Where's Bernie's Veteran's Affairs policy proposal?

[JaneyVee]

Where's Bernie's Veteran's Affairs policy proposal?

Or his climate / environment policy?

Or his Wall Street policy?

Or his economics policy?

Or his tax policy?

Or his jobs/income inequality policy?

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Has he released any comprehensive policy proposals that go beyond just identifying problems and start coming up with solutions? When calling for a "revolution", one should first have an alternative in place. A revolution without a solution may lead to chaos.

[HerbChestnut]

1. Research is fun

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

[JaneyVee]

2. And ya'll wonder why he's at -25.

Issues and solutions are very different.

[HerbChestnut]

5. Didn't read any of it did you.

That's okay, I'll do the work for you. Watch for a few new threads in GDP.

[JaneyVee]

9. Save some time. See post 6.

Where are the whitepapers for economists like myself to number crunch?

[thesquanderer]

75. Link to Hillary's, please? (n/t)

[tecelote]

65. Bernie missed only 5% of votes while running President. Hillary missed 83.5%.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251760637

Let's look at track records instead of empty promises.

[Betty Karlson]

4. This thread deserves to sink.

It's just a desperate smear.

[JaneyVee]

7. Pointing out his lack of policy proposals is a smear??

I thought it was "all about the issues".

[TM99]

24. Oh, cut her some slack.

She just found out her candidate not only lied about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, but also lied about being turned down by the Marines literally days before she married Bill.

[Betty Karlson]

27. All right then.

I'll let it go.

[TM99]

31. Well, I was being mildly sarcastic.

Yes, it is a smear.

Sanders has the best legislative history on veterans issues and has received well-deserved praise from veterans groups nationwide. It is one of his strengths. Therefore, opponents must attack that and make it appear like he does not.

I expect it from Clinton supporters. I am disappointed to see it occurring more and more from O'Malley supporters.

[JaneyVee]

38. Buddy, it's not a smear. Get over it.

I didn't say legislative history, I said policy proposals to overhaul the VA. An actual proposal.

[TM99]

55. Attack your opponents strengths

while avoiding your owns weaknesses.

[JaneyVee]

63. This makes no sense...

It is not a strength to have no policy proposals.

[TM99]

74. Of course you don't understand.

[JaneyVee]

6. I mean, seriously...

His entire stump speech is about Wall Street and THIS is what he proposes??? https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/

Break up banks + glass-steagall? So everything will be a-ok after that??? That's the opposite of comprehensive.

[MrMickeysMom]

70. That was totally expected...

You do no homework...

But, this is all rendered unimportant by your predictable history of never doing it anyway.

[NuclearDem]

16. The veterans section on his website is the least detailed of the entire Democratic field.

He needs to do a lot better.

[HerbChestnut]

18. He introduce and pass a major VA bill not too long ago.

You might want to check that out.

[NuclearDem]

22. That's not a comprehensive policy proposal.

That was an emergency fix to the VA health system implosion.

O'Malley's proposal touches on each and every one of the major issues considered vital by veteran advocacy groups like IAVA. In fact, O'Malley worked with IAVA to craft his veterans agenda.

Sanders needs to do a lot better.

[George II]

26. A lot of words, little substance.

He says little to nothing about HOW he's going to accomplish any of his vague proposals, and if his level of support in Congress mirrors his Congressional endorsements, he'd be less effective than Calvin Coolidge.

[juxtaposed]

3. this seems a little snarky?

[Skidmore]

15. Nope.

Legitimate questions. Legitimate concerns.

[JaneyVee]

23. Exactly.

[sheshe2]

69. Truth.

Thanks Skidmore.

[TM99]

8. Here is everything, literally everything,

you need to know about Sanders and his positions, policies, history, and proposals with regards to the military and veterans.

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-military-and-veterans/

You really should bookmark that site as it covers all of your other questions as well.

It might behoove you to do some research before making such an OP as this next time.

[JaneyVee]

10. LOL. A link to a site not even affiliated with Bernie!

Seems legit! Yes, we all know what the issues are, but we're looking for solutions.

[TM99]

11. Oh, the irony! Oh, the hypocrisy!

http://feelthebern.org/about-us/

At least they are legit, not a Super-PAC, and not bending any election laws like, say, OntheRecord.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-backers-defend-link-to-pac-118014

[TM99]

13. Your post deserves two separate replies.

Every fact is sourced. All of the information is cross-referenced to Sanders sites and other legitimate news sources.

There are lies, distortions, or fluff.

The solutions are there as well as his history of providing solutions.

Stop being so damned disingenuous.

[NuclearDem]

12. O'Malley has an extremely comprehensive veterans policy proposal on his site.

Sanders does not.

I know Sanders has a good record with veterans issues, but there are many, many, many issues O'Malley has addressed that Sanders hasn't.

[HerbChestnut]

32. Maybe the two could work together to get stuff done

[Hiraeth]

46. what a concept ... working together

to get stuff done.

[litlbilly]

41. JaneyVee only does snark, no research, nothing. You should all know this by now, ignore list is

where she belongs

[smiley]

42. I put her on my ignore list also.

Her and many other supporters of the anointed one. It's made my DU experience so much more pleasant.

[Maedhros]

43. Yes - some posters have nothing of substance to say, and are only here to rile us up.

Use the Ignore List very liberally, it's the best way to thwart their pathetic agenda.

[JaneyVee]

52. Snark? I'm talking policy proposals.

[BainsBane]

14. K-12

One can't address inequality in America without dealing with the gross disparities in K-12 education in poor vs. upper-middle class communities. "Free" college can't benefit the poorest, least advantaged citizens without doing something about K-12 disparity.

[George II]

30. If one can't get through middle or high school, free college is useless.

[BainsBane]

57. Exactly nt

[MineralMan]

17. He hasn't really prepared any detailed position proposals

on those things, really. There are sites that look at his past record and try to predict his positions, but there aren't any actual proposals in detail about what he plans to do. It's really time for those to appear, I think, under his own name and not just collections of past performance and links to things he's said.

If he becomes the nominee, these will be crucial documents for his campaign. He needs them now, too, since his primary opponents are issuing them.

[JaneyVee]

20. And remember, his past policy has failed to get passed, as...

He's only passed 3 bills in 25 years.

[merrily]

36. Untrue. I told you the numbers in your article were wrong as to both Hillary and Sanders.

However, one of the bills he did pass benefited veterans. An amendment he passed benefited community health centers. Meanwhile, Hillary renamed a post office and celebrated the anniversary of the American Revolution.

You sure picked the wrong topic for swiftboating your former Presidential pick!

Again.

[JaneyVee]

50. Bernie had 3 bills passed in 25 years.

Why didn't you include Hillary's amendments?

[merrily]

54. What were Hillary's amendments?

Even if Sanders had passed only the Vets' bill, he still would have passed far more meaningful legislation than Hillary did. Marking the 200 something anniversary of the American Revolution -- not on the same plane with helping vets. Too bad you can't admit that.

[whatchamacallit]

19. One of his best proposals to date has been

voting against getting them killed or maimed in bogus wars.

[JaneyVee]

21. Because no one died in Afghanistan...

Or Kosovo. Or Somalia. Ever see Black Hawk Down?

[thesquanderer]

56. You want someone who votes against ALL wars? Or just dumb ones?

No matter how many people died in the "better" wars, all of those and many more died when you add the stupid ones.

[jfern]

25. His Veterans Affairs policy proposal was passed into law last year

[NuclearDem]

33. Neither the Choice Act nor the Clay Hunt Act makes a comprehensive veterans policy.

[MisterP]

39. they're attacking Sanders for having a record of laws, riders, hearings, and committee involvement

instead of a separate page on his campaign website

the jokes just write themselves at this point

[NuclearDem]

61. Hardly. O'Malley implemented several programs for veterans in Maryland

and also has the most comprehensive veterans issues policy proposal of all the candidates running in either party.

Besides, Sanders' record doesn't even remotely cover all the issues important to veterans.

[FSogol]

28. Here's O'Malley's Veterans Affairs plan:

Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/

and his climate and environmental plans:

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

and his Wall St policy:
Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

and his social security policy:
Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/

and his campaign finance policy:
Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

And many more policies posted in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600

[Thinkingabout]

29. K & R

Clinton has been an advocate of children for a long time, concerned they were going to school, their health and their well being. This is not new for her, a concern of K-12 is a basis for college, without the early education paying for all the college tuition is not going to happen for the ones who does not get the K-12, a useless policy for those who are not educated.

[ismnotwasm]

34. K&R

[merrily]

35. Bernie actually passed legislation benefiting vets. Beats meaningless campaign rhetoric any day.

Brookings Institute uses it as a case study in working across the aisle successfully.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027637

[tecelote]

44. Doesn't matter that Bernie has passed actual legislation.

Hillary supporters just need a reason to throw crap around.

[merrily]

47. Rove: Swiftboat your opponent on your weakness and his strength.

[Hiraeth]

48. from what I can see they don't even need a reason.

[JaneyVee]

49. Good. But I'm looking for policy proposals.

[merrily]

51. Because you'd rather see something relatively meaningless or because Hillary put hers out?

We see you.

[JaneyVee]

53. Hillary put a lot out, as you can see above...

And this isn't even her full list.

[Rogue Democrat]

72. What I see is mostly lip service on all recently changed positions

and lying about it. Everyone and their mothers who aren't Establishment or 1% knows that Clinton will change her positions immediately after the primaries if she wins. You can go ahead and vote for Clinton in the primaries, but I intend to vote for my candidate and the Democratic nominee in the General Election.

[mcar]

37. K&R

[William769]

40. Kick & highly recommended!

[ejbr]

45. Cut him some slack...

he doesn't have his donors writing legislation for him. He'll provide.

[Unknown Beatle]

58. Where's Hillary's Veteran's Affairs policy proposal?

Oh yeah, I forgot. They're blowing in the wind.

[NuclearDem]

59. Actually, she published a comprehensive veterans policy yesterday.

It's almost as good as O'Malley's, in fact.

[Unknown Beatle]

60. Yet, you discount what Sanders has done.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/caring-for-our-veterans/

[NuclearDem]

62. No, I don't discount what Sanders has done.

What I, and frankly a lot of veterans organizations, want to see is that Sanders clearly understands what veterans need and that he's listening to what advocates are calling for.

"Look at his record" doesn't cut it. If we're judging by concrete accomplishments, he's not even the strongest candidate on veterans issues--that goes to O'Malley. Furthermore, since the VA health system imploded while we was chair of SVAC, we need to know if he understands what's wrong with the VA health system and how he plans to fix it.

[JaneyVee]

64. bingo.

[Unknown Beatle]

66. Look, I know where you're going with this,

but the fact of the matter is that Hillary's record speaks for itself.

The TPP is going to be a disaster for this country and Bernie had been against it from the get go. As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton had an intimate role helping to craft and lobby for the TPP.

Bernie fought against the IWR. Hillary lied when she explained why she was for it, using right wing talking points about how Saddam Hussein was building a nuclear program (bombs), biological and chemical weapons, in other words, WMDs.

Watch how she smiles when she says it's a very difficult vote to go to war at 52 seconds on the video.

The thing is, you're saying that Hillary is for veterans and VA, and they need to do more for our returning injured soldiers or who have PTSD. But, we wouldn't need the VA as mush as we do now if Hillary hadn't been one that voted to go to war. And it's BS to claim that she didn't know better. Bernie knew that it would be a disaster. So now she's saying that in hindsight it was a mistake.

She backs “massive retaliation” if Iran attacks Israel, saying at the time:

“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

The simple truth is that's she a war hawk and war produces more injured veterans which in turn we'll need more VA clinics and hospitals.

[NuclearDem]

67. Actually, you apparently don't know where I'm going with this.

I'm an O'Malley supporter. He has a comprehensive plan that goes into great detail on every major issue veterans organizations are concerned about, and he as a record as governor that includes implementing programs that serve veterans and military families.

You asked if Clinton had a veterans policy proposal. I pointed out that she had published a comprehensive proposal on her website yesterday. Sanders is the only candidate in the Democratic field that hasn't published a policy proposal that covers even a third of what advocacy groups are discussing.

Sorry, but Sanders needs to do a whole lot better.

[Unknown Beatle]

68. You say tomatos and I say tomatoes...

Let's call the whole thing off.

[IllinoisBrenel]

71. Bernie's Plan

Seems similar to O' Malley's in some ways, he includes college for the military and their families, discusses homelessness, etc. Maybe Martin does more in the way of reform, but Bernie improves on a very good existing bill. Wouldn't it be better to "not reinvent the wheel" if the bill is just as good? It would probably be less costly and it would be easier to pass in a Republican controlled Congress!

[Cha]

73. Thanks for asking, Janey.

[tazkcmo]

76. Veterans.

Good luck with that one. The only thing Sec Clinton has done for vets is create more and devastate their families while
Sen Sanders lead the charge to hire more doctors and nurses to eliminate the back log Sen Clinton helped create with her IWR vote. Veterans like myself know who had/has our back and it's not the 1% or their candidate.

[Alfresco]

77. Any specific policy proposals yet?

Just curious.

[Alfresco]

78. hmmm?

[NurseJackie]

79. Plans lacking details are invulnerable to "attacks" and scrutiny, and easier to "defend" …

… rather than defending or explaining specifics, they often say things like: "How can you be opposed to XYZ?" • "Other countries have XYZ!" • "Explain how our failing "JKL" is better than "XYZ".

[Alfresco]

80. I see ...

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Sounds like what's happening with the frontrunner on the republican side.
Maybe Bernie will get to work on all of these policy proposals soon, time is running out.
Or maybe not.
We'll see.

[NurseJackie]

81. :-)

Whatever their plan is, it's not working as well as they'd hoped. His poll numbers demonstrate that, and they're scared. Which helps to explain the frothy rabid attacks. The more they go over the top (over the edge?) the happier I am.