Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:34 AM
Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)
So, about this meme that you have to have bazillions of dollars
to compete in today's political environment. If that was the case, Jeb would be winning by a landslide, Meg Whitman would have been California's Governor and Carly Fiorina would have been one of it's Senators.
Keep fighting, Bernie supporters, it's been done before and we can do it again.
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Le Taz Hot | Nov 2015 | OP |
Kalidurga | Nov 2015 | #1 | |
jwirr | Nov 2015 | #4 | |
Le Taz Hot | Nov 2015 | #17 | |
BlueCaliDem | Nov 2015 | #2 | |
NurseJackie | Nov 2015 | #8 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #9 | |
reddread | Nov 2015 | #18 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #20 | |
reddread | Nov 2015 | #21 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #22 | |
reddread | Nov 2015 | #23 | |
dsc | Nov 2015 | #3 | |
Omaha Steve | Nov 2015 | #5 | |
SunSeeker | Nov 2015 | #6 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #7 | |
SunSeeker | Nov 2015 | #10 | |
eridani | Nov 2015 | #11 | |
MohRokTah | Nov 2015 | #16 | |
Name removed | Nov 2015 | #25 | |
eridani | Nov 2015 | #33 | |
SunSeeker | Nov 2015 | #30 | |
eridani | Nov 2015 | #32 | |
SunSeeker | Nov 2015 | #34 | |
eridani | Nov 2015 | #35 | |
AgingAmerican | Nov 2015 | #12 | |
Le Taz Hot | Nov 2015 | #13 | |
brooklynite | Nov 2015 | #14 | |
reddread | Nov 2015 | #19 | |
Nay | Nov 2015 | #27 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Nov 2015 | #28 | |
MohRokTah | Nov 2015 | #15 | |
Rosa Luxemburg | Nov 2015 | #24 | |
Name removed | Nov 2015 | #26 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Nov 2015 | #29 | |
Uncle Joe | Nov 2015 | #31 |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:37 AM
Kalidurga (14,177 posts)
1. But we do have a bazillion dollars
Bernie has 700,000 people that send him money. And there is the hidden campaign money it can't be counted there is just no way to estimate the amount of money all the volunteers spend knocking on doors, going to canvassing meetings, and all the other volunteer campaign work.
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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:00 PM
jwirr (39,215 posts)
4. Buying our own signs, copying or own flyers, organizing our
own meetings and actions.
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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:05 AM
Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)
17. Of course you're right.
Those are the "intangibles" the Bean Counters hate because there's no way to quantify it.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:42 AM
BlueCaliDem (15,438 posts)
2. Not in the Primary but most certainly in the General Election.
In the primary, it's basically Party candidates against one another and a few million should be enough.
However, once the primaries are over, Citizens United becomes all-important when Democrat campaigns against Republican for the White House. Big Money will begin to unite against their single adversary. Since Sanders is principled and is bucking the Citizens United new rules, and has neither big donors in the primaries and definitely none (no Super PACs) for the G.E., he'll be an easy target to defeat by the GOP money machine and the Libertarian billionaires who want to destroy "Big Gubmint". In this era of Citizens United, your preferred primary candidate has decided to handicap himself just before entering the ring. Not smart. Noble? Principled? Ethical? Morally sound? Absolutely. But not a winning strategy against an opponent who is willing to bring out the big guns while Sanders holds a water pistol. |
Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:34 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
8. Thank you! nt
Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:35 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
9. What can big money accomplish that grass root cannot?
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #9)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:09 PM
reddread (6,896 posts)
18. buy off the media
now why would that be necessary, let alone legal?
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Response to reddread (Reply #18)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:11 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
20. I get your point, but *the media* is already OWNED by the 1%
They are simply a propaganda arm
of the oligarchs. The 4th Estate is long gone. It seems the money buys ADVERTISING. It keeps the flow of money flowing from the top, to the enablers. |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #20)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:17 PM
reddread (6,896 posts)
21. more like a revolving merry go round in this case
contributions flowing one way, votes flowing the other.
big media budgets, no nasty (or for that matter, fair) coverage. total abrogation of responsibilities in place and inherent from the dawn of broadcasting, no matter how they shed them, crimes against democracy. believing a word or apparent action from criminals like that is a bad idea. |
Response to reddread (Reply #21)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:18 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
22. Yep, That's how we know the 4th Estate is dead.
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #22)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:24 PM
reddread (6,896 posts)
23. 1st Amendment obituary written by "acceptable sources"
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:45 AM
dsc (51,778 posts)
3. jerry brown was the best known, non incumbent politician in the state when he ran and beat whitman
Jeb is losing to people who also have money (he isn't losing to Kasich for example).
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:07 PM
Omaha Steve (93,551 posts)
5. And use our DU link to donate to Bernie
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:12 PM
SunSeeker (49,626 posts)
6. The 2016 Presidential Election is expected to cost $5 Billion.
This is not a state office campaign in a blue state. The Fiorina and Whitman examples in California, where very popular and well known and well financed Dem Governor and Senate candidates were on the ballot (Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer), are just not applicable.
Bernie cannot do this on $10 Act Blue internet donations and no super pac help. Ask Russ Feingold. |
Response to SunSeeker (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:19 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
7. It won't *cost* 5 billion. That's what will be spent
At $5 billion, what does
that breakdown to per vote? What other nation spends that kind of money to elect leaders? NONE. It's a symptom of the cancer that plagues of political system. It's a sure sign of corruption. |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #7)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:23 PM
SunSeeker (49,626 posts)
10. That's all you've got? Playing with semantics?
How about addressing my point?
How is unilateral disarmament going to get us what we want? |
Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:58 AM
eridani (51,907 posts)
11. How does money overcome grassroots organizing? n/t
Response to eridani (Reply #11)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:04 AM
MohRokTah (15,429 posts)
16. Paying three people to GOTV to every grassroots volunteer your opponent has in GOTV = Landslide. eom
Response to MohRokTah (Reply #16)
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #16)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:24 PM
eridani (51,907 posts)
33. Because paid GOTV people are really, really motivated?
The game has changed with traditional media seeing significant aging of viewership, and social media and podcasting taking on increasingly important roles.
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Response to eridani (Reply #11)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:11 PM
SunSeeker (49,626 posts)
30. By overwhelming the airwaves with propaganda. nt
Response to SunSeeker (Reply #30)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:21 PM
eridani (51,907 posts)
32. So who's listening to the airwaves anymore?
Mostly people who won't vote for Democrats anyway.
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Response to eridani (Reply #32)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:46 AM
SunSeeker (49,626 posts)
34. Right. Who needs TV ads. Only Republicans watch TV.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #34)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:24 AM
eridani (51,907 posts)
35. Most voters are more annoyed by them than convinced of anything.
TV viewing is way down, with the median age of broadcast TV reaching an all time high of 54.
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:07 AM
AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)
12. Money can't buy you love
Ask Scott Walker and Jeb! Jeb! has about $200 million. Walker has the Koch Brothers. Money can't buy you love.
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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #12)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:54 AM
Le Taz Hot (22,271 posts)
13. And money can't buy enthusiasm
and money doesn't translate to votes. That's why all these, "But Brown and . . . state elections . . . and established candidates" reactions. Money changing hands between the .01%ers is all they know.
BUT, we have to keep him viable throughout the early primary states so the REST OF THE COUNTRY can have the option of voting for him. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:00 AM
brooklynite (86,892 posts)
14. Correction, you have to have money as a threshold; you can still be a hopeless candidate...
Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:10 PM
reddread (6,896 posts)
19. thats for sure
Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nay (12,049 posts)
27. Thank you. Enough money is the baseline -- you still have to be able to run a
campaign, display energy, etc.
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Response to Nay (Reply #27)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:05 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
28. I want to include, as a huge etc., ...
"and connect with key constituencies, within your parties base."
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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:02 AM
MohRokTah (15,429 posts)
15. Money is a key component to the game.
And Sanders just does not have the fund raising capability in order to win a GE.
End of story. |
Response to MohRokTah (Reply #15)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:37 PM
Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)
24. Not true
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Response to Name removed (Reply #26)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:10 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
29. Now, THAT, is a meme ...
a fantasy fueled meme at that.
At the end, it'll be the decisions influenced by CU that will doom Clinton.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, HRC has the money to compete in this CU age; however, Bernie and O'Malley, do not ... less so, O'Malley, because he has not foreclosed on fund raising streams. That, and Bernie's base is still growing on a rapid basis. None of them will ever be polled, of course.
That was the fantasy part. |
Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:15 PM
Uncle Joe (55,629 posts)
31. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Le Taz Hot.
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