Why is Clinton and her supporters trying to "Swift Boat" Bernie Sanders?

[ThePhilosopher04]

What are they afraid of?

[restorefreedom]

1. a repeat of 08, which is very likely. nt

[randys1]

2. Swift boat? Can you be more specific as to what you are talking about?

[George II]

75. Probably not - it's one of those "drive by" smears by Sanders supporters.

[Jack Rabbit]

81. You mean like "Bernie is a racist/sexist/unelectable"

Those drive-by smears?

[George II]

102. Who said he was a racist or sexist?

[Jack Rabbit]

112. !!

Poll: Is Bernie Sanders a Racist?
Hillary Clinton Smearing Bernie Sanders as "Sexist" is Both Ridiculous & Dishonest
Hikllary Clinton Falsely Calls Bernie Sanders a Sexist

[George II]

113. Who called Sanders a racist or sexist?

[Jack Rabbit]

118. Put on you specticles and read it, Your Majesty

In the case of the first link, there is a link within that says "show names". You;ll find three DU tag names, I'll let you guys in the HRC Group deal with them.

[brooklynite]

116. Explain how "Bernie is unelectable" is "swiftboating"?

And will you agree that comments that Clinton can't win the General Election are equally deplorable?

[Jack Rabbit]

129. I didn't say it was "swifboating"

However, our royal friend in post 75 referred to unspecified "drive by smears." Since recent polls show that Senator Sanders can beat the leading GOP candidates "in a landslide" I think we can conclude that the proposition about him being undetectable is false, qualifiying it as a drive by smear.

I don't find the statement that Mrs. Clinton as deplorable, but only because the argument supporting is more amusing. It is, never the less, equally false.

[PatrynXX]

97. more like that photo of him isn't him smear

yeah .. might have to read more on the page to figure it out X_X

[olegramps]

106. I like a spirited discussion of the issues, but much of this is uncalled for.

I t is little damn wonder why the Democrats have been slaughtered in state elections and lost both the control of the senate and house. It is indeed really like herding cats. The comments attacking Obama seem to now be in vogue. Yeah, the sure way to better government is to slander each other.

[NCTraveler]

3. This place is rapidly going from a political discussion forum.

To a comedy club based loosely off politics. Love the op. Perfect parody of the right wing. Might want to add the sarcasm tag. It is too close to reality for some.

[AgingAmerican]

58. The OP describes what Hillary supporters are doing today

Their right wing attacks know no shame. The longer this goes on, the more right wing the attacks become.

[NCTraveler]

61. I'm sorry I'm not sure if you are being serious.

Just going to back away before I start hearing about purple band aids.

[AgingAmerican]

62. Republicans tried to claim Kerry wasn't there on the swift boats

That he made the whole thing up. Hillary supporters know no shame. Check your shame at the door.

[NCTraveler]

64. Shame checked kind sir. Wonderful day and all. nt.

[George II]

110. The OP states:

Why is Clinton and her supporters trying to "Swift Boat" Bernie Sanders? [View all]

What are they afraid of?

No specifics or anything, but the typical "why?" and "what are they afraid of".

I wouldn't be surprised if this 11-year DUer with an average of 50 posts a year comes out soon with "Why do Clinton supporters hate America?"

[AgingAmerican]

133. Don't take my word for it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=798460

[pnwmom]

85. No, it's just a smear based on no particulars. n/t

[George II]

108. With no specifics. Typical.

[UglyGreed]

4. They are desperate

ghosts of past elections are creeping into their dreams at night.

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. why would someone with a 92% chance of winning make their supporters "desperate"?

that's ridiculous...

[UglyGreed]

8. I'm sure that's the tune

ya'll sang in 2008.....

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. I am sure that we are only 90 days from the first round

better get off DU and get to work pounding that pavement!

this ain't 2008...and He ain't Obama!

did Obama ever have only a 7% chance of winning?

[UglyGreed]

12. .

Nov 16–19, 2007 Hillary Clinton 42%, Barack Obama 23%, John Edwards 13%

[VanillaRhapsody]

13. Bernie has a 7% chance

BECAUSE SHE has all the Super Delegates...


THAT was HOW Obama beat her last time....she took his lead.

http://predictwise.com


At the time of Hillary Clinton's campaign suspension on June 7, 2008, the count was 246½ for her and 478 for Barack Obama,[2] with 99 still 'Uncommitted'[3] of the 823½ total then existing, although this number represents the realignment of around 50 superdelegates who switched their support from Clinton to Obama when he had gained the majority of delegates. Clinton released her delegates during the convention.

she has 440 of them now...

[UglyGreed]

16. Let's see what happens when

Bernie has more votes in the primary that Clinton. I'm sure handing the nomination to Hillary will go over real well in the GE............

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. bunk...

there is barely a poll with him leading now....

and she has more than half of all the SuperDelegates...

first state is in 90 days.

[DianeK]

34. you do, of course, realize

that the super delegates commitments are not carved in stone...you know that, right?

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. Are you expecting hundreds of them to change their minds?

[DianeK]

43. relax..

we still have a very long way to go..things have only begun to get interesting

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. Very relaxed thank you

but with only a 7% chance of survival....YOU shouldn't be too relaxed.

[ieoeja]

76. They did in 2008.

She had the Super Delegates wrapped up before the 2008 election too. But when Obama won the primary, most of them switched to match their Elected Delegate representation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

83. Right....but not before HE had most of them

she now has 440 of them which is nearly the number he ended up with....which is WHY she has a 92% chance of winning

Hundreds are just not going to switch....not when poll after poll after poll shows her dominating the race.

[ieoeja]

93. So she had most of them, but not before HE had most of them?

No. Obama did not have most of them before she had most of them. She had most of them "before the primary". Just like she does now.

But hundreds of them "did" switch after Obama won the primary. Then Obama got most of them. After he won the primary, not before. She had them before.

And if Bernie wins the primary, hundreds of them will switch to him. They did it in 2008. They would do the same thing in 2016 "if" someone else wins.

This isn't even something you should be arguing. Even if we pretend this did not happen in 2008, it flies in the face of common sense. Of course, they will switch to the winner. For the same reason they did it in 2008. Ignoring the primary results would kill Democrats.

[UglyGreed]

40. Many polls are not including

new voters, those who are switching from the Green Party to vote in the primary. Never mind the support from Occupy which many people do not realize they are still a factor and have done a lot of good since being beat down, spied on and jailed.

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. 7% is not a poll.....that is his odds based on ALL factors...

including polls and endorsements and Superdelegates...

[UglyGreed]

53. Like I said

we will see what happens in the GE if Clinton is handed the nomination. The only place that Hillary has feverish support is here at DU and still the Berniebotsbrosbuddies have a strong presence here.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. She won't be "handed" the nomination....

she is earning it!

[Bubzer]

96. "ALL factors"? Care to link your source? I highly doubt they've covered all factors.

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. OH pulease

not nearly enough!

92% chance of winning

http://predictwise.com



If you had cancer and the doctor gives you a 7% chance of survival....do you get your affairs in order?

[Plucketeer]

82. Golleeeee...

And here I stupidly thought this was a party of the people. Here it's really up to this select group ( kinda like the special group we have in Congress ) that do the deciding FOR us. Making sure we get the correct corporate lackey to do "what's best" for us. Yeah - I understand that sorta "representation". I got a pachydermal dude what "represents" me in the House. He gives a shit what I say. I wish I had saved the letter his office sent me after I'd been writing him for a while. It said basically: "Do you want responses to your letters or would it be better off if we saved you the nuisance?"
Now I'm to be treated to the same sort of brush-off (Like the bug on Hillary's suit coat) from the party I used to feel I was a part of. Now all I get is a back row ticket to the Coronation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

84. So was Obama Coronated?

Because SuperDelegates is how he beat her!

[Plucketeer]

95. This is what worries me

A veritable third (and maybe 4th) term of the "Obama" is just what we DON'T need. So MANY things he promised - and then had to perform for his corporate owners (rhymes with donors). But hey...... we WILL have a female for president. And THAT is something I'll be able to take to the burgeoning, un-restrained banks.

[VanillaRhapsody]

99. bullshit....

totally fearmongering hogwash

[Plucketeer]

107. Well then

I guess "the queen" it is.

All hail the Queen! All hail the Queen!

[VanillaRhapsody]

109. Actual that is the President...

or were you being sexist by calling her the "queen"? She isn't running for a gender specific role.

[brooklynite]

33. You'll let us know when that happens?

[UglyGreed]

41. I won't have to N/T

[Godhumor]

45. You're more right then you know

Just not for the reasons you think.

[VanillaRhapsody]

103. that is not going to happen...that is what the 7% is predicting...

[karynnj]

37. Obama got more regular delegates than Clinton

He did not beat her by getting a huge number of superdelegates.

In 2008, several Democratic Senators, supporting Obama, disputed the idea - floated by the Clinton team after dissapointing results on SuperTuesday that even if Obama won more total regular delegates - that she was still likely to win by pulling in more superdelegates. They argued that it would destroy the party's chances if someone "won" more regular delegates - had the victory stolen by superdelegates voting en masse for Hillary.

This year, a huge number of super delegates have endorsed HRC very early, but endorsement does not equate to casting their vote. I would bet that HRC will win - all polls suggest that, but if someone did end up getting more regular delegates than HRC, I would remind you that superdelegates can change their votes until they cast them at the convention.

Unlike many regular delegates, they are not obligated to vote for anyone -- these were NOT the delegates HRC freed in 2008.

[VanillaRhapsody]

50. Oh really?

At the time of Hillary Clinton's campaign suspension on June 7, 2008, the count was 246½ for her and 478 for Barack Obama, with 99 still 'Uncommitted' of the 823½ total then existing, although this number represents the realignment of around 50 superdelegates who switched their support from Clinton to Obama when he had gained the majority of delegates. Clinton released her delegates during the convention.



and THAT is the tactic she took this time....go after the Super Delegates...she has 440 of them now....which explains WHY she has a 92% chance of winning now.

[karynnj]

74. As I said Obama had more delegates awarded by the contests

I don't know why YOU are repeating the superdelegate count. Obama had 1828 1/2 vs Clinton's 1726 1/2. As I said, this was a situation the Clinton team anticipated on superTuesday -- when they floated that she could win even if he won more of the delegates awarded by the contests. The Obama surrogates immediately countered that people would find that unfair -- note they could do that as there was no thought what so ever that if it was Hillary who got even ONE more delegate via the contests that the superdelegates would vote to give it to Obama.

My point was that the reason given by the Obama surrogates, while obviously self serving, would likely be true this year as well -- if someone got more of the delegates from caucuses and primaries.

At this point, their endorsements help HRC, but if things changed, I doubt they would vote en masse to eliminate something like the 100 delegate (2%) lead Obama had.

[VanillaRhapsody]

101. He beat her with SuperDelegates...

by hundreds.....she now has 440 of them...almost as much as HE had. No this doesn't bode well for Sanders and WHY he only has a 7% chance...no matter what the polls say.

[karynnj]

114. again, he had 100 more regular delegates

I will predict that if anyone gets as many as 100 more regular delegates, they will win the nomination. I agree that 2008 was close enough that the super delegates could have determined the race, but I do not see them ever voting to overturn the votes of the electorate.

For superdelegayes, endorsing now does not mean you are casting your vote.

[Rogue Democrat]

124. She is intentionally trying making you forget the MI/FL fuckup of 2008

Which Clinton counted on.

[wilsonbooks]

100. If Bernie wins the Primaries and the Super Delegates don't support him at

the convention it will blow the Democratic Party to pieces. So don't pin your hopes on the super delegates.

[VanillaRhapsody]

105. He has a 7% chance of winning that Primary

BECAUSE she has 440 SuperDelegates already...

[wilsonbooks]

115. We will see about that.

Gallup poll, November 2006: Clinton 31, Obama 19
CNN/Opinion Research, November 2006: Clinton 35, Obama 15
Gallup, December 2006: Clinton 33, Obama 20
Gallup, January 2007: Clinton 29, Obama 18
WaPo/ABC, January 2007: Clinton 41, Obama 17
Time, January 2007: Clinton 40, Obama 21

[VanillaRhapsody]

131. Thanks fot proving my point!

[Rogue Democrat]

120. Polls and predictors are not voters.

Voters cares about issues, and that's where Bernie is winning hands down.

Clinton? Not so much. Just telling other people "We're leading big", "Predictwise says 92% inevitability", "Bernie has 7% AA support". All of them are mere opinions.

Nothing more. At the end, we vote who's the best candidate in terms of issues at hand. Not how popular or pretty she looks.

[VanillaRhapsody]

126. Opinions????

Ask Nate Silver....i am sure he just flipps a coin!

[pinebox]

30. You're right he isn't Obama

and he isn't FDR either. Bernie is his own guy and that being said, he's doing BETTER than Obama was at this stage of the election and is even raising more $ than Obama did too.

[AgingAmerican]

17. Good question

Doubt we will ever get an honest answer though.

[VanillaRhapsody]

18. It DOES explain why HIS supporters are desperate...

Desperate enough to think that there was no such thing as a Socialist Democrat.

[AgingAmerican]

21. Projection

And now Swift Boating.

[VanillaRhapsody]

23. What the F am I projecting?

that he is losing his ass right now? That's not projecting....thats a fact!

[AgingAmerican]

26. It's the Swift Boating

Projection

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. who did I accuse?

other than you swiftboating me calling me a Rightwinger..

[upaloopa]

5. What is the hell are you talking about?

More made up shit I suppose.
Is there nothing left that you can say to support Bernie?

[Sheepshank]

24. Clearly

clearly someone hasn't take 3 mins to look at all the headings and posts made in the last 24 hours, 5 days or the last 10 days. The OP is ludicrous in the assertion and assumption that what is happening to Bernie is swifboating when the reality is that it is miniscule in comparison to what is being hurled at Hillary.

What a freaking joke.

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. What the F are you talking about?

[AgingAmerican]

22. Swift Boating

Right wing ruins minds.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. please provide proof that I am swiftboating please...

would love to see it!

[AgingAmerican]

32. Read the OP

[VanillaRhapsody]

36. Its not my OP

try again....please provide proof that I am swiftboating OR a Rightwinger!

sounds like YOU are trying to swiftboat me now!

I know I hurt your feelings the other day....but this is ridiculous...

[AgingAmerican]

38. You jumped in all defensive about it

Right wing ruins everything it touches.

[pnwmom]

86. The OP contains a completely empty claim. Literally. There is nothing there. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

90. Then I will explain it for you

Hillary supporters are now claiming Sanders didn't actually do civil rights work in the 1960s. That jit was just someone who looked like him, but it wasn't actually him.

Same thing they did to Kerry when they tried to claim he 'wasn't there' on the swift boats in Vietnam.

Right wing rots minds.

[pnwmom]

92. Thank you. Finally someone with a theory at least. Do you have a link for that?

Because I haven't seen that anywhere.

[AgingAmerican]

94. Of course I do

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=798460

[pnwmom]

98. This story should go away because it is just stupid. But it is't swift boating.

No one is claiming that Bernie wasn't involved in civil rights from the time of his university days. Just whether that particular picture, labeled by the University, was labeled correctly.

[AgingAmerican]

104. It is swiftboating

By desperate Hillary supporters.

[sabrina 1]

10. Aside from the fact that it is DESPICABLE they are trying to do it because they KNOW

that Bernie is very likely to defeat their candidate and they can't talk about ISSUES because he beats her on every issue.

So they have resorted to Right Wing smear campaigns which can't succeed in the era of Social Media.

[Sheepshank]

28. Despicable for Hillary supporters but fine and dandy for Bernie supporters

got it.

[AgingAmerican]

35. Please tell us all about it

!!

[ibegurpard]

11. cause that's how she rolls

When you lie about stupid insignificant shit it shows you are unable to be truthful.

[99Forever]

63. THIS

It defines Hillary Clinton.

[madamesilverspurs]

14. Ye gods,

nowadays the inane and absurd are passing for meaningful. Ick.

[Renew Deal]

57. The OP reminds me of Ben Carson whining about "vetting."

[merrily]

77. Catching a candidate in a lie or several lies is fair game. That is not what the OP refers to.

[drray23]

15. you should not believe some of the unhinged posts you see on DU

Really, there is no evidence that Hillary's campaign is trying to "swiftboat" Bernie.

Only the supporters are going off the deep end. Bernie and Hillary are both civil and polite to each other and I am pretty sure they respect each other as well.

We on DU are a vocal minority of the electorate. The broader electorate is not passionate towards a candidate or another to the point of going paranoid and inventing conspiracies.

[boston bean]

19. Q-Afraid of?? A-Nothing

[jeff47]

25. A replay of 2008.

IT'S HER TURN!!!

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. Maybe it IS her turn!

seems MOST democrats seem to think it is...

[Dem2]

27. Silly supposition

Makes no sense.

[msongs]

44. my my all these posts and not one bit of evidence about any swiftboating nt

[Godhumor]

48. Were you expecting any?

But it has gotten up to double digit recs, so that makes it true, right?

[bowens43]

49. It's how they roll... IMO a preview of what we can expect from overlord hillary in the oval office

enemies lists , revenge and retribution, smears etc

[azurnoir]

51. we're told Hillary is inevitable, we're told maybe an old man should rest

we're told many things, so yes why indeed?

[still_one]

52. You better put some context into the OP, otherwise this is just flame bait

[still_one]

55. A wonderful hit and run OP with no context. Gee, it couldn't be just to stir up shit could it?

[Renew Deal]

56. Evidence? I know that people are supposed to have nothing but unquestioning worship.

[Metric System]

59. Strange, I only see Sanders supporters posting Right-wing memes and sources.

[pinebox]

65. Give us an example of RW memes and sources please

[OKNancy]

67. just today. it was hidden

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251798352

[pinebox]

68. Thanks!

did you see that blog it's from. Well, that was educational lol

[wilsonbooks]

111. I just read the post and it should have been hidden.

That said notice that several Bernie supporters called for it to be removed. That is rarely the case when A post is falsely accusing Bernie.

[pnwmom]

87. Any post featuring a column by the Libertarian-endorser H.A. Goodman,

who said economic policies of a President don't matter when s/he endorsed Sen. Paul a year ago.

[pinebox]

89. If that's the case

then why did he vote for Obama and Kerry and not Gary Johnson?

I think Snowden should be given amnesty, that doesn't make me a libertarian however.

[pnwmom]

91. Were you there looking over Goodman's shoulder when he or she voted?

The vote wasn't public. But the columns are. And he publicly endorsed Paul for President just a year ago, claiming that his non-progressive economic policies weren't important because Congress has the power of the purse.

[pinebox]

123. See here's the deal

Riddle me this...
Are libertarians right on anything in your eyes?

So his position "evolved" much like Hillary's positions have supposedly.

[pnwmom]

125. Rand Paul rejects the main parts of Libertarianism

that Democrats can agree with. He is against freedom of conscience on abortion, he is against legalized pot, etc. He is a typical tea party person on most issues, and he publicly self-identifies with the tea party.

[2pooped2pop]

66. they are having deja vu

Where a more popular figure becomes such a force that he is able to sweep in, overcome all of the preordained measures that have been put in place and win it even though they all know that it's her turn

[George II]

69. HOW? I've seen this accusation twice here this afternoon, totally devoid of "details" or facts.

Interesting this accusation comes from an 11-year member with only a few hundred posts.

[Godhumor]

72. Between this and the sudden influx of 2015 is 2007 posts, it has been a pretty weird day on DU

Maybe something in the coffee.

[sabrina 1]

70. They are afraid that he is likely to win the nomination and they can't think of any other way to try

to stop. I guess they don't have confidence in their candidate's policy positions v Bernie's to win it for her.

[Godhumor]

73. I don't think a single HRC supporter on DU is afraid of Bernie

More amused than anything, really.

[olddots]

71. this is a very good flame bait post

I agree with the post but I'm not clever enough to answer without being alerted on .This forum had nowhere to go other than becoming a semantics computer war game .

[merrily]

78. Seems like old times.

[FiveGoodMen]

79. What are they afraid of? Government of, by, and for the people.

That's what they're afraid of: Democracy.

[winter is coming]

80. Another trifecta of post-debate focus groups favoring Bernie??? n/t

[pnwmom]

88. I didn't know Bernie served in the military. Tell me more. n/t

[sabrina 1]

117. I think they see how weak her campaign is, how soft the support, and how strong the support for

Bernie is.

[Hepburn]

119. A repeat of 2008 n/t

[Darb]

122. A repeat of what, exactly?

Just curious, and obviously out of the loop.

[Lunabell]

121. Look, we need to stick together

Don't let the right divide us and take the election like they did in 2000!

[Scuba]

127. What are they afraid of? A primary decided on policy.

[Warren DeMontague]

128. basically you have people posting outrageous/inflammatory shit for yuks

then skitterring back over to their hillary hideyhole to high five each other.

I've had more productive political conversations with 6 year olds.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. "O K"

EOM

[NurseJackie]

132. We're certainly not afraid of verb and subject agreement.

[relayerbob]

134. As a Bernie supporter ...

I take offense at this - this is just utter bullshit, and it reeks of desperation. I could as easily ask why the OP is signed on for the GOP Operations Chaos 2016?

[Truprogressive85]

135. HRC supporters are nervous

That is their game to rile up Sanders supporters ! pay them no mind,focus on getting out Sen.Sanders' message out to your friends , neighbors , family members etc. If they want to spend time smearing Sen. Sanders its because they are afraid simple.

#millionstudentmarch is taking place around this country students around the country are fed up with high students loans, tuition rate increase, fees they are beginning to start questing the system asking

Why cant we tax wall street to make all public universities free ?
Why is the student loans more than auto loans surpassing $1 trillion plus ?
If we can go spend money bombing Libya, Syria and opening bases overseas why not put that money towards American kids to go to school.

[INdemo]

136. Just maybe Karl Rove is now working for the Hillary campaign? That was his way right?

Wouldn't that explain it. The Swiftboat thing.....Oh no they have Bill working in the shadows remember?
Or maybe the two are working together.
The Rove way was to make a very false negative comment then run like hell and the corporate media would take care of the rest because they would repeat the false accusations over and over.

For the most part Karl Rove and his candidate GW or Romney had just Fox News and CNN for the most part.

Hillary on the other hand has CNN,Faux,MSNBC,NBC,ABC,CBS and WaP,Chicago Tribune,NY Times.and the list goes on

The Clinton internal polls probably shows cause to be nervous..

[Unknown Beatle]

137. They're not afraid.

They'll pulling out all stops in order to seize power. They're going to cheat, lie, manipulate, and everything else in the "How To Gain Power Through Shady Dealings" book.