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Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:20 PM

 

Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Is Seen as More Likely Than Bernie Sanders to Be Effective

With the Democratic presidential nomination contest all but officially a two-person race, Hillary Rodham Clinton appears vastly better positioned than Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to persuade party primary voters that she would be more effective at passing her agenda and dealing with international crises, according to a New York Times/CBS News survey released Thursday.

Mrs. Clinton even undercuts Mr. Sanders on his core political message, with 62 percent of Democratic primary voters saying she could bring about real change in Washington, compared with 51 percent for Mr. Sanders.

The promise of change, always a popular lure in politics, is at the heart of a striking paradox in the Democratic race. Democratic primary voters say that the ability to deliver needed change is the most important quality they seek in a candidate, and Mr. Sanders’s popularity is highest with voters who want change. Yet 60 percent of Democrats also want their nominee to continue President Obama’s policies, and these voters support Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Sanders by about a 2-to-1 margin.

This advantage for Mrs. Clinton may reflect all-around skepticism that Mr. Sanders’s leftist candidacy can prevail: Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1 margin over Mr. Sanders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/us/politics/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-is-seen-as-more-likely-than-bernie-sanders-to-be-effective.html

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Reply Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Is Seen as More Likely Than Bernie Sanders to Be Effective (Original post)
SecularMotion Nov 2015 OP
HassleCat Nov 2015 #1
merrily Nov 2015 #2
HassleCat Nov 2015 #6
merrily Nov 2015 #9
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #3
merrily Nov 2015 #10
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #15
bowens43 Nov 2015 #4
riversedge Nov 2015 #7
frylock Nov 2015 #12
Scuba Nov 2015 #5
FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #8
merrily Nov 2015 #11
jfern Nov 2015 #13
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #17
jfern Nov 2015 #18
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #20
jfern Nov 2015 #22
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #25
jfern Nov 2015 #27
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #28
jfern Nov 2015 #29
LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #14
WillyT Nov 2015 #16
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #19
Trajan Nov 2015 #21
Doctor_J Nov 2015 #23
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #30
Persondem Nov 2015 #24
jwirr Nov 2015 #26
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #31

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:25 PM

1. Change?

 

I am nervous the next president will change too much of what Obama did, or change the wrong things. The respondents contradict themselves in this poll, because they want a president who can change things, but they support sticking with Obama's program, which is a no-change policy. I guess we all want to have our cake and eat it, too.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:27 PM

2. A socialist afraid of change from the administration of a New Democrat? Interesting!

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Response to merrily (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:33 PM

6. Foreign policy would be one example

 

Clinton makes it clear she will pursue a more aggressive foreign policy. What about the war on drugs? Immigration?

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:42 PM

9. Actually, she just said she will not be more aggressive than Obama. So, you're fearful of change in

what we did in Libya? Drones?

What about the war on drugs? I don't follow this closely, but my understanding, without googling, is that even medical marijuana is still not legal, even in states that wish to make it legal. No change desired there?

What about immigration? You liked everything Obama did with that?

https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:29 PM

3. I can see more change with Clinton than Sanders. Clinton is getting lots of endorsements from

Congressional members than Sanders. Congress working in with a president is very important.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:47 PM

10. If you think Republicans, who control both Houses, will work with Hillary better than they will work

with Sanders, think again. She was disrespectful, which people with gifs in their posts seem to think was funny for a Presidential hopeful who may have to work with these people; and she very recently Republicans the enemy of which she is most proud. Besides, they've hated her for years.

They have a lot more respect for Sanders. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251715777

And, unlike Hillary Sanders has a track record of working across the aisle in an exemplary manner. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027637

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Response to merrily (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:13 PM

15. Did I say anything about the Republicans? It just might be possible the Republican congressional

Thinks the same of Sanders as the Democratic congressional members, he does not work well with others.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:29 PM

4. she will never have the chance to prove it , if nominated

 

,president trump (or cruz or jeb)will sworn in in 2017

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:37 PM

7. 'Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1..

Madam President will prevail. Yes she will

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Response to riversedge (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:50 PM

12. Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1.

Her party’s primary voters.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:30 PM

5. I bet. She and the Republicans will dole out shit sandwiches so fast it'll make your head spin.

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:40 PM

8. No question about it by the polling and endorsements she's receiving

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:48 PM

11. Just like this time 2008! Fun fact: Kerry was barely a blip on the screen one month before Iowa.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:51 PM

13. That's because most people don't know that Bernie has a good record of actually getting things done

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Response to jfern (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:52 PM

17. Are you talking about a lot of things actually done as in three bills he sponsored getting passed in

The twenty five years he has been in congress? How many years as president before we can expect him to get something accomplished by his past record?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:54 PM

18. He's gotten a lot more done than that

It's your candidate who has the weak Congressional record.

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Response to jfern (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:57 PM

20. Then he needs to find a way to rewrite the voting and sponsor record of Congress.

Changing the records is not going to be easy. I would have thought you knew his record. It is easily found. Ask him, he will tell you the truth.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:35 PM

22. That doesn't even count companion bills, let alone amendments

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Response to jfern (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:45 PM

25. I gave his record, tell the record keepers they are wrong.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:02 AM

27. Hillary doesn't have any accomplishments either under that metric

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Response to jfern (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:17 AM

28. Had the same in 8 years, ratio was much better.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:19 AM

29. It's a lot harder to get a bill signed into law as a Representative

The Speaker really controls the House, unlike the Senate where individual Senators have a fair amount of power.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:59 PM

14. They know she is a much harder worker with a much greater scope of influence

developed over decades of face to face relationship building on a local, national and global level.

Bernie does what he can in these few short months after venturing forth from his cloister in Vermont.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:19 PM

16. Effective At What ??? - Greasing The Skids For The 1% ???

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:55 PM

19. No, actually helping citizens of the US. The 1% do not need her help.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:19 PM

21. This is one of the most outlandish notions

 

Between Clinton and Sanders - Clinton will bring the greatest change? ... Her stated policy goals are nearly non existent ... Her declared plans are pretty much status quo, while Sanders has informed the world that he intends to being GREAT change to our nation's policies ...

This is just so fucking ridiculous ... Unbelievable ...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:38 PM

23. I don't want her to be effective

 

More war, more privatization, less regulation of her wall street friends, more charter schools...

If these poll respondents are saying she'll work more with the republicans to screw us over, I guess that makes sense.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:21 AM

30. Huummmm, yes you are right, she has voted less times for military action than

Sanders has, but then he needs to keep his defense contractors in contracts. He votes for the F-35 to help his friends at Lockheed Martin, probably enough money to pay for his tuition plan.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:41 PM

24. Good news. Thank you for posting K&R nt.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:00 AM

26. Like Bill was so effective when he reformed welfare for the

Rs, when he created tough on crime laws and when he repealed Glass-Steagall for the bankers......
Any one can get things done if they are doing what the opposition wants them to do.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:22 AM

31. Bill Clinton did not repeal Glass Stegall, he signed a veto proof bill.

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