Hey everyone, it's 'Bernie and his supporters are racists day'.

[Dawgs]

Wish we had one of those for the actual racists. You know, the Republicans.

[TM99]

1. I thought it was Bernie & his supporters are racists everyday.

Well, at least since May and the first posts about his crowd being so white.

[Duckhunter935]

4. very true

but they do not attack

[JaneyVee]

2. Lead the charge against Republicans, we have your back!

Lets go!

[Dawgs]

16. Not the point, but thanks for the kick. n/t

[winter is coming]

3. Leftovers for supper *again*? n/t

[nc4bo]

35. When it's all ya got................

It's ALL ya got.

[Le Taz Hot]

5. Again?

Are the accusations on a rotational basis or do they just spin a wheel?

[mmonk]

7. Darts I think.

[Kalidurga]

80. With Bernie's face on the dartboard.

[CoffeeCat]

63. It's intended to shore up support...

...for Clinton in South Carolina, while hurting Bernie in South Carolina.

As if Clinton's policys, corporate kow towing and warmongering aren't bad enough--she has to campaign like a dirty bird.

She tried all of this bunk in 2008. It didn't' work.

Remember how she said, "I take Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim" during a time when the Republicans were positioning Obama as "exotic" and calling into question where he grew up and what religion he really belonged to?

Hillary loves to fight dirty. She'll say and do anything to destroy her opponent. Even if these accusations are lies.

She also wants the spotlight off of the real issues. Then it becomes apparent that Bernie is the better candidate and the more thoughtful, honest person who will deliver real change.

The Clinton camp has to turn out the crapola, in hopes that the stench will keep us occupied and distracted from who she really is.

[Agschmid]

6. Actually I see several post and OP saying NONE of our candidates are racist.

And I even see DU's loudest Hillary supporters agreeing with the idea that Bernie, Hillary, and O"Malley are NOT racists.

I swear half the time you are stirring up your own shit.

[Dawgs]

12. I've seen a couple of those.

But I've seen many more of the others today.

[aikoaiko]

27. They say those words but then they imply it with other words.

And we know HRC supporters understand implications.

[brooklynite]

8. I've never said that...

nor have I criticized Sanders in any way, except on the issue of electability.

As for his supporters, I would never use the terms "racist" or "sexist". "Obnoxious" generally works.

[bravenak]

9. Nobody said that.

[Dawgs]

15. Exactly. Nobody put up any list calling out Republicans. n/t

[NCTraveler]

31. They really don't see how offensive making this shit up is.

They don't see that they are using race in order to make themselves look like victims. Most all of the posts from posters who have claimed they are white. That is beyond offensive and they just don't see it. There is also another word for it but my post would get hidden if I called these actions racist on their own.

[bravenak]

33. They cannot see.

The world is centered aroung people like them. To see would necessitate noticing that others are just as important.

[AlbertCat]

91. They don't see that they are using race in order to make themselves look like victims.

Yeah.... black posters on DU never play the victim.

I still don't understand how that GOP lie about Sanders not "getting" blacks is STILL being given credence by some here when some research into Sanders proves it wrong.

[NCTraveler]

95. "black posters on DU never play the victim. "

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That's one group that isn't fucking playing. I can't make sense of your last sentence at all so I'm going to back off what I want to say.



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91. They don't see that they are using race in order to make themselves look like victims.

Yeah.... black posters on DU never play the victim.

I still don't understand how that GOP lie about Sanders not "getting" blacks is STILL being given credence by some here when some research into Sanders proves it wrong.

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[Vattel]

72. They constantly do so by implication. See last sentence in post 47 in this thread for an example.

You yourself have even implied that Bernie is guilty of racism, suggesting that he wanted to primary Obama because Obama is black. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251783473#post8

Post 172 called you out on it, and it was obvious.

[pa28]

81. Here. Let me refresh your memory.

"But honestly, the way his supporters have treated black folks was so horribly paternalistic and blatantly racist, i see no hope for his campaign. Black folks will not vote for the guy woth the racist asshole supporters."

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=476125

[bravenak]

83. That does not call Bernie racist.

[pa28]

84. Just his supporters. Contrary your claim.

[bravenak]

87. Ok.nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

90. No one has to "say that".

But the implication is clear unless one is blind and/or stupid.

[bravenak]

108. Umm hmm. His issues with black voters are well known. He says it himself.nt

[Dem2]

10. Where is this happening?

I guess I'm just too new or just not interested in this inside politics going on here.

[JaneyVee]

11. But there are posts by Bernie fans saying...

Hillary doesn't care about black people, which is complete bullshit. She's spent her life in the trenches fighting for black communities.

[mmonk]

14. It did not start with us. You are experiencing blowback.

That's what happens when discussion devolves.

[Autumn]

25. How strange. So did Bernie. And Bernie fought for a lot of others. n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. That's one of the Four Things You Can No Longer Say.

I read it here.

[Autumn]

92. When a poster here told me to listen and not talk I did, so I kept my mouth shut over

Bernie's civil right actions. I have since realized that the goal wasn't for us to listen, the goal was for us to shut up. I don't give a damn, Bernie's record on civil right is clear and I'm not going to shut up. If what I say isn't liked, ignore is a gift.

[ieoeja]

110. "the goal wasn't for us to listen, the goal was for us to shut up." K&R this post. n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

112. Damn right. Good post, Autumn.

[aikoaiko]

30. #Hillaryissoblack

[2pooped2pop]

32. yes that's obvious in her assocation

With private prisons, in her associations large corporations, in her war vote. But don't worry she will throw black people the same bone she throws the rest of us so we won't notice the steak she feeds the prison complex, the drug companies, the uber rich, the mega corporations.

U may enjoy your bone, I keep choking on mine.

[zeemike]

70. That is assuming all they get is a bone.

But if they are well invested in Wackenhut or like companies they may be sopping up some of that gravy...and want that gravy to continue.

[grasswire]

88. that is at least an exaggeration. nt

[cui bono]

115. I haven't seen that.

I have seen posts critical of her policies that disproportionately hurt PoC. And also posts that point out that she treated BLM much worse than Bernie did and that BLM activists said that he "gets it" more than she does.

[NaturalHigh]

13. That's been going on for a while hasn't it?

[Cassiopeia]

17. Don't like the weather?

Just give it a few minutes, the weathervane will point in another direction in a few minutes.

I guess when your candidate is leading in the polls it's time to get your stomping boots on and go to town.

[gollygee]

18. I don't see that

Bernie is a bit tone deaf, but he's a good man, and Hillary isn't perfect either. She has learned from her past problems with discussions of race though.

Some of Bernie's supporters can't accept any criticism about him, and that's the big issue. I like Bernie a lot. I seriously wish he would evolve more on issues of race, specifically that he would accept that racism affects all people of color of all income levels and therefore needs to be attacked both separately from economic issues and along with economic issues. I recognize his problems with this and I am critical. He is wonderful in other areas and therefore at this point has my vote. But he is not wonderful on issues of race and I am still hoping for more work from him. He is not alone - almost all politicians need work on this issue. America as a whole needs work on this issue.

He's tone deaf, not racist, and not more tone deaf than most Americans.

Some of his supporters are VERY tone deaf. Some are probably old fashioned racists too, statistically, but I think most are just where America as a whole is on issues of race - just very tone deaf because they so fear criticism of Sanders.

He can handle the criticism. It's good for him.

[mmonk]

19. Funny, I think of the party apparatus as the ones suffering from tone deafness.

Hence why Bernie has my support.

[Dawgs]

20. Okay, but what specifically has he done that would make you think he's tone deaf?

Was it during the speeches when he was interrupted by BLM, something he said, or was it something else?

[gollygee]

21. He has not been willing to listen

The majority of people of color have over and over again said that racism affects all people of color of all income levels, and therefore that racism should be discussed and battled apart from economics as well as with it. He seems to me to be unwilling to hear that.

I think he's just wrong about it but then I think America as a whole is wrong - including the party as a whole as the earlier reply said. It isn't just him. I don't personally think he's more tone deaf than most white people. I've been doing all sorts of anti-racism training with an organization I volunteer at, and I'm still working on it myself. It's normal for white people in the US to have work to do on race. We are a product of a racist society and we aren't going to rise above it without work.

I am not more critical of him on this than I am on Clinton or anyone else. And he is far better than anyone else on economic issues, which is why he still has my vote.

But he is not above criticism about this particular issue, nor am I, nor is Clinton. Nor is anyone.

[bahrbearian]

24. "Well if that's the case, I'll only talk to white people"

[gollygee]

29. I have no idea what that's in response to.

I haven't heard that quote. Who said it?

[MrMickeysMom]

39. Hillary said it...

When she was initially confronted with BLM and had that "back door" staged, yet "spontaneous" interlude.

The next time they tried to say something, she ignored them as they were ushered away from her staged stage.

[gollygee]

42. I posted again that I remembered

I was never totally clear on context but it doesn't sound good.

Anyway, yeah, I don't see anyone as being perfect or above criticism, specifically in this case white people on the issue of racism, and I include myself in that. I'm still working on it too. Therefore, that isn't what's deciding my vote. I don't see one of them being great and one being awful. I see two good people who both have work to do.

[MrMickeysMom]

43. Then, you are truly an objective person...

We need your balance, always.

[Romulox]

76. LOL...you just plum forgot Hillary's recent racism! nt

[merrily]

56. She also said "All lives matter." So did O'Malley. Sanders never said it.

ETA: Yet, Sanders the only one NPR reported (erroneously) as having said it. Peculiar that.

See also.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter-dem-debate/ (this is inaccurate in that hiring Symone Sanders was always the plan) Debate question: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?

Of course, well before the debate, the error of saying "All lives matter." had been thoroughly discussed. Among the three frontrunners, Sanders was the only one who didn't exhibit incredible insensitivity before that public discussion.

[MrMickeysMom]

85. The "me, too", throwing under the bus.... awful...

NPR can kiss my entire ass. I've had it with "national" public radio reporting.

I'm convinced the reason they think we are racist, merrily, is that we concentrate on the HUMAN RACE.

Too bad they don't.

[merrily]

89. "NPR can kiss my entire ass."

NPR should be so lucky!

[gollygee]

38. Oh wait, Clinton said that, didn't she!

Yeah that sounds pretty tone deaf too. I'm not sure if she was blowing them off and saying, "Well fine then, forget you, I'll just talk to white people," which would be horrible, or if she was saying, "I understand you're saying that it isn't my job as a white person to tell people of color how to do their work or what their work should be. From now on, I'll work with white people" which would not be horrible. Either way, her word choice was not great.

So I guess in short I don't know the context to that but it isn't a good quote to have out there.

[Romulox]

77. She was saying the former, quite clearly. Your credibility has just taken a hit. nt

[gollygee]

99. I didn't see her say it. I only heard that she said it.

I didn't see it in context. It isn't clear if I don't see the context.

[Romulox]

100. You are on the internet. You remain in the dark regarding this matter only because you choose to be. nt

[gollygee]

101. I've already decided I don't want to vote for her

If I'd been wondering if I would vote for her, I would have checked. But I am not interested regardless of the context of that one quote.

[Romulox]

102. And yet here we are, with you decrying her opponent while defending Hillary.

And all the while refusing to use google to fact check your assertion:

She has learned from her past problems with discussions of race though.

[gollygee]

104. I meant that she has learned to be careful with how she words things

but you're right that I had forgotten about that one incident, though I'm still not up on the specifics. Still, my overall point is that neither of them is perfect on race issues, and her being imperfect on race issues doesn't contradict that.

As I don't see a great deal of difference between them on that issue, I am voting for Sanders because of economics issues. If Clinton were a social justice champion, that would challenge me. I do not believe she is. I don't believe either of them is. I think Clinton cares about social justice but is a bit tone deaf and really cares more about corporations. I think Sanders cares about social justice but is a bit tone deaf. A bit tone deaf wins in that battle.

[Romulox]

105. No. She hasn't. Google first, explicate second. nt

[merrily]

54. Not willing to listen? Strongly disagree

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First, he listened after they took the mike out of his hand. His campaign manager met with BLM when he could not because of prior commitments.

BLM praised his racial justice platform. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/08/10/3689728/after-repeated-protests-bernie-sanders-releases-racial-justice-platform/ (August 10 story)

After activists from the Black Lives Matter movement repeatedly disrupted speeches by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) over the past few weeks, the popular and populist presidential candidate released a comprehensive racial justice platform and hired a young racial justice activist as his national press secretary.

The platform, which has won praise from several prominent voices in the Black Lives Matter movement, focuses on different forms of violence against people of color in the United States: physical violence from law enforcement and extremist vigilantes, the political violence of voter suppression, the legal violence of the War on Drugs and mass incarceration, and the economic violence of crushing poverty. Sanders lays out several proposals to address each form of violence, from passing “ban

the box” laws to prevent hiring discrimination against people with criminal records, to outlawing for-profit prisons, to restoring the gutted protections in the 1965 Voting Rights Act.



He met with BLM even after BLM publicly praised his plan.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter-deray-mckeeson-meeting-121431 (August 17 story)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/16/sanders-to-meet-with-black-lives-matter-activists/ (September 16 story)

[merrily]

73. My replies 54 and 56 speak to that issue (and include links).

[AlbertCat]

94. Bernie is a bit tone deaf,

Explain....

That's part of the GOP lie. You didn't fall for it, did you?

[2pooped2pop]

22. what passes for racism these days

Appears to be not agreeing with any black supporting poster or finding their particular words of wisdom on how Bernie supporters NEED to act and what they NEED to say or not say especially earth shattering.

[AlbertCat]

98. Bingo!

I'm a racist now because I had the nerve to suggest black voters research the candidates instead of just going with name recognition. I suppose you cannot say such a thing now without including every other race in your statement....even tho' the discussion was about black voters.

Like with religion.... criticism is out of bounds now, I guess.

[oasis]

106. If a black voter told you his vote for Hillary was based solely on

name recognition, maybe you should only address that individual.

[AlbertCat]

107. "If a black voter told you....

Most voters, regardless of color, are voting for the Hilster because of name recognition. What else is there?

[oasis]

109. Maybe you should "research" YOUR post #98.

You stated there that you had the nerve to suggest BLACK voters need to research candidates and not give their support based on name recogition.

[Autumn]

23. That's everyday.

[NCTraveler]

26. "Wish we had one of those for the actual racists. You know, the Republicans."

Let us know when you are ready to start fighting them. I have been and will continue to do so. That includes racist Paulites and racist isolationists. Get on board. Fuck racist republicans. No one here is stopping you as you insinuate.

[Dawgs]

28. I insinuated that people are stopping me from fighting racist republicans?

Where?

[NCTraveler]

34. Absolutley you did. As well as making up an issue that doesn't exist.

Hit it out of the park with this one as far as being offensive goes.

[Dawgs]

46. Huh?

[A Simple Game]

68. I'm ready and willing, tell me what you are doing so I have an idea how to start holding the

Republican's feet to the fire.

[hootinholler]

36. I think it's early this month

Must be the holidays throwing the recycling schedule off.

[SidDithers]

37. Oh, so NOW you want to go after Republicans...nt

Sid

[MrMickeysMom]

41. Thanks...

I've got a new fly-swatter for you to use, Sidney....

Oh, wait! That darned fly... So silly that he lives on in my posts.

[NuclearDem]

49. This is hilarious.

I'm sure the irony is lost on the OP.

[SunSeeker]

58. LOL nt

[JoePhilly]

113. Bwahahahahahahahha!!!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

40. Well go for it.

Hop on board.

[Jester Messiah]

44. All day every day.

And denying it constitutes an attack on the slanderer, apparently. With some people, you just can't win.

[Godhumor]

45. Here's a thought. Supporters should stop posting threads on how AAs are being bamboozled

And people will stop calling it out.

But no one has made an accusation on anyone being racist. Just tone deaf.

[Skidmore]

60. This. So much this.

[NuclearDem]

47. I have no idea why certain Sanders supporters are being called racist.

I mean, those Sanders supporters aren't really being called racist, just tone deaf and paternalistic, but it's an utter mystery to me.

All they're doing is trying to save those clueless, naive black people from themselves. Why are those angry black people getting so upset about that?

[Dawgs]

48. I'm not talking about those people, but thanks for trying.

[NuclearDem]

50. Alright, find/replace black with Hispanic.

Better?

[Dawgs]

52. Nope. You still don't get it. n/t

[NuclearDem]

61. Apologies. My woe-is-meter's broken.

Poor thing couldn't handle the bullshit.

[nyabingi]

62. "Clueless"? "Naive"?

Black people have always had a love/hate relationship with white liberals, and where once I would waver between the "yes, they can be allies" to the "no, they will never be true allies", I'm leaning a lot more into the latter camp.

Republicans insult Black people constantly by insisting that without good white liberals, we'd be happily picking cotton, whistling Dixie and asking what "massa" needs - since we're Black, we can't possibly be intelligent enough to know we're being shitted on right? White supremacist thought runs very deep, even in people who think they are clean of it.

I'm really hoping your post was sarcasm, because if it's not then you can kiss my narrow Black ass.

[NuclearDem]

66. It was sarcasm.

Just pointing out how clueless some people are that they're complaining about being called racist while simultaneously claiming that the AA community is too stupid to know what they really want.

[nyabingi]

75. Haha! Thank you because I got a little heated

Sorry for flying off the handle.

[Vattel]

67. And here is another post accusing Sanders supporters of racism.

"All they're doing is trying to save those clueless, naive black people from themselves. Why are those angry black people getting so upset about that?" That implicitly attributes racism to Bernie supporters.

[NuclearDem]

78. I didn't say, nor did I intend to say, racist. I said paternalistic and tone deaf.

Racists treat black people as inferior. The paternalistic and tone deaf simply ignore them and act as if they know what's best for them without ever asking.

[cui bono]

116. Well here's a clue.

It's to smear Sanders. Duh.

It stands to reason that Sanders supporters are going to defend him when people keep spreading lies about him and claiming he is only about economics. It's campaign season, if a candidate's record doesn't matter then what does?

Only on DU do I see PoC being talked about as if they are a monolith. Spoken about as if they can't think for themselves. Called 'outliers' when they support the 'wrong' candidate. Having their very real struggle, racism, being used as a political football by PoC themselves. That is really disgusting.

[merrily]

51. I hate that it comes right when War on Christmas season starts.

[staggerleem]

53. Hey, Dawgs -

Apparently, there are several folks hereabouts who simply lack a sense of humor. For their benefit, future posts of this nature should lead with the flag.

[Ed Suspicious]

55. I've noticed! How exciting!

[Hiraeth]

57. Haven't you heard? The revolution is stupid. People are too busy swatting flies.

[artislife]

65. lol

I think my count is ignored shatters is up to 35. How very nice of them to out themselves.

Haters are gonna hate..but I will never have to read them again. I am almost hoping for some who haven't added the swatter to do so, so I couldn't ignore them with impunity.

[Hiraeth]

74. I still haven't applied ignore option -

Somehow, I get perverse pleasure in reading about spoiled brats and their juvenile ways.
I like knowing what they want for their birthday.
That way I can purchase exactly the right gift.
Avoid tantrums that way, you know.

[Fred Sanders]

64. Anyone want to comment on a thread respectfully discussing the Sanders campaign strategy

going forward without dead-end semantical warfare?

Here you go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=790041

[sabrina 1]

69. It's a Talking Point! That's all, his record of course destroys it.

[UglyGreed]

71. +1

[truebrit71]

79. You mean like every other day of the week?

...Some around here seem to forget who the REAL enemy is...I guess they're too busy with fake outrage and mailing letters to themselves...

[NaturalHigh]

82. It's the old "when did you stop beating your wife" routine.

Any way you answer, you're screwed. According to a post I saw just a little while ago, there are twelve steps I'm supposed to take to ensure that I know that I'm a racist.

You can't make this shit up.

[Vinca]

86. It's getting so I can't keep up.

One day we're racist, the next day we're sexist, then we're racist again . . . I can't remember from one day until the day who I'm alleged to be hating on.

[MisterP]

114. handedness?

[Blue_Tires]

93. You haven't been on twitter lately, have you?

[CentralMass]

96. There is a growing list of regular anti-Sanders "posters"

that I choose to ignore by not reading them because I know that they will have nothing constructive to say.

[sabrina 1]

103. That's how you recognize talking points. They are always repeats of the original memo.

[Catherina]

97. It's gotten so all the days look the same lol n/t

[sabrina 1]

111. That's TWO talking points in one. I wonder what it costs to buy these smear campaigns? Millions

if we go by what HB Gary was hoping to make by smearing people like Glenn Greenwald when Anonymous hacked their emails and we got to see how these smear campaigns are made.