Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:50 PM

upaloopa (11,417 posts)

ISIS was a result of the Iraq war, I think that is agreed to.

Yes Hillary voted for the IWR. I, like most of us, was against the Iraq war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I was against the Afghanistan war. I think we should have gone after the terrorists as a police action.
I now think we should go after ISIS as a police action with a world coalition involved.

The problem as I see it is that the western world does not take into account that there are ethic factions who have been fighting each other forever. And we need to see that that fundamentalist religions are a threat to the world no matter what the religion.

Calling for peace and calling for war in the terms that we have been using ever since WWII is not the answer in my mind and is not a valid argument here.

I think we need to build an international anti terrorist police force with specific goals and a specific mission to take out terrorist organizations and to protect innocent lives. This might be put together by the UN.

As to the history of our involvement in the Mid East since the Iraq war, I agree that it has been wrong headed. We can't take a side in a civil or religious war. And we can't make a democratic country out of a country with ethnic factions that would rather hate each other than build a country where they live together in peace and share power.

The West needs to protect itself from terrorism but the Mid East needs to solve it's problems it's own way. We can help in some ways but we can't take the leadership roll I think.

I hope to hear my ideas tonight in the debate.

I don't give a shit if you want to attack Hillary for whatever reason about past history. We need to solve our problems today and living in the past doesn't do that. The past can teach us lessons but we can't hope for a better past.

That's how I see it this morning.

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ISIS was a result of the Iraq war, I think that is agreed to. (Original post)	upaloopa	Nov 2015	OP
I would argue that ISIS is the result of a poorly executed Iraq War ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#1
The Bush/Cheney decision to invade Iraq was a reasonable one?	AgingAmerican	Nov 2015	#5
Do you ever read what is written? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#10
147 Democrats voted AGAINST the Iraq war resolution	think	Nov 2015	#18
LePage is	angryvet	Nov 2015	#27
Seems you'll never get past the preconceived notion	Dem2	Nov 2015	#22
I know ... a character flaw. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#23
No not even! We did not need benefit of hindsight to know the Iraq invasion was the wrong thing to	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#6
NO we did not have Richard Clark and many more telling us so ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#11
Well I will have to disagree with you	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#31
This is a truly incredible line of bullshit you're trying to sell here	melman	Nov 2015	#32
You think so? n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#36
A very valid point. Invasion based on lies, but why was it also executed so poorly?	Justice	Nov 2015	#14
It was flawed from the start ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#17
The majority of Democrats in the House voted No, so that's incorrect	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2015	#33
You are correct regarding the vote totals. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#37
10/7/2002 CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin informed Congress	femmedem	Nov 2015	#16
...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#20
Yes, I read that. But "unless attacked first" is important as well	femmedem	Nov 2015	#29
I agree--it not only was a wrong war	ismnotwasm	Nov 2015	#19
I see... so although it was a bogus war, if we'd just have done a better job	whatchamacallit	Nov 2015	#26
yes ... That's exactly what I meant ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2015	#28
very well said	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#2
And please remember the original name for the Iraq war was	benld74	Nov 2015	#3
This One Looks Forward To The Debate When HRC Withdraws Referencing Her Role In Neocon Hegemony	cantbeserious	Nov 2015	#4
If we all learn from our mistakes and improve our actions we are better served.	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#8
Clearly One Has Not Listened - HRC Is Still A Neocon	cantbeserious	Nov 2015	#9
Knock knock	ismnotwasm	Nov 2015	#30
the U.S. military invasion, overthrow, and occupation	bigtree	Nov 2015	#7
+1000	ismnotwasm	Nov 2015	#21
the US effort in the middle east has been under new management the past 7 yrs. Bush is no longer the	msongs	Nov 2015	#12
I'm looking for the candidate that will go after the funding sources	riderinthestorm	Nov 2015	#13
Ihave heard this so many times but I actually dont see the connection	jamzrockz	Nov 2015	#15
It was not an inevitable result of the Iraq War	BainsBane	Nov 2015	#24
ISIS had its genesis in 1989.	randome	Nov 2015	#25
Going forward, we need someone who doesn't think that the top	jfern	Nov 2015	#34
I agree with this:	LWolf	Nov 2015	#35

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:06 PM

1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)

1. I would argue that ISIS is the result of a poorly executed Iraq War ...

I agree that we should not have been there in the first place; but, that is with the benefit of hind-sight. Given the intelligence that was offered at the time (despite, what we now know to have been a lie), the decision was a reasonable one.

I, also, agree that ISIS should be pursued as an international police/law enforcement action; but, that said ... it's a thin line between that and a state of war.

ISIS was a result of the Iraq war, I think that is agreed to.

1. I would argue that ISIS is the result of a poorly executed Iraq War ...

5. The Bush/Cheney decision to invade Iraq was a reasonable one?

10. Do you ever read what is written? ...

18. 147 Democrats voted AGAINST the Iraq war resolution

27. LePage is

22. Seems you'll never get past the preconceived notion

23. I know ... a character flaw. n/t

6. No not even! We did not need benefit of hindsight to know the Iraq invasion was the wrong thing to

11. NO we did not have Richard Clark and many more telling us so ...

31. Well I will have to disagree with you

32. This is a truly incredible line of bullshit you're trying to sell here

36. You think so? n/t

14. A very valid point. Invasion based on lies, but why was it also executed so poorly?

17. It was flawed from the start ...

33. The majority of Democrats in the House voted No, so that's incorrect

37. You are correct regarding the vote totals. n/t

16. 10/7/2002 CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin informed Congress

20. ...

29. Yes, I read that. But "unless attacked first" is important as well

19. I agree--it not only was a wrong war

26. I see... so although it was a bogus war, if we'd just have done a better job

28. yes ... That's exactly what I meant ...

2. very well said

3. And please remember the original name for the Iraq war was

4. This One Looks Forward To The Debate When HRC Withdraws Referencing Her Role In Neocon Hegemony

8. If we all learn from our mistakes and improve our actions we are better served.

9. Clearly One Has Not Listened - HRC Is Still A Neocon

30. Knock knock

7. the U.S. military invasion, overthrow, and occupation

21. +1000

12. the US effort in the middle east has been under new management the past 7 yrs. Bush is no longer the

13. I'm looking for the candidate that will go after the funding sources

15. Ihave heard this so many times but I actually dont see the connection

24. It was not an inevitable result of the Iraq War

25. ISIS had its genesis in 1989.

34. Going forward, we need someone who doesn't think that the top

35. I agree with this: