HRC or Bernie, a quick show of hands...and O'Malley too

[Ned_Devine]

Last edited Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:48 AM - Edit history (2)

I keep reading that "more people prefer HRC and that's just how it is." Maybe we can put it to the test here and have supporters check in on this thread so we can do a head count. It's not a national cross section, I'm aware. But it will give us an idea of how many supporters of each candidate there are on this site and will hopefully shed some light on all the intense bickering going on. So, if everyone would please respond with a simple Hillary or Bernie and nothing else that would be great. Also, just respond once so we can get a decent headcount.

thanks,
Brian

And if you can, try to just post Hillary or Bernie and stay away from commentary to keep this civil. Thanks

On Edit: The reason I didn't mention O'Malley in this was because he doesn't appear to be the target of any of the vitriol that goes back and forth on this site. You're more than welcome to put his name there if you are an O'Malley supporter. I truly wasn't trying to exclude you.

Thanks to all the Hillary supporters that checked in too. I appreciate it.

To all the Bernie supporters here on DU; When you feel like you're being ganged up on in some threads, just go back to this thread and realize how many Bernie supporters there are on this site and take comfort. Also, stay away from using words like "Hill-bots" and so on. It does nothing to elevate the conversation. Just stay strong and do everything you can to get your candidate elected.

To all the Hillary supporters here on DU; Keep up the good fight. I know you believe strongly in your candidate and that you're outnumbered here on this site so sometimes it must feel like you have to be as vocal as possible. That's cool. Just be aware that some of the gloating can be offensive and annoying to all of these Bernie supporters. There's no need to condescend to anyone here. Just keep doing what you can to get your candidate elected.

[bigwillq]

1. Bernie

But I would be cool with O'Malley, or pretty much any other D. Just not Hillary.

[ruffburr]

2. Bernie for Me

[bobbobbins01]

3. Bernie

[JTFrog]

4. Why? DU chooses Sanders just like they chose Kucinich.

DU is not representative of the real world. Sorry, that's just the facts.

[SheilaT]

76. DU did not choose Kucinich.

There was a small, somewhat vocal group of people who liked him a lot, but they were not in the sorts of sheer numbers the Bernie supporters are here.

[NurseJackie]

5. My guess is that Bernie fans outnumber Hillary supporters at this web site. I think it's safe …

… to assume that the people who gather here do so in proportions that exceed the percentage that will be found in real life. It's an interesting exercise, but the results shown here won't reflect what is likely to happen in the voting booth.

(Also, it's quite possible that some Hillary supporters may have you on ignore and will never see your question.)

[Trajan]

20. I have most vocal Hillary supporters on ignore

Serenity now ....

[frazzled]

27. Is that how it works?

Just tune out anything you disagree with and listen only to the things you want to hear? There's a name for that, and it's not pretty: circle jerk.

I refuse to do that, no matter how crazy it can make me. Because once you start tuning out all the opposing views and form a self-supporting universe, you lose your grip on reality.

[Trajan]

40. At this point, yes ...

Why subject myself to gratuitous ugliness, simply because somebody wants to be an ass ...

I won't tolerate the ugly insults, or the lies, or the exaggeration ... Racist? Sexist? ... Really?

So yes, that is how it works ... To think I used to think those people were nice ... I was wrong ...

[NurseJackie]

28. Vocal doesn't bother me too much. Instead,

it's the ones who appear to lack the ability to string together a coherent thought. Not really serenity, but less tiresome.

[willvotesdem]

43. LOL what is likely to happen in the voting booth..

[sabrina 1]

107. And at pretty much ever major Dem website, AND most of all the many Social Media forums.

But we get it, actual PEOPLE don't count, just old fashioned polls that only poll people with landlines over 50 who have been registered as Dems forever.

The Media deletes their own polls asking their own viewers who won debates, they ignore their own focus groups, and go with the same old methodology which asks more the 70% of people who did NOT watch the debates what THEY think! Lol!

Unscientific people hundreds of thousands of them not to mention tens of thousands of donors to Bernie, none of it matters.

That's fine, I remember this from the last time Hillary ran also.

[NurseJackie]

111. Hi, Sabrina!

But we get it, actual PEOPLE don't count,

I haven't suggested that, have I? If so, it's not what I intended to convey. Or, if that's just a statement about what you actually believe, then I think you're wrong.

I'm confident that reputable polling organizations know how to do their jobs. Individual polls may be exciting or disappointing, specific polling organizations may also have outliers and biased methods (both good and bad) so the trends from all polls are likely to be the most reliable indicator of what's truly going on.

Online polls aren't scientific. Twitter hashtags aren't scientific. Google searches aren't scientific. Never have been, and probably never will be in the foreseeable future. I'm sorry, but that's just the plain truth.

People like Nate Silver might possibly use such factoids when compiling and analyzing all available info, but it's a mistake to draw broad conclusions based on such things. My guess is that pollsters don't actually believe that those things "don't matter" at all, but instead, it's that they don't carry the same weight.

I sympathize with how frustrating it must be for enthusiastic Bernie followers. I'm sure there's a great deal of comfort to be found in online polls at this website. An even MORE comforting poll would be one that's restricted within the confines of the "Bernie Group". But it wouldn't be scientific and wouldn't represent reality.

Regarding landlines and such, I'd be surprised if these polling organizations were completely unaware of landline vs cellphone use in the US, and didn't take such things into consideration.

~ Peace. NJ

[cadmium]

6. 3 Excellent Candidates

I vote for HRC

[Thinkingabout]

7. Clinton

[NorthCarolina]

8. Bernie. eom

[RiverLover]

9. Bernie

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. The most recent tally indicates ...

approximately 85% of DU supports Bernie, with about 13% supporting HRC.

This just shows how out of step DU is from the Democratic Party ... that's, largely, because of an influx, and amplification, of self-described "Independents." It, also, should be noted, that a significant segment of DU:Bernie, has a fairly long history of having nothing positive to say about Democrats, the Democratic Party, or those that are vocal in support of Democrats and the Democratic Party.

So take that as you will.

[Ron Green]

63. Many very active Democrats, including me, have watched with alarm the direction this party

has taken in the past couple of decades and see Bernie's candidacy as a chance to reverse some of the damage. I see the disparity in numbers that you show not as DU being out of step with the party, but as a more active and engaged segment who really think about our future and the need for a new system. Most of the Democratic Party are, to be honest, not involved in the study or even careful observation of politics.

[KingCharlemagne]

135. Bernie - nt

[berni_mccoy]

68. Or...

It could show how out of step and/or bias the polling is

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. Yes, a "polling" of DU ...

Such as this, will always be biased and out of step with real life.

[Blue_In_AK]

77. I've been a Democrat ever since I could vote,

and have good things to say ONLY about Democrats (although, granted, not all), a few independents and no Republicans. Your generalizations are kind of silly.

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. No ...

What is silly is thinking/working so hard to make the generalization about you.

[Blue_In_AK]

83. I'm sure I'm not alone,

but you can think what you want.

[1StrongBlackMan]

86. Clearly, you are not the only one on DU ...

That work really, really hard to be the victim.

[Blue_In_AK]

87. Victim?

Please. You don't know me, and I'm the furthest thing from a victim. You and I just happen to disagree on whom we support in the primary...which is fine, as I said. I believe we're all allowed to have opinions here.

[1StrongBlackMan]

110. True. I don't know you, or anything about you ...

except what you write ... which includes, claiming ownership of a generalized statement about some DUer that you find objectionable.

[Blue_In_AK]

114. I meant no disrespect,

only pointing out that generalizations about a large segment of the DU population are probably not warranted. I personally try very hard not to insult Hillary or her supporters, even though daily I have to check myself.

Anyway, have a nice day. Peace, out.

[mmonk]

11. Bernie.

[Hepburn]

12. BERNIE ALL THE WAY

[bkkyosemite]

13. Bernie

[Kentonio]

14. Bernie.

[Agschmid]

15. Clinton.

But should Bernie be the nominee I'm all in.

[Trajan]

16. Bernie

Absolutely

[CentralMass]

17. Bernie.

[MohRokTah]

18. DU doesn't even come close to being representative of the Democratic Party

So your self choosing internet straw poll is a farce.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Bernie

[deutsey]

21. Bernie

[Half-Century Man]

22. Bernie is my first choice.

O'Mallay is my second.
In the primary.
I'm looking for more abrupt and greater changes.

[FSogol]

23. O'Malley

[Luciferous]

24. Bernie

[stillwaiting]

25. Bernie. nt

[Persondem]

26. Clinton. You obviously have no idea of the recent landscape at DU ...

if you think this "poll" has any value other than to see how tilted DU is.

[think]

29. Bernie

[Sunlei]

30. Both, though I did donate to Bernie because he needed the money to be heard across the D'lands.

[SamKnause]

31. Bernie

[Koinos]

32. O'Malley

Ignoring him won't make him or his substantial and comprehensive policy statements go away.

Why not edit your thread topic to include him?

[JonLeibowitz]

33. Bernie

[litlbilly]

34. Bernie

[monmouth4]

35. Bernie

[Samantha]

37. Bernie

[onecaliberal]

38. Bernie

[NowSam]

39. Bernie

Man of the people. Consistent on the issues.

[MissDeeds]

41. Bernie

[Duckhunter935]

42. Bernie

[prayin4rain]

44. Clinton

[jeepers]

45. Bernie

[broiles]

46. Bernie

[Faux pas]

47. Bernie!

[TwilightGardener]

48. Bernie.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

49. I'm fine with either.

Bernie would be nice because it would signal the country is ready for some real socialist type change.

I was a Hillary supporter in 2008 so I will run, not walk, to the polls to vote for her if she is the nominee.

I can't bring myself to say anything bad about any of the candidates. I just can't figure how DUers can tear eachother and the candidates apart. Sad.

On a related note... I know this isn't the most mature thing, but the Clintons back in The White House is going to cause some massive coranries, brain hemorages and assorted meltdowns of some freepers I know. I can't wait to see the Big Dog stroll out on the White House lawn in his robe to get the Sunday paper. Lol. Yeah, I said it wasn't the most mature thing.

Not that Obama didn't cause heartburn. I had these arguments with Obama supporters in 2008 who swore Obama would "bring everybody together" - LOL yeah right. They hate us no matter who is in office and they don't consider Democrats "legitimate".

[olddots]

50. Bernie Sanders

the idealist and realist not the defeatist .

[HDSam]

51. Bernie

Sanders

[Rebkeh]

52. Bernie eom

[woodsprite]

53. Bernie

[Lil Missy]

54. DU does not represent the Real World. In the Real World, HRC is the clear preference of Democrats.

[hay rick]

55. Bugs for Bernie.

My order of preference is Bernie, O'M, Hillary.

I think the overwhelming support for Bernie on DU is indicative of the preference of grassroots activists, not necessarily Democratic voters. Hillary's problem is that the activists will still vote for her if she gets the nomination but they are likely to put their efforts into down ticket races. If Hillary is lucky she might benefit from reverse coat tails. Speaking for myself, I do not expect to work directly for Hillary's campaign if she is nominated, but I expect to work on two down ticket Democratic campaigns and voter turnout.

[AlbertCat]

122. I think the overwhelming support for Bernie on DU is indicative of the preference of grassroots acti

Hillary™ has name recognition. That is what her numbers mean. The media plays on this and practically ignores other candidates.

It's kinda a VHS over Betamax thing.

[elleng]

56. O'Malley

and I/we appreciate the reason you didn't mention him. Hope things stay that way.

[Betty Karlson]

57. Bernie. eom

[efilon]

58. Bernie

[Jester Messiah]

59. Bernie. [nt]

[Corey_Baker08]

60. Clinton

[NuclearDem]

61. O'Malley.

[mmonk]

62. I'm glad you added O'Malley. Fair is fair

[FSogol]

69. +1. n/t

[Fearless]

64. Bernie only.

[bench scientist]

65. Bernie

[berni_mccoy]

66. Bernie

I'll hold my nose for Clinton if she's the nominee.

[kenfrequed]

67. Bernie

He is the best candidate on the overwhelming majority of the issues.

[Recursion]

70. O'Malley

[ThePhilosopher04]

71. Bernie, and only Bernie.

[TM99]

73. Sanders. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

74. Bernie.

And I know Facebook isn't scientific, but he seems to be the clear favorite among my friends, as well. Birds of a feather...

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. BERNIE! And just so you know, Bernie supporters on DU, FAR outnumber Clinton supporters.

By a HUGE MARGIN. Just like the population as a whole.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Ned_Devine]

78. Thanks for all of the responses

For the most part, everyone followed the basic rules and just posted a name without explanation and I appreciate that. It keeps there from being a whole lot of back and forth shouting, because that's not what this was about. There of course were some who posted the name and their reasons, and I like your passion, but just a name would be sufficient. And then there were only a few posters who missed the point completely and used it as a chance to undermine the point of this thread. Luckily there were only a few of them.

Thanks

[Melurkyoulongtime]

79. Bernie nt

[SheilaT]

80. Bernie.

And as unscientific as this little poll is, I suspect it reflects the strong support out there for him. DUers are invariably much more involved in politics than the rest of the world at large. We pay attention to candidates and their positions and so on long before the average voter, many of whom don't even realize there's going to be a Presidential election until Halloween. So we are way ahead of the curve on name recognition. And at this point, there still is a strong name recognition factor happening, although that's steadily becoming less of an issue.

Keep in mind that at this point eight years ago, Barack Obama was still trailing Hillary Clinton by significant double digits. And all the Hillary supporters back then kept on assuring us that she was inevitable, and that there was practically no point in going to the bother of having caucuses and primaries. This year they are telling us the same comforting thing: Hillary is Inevitable, and get over it.

She's not inevitable, and while the support here for Bernie is probably even greater than it will wind up being in the outside world, I do think he's going to be a huge surprise to Hillary and her supporters.

[merrily]

84. Supposedly, nothing on online, including DU, KOS and online polls, reflect the hearts and minds

of the public in general. DU and KOS do seem reflect the hearts and minds of Democrats who actually follow politics closely, but, sadly, many voters cannot name the VP, let alone the Speaker of the House--even when it was still Boehner.

[MineralMan]

85. Hillary. Enjoy the ECHO...

Echo...echo..

[Ned_Devine]

88. You just can't resist. Try reading the directions in the OP that everyone else followed

[Blue_In_AK]

89. I apologize for my tiny bit of commentary.

I can delete if you'd like.

[Ned_Devine]

91. At least you said who you preferred and then commented, so you were half right :)

[MineralMan]

90. DU Threads are DU threads. DU directions apply to them all.

I don't have to resist. I just post.

[MineralMan]

94. Another personal attack? You seen to be escalating the namecalling.

Yesterday I was a dick. Today I'm a prick and a jerk who posts "asshole-ish" things.

Just to let you know, I never alert on personal attacks on me.

[Ned_Devine]

95. Neither do I

I didn't set this thing up to be a pissing contest between you and me. I wanted to see if we could start a thread based on just writing in the name of the candidate they preferred and nothing else. It was a way to get a sense of who DU is comprised of. You came along and decided to not say who you preferred in the primary, but rather "Enjoy the echo...echo...echo". Maybe in your mind that was the funniest thing imaginable to write. Again, I can't pretend to know what goes on in your brain. To me, it just seems like an asshole-ish thing to do. You know, like what a bully would do.

[mythology]

112. You're rather presumptuous

Nobody has to do what you tell them. It's telling that you resorted to childish name calling.

[restorefreedom]

93. bernie nt

[highprincipleswork]

96. Bernie

[quickesst]

97. If you have a 100....

...chocolate lovers and 10 strawberry lovers, then ask which they prefer, how do you think that will turn out. Not the best venue for an even-handed poll.

[Lancero]

99. And those that like chocolate covered strawberries?

Despite the rhetoric flying around from both sides, I'd think that both realize that any Democrat would be better then whatever the Circus side-show that the RNC is running could barf up.

[quickesst]

115. Of course...

.... you are correct. My statement had everything to do with logic, and absolutely nothing to do with politics. Like most here I have my preference for nomination, but will support and vote for the dem nominee no matter who it is. I am a Democrat.

[John_Doe80004]

98. Sanders 1st (preferred) choice

but will vote HRC. anything is better than anyone from the Republican Circus

[taught_me_patience]

100. Hillary

Bernie runs 90% on DU and 25% in real life among Democrats.

[Warren Stupidity]

101. Bernie.

[Mz Pip]

102. It doesn't matter.

I live in CA. Our primary isn't until June. The candidate will be decided way before I vote. So I've decided to keep my blood pressure down and not get caught up in the primary wars.

[jwirr]

103. Bernie.

[Zen Democrat]

104. I Feel the Bern

[azmom]

105. Bernie

[sabrina 1]

106. Bernie!

[Oilwellian]

108. Bernie, of course. n/t

[Z_California]

109. Bernie

But will vote D no matter what.

[roguevalley]

116. I take it and raise you 35K posts. I would have to say given that bernie is riding high here

its because he is. There isn't some weird migration to this site from anyone. People just prefer him 80%+. No tin foil hats here. Sometimes a lead is just a lead.

[roguevalley]

117. Oh and bernie. :D

[liberal_at_heart]

118. Bernie.

[MrMickeysMom]

119. Bernie

[LiberalAndProud]

121. Bernie.

Honest to goodness, I don't know anyone who plans to primary for Hillary IRL. I believe that's significant.

[Dem2]

123. Hilernie

Nomalley.

[tzar paul]

124. Dean

Howard, that is.

[Ned_Devine]

134. Right on! It was tough for me to let go of Dean in 2004

He's still the biggest reason I got interested in politics

[tzar paul]

136. and, unlike DWS, he knows how to wiun elections nt

[Jim Lane]

125. Undecided between O'Malley and Sanders.

[Dandilions]

126. Bern baby Bern !!! .....

It's a disco inferno

Bern baby Bern !!!

[beam me up scottie]

127. Vermonster for Bernie here!

[stone space]

128. Bernie. (nt)

[kristopher]

129. Bernie, of course.

[Art_from_Ark]

130. Bernie!

[Kalidurga]

131. Bernie

[MFM008]

132. Support the NOMINEE

Im for HRC but will vote for the nominee. If we DONT SUPPORT THE DEM NOMINEE we will hand the fate of the world over to republicans who should be in straight jackets with a republican congress. So lets back ourselves into a corner and say if MY person isnt the nominee im not voting. Then go ahead because you will be MOVING to get away from a President Trump, Carson, Rubio or Bush.

[jopacaco]

133. Bernie! NT