Heroes (not rats) leaving a sinking ship

[Attorney in Texas]

Nina Turner

[reformist2]

1. I can't wait until Hero #2 jumps ship, then Hero #3...

[Segami]

10. +1000

[UglyGreed]

2. K/R

touche

[SunSeeker]

3. So Nina's leaving the Sanders campaign?

[Attorney in Texas]

5. Remind me, which candidate's polling is way down since May?

[SunSeeker]

6. Remind me again which candidate is 26 points ahead and surging?

Of never mind, your graph shows it. Hillary 58 to Bernie 31.6, with Hillary shooting straight up since September, recovering from the bullshit email story with her strong debate performances and Benghazi testimony. It's not the "Summer of Sanders" any more. Bernie peaked.

Wait till Bernie tells America he wants to give the middle class a tax increase. If he's lucky it won’t come up tonight.

[Attorney in Texas]

7. Do you mean in 2015 or in 2007 (when her favorable numbers were much better)?

[SunSeeker]

8. Dream on. nt

[Attorney in Texas]

12. I don't have to dream; I can vote because we have a primary process. You should give it a try.

[SunSeeker]

15. I vote every election. For the Democrat. You should give it a try. nt

[Attorney in Texas]

16. Who did you support in the primary in 2007-2008?

[SunSeeker]

17. A Democrat. nt

[Attorney in Texas]

20. So you hold it against Clinton that she campaigned for Republican extremist Barry Goldwater?

[SunSeeker]

22. Nope, don't hold what she did in high school against her. She's been a Dem her entire voting life.

Do you hold what Bernie did against him when he was younger, albeit an adult, when he wrote this unhinged piece:


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont

[AtomicKitten]

28. Not according to this person.

Hillary Clinton ("Living History," page 21):

"I was also an active Young Republican and, later, a Goldwater girl, right down to my cowgirl outfit and straw cowboy hat emblazoned with the slogan "AuH20." … I liked Senator Goldwater because he was a rugged individualist who swam against the political tide."

[PosterChild]

34. That's not unhinged .....

..... though it's certainly isn't presidential!

[JackInGreen]

25. So you're satisfied with empty labels

Ok.

[reformist2]

11. LOL!

[Vinca]

13. On this very day in 2007, Hillary was up 27 pts. over Obama in the Gallup poll.

As I recall, she didn't win the nomination.

[SunSeeker]

14. As I recall, Bernie is not Barack Obama.

And Obama ran on a platform of not increasing taxes on the middle class. Bernie just announced he wants to increase taxes on the middle class. Oh yeah, and Obama had Wall Street money that paid for GOTV and TV ads. Bernie is relying on Act Blue internet donations.

[Attorney in Texas]

18. Clinton is also not Obama. Seems like the "Vote Clinton Because She's Inevitable" is a road tested

campaign that did not serve her well.

Don't you want to give that at least a moment's thought before re-launching Coronation 2.0?

[SunSeeker]

19. The Clinton campaign platform is a lot closer to Obama's.

She's promising not to increase taxes on the middle class. Her campaign is not claiming she is "inevitable." And it is Bernie supporters that bring up the "coronation" meme, or the sexist name calling, labelling Hillary "the Queen."

[Attorney in Texas]

21. Good point. I assume you haven't devoted much time to looking at the right tract/wrong track polling

Any more strawmen you need cut down?

[SunSeeker]

23. How do tax increases for the middle class poll, counsel? nt

[Attorney in Texas]

31. That is a moronic question. Would a waiter come to your table and ask "how'd you like to pay more

for your dinner tonight?"

Of course he or she wouldn't.

Would a waiter come to your table and say "we have prix fixe menu option tonight that includes an appetizer, two entree options, a dessert, and a wine pairing -- the prix fixe option is $10 more than the entrees alone."

The difference -- obviously -- is that no one is so stupid that they need a poll to tell them how people feel about paying more without any consideration of whether they would be receiving more in exchange of the higher payment.

You are not someone who is unable to appreciate the idiocy of such a question.

Asking how people feel about higher taxes without also explaining what additional services and benefits they would receive in connection with such benefits is foolish at best and misleading in most cases.

[SunSeeker]

39. The American middle class doesn't want to pay the "prix fixe" of Bernie's utopia.

If they did, we'd have single payer in Vermont right now.

[Attorney in Texas]

40. Thank heaven the middle class has you as their spokeswoman, conscience, and decision maker!

What would they do without you picking candidates for them and informing the rest of us how they feel?

[George II]

27. Obama is an appealing person just oozing charisma. Sanders? Not so much.

[Attorney in Texas]

33. The primary voters in 2008 agreed that Obama is significantly more appealing than Clinton, but she's

likable enough.

[artislife]

24. Oh...you got the new meme.

[George II]

26. The gap is bigger now than it was in July and is widening.

[Attorney in Texas]

35. Now when you account for the fact that Establishment Clinton got most of Establishment Biden's

support when he left the race.

[George II]

37. I prefer to say that Democrat Clinton got most of Democrat Biden's support.

And why did she get that support? Because they never were going to vote for Sanders in the first place.

Besides, Biden dropped out a month ago, and the gap is still widening. Those that were undecided are now deciding to support Clinton.

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Thank you.

The rats thing was nasty

[corkhead]

9. When I see posts like the deliberately inflamitory one this one was obviously inspired by

I feel my blood pressure rise and I want to reply in such a way that would probably get me a hide. Instead, I count to ten, take a deep breath, and I put the poster on ignore so I don't have to hear from them again.

People who behave that way can kiss my hairy ass.

[pnwmom]

29. What made you decide to ape the Rethugs who refer to Democrats as Rats? n/t

[Scootaloo]

30. I think you're on the wrong thread, pnwmom. Here's someone calling democrats "rats"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251805958

[SwampG8r]

41. And a day later..... Crickets

Funny how it.got less outrageous when the table turned
Eta.... Just went to the foul thread you linked and apparently she was so outraged she couldn't respond to it at all. Or something like that.

[Thespian2]

32. Ms. Turner

appears to be a very intelligent woman...

[SoapBox]

36. K & R!

[appalachiablue]

38. K & R. Nina Turner is very bright and forthright. I enjoy seeing her in the media occasionally.

Excellent!

[RiverLover]

42. BIG R & K! /nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

43. great pic!