not next year. Not ever.

[liberal N proud]

17. I am just telling you that it turns me off and tunse me out

And that you need to back up your bullshit with evidence.

Posting shit just to post it used to get your thread deleted at one time, now all you need is a little luck with the jury selection and they will let anything pass.

[99Forever]

41. Make empty demands much?

If you don't get what that means, see above.

[Nitram]

16. Lopok out, here come the posts about a principled stand against "loyalty oaths".

Some people always have to make their negativity seem extra specially rebellious, free and courageous.

[bigtree]

18. get yer linky fact threads here

Martin O'Malley Announces Additional Protections for New Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251784990

Martin O'Malley vows to clear military records of those discharged for being gay
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251784949

Martin O’Malley rolls out 7 proposed gun safety executive actions Tuesday
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251760866

[Koinos]

54. It's like you're wearing the Ring of Gyges...

when you post links to O'Malley talking about real issues.

I think it went right past them.

They keep forgetting the third candidate.

[tishaLA]

19. I try to think back to 04 and wonder whether I was so dogmatic

when I was a "Clarkie" and the Clark-Dean wars went on endlessly. I hope not.

But I agree. It's pretty dismal with the needless hyperbole and rancor

[CaptainTruth]

20. Me too.

I feel the same way, thanks for posting. I'm not interested in bickering & insults. We can do better than that.

[AuntPatsy]

22. Kick & Recommended

Some of it is beyond silly, it's too bad some cannot learn from past and or present mistakes made....

Unless we push those closed doors down together, fact is they will remain closed, slightly ajar happening from all that shoving of each other is simply not good enough to ensure we can all get through and enact the much needed change our government needs in order to represent all the people...

[JeaneRaye]

23. So glad someone finally said this.

I, too, am sick to death of all this mudslinging from one Democratic candidate supporter to another. Save your insults for the loonies on the Republican side. I must say that I am disappointed in the posts supporting liberal N proud, though. Does it mean that most people aren't bothered by this?

[fasttense]

25. One of these people will be our next president and degrading them only hurts America. n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

26. These candidates are not the same no matter how uncomfortable that makes people. Each would

follow their elections with vastly different policy prescriptions. These are not small differences, either. These are big philosophical differences. This differences will likely wind up being between austerity based solutions and social safety-net stimulative solutions. I agree. On social issues we aren't really going to see too much difference between the two, but on issues of economics, labor, international interventions, trade policy, social safety net, our relationship to authority and state actor accountability (police brutality, tactics, and targets), etc the differences are stark. We NEED to talk about THESE issues. THESE differences matter. THESE differences will mean life or death for people.

No, we need not stop pointing out differences. We need to deconstruct and examine these candidate's political theory and we need to point out why and where they are left wanting. We really don't have much time so we need to point these differences and their consequences out aggressively enough that they grab attention of voters. And mostly we need to stop trying to front the idea that these candidates are equal in any way.

I know Bernie said Hillary would be vastly better than any republican. Ok. Fine. But would she be relatively equal to Bernie? I think not. We can count the ways, but not if the call continues to be that there isn't much difference between the two.

Now if you're talking about people who comment on hair or bugeyes or call other candidates murders, etc. . .

Well there I am with you.

[cheapdate]

27. +1

[redstatebluegirl]

28. The Republicans love seeing us fighting among ourselves.

I used to come to DU a couple of times a day to read posts and learn. Now I hardly ever come here, if I want to hear people bash Democrats I just need to go anywhere in my state. I guess I should be glad I am on a ton of ignore lists, my posts are ignored for the most part.

If we keep this up we will lose next November and they will have all three branches. Does anyone even want to imagine what that will look like? The Supreme Court? Stay home and they win.

[One of the 99]

29. Agreed. Stop the attacks.

We have two good candidates, Bernie and Hillary. I like Bernie and am voting for him. But if those who don't need to stop all the negative crap.

[UglyGreed]

31. Then I guess you will end up

voting for Jill Stein

[JohnnyRingo]

32. K&R

I have seriously curtailed commenting for the past few months.

Now I see my star membership is due next week. I find myself having to think it over.

[tabasco]

33. Some obvious trolls are sowing division

Others are simply misguided.

[Autumn]

34. You should trash GDP.

[Agschmid]

43. Yup.

[liberal N proud]

45. Or grow my Ignore list

I use both tools effectively, Trashing a whole forum does cause one to lose some valuable information.

[honeylady]

35. I couldn't agree more

I'm for Bernie, but I sure don't like it when people trash Hilary. Its really gotten ridiculous. I don't go into any threads that attack either candidate. Grow up people!!!

[geardaddy]

36. K and R

[alc]

37. use it to learn

You will probably hear similar things with people you come into contact with in person over the next year. If you're candidate is attacked on DU, post a brief (usable at the water cooler) response to rebut it. No mater who your candidate is, read the threads to learn how to rebut attacks in a polite but brief way without attacking the other poster (and be able to follow up with longer arguments if necessary).

DU is a valuable tool and even attack threads can be good learning. If everyone just wants to feel safe on DU (hide, ignore, etc) it becomes much less useful as a tool to help with people who really matter - friends/associates/etc who are wavering on who to vote for or whether to vote a year from now.

[Tom_Foolery]

38. It turns me off, too...

I admire both of them, and I will proudly vote for either one in the general election.

[Dem2]

40. I agree

I'd prefer not to do this, but I have taken to trashing those attack threads as they serve no purpose to me. Sometimes I give my opinion before hand, I'm sure onto deaf ears.

[OregonBlue]

42. I never open the negative posts. I prefer to do my own thinking and listen to what the candidates

are saying and doing. Sickening what some "Democrats" here have to say about Democratic candidates.

[saturnsring]

46. ive been bitching about this for a couple of weeks now even tried alerting on one and got slammed

for it. if you candidate is so fking awesome post about how awesome they are and save the tearing down for free republic.

[liberal N proud]

47. You experienced what I was talking about with the jury

If you get enough supporters for that candidate on the jury, it passes. It's a crap shoot.

[Jon Fogerty]

48. Hear, hear!

I am a newbie here and I find myself ignoring anti-HRC and anti-Sanders titles because of the venom. We should not debase ourselves into what the Conservative/GOP have become.

[Fumesucker]

49. Religion group posts last 30 days 2389, Interfaith group posts last 30 days 9

What's the difference between the Religion group and the Interfaith group? Very little except no negative posts are allowed in the Interfaith group.

If you want GD-P to have as few posts as the Interfaith group just put in a rule that no negative posts are allowed.

Politics is about compromise between conflicting points of view, conflicting agendas, if conflict is not allowed then compromise will never be reached.

[liberal N proud]

50. MIRT are you reading this?

Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:27 AM - Edit history (1)

It would make so much sense.

[Fumesucker]

51. It's kind of funny, the Religion group spawned the Interfaith group

The religious posters in the Religion group claimed they needed a protected group to get away from the evil atheists who were constantly harassing them by pointing out how their arguments were flawed and they agitated for quite some time to get the protected Interfaith group so they could have their nice positive discussions about Religion free of atheist disagreement.

Well, you see how that worked out, the protected group is a ghost town while the original fractious Religion group with the evil atheists just kept steaming along with several dozen posts every single day.

What a lot of people don't seem to grasp is that DU is a business, a business based mostly on clicks, banning negative posts from GD-P would cut down severely on clicks and would therefore of course have an adverse effect on the owner's finances.

So by advocating no negative posts in GD-P you are threatening Skinner, Earl G and Elad with a drastic loss of income, is that any way to treat the people who bring us DU?

[McCamy Taylor]

55. K&R

[sunnystarr]

56. thank you for posting this ...

It just breaks my heart when I see this happening at DU.