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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:20 PM Nov 2015

Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Is Seen as More Likely Than Bernie Sanders to Be Effective

With the Democratic presidential nomination contest all but officially a two-person race, Hillary Rodham Clinton appears vastly better positioned than Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to persuade party primary voters that she would be more effective at passing her agenda and dealing with international crises, according to a New York Times/CBS News survey released Thursday.

Mrs. Clinton even undercuts Mr. Sanders on his core political message, with 62 percent of Democratic primary voters saying she could bring about real change in Washington, compared with 51 percent for Mr. Sanders.

The promise of change, always a popular lure in politics, is at the heart of a striking paradox in the Democratic race. Democratic primary voters say that the ability to deliver needed change is the most important quality they seek in a candidate, and Mr. Sanders’s popularity is highest with voters who want change. Yet 60 percent of Democrats also want their nominee to continue President Obama’s policies, and these voters support Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Sanders by about a 2-to-1 margin.

This advantage for Mrs. Clinton may reflect all-around skepticism that Mr. Sanders’s leftist candidacy can prevail: Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1 margin over Mr. Sanders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/us/politics/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-is-seen-as-more-likely-than-bernie-sanders-to-be-effective.html
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Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Is Seen as More Likely Than Bernie Sanders to Be Effective (Original Post) SecularMotion Nov 2015 OP
Change? HassleCat Nov 2015 #1
A socialist afraid of change from the administration of a New Democrat? Interesting! merrily Nov 2015 #2
Foreign policy would be one example HassleCat Nov 2015 #6
Actually, she just said she will not be more aggressive than Obama. So, you're fearful of change in merrily Nov 2015 #9
I can see more change with Clinton than Sanders. Clinton is getting lots of endorsements from Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #3
If you think Republicans, who control both Houses, will work with Hillary better than they will work merrily Nov 2015 #10
Did I say anything about the Republicans? It just might be possible the Republican congressional Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #15
she will never have the chance to prove it , if nominated bowens43 Nov 2015 #4
'Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1.. riversedge Nov 2015 #7
Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1. frylock Nov 2015 #12
I bet. She and the Republicans will dole out shit sandwiches so fast it'll make your head spin. Scuba Nov 2015 #5
No question about it by the polling and endorsements she's receiving FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #8
Just like this time 2008! Fun fact: Kerry was barely a blip on the screen one month before Iowa. merrily Nov 2015 #11
That's because most people don't know that Bernie has a good record of actually getting things done jfern Nov 2015 #13
Are you talking about a lot of things actually done as in three bills he sponsored getting passed in Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #17
He's gotten a lot more done than that jfern Nov 2015 #18
Then he needs to find a way to rewrite the voting and sponsor record of Congress. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #20
That doesn't even count companion bills, let alone amendments jfern Nov 2015 #22
I gave his record, tell the record keepers they are wrong. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #25
Hillary doesn't have any accomplishments either under that metric jfern Nov 2015 #27
Had the same in 8 years, ratio was much better. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #28
It's a lot harder to get a bill signed into law as a Representative jfern Nov 2015 #29
They know she is a much harder worker with a much greater scope of influence LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #14
Effective At What ??? - Greasing The Skids For The 1% ??? WillyT Nov 2015 #16
No, actually helping citizens of the US. The 1% do not need her help. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #19
This is one of the most outlandish notions Trajan Nov 2015 #21
I don't want her to be effective Doctor_J Nov 2015 #23
Huummmm, yes you are right, she has voted less times for military action than Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #30
Good news. Thank you for posting K&R nt. Persondem Nov 2015 #24
Like Bill was so effective when he reformed welfare for the jwirr Nov 2015 #26
Bill Clinton did not repeal Glass Stegall, he signed a veto proof bill. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #31
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Change?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:25 PM
Nov 2015

I am nervous the next president will change too much of what Obama did, or change the wrong things. The respondents contradict themselves in this poll, because they want a president who can change things, but they support sticking with Obama's program, which is a no-change policy. I guess we all want to have our cake and eat it, too.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
6. Foreign policy would be one example
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:33 PM
Nov 2015

Clinton makes it clear she will pursue a more aggressive foreign policy. What about the war on drugs? Immigration?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Actually, she just said she will not be more aggressive than Obama. So, you're fearful of change in
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:42 PM
Nov 2015

what we did in Libya? Drones?

What about the war on drugs? I don't follow this closely, but my understanding, without googling, is that even medical marijuana is still not legal, even in states that wish to make it legal. No change desired there?

What about immigration? You liked everything Obama did with that?

https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. I can see more change with Clinton than Sanders. Clinton is getting lots of endorsements from
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:29 PM
Nov 2015

Congressional members than Sanders. Congress working in with a president is very important.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. If you think Republicans, who control both Houses, will work with Hillary better than they will work
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:47 PM
Nov 2015

with Sanders, think again. She was disrespectful, which people with gifs in their posts seem to think was funny for a Presidential hopeful who may have to work with these people; and she very recently Republicans the enemy of which she is most proud. Besides, they've hated her for years.

They have a lot more respect for Sanders. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251715777

And, unlike Hillary Sanders has a track record of working across the aisle in an exemplary manner. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027637

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. Did I say anything about the Republicans? It just might be possible the Republican congressional
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:13 PM
Nov 2015

Thinks the same of Sanders as the Democratic congressional members, he does not work well with others.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
4. she will never have the chance to prove it , if nominated
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:29 PM
Nov 2015

,president trump (or cruz or jeb)will sworn in in 2017

riversedge

(69,724 posts)
7. 'Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1..
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:37 PM
Nov 2015

Madam President will prevail. Yes she will

frylock

(34,825 posts)
12. Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:50 PM
Nov 2015

Her party’s primary voters.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Are you talking about a lot of things actually done as in three bills he sponsored getting passed in
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:52 PM
Nov 2015

The twenty five years he has been in congress? How many years as president before we can expect him to get something accomplished by his past record?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. Then he needs to find a way to rewrite the voting and sponsor record of Congress.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:57 PM
Nov 2015

Changing the records is not going to be easy. I would have thought you knew his record. It is easily found. Ask him, he will tell you the truth.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
29. It's a lot harder to get a bill signed into law as a Representative
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:19 AM
Nov 2015

The Speaker really controls the House, unlike the Senate where individual Senators have a fair amount of power.

LuvLoogie

(6,854 posts)
14. They know she is a much harder worker with a much greater scope of influence
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:59 PM
Nov 2015

developed over decades of face to face relationship building on a local, national and global level.

Bernie does what he can in these few short months after venturing forth from his cloister in Vermont.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
21. This is one of the most outlandish notions
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:19 PM
Nov 2015

Between Clinton and Sanders - Clinton will bring the greatest change? ... Her stated policy goals are nearly non existent ... Her declared plans are pretty much status quo, while Sanders has informed the world that he intends to being GREAT change to our nation's policies ...

This is just so fucking ridiculous ... Unbelievable ...

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
23. I don't want her to be effective
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:38 PM
Nov 2015

More war, more privatization, less regulation of her wall street friends, more charter schools...

If these poll respondents are saying she'll work more with the republicans to screw us over, I guess that makes sense.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
30. Huummmm, yes you are right, she has voted less times for military action than
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:21 AM
Nov 2015

Sanders has, but then he needs to keep his defense contractors in contracts. He votes for the F-35 to help his friends at Lockheed Martin, probably enough money to pay for his tuition plan.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
26. Like Bill was so effective when he reformed welfare for the
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:00 AM
Nov 2015

Rs, when he created tough on crime laws and when he repealed Glass-Steagall for the bankers......
Any one can get things done if they are doing what the opposition wants them to do.

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