2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPoll Shows Hillary Clinton Is Seen as More Likely Than Bernie Sanders to Be Effective
Mrs. Clinton even undercuts Mr. Sanders on his core political message, with 62 percent of Democratic primary voters saying she could bring about real change in Washington, compared with 51 percent for Mr. Sanders.
The promise of change, always a popular lure in politics, is at the heart of a striking paradox in the Democratic race. Democratic primary voters say that the ability to deliver needed change is the most important quality they seek in a candidate, and Mr. Sanderss popularity is highest with voters who want change. Yet 60 percent of Democrats also want their nominee to continue President Obamas policies, and these voters support Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Sanders by about a 2-to-1 margin.
This advantage for Mrs. Clinton may reflect all-around skepticism that Mr. Sanderss leftist candidacy can prevail: Her partys primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1 margin over Mr. Sanders.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/us/politics/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-is-seen-as-more-likely-than-bernie-sanders-to-be-effective.html
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I am nervous the next president will change too much of what Obama did, or change the wrong things. The respondents contradict themselves in this poll, because they want a president who can change things, but they support sticking with Obama's program, which is a no-change policy. I guess we all want to have our cake and eat it, too.
merrily
(45,251 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Clinton makes it clear she will pursue a more aggressive foreign policy. What about the war on drugs? Immigration?
merrily
(45,251 posts)what we did in Libya? Drones?
What about the war on drugs? I don't follow this closely, but my understanding, without googling, is that even medical marijuana is still not legal, even in states that wish to make it legal. No change desired there?
What about immigration? You liked everything Obama did with that?
https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Congressional members than Sanders. Congress working in with a president is very important.
merrily
(45,251 posts)with Sanders, think again. She was disrespectful, which people with gifs in their posts seem to think was funny for a Presidential hopeful who may have to work with these people; and she very recently Republicans the enemy of which she is most proud. Besides, they've hated her for years.
They have a lot more respect for Sanders. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251715777
And, unlike Hillary Sanders has a track record of working across the aisle in an exemplary manner. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027637
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Thinks the same of Sanders as the Democratic congressional members, he does not work well with others.
bowens43
(16,064 posts),president trump (or cruz or jeb)will sworn in in 2017
riversedge
(69,724 posts)Madam President will prevail. Yes she will
frylock
(34,825 posts)Her partys primary voters.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)FloridaBlues
(3,993 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The twenty five years he has been in congress? How many years as president before we can expect him to get something accomplished by his past record?
jfern
(5,204 posts)It's your candidate who has the weak Congressional record.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Changing the records is not going to be easy. I would have thought you knew his record. It is easily found. Ask him, he will tell you the truth.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)The Speaker really controls the House, unlike the Senate where individual Senators have a fair amount of power.
LuvLoogie
(6,854 posts)developed over decades of face to face relationship building on a local, national and global level.
Bernie does what he can in these few short months after venturing forth from his cloister in Vermont.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Between Clinton and Sanders - Clinton will bring the greatest change? ... Her stated policy goals are nearly non existent ... Her declared plans are pretty much status quo, while Sanders has informed the world that he intends to being GREAT change to our nation's policies ...
This is just so fucking ridiculous ... Unbelievable ...
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)More war, more privatization, less regulation of her wall street friends, more charter schools...
If these poll respondents are saying she'll work more with the republicans to screw us over, I guess that makes sense.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sanders has, but then he needs to keep his defense contractors in contracts. He votes for the F-35 to help his friends at Lockheed Martin, probably enough money to pay for his tuition plan.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Rs, when he created tough on crime laws and when he repealed Glass-Steagall for the bankers......
Any one can get things done if they are doing what the opposition wants them to do.