2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn Honor Of Our Nov. 2015 Dem Implosion...
If true... any thoughts on why this would be ???
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How the Democrats Could Win Every Election
The Democrats are getting populist, which is nice. But will it be enough to lure the millions who dont vote to the polls?
Monica Potts - DailyBeast
1/15/15
The most financially secure participants were strongly Republican, which is no surprise. The least financially secure were much more likely to prefer Democratic policies. That included the mythical white working class, a group liberals have worried about the Democrats losing because of social-justice issues like race and gender relations. Even though white voters overall were more likely to tilt Republican, support for the GOP declines as we move down the income scale, and the poorest whites were more likely to say they liked Democrats better. Will this finally end the myth that the nation is full of poor whites voting against their economic interests?
The least financially secure group was more likely to say that the government should do more to help the needy, which might indicate support for a proposal like Van Hollens. But the bigger problem is that people who were the least financially secure were also the least likely to vote. On top of that, few of them ever wrote to their Congressperson or knew much about the current Congress or the current political field.
This is a big group of votersat least 20 percent of Americanswho could be swayed by Democratic policies. Yet both parties leave their votes on the table.
Why might lower-income and lower-wealth Americans be so disengaged? The Pew survey didnt make any claims, but noted that the least financially secure surveyed were less ideologically consistent than the better-off participants, so maybe they dont strongly identify with a party and that keeps them from feeling moved to vote. Indeed, the least well off were more likely to say they had no preference between the Democratic and Republican candidates in the 2014 elections.
It could also be that, until now, the Democratic Party seemed as friendly to the big banks at times as the Republicans. See above: Warren challenging Obamas Treasury nominee for being a Wall Streeter.
I think this group doesnt see Democrats doing much to enhance their economic security. Even these voters know the game is rigged against them and dont seen many politicians of either party rising to be their champion. Democrats seem ready to cede lots of ground on policies that will hit Americans with the lowest incomes the hardest, like raising the Social Security retirement age and cutting benefits.
The lives of low-income, financially insecure Americans are busy, insecure ones. They are less likely to be well educated and more likely to have a disability that keeps them from working full time. They are more likely to be women who have never been married, which means many are overwhelmed single mothers. The least well-off financially likely includes men who have spent some time in the criminal justice system, which means they are literally disenfranchised or believe they cannot vote even if they live in a state where they could.
More: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/15/how-the-democrats-could-win-every-election.html#
leveymg
(36,418 posts)No matter how many millions Wall St. antes up for Hillary. If she's the candidate, we lose. The Repubs have been itching to vote against her.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)i.e. Not much gets done.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)the 5th Circuit immigration decision today. Can you imagine what it will be like living in a country that tries to round up and deport 5 million people? I can't.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)We will protect ourselves, and others... and find ways to foil the "system".
ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)And the Democratic Party is abandoning these people for the mythical suburban "swing voters".
WillyT
(72,631 posts)But it's damned important.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Our party quite often flips us the bird, then demands our votes. I wouldn't bother voting except that it helps my advocacy- I get to point out that our votes aren't doing any good, and that more will be needed.
I wouldn't be as active or politically informed if our party was doing their job.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)You guys need new material.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I'll wait.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)I mean ... I understand the frustration that Bernie is losing badly and all the socialist dreams are a bust but why reveal the desperation by posting inane things over and over and over?
::::::::::::: yawn :::::::::::::::::::
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)I'd love to see it there, complete with all your added emphasis!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)You have total permission from me.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)believe that their vote counts. They also think that
the cards are stacked against them.
I have thought for a long time that everyone
renewing their driver's license should be registered
to vote as a duty. However, there should be then
a line on the ballot stating "None of the above".
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Going after the non-voters has always been a fool's (and loser's) errand.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Since more than likely, they wouldn't be for their candidate. Funny how that works, isn't it? Democracy is great thing as long as it's controllable?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Word !
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Going after people who never vote is a loser's errand.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Fear, Loathing, etc...
They come out in droves in even the most minor of elections.
We, to our pride (and to our shame), aren't so easily manipulated as they are.
Yet... if we cannot GOTV, except for the Presidency, we're screwn.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Those who never vote never vote, even in presidential elections.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Seriously.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)instead of sitting them out because they're pissed at the president.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)You wouldn't have so many super delegates going one way so early otherwise. Obama kept up with Hillary on those and most held off, unlike this year.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)At the time of Hillary Clinton's campaign suspension on June 7, 2008, the count was 246½ for her and 478 for Barack Obama,[2] with 99 still 'Uncommitted'[3] of the 823½ total then existing, although this number represents the realignment of around 50 superdelegates who switched their support from Clinton to Obama when he had gained the majority of delegates. Clinton released her delegates during the convention.
The breakdown by position for Clinton was 144 DNC, 52½ Representatives, 14 Senators, 17 Add-ons, 10½ Governors, and 7½ DPLs; the breakdown by position for Obama was 229 DNC, 157 Representatives, 34 Senators, 29 Add-ons, 20 Governors, and 9 DPLs; and the breakdown for "Uncommitted" was: 39 DNC, 22 Representatives, 1.5 Senators, 32.5 Add-ons, 1 Governor, and 3 DPLs.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2008
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Hardly any had endorsed by this time in 2007, compared to over 400 declared for Hillary now.
They are making what they see as a safe bet this go around.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I'm rooting for the radical.
We need a serious shake up.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)there is absolutely no way the Democratic part will nominate an outsider who spent years putting the party down.
Ain't gonna happen.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And then spends the rest of it's money conning the rest of us.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)and the people overwhelmingly support Hillary over an interloper.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Wow !!!
Bernie has had our backs for 40 + years.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)He has never been a Democrat until scant weeks ago, and he constantly denigrated the party for decades. That's the very definition of interloper.
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