Hillary Clinton REVIVES STORY Of Trying To Join The Marines

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Manchester, New Hampshire (CNN)As the U.S. Marine Corps turns 240 years old this week, Hillary Clinton dusted off an old story that has previously been met with skepticism: When the Yale-educated lawyer moved to Arkansas in 1975, she says she tried to join the Marines. She laughed Tuesday, the day before Veterans Day, as she recalled being turned away by a recruiter.

"He looks at me and goes, 'Um, how old are you,'" Clinton said at an event in New Hampshire. "And I said, 'Well I am 26, I will be 27.' And he goes, 'Well, that is kind of old for us.' And then he says to me, and this is what gets me, 'Maybe the dogs will take you,' meaning the Army."

It's an open question whether the Marines would turn a woman away, especially someone who had an accomplished background like Clinton. According to the Women Marines Association, The Marine Corps Women's Reserve was established in 1943 and female reservists were deployed to Korean in 1950. And by 1975, according to the association, the Marine Corps allowed women to serve in all occupational fields except infantry, artillery, armor and pilot/air crew.

Clinton made the comments a breakfast with voters at a forum called the "Candidate Café," sponsored by WMUR-TV. It was not open to other reporters, but a clip of the event was posted on the station's website. A Clinton spokesman declined to comment to CNN about further details on the incident.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/hillary-clinton-marine-army-recruit-2016-election/index.html

[SwampG8r]

1. It's pathological

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

7. Kinda sad...Hillary's allergic to the truth.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[TM99]

18. If I say what it really is,

I risk a hide again from the posse like last time.

It is quite obvious what she is and why she lies so. And after decades of this, is it any wonder that the majority of Americans do not trust her?

[TM99]

115. It appears that they may share some

character and personality traits, yes, perhaps.

[leveymg]

134. I don't want either near the nuclear button. They both give me a bad gut feeling.

Not just being in campaign mode about that.

[Romulox]

162. Been meaning to ask you: do you make electronic music? nt

[TM99]

181. Yes, I do.

Not enough signature space for all the DAW's I work with.

[Enthusiast]

110. I've seen this condition before. I don't like it.

[merrily]

156. What's to like?

[randys1]

111. It sounds like bullshit for sure, but pathological?

[merrily]

154. ONE highly implausible story may be bullshit.

A pattern of lies told publicly by a public figure that are easily exposed by fact checking may well indicate something more serious.

[Hepburn]

2. Wow...

...the marine story: That dog don't hunt.

JMHO

[Vattel]

57. I like the dog barking at the fly. Nice touch.

[Hepburn]

173. Thanks!

What is so funny about it is that is exactly what my Scottie does!

[Segami]

3. But, but,...she has combat experience......

Another bullshit breakfast served up hot!

[TheFarS1de]

224. But always remember ...

[JaneyVee]

4. So she's not allowed to share stories of her past?

[Segami]

5. Sure,...let her share her Bosnia story with us again..

yes, please tell.

[JaneyVee]

10. Is there some point you're trying to make?

Are you angry that she tried joining the Marines in 1975?

[merrily]

93. Not angry, but that story is highly implausible.

[karynnj]

109. The story is highly unlikely - 1975 is the year she married Bill Clinton

Consider she went to Arkansas to be with Bill Clinton - why would she then join the marines? Not to mention, this is 1975 - after she and Bill worked the McGovern campaign and she was anti-war. 1975 was the end of the Vietnam War, but the story makes no sense -- and when added to other Clinton stories - like sniper fire in Bosnia -- it is not credible.

[merrily]

119. Great point, karynnj.

[leveymg]

139. The timing also strikes me as bizarre. It really casts into doubt her left-wing credential building

of the previous 5-6 years. The Goldwater Girl was coming back, or is this tale complete Bullshit? There seems to be something a bit amiss about her legend going back a long way. What happened in 1975 - enlistment doesn't seem to fit the rest of what was going on in her life at the time. Certainly suggests she wanted to leave Bill, and some major mood swings:

In 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.[57] Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum,[38] Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.[57] The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.[57]

By then, Rodham was viewed as someone with a bright political future: Democratic political organizer and consultant Betsey Wright had moved from Texas to Washington the previous year to help guide her career,[58] and Wright thought Rodham had the potential to become a future senator or president.[59] Meanwhile, Clinton had repeatedly asked Rodham to marry him and she continued to demur.[60] After failing the District of Columbia bar exam[61] and passing the Arkansas exam, Rodham came to a key decision. As she later wrote, "I chose to follow my heart instead of my head".[62] She thus followed Bill Clinton to Arkansas, rather than staying in Washington, where career prospects were brighter. He was then teaching law and running for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in his home state. In August 1974, Rodham moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas, and became one of only two female faculty members in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville.[63][64] She gave classes in criminal law, where she was considered a rigorous teacher and tough grader, and was the first director of the school's legal aid clinic.[65] She still harbored doubts about marriage, concerned that her separate identity would be lost and that her accomplishments would be viewed in the light of someone else's.[66]

Early Arkansas years

Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton bought a house in Fayetteville in the summer of 1975 and Hillary finally agreed to marry.[68] Their wedding took place on October 11, 1975, in a Methodist ceremony in their living room.[69] A story about the marriage in the Arkansas Gazette indicated that she was retaining the name Hillary Rodham.[69][70] The motivation was to keep the couple's professional lives separate and avoid apparent conflicts of interest and because, as she told a friend at the time, "it showed that I was still me."[71] The decision did upset both their mothers.[72] Bill Clinton had lost the congressional race in 1974, but in November 1976 was elected Arkansas Attorney General, and so the couple moved to the state capital of Little Rock.[73] There, in February 1977, Rodham joined the venerable Rose Law Firm,

[merrily]

152. Bit of a puff piece filled with convenient phrases, eh, wot?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. Love that pile of crap story! What a brave hero!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[TM99]

16. Of course she is.

She and Carson seem to have a lot in common with made up stories about trying to join the military.

At least he did not lie about being under sniper fire.

[JaneyVee]

31. Where does anyone say it's made up?

And while you're at it, find us proof that Bernie "marched with MLK".

[TM99]

33. You are so funny!

Keep defending lies. It speaks volumes about your character and the character whom you put your faith and trust in.

[JaneyVee]

34. First you need proof that it's a lie.

Welcome to reality. Now go find us proof that Bernie marched with MLK.

[TM99]

37. Thanks for playing.

The marine story has been met with skepticism since she first trotted it out.

There are no doubts that Sanders attended the march on Washington by MLK.

Stay focused on the true reality, not the one you imagine is real.

[JaneyVee]

44. No doubts? I have doubts.

[TM99]

45. Then you apparently have worse problems

if you will trust a known liar over a known honest and consistent person.

We are done here.

[msongs]

63. proof? we don't need no stinking proof. all we need iss ALLCAPS lol nt

[TM99]

70. Proof is right in front of y'all.

Perhaps you should open your eyes, clear your preconceptions, and oh, I don't know, look at it?

[AgingAmerican]

136. Willful ignorance

They openly refuse to educate themselves. Self induced low information voters.

[merrily]

84. A former sincere Bernie Group member, opining on credibility.

[Aerows]

36. You will find that many veterans

take stolen valor very fucking seriously. To do this the day before Veterans Day is beyond insensitive and, to put it plainly, dumb.

She has absolutely no business being President with such a lousy sense of judgment and decorum.

Go ahead and defend it if you wish to do so, but I would never demean myself enough to justify stolen valor no matter who was the person doing so.

[KingCharlemagne]

245. I wish you would fashion this post into an OP. Some of the younger members might profit

from a kind, but firm, schooling on this matter.

[tazkcmo]

259. This veteran concurs.

Pair this steaming pile of manure with it's companion pile, Bosnian sniper fire, and you have a doubling down of valor fraud. The only thing she knows about valor is how to spell it.

[merrily]

95. It's highly implausible.

[LiberalArkie]

138. 25 Things You May Not Know About Bernie Sanders

*Bernie Sanders entered into politics through the civil rights movement, more than a half century ago. He organized with CORE (the Congress of Racial Equality) in Chicago, and led a sit-in against segregated housing as far back as 1962.

*According to John Nichols of The Nation, Sanders is one of only 2 sitting U.S. Senators who actually attended the 1963 March on Washington, and saw Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., give his “I Have A Dream” speech in person. (The other is Mitch McConnell, believe it or not...) At the time, Sanders was an organizer for SNCC (the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee).

*Bernie Sanders is one of the only elected White officeholders who endorsed Jesse Jackson for President (twice!). In 1984, he got slapped at a rally when he endorsed Jackson (though the slap was probably for remaining an Independent Socialist, rather than a Democrat). In 1988, Sanders and his organizers helped Jackson win a surprise victory in the Vermont caucuses--by one state delegate. In Jesse’s memorable phrase, Bernie Sanders & Jim Hightower were among the few elected White officeholders brave enough to “cross the color line” to support him when it mattered.

Snip

http://pdafund.com/component/k2/item/70-25-things-you-may-not-know-about-bernie-sanders

[cui bono]

41. Let's be fair...

at least Hillary never left a sponge inside anyone.

[840high]

54. Yes she can - we all love

hearing about Bosnia.

[Divernan]

301. Incoming! Duck & Cover! Run for your lives!

[merrily]

81. She's not allowed implausible fabrications.

[Art_from_Ark]

242. Why on Earth would she want to join the marines

just after she had married a rising star in the Arkansas Democratic Party?

[KingCharlemagne]

247. Given Bill's other post-nuptial behavior, should we really

be asking or considering this question?

[artislife]

270. And yet you have a questioning OP with Bernies sharing a story of his past

Now that I have filtered out so many swatters, I get to see all your posts without the maddening crowds around them. They are very interesting in tactics.

[virtualobserver]

6. 1. Sniper fire jr. or

2. Her job as assistant professor of law at the University of Arkansas must have really sucked

or 3. Bill must have done something to really piss her off.

ding ding ding ding ding ding!

[Divernan]

277. And having freshly failed the DC bar exam and fled to Arkansas -

If true, it says to me she was desperately searching for some way to (1) get out of Arkansas without (2) revealing to her friends and family that she had failed the DC Bar.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/barexam.asp

[virtualobserver]

279. I didn't know about that detail

That changes my view of all of this.....

She was just trying to figure out her life given the narrowing options.

She didn't necessarily want to spend it with Bill.

[Divernan]

280. One wonders what adventures he was having in Arkansas back then.

[winter is coming]

292. OTOH, she wouldn't be the first person who flunked the bar exam the first time out.

And what good would passing it in DC do her in Arkansas? Don't most states have their own exams?

[Divernan]

295. She took both the same summer. Failed DC;passed Ark., moved to Ark.

And didn't, for some 30 years, tell even her closest friends she'd failed the DC bar. Some very fine lawyers have to retake a bar exam. (My first supervising attorney failed the bar twice before passing it, and ended up president of the Pittsburgh Trial Academy.) But then they have the self-confidence to handle their peers and friends and family knowing they'd failed the first time around.

HRC appears to me to be a person who will do anything to succeed, and admitting failure is something she simply cannot do.

And although her history bills her as a staff attorney on the Watergate congressional committee, she actually couldn't have held that title unless she'd passed the DC bar.

She needed to pass the DC bar to apply for govt. jobs there. Once she moved to Ark. and got admission to the bar there, she could then have applied for reciprocity admission to practice in DC courts, but then the legal and government community would know she'd failed the DC bar.

She implied she headed to Arkansas to be with Bill, with never a hint that this was her Plan B, after failing the DC Bar. With her ARK license was able to practice law there. And this story that she tried to join the military fits in with that. I doubt she ever told her hyper-critical, domineering father she'd failed, and I wonder if Bill even knew she'd failed the DC bar.

[dorkzilla]

305. Interesting...so she also made up being a “staff attorney” on the Watergate committee?

I wonder if that “fib” has its genesis in her trying to cover up the fact that she failed the DC bar exam...either way...

[Divernan]

309. She's described as being 27 when working for the Watergate Committee in 1974.

She was working for Marion Wright Edelman when she took time off to study for the bar, and while waiting for the results. She got notice she'd failed the DC Bar in November & went to work for the Watergate Committee the following Spring. The circumstances of her conduct thereon (files on legal precedents went "missing&quot & departure therefrom are quite controversial. Google Jerry Zeifman (the general counsel and chief of staff to the Watergate Committee) and Hillary Clinton.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/clinton-watergate/

In the spring of 1974, Rodham became a member of the presidential impeachment inquiry staff, advising the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives during the Watergate Scandal.

(Chief Counsel Jerry Zeifman would later contend that he fired Clinton from the committee for what he deemed as unethical professional behavior connected to Nixon's due process. These allegations have been contradicted by other media sources that deny Zeifman's authority over the young attorney at this time, with no comment from Clinton herself.)

After President Richard M. Nixon resigned in August, she became a faculty member of the University of Arkansas Law School in Fayetteville, where her Yale Law School classmate and boyfriend Bill Clinton was teaching as well.
http://www.biography.com/people/hillary-clinton-9251306#early-years

[NCTraveler]

8. The Marines can be an extremely hostile place for women today.

And here you are talking about 1975 and making it out as if she lied with not one single thing to back you up. Have you seen the fucking rape stats from the armed services recently? Have you seen How the top brass are still trying to fuck women over? You little smilie is a one hundred percent assessment of your character in this instance. It shows you aren't just bringing a story here.

[JaneyVee]

9. Not to mention this was Arkansas 1975.

Even way more hostile to women.

[NCTraveler]

14. I really wish I could say what I want to about this.

There is not one single thing in the op to back up the insinuation. Nothing. These fucks truly think recruiters wouldn't turn away a women back then. The system is still extremely oppressive to women today. This op is absolutely no different than the person at the Rally Sanders was speaking at who yelled "race problems have been taken care of" at the amazingly courageous Marissa. Yes. Marissa who has been called a racist here over and over again. Now here we are with some insinuating that military recruiters offices were fine and dandy to women back then. That is the insinuation because they make the accusation and then back it up in no way at all. I actually wouldn't be offended if it weren't for the wise ass little smilie. The op knows this to be the case. Zero difference by yelling "equality for women has been reached." I'm really getting the point these assholes are shoving in our faces. It is what many in the AA community here told me months ago. It is a movement that has been co-opted by Paulites. Economic destruction or bust.

[leveymg]

142. It's interesting that you don't seem the least bit troubled by what it seems to say about her,

one way or the other, true or not. At the very least, it shows she took at least a step toward leaving Bill just a few months before they were married, and she considered bailing out of her professional life in Arkansas. What was that all about? She seems to have at least had some sort of issue, trauma and instability. Some major mood swings. Not in itself disqualifying but part of a picture of who HRC really is. Certainly worth finding out more about this story.

This is all assuming this isn't made up, which would put her in the back of the van in a straight jacket with Ben Carson.

[Rose Siding]

267. Interesting that you portray joining the service as "leaving" a loved one.

I know some fine people who'd call bull shit on that.

[leveymg]

268. She doesn't fit the profile of someone who sees the military as a career move.

If this tale is true, joining the Marines may have seemed a way out. But, it is radically out of line with the rest of what we are allowed to know about her life at that time. Peculiar.

[artislife]

272. Thank you for following the lead

and exposing what series of thought must have been going on for this "incident" to have taken place in her life at that time.

[KoKo]

285. Agree....it just doesn't fit and is worrisome

in connection with some of her past statements that have turned out not to be quite truthful.

Can't imagine why she would say something like this when she is having such a good run after the Repub E-Mail/Benghazi Hearings fell on their face after the McCarthy's statement about political motivation.

Why now? Can she just not contain an urge to exaggerate? Or, did she mean it as a joke ("I tried to join the Marines)--and yet no one can understand the humor? Also, for her to put in a reference that Marines refer to Army as "the Dogs." What???

I thought her saying (in a CBS interview) "We Came...We Saw...He Died" about Gaddafi's killing was freakish... particularly with her laughing about it. It made me wonder if there's some side of her that has inappropriate exaggeration outbursts in public moments that she can't control.

[leveymg]

288. Meant it as a joke? Of course, that explains everything!

One thing that always made me feel assured by Obama is that he wouldn't tell a joke without a meeting, first.

Not so much with Hillary, who falls backwards in her chair at her own spontaneous mirth. Like the time with Lesley Stahl . . .

[KoKo]

293. Perhaps....

it's something compulsory with her...because she does seem to find many things funny about serious issues that others might take the wrong way and even find deeply offensive but it never seems to deter her.

[elehhhhna]

211. The mil was trying very hard to attract high quality females in the 70s.

Fact. And recruiters have quotas. She's full of beans imo.

[artislife]

271. That is a meme

I believe we have Paulites, sure. I believe the first wave (I include myself) came from the Warren camp of destroy the hold Big Money has in our lives and in politics. The Warren faction is the base of the Bernie Sanders movement. But what we have along with destroying the domination of Big Money is the why. We are community based in thinking. We believe that your kids are our responsibility, too.

A lot of us also care about the environment and what is happening to this planet in the next 100 years. Hillary is tepid, while we need urgent, huge action. Is Bernie the best? No. But at least he thinks it to be the biggest problem we face. And it is, imo

So yes, we want to destroy the strangle hold of Big Money. It is for many of the followers because what Big Money shuts out of the conversation and actions this country takes. There are those who just want their individual situations to be better. But that is a faction in any group of supporters.

Hillary has people in her supporters who only care about one thing or one other thing, too.

[Segami]

13. Your distortions only reflect your motives and intent.

get yourself a cup of warm milk and sleep it off....

I will serenade you into Zzzzland....

[NCTraveler]

15. If promoting this bullshit makes you feel better.

Seems it clearly does. I didn't distort one single thing.

[Segami]

19. Do you have a link to support

your claim that this CNN story is bullshit as you claim?

[Segami]

21. Hillary is liar....would you agree with that statement, yes or no?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

219. "These fucks." "These assholes."

Ooh doggy, your OP has struck a *major* chord.

And Marissa can kiss my tight white ass. I'll stick with the inclusive NC NAACP Moral Mondays crowd.

[ibegurpard]

22. what the fuck does that have to do

With someone alleging that she's lying about this story???

[NCTraveler]

25. Figure it out.

There is no real allegation. Please read. There is just nothing there but a right wing hit job. Really screwed up that you have to even ask what it has to do with it. This is one hundred percent a "prove you don't beat your wife" story. Nothing more.

[ibegurpard]

29. what I'm asking

Is what the allegation has to do with violence against women???
That kind of garbage minimizes a very real and deadly problem!

[6chars]

229. no real allegation!

that's the key to this story. it's about nothing. maybe she did, maybe she was curious about being a military lawyer, who knows? it's not like anyone can produce a witness. there are dozens of minor events without witnesses in any politician's biography, and even as those go, this is innoccuous.

[Divernan]

282. JAG applicants are at least 26 years old!

Ya know! Cause they would have had to (1) finish law school, (2) study for and pass a state bar exam (HRC failed the DC exam, but passed the Arkansas exam, (3) have been admitted to a state or federal appellate court.

So this bizarre statement that she was told by a recruited she was too old?

Absolutely unbelievable.

[bunnies]

12. I actually wouldnt be surprised if this were true given the hawkish views she tends toward.

She's never claimed to be anti-war, has she?

[winter is coming]

48. Kind of odd that you would suddenly discover a desire to join the military after law school.

If you're that into military service, why not do ROTC in college? And if your desire is that strong after law school, why give up at the first rejection? Why not join the Army? (Or Navy or Air Force, but I'm not sure what presence they have in Arkansas.)

[bunnies]

50. I agree with you.

The decision to do that at that time is surely an odd one. I certainly find this story tough to swallow. But Ive come to learn that anything is possible when it comes to Hillary Clinton. WTF moments abound, especially with her "stories".

[winter is coming]

53. The thing that gets me...

Even if this is true, Veteran's Day + Marine Anniversary apparently inspired her to cough up a story about herself, not about anyone who is or was a Marine vet. Talk about spending too much time tuned to the Me Channel.

[bunnies]

58. yep. 1000%.

But why waste a perfect opportunity to tell another tale of how she was kept down / held back by men?

[frylock]

103. HILLARY 2016: Me!

Yeah, that stood out for me as well.

[KingCharlemagne]

249. Well, she was a signature member of the "Me Generation" (hat tip

to Tom Wolfe).

[KoKo]

317. She didn't need to do this...but, she puts this out there making her look like

"Foot in Mouth" Problem?

She either did it for Attention or there's something else going on with her.

"Riding High in the Polls" and she does this? Dragging up what she had to know would be PUSH BACK against other ambiguous and false fact checked statements in the past that has caused her problems on the "Truthfulness Scale.

Did she think she'd get a Pass on This?

[jeff47]

59. And why wouldn't the marines direct you towards a JAG position

if you were 1) an attorney and 2) "too old" to be a rifleman.

[winter is coming]

60. I'd be amazed if they wouldn't. n/t

[Segami]

67. Women Marines...

"...By the height of the Vietnam War, there were about 2,700 women Marines served both stateside and overseas. By 1975, the Corps approved the assignment of women to all occupational fields except infantry, artillery, armor and pilot/air crew. Over 1,000 women Marines were deployed in Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm in 1990-1991.

According to the 2012 demographic report women make up 7.11% of the Marine Corps. They are integrated into nearly all Military Occupational Specialties with the exception of offensive combat. They serve globally and proudly carry on the traditions of those first trailblazers as they continue to open doors for future Marines to follow..."

https://www.womenmarines.org/wm_history.aspx

I guess The Marines Office just couldn't find anything (stateside or overseas) suitable for Hillary's qualifications........

[Cosmic Kitten]

94. ^^^ding ding WINNER^^^

59. And why wouldn't the marines direct you towards a JAG position

That is EXACTLY the right answer.

Air Force or Navy makes the most sense.

Marines

[merrily]

157. I'm sure she has a good explanation for why she did not try the Army, as the recruiter

suggested. Why she tried only the branch whose slogan was something like "All we want is a few good men."

[Divernan]

278. Law grads apply directly to JAG recruiters of a particular service

Not the local Main Street recruiter who deals with high school students.

And of course, said law grads are at least 24 years old, so her age would not have been a detriment, as reported in her "story". Actually, since they must also have passed a state bar exam and been admitted to an appellate level court, make that minimum age 26 or 27! So she was exactly the right age.

Meet the requirements to become a Judge Advocate General.

The applicant must be a U.S. citizen.
The applicant must show proof of graduating from an American Bar Association (ABA) approved law school.
The transcript must show an LL.B. (Bachelor of Laws) or JD (Juris Doctorate) has been earned.
Admittance to the bar to practice in a U.S. federal or a state supreme or appellate court is needed.
A background check must be passed for clearance and security purposes.
The applicant must be willing to serve a 4-year tour of duty.
An officer must be mentally and physically fit.
An applicant must be under age 42 at time of submitting application.

[merrily]

281. Except for the age issue, I am not sure what your reply has to do with my post?

As to the age issue, though, according to her story, the year was 1975, meaning she had just turned 28 a few weeks before the events she describes, yet said she told the recruiter she was 26, soon to be 27.

[Divernan]

283. Point taken - I meant to add further info that her story makes no sense.

Perhaps could have found a better place in the thread for it.

[merrily]

284. No, no, no. Replying to me was fine. I was just puzzled at first. I get it now.

Yes, the story makes no sense from any perspective.

[winter is coming]

294. Had she passed anyone's bar exam at that time? n/t

[Divernan]

296. She'd failed DC Bar; passed Arkansas bar BEFORE she moved to ARK.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/15/chain-email/she-failed-then-followed-bill/

In his biography of Hillary Clinton, former Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein notes that in the summer of 1973, 817 people took the Washington, D.C., bar exam; 551 of them passed. Hillary Rodham was not one of them.

"For the first time in her life she had flamed out — spectacularly, given the expectations of others for her, and even more so her own," Bernstein wrote.

Bernstein said Clinton kept the news hidden for 30 years and shocked some of her closest friends when she made the revelation with a passing reference in her 2003 autobiography, Living History. She even spins it into a positive.

"Despite the satisfaction of my work, I was lonely and missed Bill more than I could stand," she wrote. "I had taken both the Arkansas and Washington, D.C., bar exams during the summer, but my heart was pulling me toward Arkansas. When I learned that I passed in Arkansas but failed in D.C., I thought that maybe my test scores were telling me something." So she followed Bill Clinton to Arkansas. She became a faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, where Bill Clinton also taught. And in 1975, the two married.

Wrote Bernstein: "There can only be conjecture about what turn her life — and the nation's — might have taken had she not failed the exam."

[Divernan]

299. More detail on timing of bar failure/ move to Arkansas.

[Hillary] had accepted an exciting job opportunity in Cambridge, Massachusetts, at the organization Marian Wright Edelman had recently founded, the Children's Defense Fund. When Bill and Hillary parted after her brief stay in Arkansas, their situation seemed totally unsettled.

Not long thereafter, on July 23 and 24, Hillary took the D.C. bar exam, according to records of the District of Columbia Bar Association. In Cambridge, she rented rooms not far from the Harvard campus. It was the first time in her life she had lived alone. She didn't like it.

On November 3, the District of Columbia Bar Association notified Hillary that she had failed the bar exam. For the first time in her life, she had flamed out — spectacularly, given the expectations of others for her, and even more so on her own. Of 817 applicants, 551 of her peers had passed, most from law schools less prestigious than Yale. She kept this news hidden for the next thirty years. She never took the exam again, despite many opportunities. Her closest friends and associates were flabbergasted when she made the revelation in a single throwaway line in Living History.

Those who knew her best speculated that she must have felt deep shame at her failure, and that her self-confidence — always so visible a part of her exterior — was shattered by the experience (though many first-rate lawyers, even Yale Law graduates, had flunked the bar on their first try).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/barexam.asp

[treestar]

246. why not?

Why is that not possible? Young people learn new things all the time and may find other outlets than they previously thought of. Each military branch has lawyers. And why wouldn't one think perhaps that all military is the same as to women? In fact, it is the last bastion of sexism, as the sexists think there is no way around the fact men are stronger than women and so they hold onto the military as the last institution that they can at least facially argue that women can't qualify simply by being women. This is second guessing another person to a large degree such that it indicates intolerance of other people's views and inability to realize they may see things differently.

[winter is coming]

250. It's possible, but not very likely. And it's unlikely the Marines would have turned her down.

As you say, each branch of the military has a need for lawyers. There is no doubt in my mind, none, that if she'd been truly committed to joining the military at this time that someone would have gladly taken her.

[treestar]

253. that the marines of 1975 would try to discourage a female

for anything is not incredible either.

[winter is coming]

257. And we should believe she abandoned all intention to join the military at the first brush-off?

Poor timid forest creature. It's a miracle such a delicate flower got a law degree in the 70s.

[treestar]

260. Maybe

Why not? Looking into it does not mean you were so terribly serious about it. And looking into other things than the military does not make one a "delicate flower." I really do dislike the military concept that only they are strong. It's part of the sexism.

[winter is coming]

263. You know, if I weren't terribly serious about it, I wouldn't drag up the story

of my half-hearted attempt to join the military forty years later, for Veteran's Day. Basically, she's trying to get credit for wanting to join the military without having actually done anything.

[Segami]

51. "...She had made...

"....a celebrated appearance in Life magazine as an anti-establishment commencement speaker at Wellesley College, where, as president of the student government, she had organized teach-ins on her opposition to the Vietnam War.

She was a Yale law school graduate who had worked on the anti-war Presidential campaigns of Eugene J. McCarthy and George McGovern...."

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/15/us/hillary-clinton-says-she-once-tried-to-be-marine.html

[bunnies]

52. What? Ok then. With that her story makes no fucking sense at all.

Those two things do not wash.

[merrily]

137. A month after her wedding? When she was 28?

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[bunnies]

144. If she got married on 10/11...

and went to the recruiter the day before Veterans day, wouldnt that have meant she went less than a month *after* she got married? Either way... I guess the honeymoon was over?

edit: wait... but she turned 27 in October? Fuck. Im dizzy.

[merrily]

145. I went by Reply 69, which has since been edited. Still.....

Guess I should edit my posts, too, lest I mislead anyone.


I cracked myself up writing them, too. Hate to see them go.

[bunnies]

146. Your point still stands though.

And her story doesnt hold water. Married and turned 27 in October, tries to enlist at the age of 26 in November. Maybe she found a wormhole!

[merrily]

147. I bet I can ID the worm, too!

[bunnies]

148. Youre probably not the only one!

[840high]

212. She invented time travel.

[merrily]

161. Born October 1947. Wouldn't she have turned 28 October 26, 1975, before she supposedly tried to

enlist, claiming to be 26? No wonder they rejected her!

[KingCharlemagne]

252. ROTFLMAO - Goddamned Jarheads :) - nt

[99Forever]

17. OMG

[KoKo]

318. ...!

I know.....

[Truprogressive85]

23. This is not good especially on Veterans day

Revision = political talk of for a lie

Will this get as much coverage as Ben Carson lie about the West Point scholarship ( doubt it)

The media's vetting season is under way everything is under a microscope even the "front-runner" is not immune from the heat.

[winter is coming]

42. Apparently, in all the years she was First Lady in Arkansas and in the White House,

she didn't meet any veterans whose stories of actual military service were more compelling than her dubious story of being brushed off by the Marines.

[pinebox]

24. Shocked not shocked

Whatever it takes for her to get into the White House.
Sadly, she thinks many people, including her own supporters, are dumb. Nope, we're not.
Why is she pulling this shit, seriously?

[merrily]

26. Clinton tells a lot of good stories that cannot be either proven or disproven.

I'll stick with ones that are independently verifiable.

[askew]

30. Actually her lies can easily be disproven which is why they are so damaging.

There was video footage to show that she was greeted by smiling children holding flowers not dodging sniper fire on the tarmac.

Her father did not get a football scholarship like she's been bragging about for years because the university didn't offer football scholarships back then.

All of her grandparents were not immigrants as she've said for years.

She did say that TPP was the gold standard as there is video proof of her saying it.

She didn't set up a private email server because she only wanted to use one device. There is proof in her emails that she used an ipad (which was against State Dept rules) and photo proof that she used a Blackberry during the same period of time.

Her excuse about DOMA was proven to be a lie just last week.

She lies over and over again.

And it is going to kill her in the general election.

[merrily]

32. How can I prove or disprove that she became a Democrat before meeting Bubba?

(Please no one post that hokey photo.)

How can I prove or disprove that she left the Republican National Convention that nominated Rockefeller because she was put off by racist remarks--when she had not been put off by same at the Republican National Convention nominating Goldwater, aka king of the states rights dog whistle? (Seriously, after the Goldwater Convention, did she not anticipate what kind of racist remarks she might hear at the next Republican conventions? Why did she even go? And if they offended her so much, wtf was up with her 2008 primary campaign?)

How can I prove or disprove that her mother would have gone hungry in elementary but for an elementary school teacher giving her mother lunch? That was the premise of her first TV campaign ad this go round, to show how she gets poverty amid this populist uprising, even though she herself has never been poor and has lived very, very well since at least the time Bubba first became Governor.

The things you've cited are all things that can be, and were, proven or disproven via independent verification, which my reply took into account. I do appreciate your list though. Think I'll bookmark this thread.

Speaking of which.....Hillary had the best education the US offers and is supposedly a very smart woman. She didn't know the requirements for enlisting before going to the office? She didn't think to pick up the phone and ask before making the trip?

[askew]

40. Well, as David Geffen said about the Clintons in 2007, they lie so often and with such ease that it

is unsettling or something like that.

There are enough lies that she has told over and over again even in this election cycle that can be disproven with video. It's going to be a damning commercial in the general election.

[merrily]

43. Sadly, that will be too late, esp. for Democrats. It should be a damning commercial now.

Sanders has no pac and I doubt O'Malley's will do it.

[askew]

74. O'Malley's PAC has no money nor does O'Malley.

They can't even afford positive ads let alone negative ones.

O'Malley has been hitting Hillary hard on her appalling immigration comments and I expect he'll hit Hillary hard in the debates. Sanders won't hit her on anything and you can't win that way.

[merrily]

76. Even if he had the money, I doubt he'd do it. Sanders has been hitting Hillary on policy

issues, which is what immigration is, all along. He won't go ad hom and it's far from clear whether that wins him more votes than it loses.

[askew]

86. O'Malley is hitting Hillary on immigration as well as other policy issues.

He isn't lobbying personal attacks. Bernie isn't even do a good job of creating a contrast. We'll see if Bernie can bring it in the debate this time.

[merrily]

89. I disagree that Bernie is not doing a good job of creating contrast.

If Sanders had not shown a contrast, Sanders would not have had a single follower. If I thought they were identical, I would have ruled out Sanders in a Manhattan heartbeat.

O'Malley has always been my second choice. I am not going to get into a pissing contest for no good reason. Sanders is not your candidate's biggest problem and your candidate is not my candidate's biggest problem. Let's just leave it at that.

[askew]

104. Bernie is my 2nd choice I am just disappointed with how his campaign has been going in

the past month. He seems to be stagnating. Hope the debate reverses things for him.

[merrily]

121. Feel better?

[askew]

124. Wow, that was rude.

[merrily]

132. Really? Feeling better" is rude? I take it no one has ever really been rude to you then.

I said that I was not going to attack your guy pointlessly and you had to get in another gratuitous shot at Sanders anyway.

[askew]

217. Yes you were unnecessarily rude and over sensitive if you think that was a shot at Bernie.

Edited because it's not worth it

[karynnj]

197. I would argue that where she has no reluctance to lie if it is easier than telling the truth -

and she can smoothly lie without looking uncomfortable - she manages to get caught more often than you would expect for some one as smart as she is. What is weird is the need to make up stuff that hurts when she is caught and never would have helped.

[KingCharlemagne]

255. It depends on what the meaning of 'enlist' is. Er . . . - nt

[KoKo]

298. I can see the Campaign Ads now...with that list..

Why does she feel need to exaggerate or not tell the truth at all about past events?

[askew]

300. I think she is a compulsive liar and just can't help it.

She lies about such stupid things that can be easily disproved that I don't see another option.

I find it frustrating that her supporters give her such a pass on this behavior though.

[KoKo]

302. Yes! The lies are about "Stupid Stuff" and she didn't need to do this one...

and why shouldn't she be held accountable. That Liar Ben Carson has MSM falling all over themselves attacking Politico Website for Jumping a report about a Carson Lie and as days go on there are MORE Carson Lies Revealed.

If we want to get back to Honest Government then people need to be held accountable when they LIE to the American Public. We are in a War in the ME and Confrontations all Over the World because of a "Bush" caving to the "Project for New American Century" NeoCon Plan to Divide the ME and WE take the Spoils?

How is that turning out with Millions Dead in ME and Africa...all because of "9/11?"

[askew]

27. She is a compulsive liar. It's why the majority of the country views her as untrustworthy and

why she is unelectable in the general election.

Is she going to dust off her Bosnia Sniper lie again too?

[Faux pas]

28. I'm tired

of fairy tales, how about a little truth now and then? Must be too much to ask, huh?

[840high]

56. I'm starting to think she

believes her own lies.

[ibegurpard]

153. That's how most people who lie about stupid shit are

[merrily]

123. I aint' in no ways tired. Every Democratic Presidential primary campaign could use comic relief.

Especially 2008 and this one.

[Faux pas]

163. LOL you're right about that!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

35. Yoda had it right

If she had wanted to be a Marine and they rejected her she could have joined the Air Force, Army, Navy or Coast Guard Judge Advocate General (legal) office. Age wouldn't have been an issue -- someone as accomplished as she was could easily have obtained a waiver.

If she didn't want to serve in the military full time she could always have signed up with the Reserves or National Guard. There are always solutions if you're committed to finding them.

As a veteran, it always amazes me how many people would have joined up but something stopped them. Don't tell me you "tried." You either did or didn't. End of story. Military service is not for everyone. I don't judge.

I'm not one who believes there is something inherently noble about serving in the military. My issue is with people who feel uncomfortable around veterans for some reason and say, "I tried to join, but..."

Having said that, today is the day to remember those who served and gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country.

[Segami]

39. Here, here!

[DVRacer]

192. You summed it up

I hate that phrase I would have joined but...

[Scuba]

236. /\_/\_This_/\_/\

[tazkcmo]

264. "today is the day to remember those who served and gave the ultimate sacrifice"

After all, it's not Almost a Veteran Day.

[Hepburn]

304. Great nick, great post!

[reformist2]

38. The only thing that surprises me about this story, is that it must have poll-tested well...

This is the only reason that she's floating it again!

[Segami]

46. Poll-tested opportunist?.....

Should anyone be remotely surprised?

[Segami]

47. Should we be surprised?

New York Times 1994

"....The First Lady's cascading, contradictory images have been the subject of much commentary. This month's Mirabella magazine runs a dizzying array of different looking Hillary Rodham Clintons, to match her blur of different roles, with a story that frets: "We sense that we aren't seeing the 'real' Hillary, and this makes us very nervous."

But, even given the fact that the nation has become accustomed to Mrs. Clinton's intriguing shape-shifting -- from liberal do-gooder to high-risk commodities trader, from power lawyer to cookie baker, from health care czar to housewife supervising the menu for the state dinner for the Emperor and Empress of Japan -- the latest one is still jarring. Macho Contrast to Clinton

First, it presented a macho contrast to a President who had just visited England, where news reports recalled the letter he wrote from there to a representative of the Reserve Officers Training Corps at the University of Arkansas, explaining why many members of his generation loved their country but still found themselves "loathing" the military.

And it did not seem to fit in with the First Lady's own persona. After all, Hillary Rodham was an up-and-coming legal star involved with an up-and-coming political star. She had made a celebrated appearance in Life magazine as an anti-establishment commencement speaker at Wellesley College, where, as president of the student government, she had organized teach-ins on her opposition to the Vietnam War.

She was a Yale law school graduate who had worked on the anti-war Presidential campaigns of Eugene J. McCarthy and George McGovern.

Mrs. Clinton told friends that she had moved to Arkansas for only one reason: to be with Bill Clinton. Years later, she would tell Vanity Fair that she had stayed because "I didn't see anything out there that I thought was more exciting or challenging than what I had in front of me."

She and Mr. Clinton married on Oct. 11, 1975 in Fayetteville.

So, if she was talking to a Marine recruiter in 1975 before the marriage, was she briefly considering joining the few, the proud and the brave of the corps as an alternative to life with Mr. Clinton, who was already being widely touted as a sure thing for Arkansas Attorney General?..."

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/15/us/hillary-clinton-says-she-once-tried-to-be-marine.html

[tularetom]

49. That doesn't pass the smell test

Why would anybody who has just spent years of her life and a pile of her daddy's money on law school, want to give up a chance to begin to earn a living to join the marines?

It makes no sense at all. One more lie to add to the growing list.

[840high]

55. +1

[riversedge]

62. So, now you know think you know what she was feeling and thinking at the time?? Then

you call her a liar with NO evidence to back it up. Shame on you.

[winter is coming]

64. She lied about the Bosnian sniper fire, and there's video to back that up.

In my book, that means she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt when she trots out unlikely, self-aggrandizing stories.

[riversedge]

65. Try staying on track. This discussion is about the OP.

[winter is coming]

68. This discussion is about Hillary's credibility. Pointing out that she's lied before,

in a situation where the story was somehow intended to make her look tough/macho, is very on-track.

[riversedge]

75. Still not on track. Bye

[winter is coming]

80. So that's what happens when someone points out that HRC is a proven liar when the

topic in question is whether or not Hillary's telling a whopper? You declare it irrelevant and run away?

How well is that approach working out for Carson and his West Point BS?

[840high]

209. For the past few days Carson

has been on front page. Question Hillary's lying and they're through with you. Double standard.

[leveymg]

261. What are you, the narrator on the Outer Limits: "we have control over the horizontal . . ." Bizarre

The voice of the DU controller. . .

[jeff47]

66. And why didn't the Marines point her towards a JAG position? (nt)

[Aerows]

91. They would have *run*

not walked her into one.

I don't know how naive you would have to be to believe this unlikely story, but I'm thankful that I'm not that gullible.

I'm guessing next we will hear how she valiantly saved a Nigerian Prince and that's how she managed to get all of her money after she and Bill left the White House "broke".

[Vattel]

61. It might be true, but if I had to bet my life one way or the other . . .

[Autumn]

69. She and Bill were married Oct 11, 1975 so on Nov 10,1975 Edited

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she goes to to the recruiter to join the Marines??? Wow.

[winter is coming]

73. Oops!

Bachelorette party at the recruiter's office??

[Autumn]

77. Sure seems strange. She must have needed a break getting ready for their wedding at their house

on the following day.

[askew]

78. Oh, for pete's sake. Please tell me that isn't right. That is completely unbelievable.

[Autumn]

82. Yeah it's right.

https://www.theknot.com/content/hillary-and-bill-clinton-wedding-story

[winter is coming]

85. Looks like Hillary's shot herself in the foot again.

Yeah, I want a nominee who can be overcome by Profound Stupid at any moment.

[Autumn]

101. Maybe she had wedding jitters and went to join. That would have made a cuter story

and she would have gotten mileage out of that but as it stands it just looks...

[CreekDog]

221. be sure to make fun of her marriage

i have heard so many of those jokes about her marriage.

but not from liberals.

but whatever floats your boat. clearly this is something you're enjoying, making fun of her marriage.

it's as if you blame her for Bill's infidelities.

[Autumn]

266. This is about Hillary,not Bill's infidelities. There's no reason for you to bring him into this.

They weren't even married when she went to join the Marines.

[Autumn]

159. I was wrong, they were married almost 1 month when she went to the recruiter,

the calendar is small on my tablet and I saw Oct

[merrily]

172. Still! And she told the recruiter she was 26 going on 27 when she'd recently turned 28?

That must be a federal crime.

And, not knowing, in 1975, that 28 was old for the military, when all the talk on campuses and elsewhere then was how to stay out of the military?

But, hey, I believe every word of this story. No, I really do.

[Autumn]

175. I do too!!!

[merrily]

176. Now all three of us are liars. It's a gateway lie!

[CreekDog]

222. so now you believe she did try to join the Marines

can you keep your story straight?

[merrily]

223. Your candidate is the one who seems to have trouble keeping the story straight.

This was the post to which you replied:

Still! And she told the recruiter she was 26 going on 27 when she'd recently turned 28?

That must be a federal crime.

And, not knowing, in 1975, that 28 was old for the military, when all the talk on campuses and elsewhere then was how to stay out of the military?

But, hey, I believe every word of this story. No, I really do.

Are you saying that you took the last line seriously? Do you always have trouble recognizing sarcasm, even when it's accompanied by a rofl smilie?

[Segami]

225. How would you read this...

"..But, hey, I believe every word of this story. No, I really do..."

Does that communicate a strong message of belief to you??

Just curious.

[askew]

87. For someone who lies as often as she does, you'd think she'd be better at it.

If she was a male Democrat, the Bosnia lie and this marine would have killed her career.

[Autumn]

158. I was wrong, they were married almost 1 month when she went to the recruiter,

my tablet screen sucks. but on the bright side my lap top will be ready tomorrow.

[Segami]

79. Its normal for women (on the eve of getting married)

having a sudden urge to join the Marines...........

"...Mrs. Clinton told friends that she had moved to Arkansas for only one reason: to be with Bill Clinton. Years later, she would tell Vanity Fair that she had stayed because "I didn't see anything out there that I thought was more exciting or challenging than what I had in front of me."

She and Mr. Clinton married on Oct. 11, 1975 in Fayetteville.

So, if she was talking to a Marine recruiter in 1975 before the marriage, was she briefly considering joining the few, the proud and the brave of the corps as an alternative to life with Mr. Clinton, who was already being widely touted as a sure thing for Arkansas Attorney General?

Neal Lattimore, Mrs. Clinton's spokesman, said her visit to the recruiter had to be seen in the context of her dedication to public service.

"I'm never surprised when Mrs. Clinton is doing something service oriented," he said. "She was just taking in all her options, saying 'This is where I am in my life, this is what fits into my life right now.' "

But she had moved to Arkansas to be with Mr. Clinton, so why was she thinking about joining the Marines?

"Maybe she was thinking about the J.A.G. Corps," he said, referring to the legal branch of the service. "She was exploring all her options, the National Guard, everything..."

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/15/us/hillary-clinton-says-she-once-tried-to-be-marine.html

Why didn't she qualify for J.A.G Corps service?......or is it that she is just plain lying......

[Autumn]

141. My bad, married on Oct 11, 1975 and she tried to join the marines Nov 10, 1975

small calendar

[Vattel]

194. For the sake of accuracy, the article doesn't say that she tried to join in November.

It says that her most recent telling of the story was the day before veterans day. Or did I miss something?

This is not to say that I think the story is true.

[treestar]

244. but it would be ok for men?

[winter is coming]

83. Maybe he caught her on the rebound? n/t

[KingCharlemagne]

258. LOL. You just can't make this shit up. Would be even funnier were I not

sure that Rove and his cohort are already putting together the ads that will shred her into Dukakis-sized bits of meat.

At least with Bernie, they're going to have to go with good old-fashioned red baiting. The USSR has been one for 25 years now, so maybe those skills have grown rusty.

[darkangel218]

88. Oh wow..

Good catch, Autumn!!

[arcane1]

90. She did allegedly say she "will be 27" and her birthday is in October.

This seems to be a crass attempt at saying "Think of me the same way you think of real veterans".

[winter is coming]

98. Yes, it's a clumsy "I'm one of you" attempt.

And this is why the debates this year are so few in number and so badly scheduled: you never know when Hillary's going to open her mouth and shoot herself in the foot.

[arcane1]

106. LOL I replied to someone named Autumn and got a reply from Winter is Coming

[jeff47]

116. Need to find someone with spring in their name.... (nt)

[Autumn]

122. Sorry I'm feeling bad for all the young women who will never attempt to join the Marines

and take advantage of the GI bill to help them with college because if the Marines won't take a Lawyer no way in hell they will take anyone with a lesser education.

[bvf]

102. Great observation, Autumn.

An inconvenient truth that might account for this:

"A Clinton spokesman declined to comment to CNN about further details on the incident."

[jwirr]

108. Great find. The first thing that came to my mind was that

she and Bill were already involved when she supposedly tried to join the Marines. Was she going to just leave him behind? Your date makes it clear that she had no such intention.

[ibegurpard]

113. Oh FFS...

This is the kind of bullshit purposeless lie that drives people UP THE WALL!!! Why do people tell these kinds of lies? This is the same kind of shit that the press is having a heyday with about Carson. Well done Hillary!

[askew]

126. I find it funny in Republicans because I would never vote for them. In Democrats, it makes

me insane. There is literally no reason for a lie this stupid.

[merrily]

117. Stop it right now.

Clearly, she was so excited about the prospect of becoming a Marine a month after her wedding that she didn't think to call ahead to see if it was worth making the trip to the recruiting office. Bright 28 year old woman with a Wellesley and Yale education and she never thought to call ahead to see if she was eligible to enlist.

Besides, in 1975, who the heck was aware of things that might keep people out of the military, like age?

I'm so disappointed in your doubting a$$, Autumn.

[Autumn]

118. I keep thinking what the fuck is wrong with the Marines that they have no use for a lawyer.

What the hell???

[merrily]

120. Um, sexism, duh! It's all over this thread. Again, you surprise me!

We all know Hillary is not the least bit risk averse. No reason to believe she was not insisting on putting herself in harm's way.

[dsc]

165. and what was wrong with major league baseball teams that didn't have a use for

Satchell Page when he was at the top of his game? What was wrong, and still is wrong, with the Catholic church that has no use for Mother Teresa in a pulpit? Or what was wrong with a military that had no use for Arabic translators in the aftermath of 9/11 while we were at war in the Middle East? Yes, Virginia, discrimination tends to get people to not think rationally.

[ibegurpard]

193. Satchell Page didn't lie about it

We all know sexism and racism were alive and well then and still striving today. Hillary making up nonsensical easily-disproven stories has nothing to do with that.

[arcane1]

131. And what a campaign photo it would've been, too.

[merrily]

133. I can see it now.

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[Metric System]

130. Where do you get the October 10th date?

[Autumn]

140. My bad, wrong month. So they had been married almost 1 month when she went to join the Marines

Hate those little calendars. Thanks for pointing that out.

[merrily]

170. Possibly the same place Hillary got she was 26 going on 27 in November 1975?

She was born October 1947.

[CreekDog]

220. so you're basically calling her a liar because the dates don't make sense to you?

i guess if one doesn't have evidence, that's what ya gotta do.

[KoKo]

287. That is bizarre........

Why in the world would she want to put that out there now and assuming it wouldn't be fact checked?

Just when she's been doing so well after the E-Mail Hearings fell on their Face? :

[Beacool]

71. Oh, I'm sure these kinds of posts will change minds.

The more The Left continues with these types of inane attacks, the more her supporters become more entrenched. Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, how some of you deal with that will be up to you.

[Cosmic Kitten]

99. It's the inane DISTORTIONS Hillary creates

that BOTh cause her supporters
to become entrenched.

It's not easy defending absurdity
and fabrications.

And her inane fabrications will change minds...
by creating more DOUBT about her
honesty and trustworthiness.

[frylock]

150. Hillary making Veteran's Day about Hillary by spinning yarns may indeed change some minds.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

72. If true, she was lucky they turned her down.

Oft times, in my four looooooong years of being in the marines, I wished they had turned me down. We didn't call "The Suck" or "The Crotch" for nothing.

[KingCharlemagne]

262. I wish they had turned my Dad (Korea-Inchon) down. Not easy growing

up with a drill sergeant for a father. So I feel some of your pain at one remove

On edit: upon more mature reflection, had the Marines turned my Dad down, he would not have gotten the GI Bill upon leaving the service, would not have attended the U. of Missouri where he met my Mom and gotten married and brought me into the world. So, scratching my heads about the Star Trek-y type singularties. Still having a drill sergeant for a father is no walk in the park.

[MisterP]

92. would a COWARD have this?!

[winter is coming]

100. I'm not gonna knock her for that. As First Lady, you have to graciously accept

all sorts of bizarre gifts.

[MisterP]

107. that's a scene from Arrested Development ...

[winter is coming]

184. No comment.

[MisterP]

188. maybe she misremembered being turned down by the Easter Seals?

[jalan48]

96. No way!

[Cosmic Kitten]

97. How ABSURD!

Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton bought a house in Fayetteville in the summer of 1975 and Hillary finally agreed to marry.[68] Their wedding took place on October 11, 1975, in a Methodist ceremony in their living room.[69] A story about the marriage in the Arkansas Gazette indicated that she was retaining the name Hillary Rodham.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

So when exactly did she decide to
try and enlist?

Before or after she was married in 1975?

[malthaussen]

105. Too bad she didn't attend military school. n/t

[merrily]

127. I'm sure she did. Give her a minute.

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[frylock]

112. Classic Clinton.

[azmom]

125. LOL

[whatchamacallit]

128. True or not (I suspect not), why does she wanna tell this?

Is she putting on her war paint for the enevitible hawk pissing war in the GE?

[Metric System]

129. From the article: "Each time, critics on the right..." And the far left too! Meanwhile, her version

has remained consistent for over 20 years. A recruiter in a southern state in the 1970s discouraging a woman is far from unbelievable.

Also from the CNN article:

"Clinton's telling of the story comes as Right-leaning blogs are highlighting it in the wake of the scrutiny Republican candidate Ben Carson is facing..."

Sanders supporters AGAIN carrying water for the Right.

[TM99]

143. Just because her 'version' has been the same does not mean it was not

a lie.

Come on. In 1975 she was marrying Bill Clinton. You expect us to believe she was running off to a Marine recruiter to join?

She easily could have and would have been jumped on with her credentials. After I went reserve and was going through OCS in my late twenties, I met quite a few officers in training who had law degrees, medical degrees, etc. who had signed up with hefty bonuses.

No recruiter would have said what she said he did. That is laughable.

Far right, far left, straw men, and poor logic.

She lied, yet again, and the centrist brigade are carrying water yet again for the neoliberal piss poor candidate who apparently is now comparable to Carson in her ability to make up shit.

[dsc]

149. yeah the Marines have been so progressive in regards to things like this

In 2010, the Marine Commendant was the only member of the joint chiefs against accepting openly gay service members. He also was against women in combat roles. But of course, the notion that the Marines in 1975 might care more about keeping itself more male and less female is simply absurd.

[ibegurpard]

151. Which has not a fucking thing to do

With this increasingly apparent and unnecessary LIE!

[dsc]

160. really

the fact the Marines are still, some 40 years later, in favor of discriminating against women, is irrelevant to this, Really?

[ibegurpard]

168. this is about her telling ridiculous LIES

That are easily disproved. You trying to change the subject to sexism does a great disservice to that cause.

[dsc]

169. so let me get this straight

we know this is a lie because the Marines would have never rejected someone with her credentials but if we then discuss why they might have done so, that is changing the subject. Is that really your position?

[beam me up scottie]

178. We know it's bullshit because no new bride just up and joins the Marines.

Especially one with an ivy league education who had just purchased a house with her husband.

The Marines send you where you're needed, it's ludicrous to think that she would be willing to be separated from her new husband because she was suddenly feeling patriotic.

Sexism is not the issue, credibility is and as a former Marine I'm disgusted that she's trotting out this lie today of all days.

[all american girl]

227. Well that may not be so true.

When I was first married I thought about joining the Guard. I might add that my husband was (and still is) in the Army....so there is that. Also...not found of war.

I'll also add, that when my husband was a little LT, he was a shop officer. They fix tanks, vehicles, radios, etc...they would send out contract teams to fix things and evaluate equipment. They started having women on these contact teams. The tanks dudes where so upset that they complained about it, and not just a little, but a lot. This wasn't in the 70's, this was around 1992 time frame.

Just because an organization has policies in place, doesn't mean that everyone is on board with it. My husband has had to deal with crap-ass sexist stuff in the Army, towards women who have worked for him and those he worked with. He has always stood up against it. So, it's not hard for me to believe that this happened in 1975...and it's not hard for me to believe that a woman would want to do this, even if she was newly married....because sometimes woman are like that.

[beam me up scottie]

228. I was in the Marines, I know all about the sexism.

I worked in motor t and was the only woman at the shop, the old timers liked me well enough but didn't want women in their corps, if it weren't for my staff sergeant and sergeant I would have been forced to work in the office.

Based on everything we know about Hillary protesting the war, moving to Arkansas, marrying Bill and buying a house there is no way she went from all that to wanting to join the Marines. The only time she's ever mentioned this was when she was talking to women vets years ago and now the day before veteran's day. Imo she's a pandering liar and as a former WM I find it insulting.

Thank your husband for standing up for the women in his unit, it's not easy but it makes all the difference when you know you have at least one guy in your corner.

[all american girl]

230. Thanks for your service in the Marines...that's one hard gig.

Just because she doesn't shout it from the roof tops, doesn't make it untrue. I don't tell people I seriously thought about joining the guard....but it's the truth. I find this all so sad.

I have to admit this thread is making my blood boil. The reason why she is not believed is because she was newly married. Really. Sometimes young woman want to do things, even when they are newly married. I find the sexism here very hard to deal with. I thought we were all better than that, but I guess I am wrong.

[beam me up scottie]

231. Oh please, it has nothing to do with sexism.

It has to do with starting a new life with a spouse, I wouldn't believe the story if Bill told it either.

Like you said, it's a hard gig and no anti-war newlywed is going to sign up and take a chance of being sent who knows where when she's just put down roots.

If she really wanted to serve she could have joined another branch. This is just another story she tells so that people will think she relates to them.

[all american girl]

232. Sorry to tell you...anti war person here

I got engaged to my husband right before Desert Storm I. In fact we were trying to plan our wedding around the fact he might be going....he ended up not going (thank god), but there you go. It may not be sexism to you, and I believe you, but reading through this thread...that's what I see.

I now a lot of people who buy houses and are in the military, and for many different reasons. Many times it's because that's where they are living, sometimes because it's rental property, maybe because it gives them ties to a community that they from or want to go back to. Who knows the reason, but that, again doesn't make it untrue.

An as far as to why she didn't go to another branch....who knows. Again, thinking off the top of my head here...maybe she felt discouraged after the chat she had with the marine guy. Maybe her life started to go in a different direction and she followed it. Who knows, but why is it not believable.

[beam me up scottie]

233. This was during the Vietnam war, people who were opposed to it didn't join the Marines.

And this is nothing like your situation, they weren't a military couple looking for a house.

The only reason she moved to Arkansas was to marry Bill, she had an ivy league education and was planning a future with her new husband.

No way does she just up and decide to join the Marines on a whim. And like I said, if this determined young woman had really decided that she wanted to serve her country no sexist Marine recruiter would have discouraged her.

Hillary Clinton Says She Once Tried to Be Marine

And it did not seem to fit in with the First Lady's own persona. After all, Hillary Rodham was an up-and-coming legal star involved with an up-and-coming political star. She had made a celebrated appearance in Life magazine as an anti-establishment commencement speaker at Wellesley College, where, as president of the student government, she had organized teach-ins on her opposition to the Vietnam War.

She was a Yale law school graduate who had worked on the anti-war Presidential campaigns of Eugene J. McCarthy and George McGovern.

Mrs. Clinton told friends that she had moved to Arkansas for only one reason: to be with Bill Clinton. Years later, she would tell Vanity Fair that she had stayed because "I didn't see anything out there that I thought was more exciting or challenging than what I had in front of me."

She and Mr. Clinton married on Oct. 11, 1975 in Fayetteville.

So, if she was talking to a Marine recruiter in 1975 before the marriage, was she briefly considering joining the few, the proud and the brave of the corps as an alternative to life with Mr. Clinton, who was already being widely touted as a sure thing for Arkansas Attorney General?

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/15/us/hillary-clinton-says-she-once-tried-to-be-marine.html

[all american girl]

238. One question for you....

How do you know? Why do you think the narrative in your head is the only option available? Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean that everyone thinks like you. Sweetie, sometimes they are just as they are, nothing more, nothing less.

[beam me up scottie]

239. Because I've been in a Marine Corps recruiting office.

And if I was an anti-Vietnam war activist with a Yale law degree, good looking fiance with a bright future and a brand new house in Arkansas I sure wouldn't have wandered into that recruiting office looking to sign on the dotted line knowing I'd get sent far away from all that.

It makes no sense but it sure does make Hillary sound patriotic on veteran's day.

And that's the whole idea, she's selling a product and I'm not buying it.

If you're willing to swallow it that's fine, but with her history of fabricating stories I wouldn't be so eager to believe this one.

[all american girl]

240. I'm not sure what it means when you say that you've been in a Marine Corps recruiting office

and how this pertains to Hillary....but again, just because you have assumptions of an era, doesn't mean that everyone falls in line with that assumption.

Talking to you reminded of something I had totally forgot. Back in the 80's I was talking to my mom...can't remember what, but she told me that before she had me she wanted to go to Vietnam to help the soldiers. I was shocked. I never heard that from her before. At the time she was a nurse's aid and wanted to go work in a hospital. I'm thinking she didn't want to be in the military. She's never mentioned it again...I think I need to ask her about, though. Makes me feel like a very bad daughter This was back in the 60's....so a bit before Hillary....All I'm saying is that sometimes things are just what they are, nothing more.

Thanks for for the discussion...remembering my mom telling me that is still so strange to me.

[beam me up scottie]

243. It means it's a life changing decision.

Not something you take lightly, you're going to be sent far away from home for a long time. And if you're blissfully happy and looking forward to a bright future, making wedding plans, buying a house with your fiance, why would you want to chuck it all and join the Marines?

Your mom sounds like she gave a damn, like many of her generation. We owe women from that era a lot, they paved the way.

It was nice talking to you too.

[treestar]

251. and if you were

does not mean another person of the same description might not.

[beam me up scottie]

256. Sure and Ben Carson was offered a scholarship to West Point too.

Because politicians never lie *cough* sniper fire.

[dorkzilla]

307. Oh BMUS, I loved you already...

You had the (virtual) balls to do what I thought I wanted to do. I was actually talked out of it by a Marine recruiter I happened to be having a torrid affair with at the time. Damn he was cute. Ironically he said the Corps would “turn you into a whore” and I said “what the fuck would you call me now?”

My brother is a retired Gunnery Sergeant and I thought “what a cool way to travel”. I ended up doing a lot of traveling anyway and on closer consideration I would have been miserable if I joined as one of my personality traits is I have problems operating in and adhering to any hierarchical structure. Plus I am a sucker for a guy in uniform and speaking as a reformed but unrepentant loose woman, I probably would have gotten kicked out for repeatedly sneaking into their barracks.

I love that you were a jarhead. Makes you even more wonderful.

[beam me up scottie]

308. Aw, right backatcha, dorkzilla!

I was a bad Marine and a good Marine. Bad because I bucked authority and good because I was fierce and loyal.

And there was no need to sneak into their barracks, we had to beat the guys off with sticks.

When I was in school I was the only girl in my class and there were no women's bathrooms in much of the camp, so my classmates would let me use the loo first while they made sure no one else entered. Nothing makes you feel safer than having several dozen Marines guarding the door while you pee.

[treestar]

248. says who?

Yes, sexism is the issue and no one seems to worry about grooms doing it.

Purchasing a new house has jack shit to do with it. Military may or may not live no base.

Interesting, would a man not join due to not wanting to be separated from his wife? BS, newly married or engaged men do join the military.

[beam me up scottie]

254. No man or woman would join the Marines when they're an anti-war activist.

I don't give a fuck what gender they are.

This isn't about sexism it's about common sense, go bark up someone else's tree.

[ibegurpard]

180. No my position

Is that the story seems unlikely in the first place and is completely blown out of the water by the actual timeline of her life events. But you keep trying to make it into something it's not. In the meantime Hillary just handed the jackals another issue on a silver platter with which to attack her where she is weakest: her honesty and authenticity.

[TM99]

182. We know it is a lot for numerous reasons

if you bothered to read the whole thread.

[TM99]

179. Nope.

Sorry. Continue with the rationalizations and excuses all you want, but Clinton simply lied.

[jeff47]

186. There is a lie within the story as she tells it.

She claims she tried to enlist on November 10th, 1975, and told the recruiter she was 26 going on 27.

She was 28 on November 10th, 1975.

So when there's a lie within the story as she tells it, why is it so unfathomable that she's lying?

[merrily]

174. And, in 20 years, she never figured out she was 28 in November 1975, not 26 going on 27?

And her friends listened to that story for 20 years and no one told her?

And, in 1975, when all the talk on campuses and elsewhere was avoiding the draft, it never occurred to her that 28 was too old to sign up? Not even to the degree that she would call ahead to check?

Trying to enlist a few weeks after turning 28, a few weeks after getting married?

How many years did she tell the story about being named after Sir Hillary the same way?

Yeah, Sanders supporters are way off the mark doubting this story. Poster, please.

[karynnj]

189. Good catch on her age.

I vote for this as the weirdest Hillary story -- which takes a lot as there is a lot of competition, especially the sniper fire story.

It is also really strange as I don't see the political benefit. It's not like either Al Gore, who really served in Vietnam or John Kerry, who not only served but got three purple hearts and 2 very prestigious medals benefited much in the general election for their genuine service and sacrifice -- why would it matter if she tried to sign up and was rejected?

In fact, that story existing makes me now question the Hillary wanted to be an astronaut and was rejected story which I had believed. What I really do not get is that she has a golden resume that built on her Yale law degree and talents as much as her obvious connection to power. I could understand someone with few accomplishments and little visibility embellishing whatever resume they have, but even for jobs well below President, there is a huge danger in making stuff up.

This is worse for Hillary than almost anyone else given the percent of people who say she is not trustworthy or honest. Given that DU has spent the last week laughing at Carson's probable fabrications - it is hard to dismiss Hillary's. What is mystifying is that this is so unnecessary.

[merrily]

196. In my experience, DU seems to have little trouble with double standards.

It can be thought to matter if she tried to sign up and was rejected because military service, esp. during war, is generally seen as a plus and the closest a woman could have come to that in the Vietnam Era would have been to try to enlist. And, since she did not in fact, serve, claiming to have been rejected summarily (not even an application that might be found in some military archive) is the only way to go.

Bill, working hard to stay out of the draft and her enlisting a month after she married him--and after she supposed campaigned for McGovern--or was it McCarthy--can't keep track? On those grounds alone, it would have been implausible.

It was also unnecessary to claim that she was named after Sir Hillary. Also unnecessary to claim that she'd been fired at in Bosnia. I cannot think of a fable she's been caught in that was necessary. I am not buying anything anymore that is incapable of independent verification.

Trying to paint supporters of Sanders as RW for doubting this story is hilarious, yet typical.

[beam me up scottie]

198. And why wouldn't she have tried another branch if she was rejected?

None of this makes sense to anyone with critical thinking skills.

[winter is coming]

199. Really lobbing the softballs today, aren't ya?

[beam me up scottie]

200. Lol!

Gimme a break, I've had a hard day!

[winter is coming]

205. Awww.... recruiter turn you down? n/t

[beam me up scottie]

208. I wish he had, actually!

I met my ex-husband in the Marines.

[winter is coming]

214. Sometimes...

what happens on TDY doesn't stay on TDY.

[beam me up scottie]

216. Very true.

Had some good times in the suck though, and met some great people.

So it wasn't all bad.

[merrily]

204. Someone born in October 26, 1947 said, on November 10, 1975, that she was 26, soon to be 27.

Look, if it all doesn't make perfect sense to you, you must be a Republican. And most likely a sexist one. That's the only conclusion I can draw from all this.

[beam me up scottie]

207. Isn't it amazing what we learn about ourselves here?

We're a bunch of socialist, Volvo driving, latte drinking, elitist, upper middle class hippies who are really racists, sexists and closeted Republicans.

[Bonobo]

203. Ha ha ha, People don't make those kinds of mistakes.

I think everyone can easily tell what age they were on any given year. Especially after a stroy has been repeated over and over.

The smell of fish...

[jeff47]

185. She lies in her own story.

On November 10th, 1975, Hillary Clinton was 28.

In her story, she told the recruiter she was 26 going on 27 on November 10th, 1975.

[olddots]

135. this will probably buy her some votes

Once again she wants to be the candidate in the worst way .

[TwilightGardener]

155. This story has just never rung true. It doesn't even make sense.

What was she hoping to do in the Marines at 26, AFTER an Ivy League law degree? Be a JAG officer of some sort? I have never understood this.

[Codeine]

164. Out of curiosity, why do you ADD CAPITALS in

odd PLACES in headlines when you post them to DU?

[Segami]

166. How many others do you ask

the same question?

Hmm?

[Codeine]

167. I haven't seen anyone else doing it?

I just noticed it today. Honest question. It's in a number of posts you made and I was curious. Not everything is a fight, Segami.

[Segami]

171. Well,..

it shouldn't ever be a food-fight over silly CAPS but some disruptors on this board (and they know who they are) want to make it a deflecting issue. Their actions are selective and quite revealing as to their motives.

How I choose to post is my business......if someone finds it offensive, they know how to send an alert or put me on ignore.....either way, I don't need to answer to their whining whims.

[Kalidurga]

226. Maybe he is a fan of

Thomas Carlyle

[KingCharlemagne]

265. I've been meaning to re-read SARTOR RESARTUS. Just never seem

to find the time.

[Enrique]

177. who died

and made her Ben Carson?

[guillaumeb]

183. This rejection then inspired her to invent:

the Internet.

[Raine1967]

187. Aside from Graham -- Not one of the GOP candidates have any military experience.

Does anyone really believe that this is going to become a General Election issue?

Just asking.

[jeff47]

191. A candidate with "trust issues" who is supposed to be "the experienced one"

just tossed up an easy-to-debunk story. Hell, her story even contains a lie as she tells it - she turned 28 in October 1975.

Candidates with experience do not paint gigantic targets on themselves, directly over their greatest weakness.

[ibegurpard]

195. self-sabotage?

[m-lekktor]

190. I love this thread!!

[Bonobo]

201. I can't tell if it is a mental problem with her or just political reaching.

Either way, it is one of the things you need to look at as a voter and accept that it is a real warning sign along with many others -such as her tendency to vote for wars as if to prove her toughness.

I mean it, it is dangerous in a POTUS.

[winter is coming]

215. It's not political savvy.

Political savvy would be to tell a heart-touching story about a veteran she'd met, perhaps one who needed assistance that she was able to expedite. Political savvy would be to put a combat veteran at the center of a story told that close to Veteran's Day. Instead, she chose to tell a story, putting in herself in the center, that makes the military look like troglodytes.

[Historic NY]

202. Marines have lawyers too.

[Segami]

206. Yes..

..OK...

[HereSince1628]

213. Yes, and getting a BA/BS and a law degree would take you to ~ age 24-25ish

So being 26-27ish wouldn't really seem to be unusual for a JAG

Even with the draw-down, I would have thought that back then getting a reserve commission wasn't uncommon for people considering political careers.

[Oilwellian]

218. When you Google "Hillary joins the Marines"

There are over 2 million hits.

[Divernan]

297. Way to go, Hill! Way to win the google hit contest!

[Nonhlanhla]

234. I think this might be partially true

I can't imagine that Hillary was seriously looking into joining the Marines. I can imagine a conversation like this happening, and her remembering it in a half-baked way. It seems like a half-truth to me, and not quite a lie.

[pinstikfartherin]

235. Are we like, Ben-Carsoning her here or something? nt

[Scuba]

237. Sad that the two leading candidates for POTUS are both proven to be pathological liars.

[Segami]

241. Similarities in so many ways...

Both warmongering elitists.

[Major Hogwash]

269. This is the first time I have ever heard this story.

And all I can say is "good luck" with this boatload of bullshit . . . because I would be banned outright if I said what I am thinking of her right now!

This is incredibly outrageous that she would all of a sudden start daydreaming out loud about wanting to be a veteran at her age!
To me, this is the top of Bullshit Mountain.
She can't possibly be any more nauseating to me than she already is.

[ibegurpard]

275. same here

It's the same kind of purposeless bullshit lie that drives me nuts when someone tells one to me personally. There's no point at all to it. It's ridiculous on its face and doesn't even fit into the major events timeline of her life. Another brick in the dishonesty wall.

[ram2008]

273. She lost my good will that I had after her Benghazi performance

I guess that's all it was-- a 'performance'. She has lost my good will and I now do believe she has deep character flaws.

Since then she's gone back to her old self by using a smear campaign claiming Bernie was a sexist, flipping in tons of issues, pathologically lying and making up stories.

I'm done with her. Phony, phony, phony.

[tzar paul]

274. amazing that no one has posted this video yet

[KoKo]

311. Wow! Stewart & Colbert could have done this! The Onion........

[HassleCat]

276. The basic story is probably true

Of course, no recruiter would turn away a 27 year old who was a college graduate. It's more likely Clinton looked into joining the military and decided it didn't appeal to her. I know it didn't appeal to me, either, but my draft number was 36, so I joined before they could draft me.

[Divernan]

286. Bil's version:It was the Army & they turned her down for eyesight

Bill Clinton, too, has used a similar story about his wife's desire to join the military.

The former president told an audience in Columbus, Indiana during the 2008 election that his then girlfriend "went down and tried to join the Army and they said 'Your eyes are so bad, nobody will take you.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/hillary-clinton-marine-army-recruit-2016-election/index.html

Of course, with Bill's version, she'd have had to progress to the point of having her vision tested.

Visual Acuity

Before you can enlist in the military, you must pass a variety of health and fitness tests -- including a vision exam-- to ensure that you're ready. Certain eye conditions, including severe astigmatism and optic neuritis, disqualify you from consideration. Otherwise, the Military Entrance Processing Station will conduct an eye test to evaluate your vision acuity and color vision.

You don't necessarily need to have perfect vision to enlist in the military, but you must have good vision in at least one eye. You may wear glasses that correct your vision, but contact lenses aren't allowed. You're disqualified from enlisting if your corrected distant vision isn't at least 20/40 in one eye and 20/70 in the other eye, or 20/30 in one eye and 20/100 in the other eye. If you have 20/20 vision in one eye, vision in the other eye must be 20/400 or better. If you're trying to get into a military academy or the Reserve Officers' Training Corps, you'll need a corrected visual acuity of at least 20/20 in one eye and 20/40 in the other. Your corrected near visual acuity must be 20/40 or better in both eyes.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/list_7326108_vision-requirements-join-army.html

[KoKo]

290. So, Bill has Another Version and yet Hillary doesn't mention her poor eyesight

in her statement in the video posted by the OP. She says they wouldn't take her because of her age.

So, it seems both Hillary & Bill have differing versions of this and, sadly, neither has a good track record with truth telling. What in the heck made her want to bring this up now? It's just bizarre.

[Babel_17]

289. Chris Cillizza at the Washington Post writes an article mentioning this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/12/why-arent-hillary-clintons-exaggerations-of-her-life-story-not-bigger-news/

Hillary Clinton tells a story of how she tried to join the Marines in 1975 but was rejected because she was too old. The problem? The story may not be totally true.

As The Post's Fact Checker illustrates in a column dedicated to Clinton's Marine claim Thursday, there's little reason to believe that she -- already a very prominent person -- would suddenly attempt to join the military.

The Fact Checker doesn't say Clinton is lying -- and notes that several of her friends have, in the past, vaguely corroborated Clinton's recounting of her interest in the Marines. But it awards Clinton Two Pinnocchios for the claim, meaning: "Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily. A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people."

[KoKo]

291. ...! WaPo Fact Checker..."Two Pinochios" for the claim.....

But it awards Clinton Two Pinnocchios for the claim, meaning: "Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily. A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people."

[Hepburn]

303. In 1975, she was 28 years old or thereabout.

Is that too old to volunteer to join the service?

Anyone know?

[Divernan]

306. For JAG corp, at least 26 yrs. old/cut off age to apply is 42.

I posted details on this elsewhere in this thread. Basically, one is minimally 24 when finishing law school. Then you spend the summer studying for the bar exam & get the results around November. Then you apply to be a member of the state bar (that's at the lowest level). The JAG corp requires that beyond that level you must have been admitted to practice in an appellate court - either state or federal. That requires you must get a licensed lawyer to vouch for you and sponsor you to be admitted to practice in a state or federal appellate court. That means said sponsor is familiar with your work as a licensed attorney. So it's fair to say that a new law school graduate will be at LEAST 26 years old before qualifying to apply to be a JAG lawyer. I had a couple of friends from law school who went this route, and when I was teaching an Intensive Trial Advocacy Program, I lucked into a great group of JAG lawyers who volunteered to work with my law students as instructors and mock trial judges. The law students just idolized them.

Bottom line, at age 28, and with an Ivy law school degree, HRC would have been a highly desirable applicant to the JAG corp.

[Babel_17]

310. Some googling ...

http://www.militaryspot.com/enlist/what-is-the-maximum-age-limit-for-each-branch-of-the-military/
Though requirements could easily have been different back then. But she'd have been eligible for the Marines by those standards.

But the army, it seems, definitely would take someone like 1975 era HRC with open arms. They have ROTC for a reason.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/15/us/hillary-clinton-says-she-once-tried-to-be-marine.html

Neal Lattimore, Mrs. Clinton's spokesman, said her visit to the recruiter had to be seen in the context of her dedication to public service.

"I'm never surprised when Mrs. Clinton is doing something service oriented," he said. "She was just taking in all her options, saying 'This is where I am in my life, this is what fits into my life right now.' "

But she had moved to Arkansas to be with Mr. Clinton, so why was she thinking about joining the Marines?

"Maybe she was thinking about the J.A.G. Corps," he said, referring to the legal branch of the service. "She was exploring all her options, the National Guard, everything."

[Divernan]

312. Extremely bizarre for many reasons

as spelled out in your NYT link. I think the contrast in culture from East Coast/Ivy League to good ole boy, Bubbaland, plus the first signs of the bimbo eruption, were enough to make her desperately consider any option, even one in such stark contrast to her anti-war stance as joining the military.

And it did not seem to fit in with the First Lady's own persona. After all, Hillary Rodham was an up-and-coming legal star involved with an up-and-coming political star. She had made a celebrated appearance in Life magazine as an anti-establishment commencement speaker at Wellesley College, where, as president of the student government, she had organized teach-ins on her opposition to the Vietnam War.

She was a Yale law school graduate who had worked on the anti-war Presidential campaigns of Eugene J. McCarthy and George McGovern.

Mrs. Clinton told friends that she had moved to Arkansas for only one reason: to be with Bill Clinton. Years later, she would tell Vanity Fair that she had stayed because "I didn't see anything out there that I thought was more exciting or challenging than what I had in front of me." She and Mr. Clinton married on Oct. 11, 1975 in Fayetteville.

So, if she was talking to a Marine recruiter in 1975 before the marriage, was she briefly considering joining the few, the proud and the brave of the corps as an alternative to life with Mr. Clinton, who was already being widely touted as a sure thing for Arkansas Attorney General?

[Babel_17]

313. A story best left unresurrected?

To paraphrase Mick Jagger, when you're in a relationship, you don't want to feel like you have no options. Maybe Secretary Clinton just wanted to remind herself that she had myriad choices and directions available to her. It's not wise to try to shade the history of events just so as to have a good anecdote.

Well, time to just shrug it off, ruefully if need be, and move on. We'll see if that's the tack that gets taken.

[Divernan]

314. HRC was the one unwise enough to resurrect it in this campaign.

[Babel_17]

315. Looking so far like an unforced error (nt)

[KoKo]

316. True..she was Flying High in Polls after "Benghazi, E-Mail Hearings Fell on Face...

Yet she goes out there and brings THIS UP?

Talk about "Shoot Yourself in the Foot!"

What WAS She Thinking? She put it out there for it all to be dragged up. One doesn't invite something like that as a Savvy Politician...unless one feels they are Invincible or they are Very Foolish/Clueless.

That's the problem... She sort of gets off on herself with that "Foot in Mouth" thingy.

[ibegurpard]

319. There are people

Who lie about stupid shit for no discernable reason. Hillary appears to be one of them.