Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:25 PM

monmouth4 (9,052 posts)

I now understand why the DNC and DWS only wanted the few debates. Hillary is losing, big time..n/t

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I now understand why the DNC and DWS only wanted the few debates. Hillary is losing, big time..n/t (Original post)	monmouth4	Nov 2015	OP
It unfortunate you are not watching the same debate the rest of us are watching.	Sheepshank	Nov 2015	#1
Bernie has won all the debates per his supporters	dlwickham	Nov 2015	#9
I was going to wait for the on line polls...but you are right why wait?	Sheepshank	Nov 2015	#13
thank you	dlwickham	Nov 2015	#16
I'd rather wait until the pundits tell us who won.	RichVRichV	Nov 2015	#21
But those are "clicky" polls! They're not scientific! What have you got against science?	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2015	#33
Bernie supporters had better things to do on a Saturday night	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Nov 2015	#44
REC REC REC REC + + + + +,,,	edgineered	Nov 2015	#2
You have your sanders colored glasses on	Evergreen Emerald	Nov 2015	#3
It's on CBS	Dem2	Nov 2015	#4
No she's not.	madaboutharry	Nov 2015	#5
Wrong.	DURHAM D	Nov 2015	#6
"My candidate is educating. Everyone else is pandering."	RichVRichV	Nov 2015	#22
Educating us by conflating gun homicides with suicides?	JonLeibowitz	Nov 2015	#47
which channel are you on?	hill2016	Nov 2015	#7
Yes she is	MissDeeds	Nov 2015	#8
Hillary's not losing.	thebighobgoblin	Nov 2015	#10
This is the funniest post of the night!	Metric System	Nov 2015	#11
A serious question: Does anyone on DU actually make a voting decision based on a debate performance?	thebighobgoblin	Nov 2015	#12
So...	quickesst	Nov 2015	#23
Debates matter, so yes, answers are important to me.	SusanaMontana41	Nov 2015	#40
It's just a dog-and-pony show.	thebighobgoblin	Nov 2015	#45
I respectfully disagree.	SusanaMontana41	Nov 2015	#46
She started out strong, but as they discuss issues it becomes clear that she's all over the place.	reformist2	Nov 2015	#14
bernie is owning the night	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#15
Totally unhinged...and phony to the max	Hepburn	Nov 2015	#17
Hillary isn't doing very well.	earthside	Nov 2015	#18
When you have to remember your lies	Joe Turner	Nov 2015	#19
Maybe she only had one good debate in her? nt	artislife	Nov 2015	#20
Thats so funny....	Historic NY	Nov 2015	#24
Sanders reply on Paris was a disaster. I don't think he recovered from that. eom	lunamagica	Nov 2015	#25
He gave his standard stump speech on American economic woes. It's like he didn't even hear the quest	Hekate	Nov 2015	#43
The worst part is that it was his opening. a HUGE chance to make a big impression	lunamagica	Nov 2015	#50
Maybe they should just schedule one, eleven-hour debate and see how it goes. n/t	Cerridwen	Nov 2015	#26
You're dreaming. Big time.	SunSeeker	Nov 2015	#27
Time Magazine Poll	bl968	Nov 2015	#28
Another internet poll.	murielm99	Nov 2015	#38
Internet polls	bl968	Nov 2015	#42
Lemme guess	jamzrockz	Nov 2015	#49
Post removed	Post removed	Nov 2015	#29
Uh huh.	SoapBox	Nov 2015	#35
Ageism much?	ForgoTheConsequence	Nov 2015	#37
OMG. Are you actually crying AGEISM in a Presidential candidate debate?	Beausoir	Nov 2015	#39
Hillary wins because...9/11!	votesparks	Nov 2015	#30
^^^ Definitely a +1000. eom	progree	Nov 2015	#32
Exactly!	SoapBox	Nov 2015	#34
LOL!	Rosa Luxemburg	Nov 2015	#36
That captures it perfectly.	Enthusiast	Nov 2015	#41
Sorry Hill...Not-Good-Enough!	SoapBox	Nov 2015	#31
Hillary losing the debate?	jamzrockz	Nov 2015	#48
Res ipsa loquitur	DemocratSinceBirth	Nov 2015	#51

Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:26 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

1. It unfortunate you are not watching the same debate the rest of us are watching.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:30 PM

dlwickham (3,316 posts)

9. Bernie has won all the debates per his supporters

get with the program

Sheesh!

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:32 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

13. I was going to wait for the on line polls...but you are right why wait?

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:34 PM

dlwickham (3,316 posts)

16. thank you

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:46 PM

RichVRichV (885 posts)

21. I'd rather wait until the pundits tell us who won.

It's more "scientific" that way.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:08 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

33. But those are "clicky" polls! They're not scientific! What have you got against science?

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:49 AM

WhaTHellsgoingonhere (5,252 posts)

44. Bernie supporters had better things to do on a Saturday night

scheduling this on a Saturday night might be too cute by half.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:27 PM

edgineered (2,101 posts)

2. REC REC REC REC + + + + +,,,

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:27 PM

Evergreen Emerald (13,031 posts)

3. You have your sanders colored glasses on

Clouding your vision

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:28 PM

Dem2 (8,164 posts)

4. It's on CBS

Are you watching it?

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:28 PM

madaboutharry (38,735 posts)

5. No she's not.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:29 PM

DURHAM D (32,252 posts)

6. Wrong.

She is explaining policy and educating us, treating us with respect. The other two are pandering.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:51 PM

RichVRichV (885 posts)

22. "My candidate is educating. Everyone else is pandering."

I'm sorry, I had to laugh. That's the very definition of colored glasses. Regardless of which candidate you're for. I would say the same to a Bernie or O'Malley supporter for that one. lol

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:29 PM

JonLeibowitz (6,282 posts)

47. Educating us by conflating gun homicides with suicides?

Most would consider that pandering to low-information voters, since she is deliberately obscuring the facts.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:29 PM

hill2016 (1,772 posts)

7. which channel are you on?

it's here if you got lost

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:30 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

8. Yes she is

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:30 PM

thebighobgoblin (179 posts)

10. Hillary's not losing.

Fanatical Bernie voters are seeing what they want to see, but it's a dream, not reality.

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:30 PM

Metric System (6,048 posts)

11. This is the funniest post of the night!

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:31 PM

thebighobgoblin (179 posts)

12. A serious question: Does anyone on DU actually make a voting decision based on a debate performance?

Seriously? I hope not.

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Response to thebighobgoblin (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:54 PM

quickesst (6,254 posts)

23. So...

.... all the moaning, and groaning about the number of debates was for.........what exactly?

How many times have we heard that if there were more debates and people got to know Bernie, they would vote for him? What's changed?

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Response to thebighobgoblin (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:31 AM

SusanaMontana41 (3,233 posts)

40. Debates matter, so yes, answers are important to me.

But I'd rather see the candidates ask questions of each other/one another, Lincoln-Douglas style.

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Response to SusanaMontana41 (Reply #40)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:25 AM

thebighobgoblin (179 posts)

45. It's just a dog-and-pony show.

Once you know how someone votes, or will vote, that's what matters. I know how Clinton will govern. I have no idea how Sanders will govern, simply because I can't get a sense for how he'd build coalitions in congress. He will have almost ZERO support from republicans, and only a little from conservative independents. He'll fire up the progressives who will then turn on him because he won't deliver - he won't be able to. I'm sorry, but in order to govern, you have to build coalitions. Sanders is a great senator, but I can't see him being president, for all the above reasons.

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Response to thebighobgoblin (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:48 PM

SusanaMontana41 (3,233 posts)

46. I respectfully disagree.

Debates matter because they expose what's underneath, such as what the candidates are saying now vs. what they did about it when they had the chance. I can't ask those questions— all of which are fair — so others have to do it. I just want those "others" to be the other candidates.

That's why I favor a Lincoln-Douglas-style debate. Let the candidates spar with one another. No moderators.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:33 PM

reformist2 (9,841 posts)

14. She started out strong, but as they discuss issues it becomes clear that she's all over the place.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:33 PM

restorefreedom (12,655 posts)

15. bernie is owning the night

om second

hillary on total defense

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:35 PM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

17. Totally unhinged...and phony to the max

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:38 PM

earthside (6,960 posts)

18. Hillary isn't doing very well.

I was just able to tune-in in the last 20 or 30 minutes.

Sanders seems to be easily dominating -- he really does have lots of idea. Hillary just seems to be reacting to what Sanders is proposing.

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:39 PM

Joe Turner (930 posts)

19. When you have to remember your lies

it's hard to do well in a debate when questions come at you fast. Hillary's dilemma not Bernie's or O'Malley's.

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:43 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

20. Maybe she only had one good debate in her? nt

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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:59 PM

Historic NY (36,744 posts)

24. Thats so funny....

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:38 AM

lunamagica (9,967 posts)

25. Sanders reply on Paris was a disaster. I don't think he recovered from that. eom

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:41 AM

Hekate (84,038 posts)

43. He gave his standard stump speech on American economic woes. It's like he didn't even hear the quest

...the question. It looks very much like foreign policy is simply not on his radar -- but has he not turned on the tv in the past 24 hours?! This is literally the worst attack on Paris since WW II. Knowing what is going on in the world outside our shores is critical now and will be in the future.

Here's a flash: my husband likes Sanders, and he cringed at that non-answer. He said: "Sanders is a one-trick pony."

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:48 PM

lunamagica (9,967 posts)

50. The worst part is that it was his opening. a HUGE chance to make a big impression

And if -as his supporters say- people don't know him, for those people it was their first impression of him.

As much as his supporters will defend him, I doubt that many independents or undecideds came out of the debate with a good opinion on Sanders.

It was clear he is NOT ready for the job.

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:40 AM

Cerridwen (13,243 posts)

26. Maybe they should just schedule one, eleven-hour debate and see how it goes. n/t

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:53 AM

SunSeeker (49,638 posts)

27. You're dreaming. Big time.

Good grief, they asked him what crisis he survived that will help him as president. All he could come up with was having to compromise with the GOP on a veterans bill.

And on healthcare, I had no idea his idea of single payer involved giving power to the states. Holy shit. Now for sure people will not want their taxes raised 10% to pay for that.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:54 AM

bl968 (360 posts)

28. Time Magazine Poll

Yes of course you think Hillary won LOL

Lets see what the real world thinks...

The 3 Democratic presidential candidates took to the stage for a debate Saturday night. Who do you think won?

Bernie Sanders: 81 %
Hillary Clinton: 14 %
Martin O'Malley: 5 %

42,803 people participated in this poll....

time.com/4110860/democratic-debate-poll-who-won/

Not so funny now is it...

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Response to bl968 (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:23 AM

murielm99 (29,842 posts)

38. Another internet poll.

Yawn.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:40 AM

bl968 (360 posts)

42. Internet polls

So are 6 of the 9 polls on Huffpollster. All showing your choice of candidate with big leads. But I don't hear you criticizing them.

Phone based polls for the most part exclude Cellphones. Which means anyone under the age of 60 is excluded which puts them right in the range of likely Clinton voters which suits them just fine I bet.

Online polls are supposedly not accurate because people with multiple devices can vote multiple times. But as someone who has written internet polling software, someone who has control of multiple devices is in the margin of error. Even if you say 10% multiple vote that leaves more than enough for Sanders to stomp Hillary 7 time over.

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:34 PM

jamzrockz (1,333 posts)

49. Lemme guess

This was an internet poll where someone can vote multiple times right?

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:11 AM

SoapBox (18,791 posts)

35. Uh huh.

Whatever you say!

Now...anything concrete about your candidate?

Let me start it with...Not good enough!

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:20 AM

ForgoTheConsequence (4,765 posts)

37. Ageism much?

What a shitty comment.

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:23 AM

Beausoir (7,540 posts)

39. OMG. Are you actually crying AGEISM in a Presidential candidate debate?

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:56 AM

votesparks (1,288 posts)

30. Hillary wins because...9/11!

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:07 AM

progree (10,355 posts)

32. ^^^ Definitely a +1000. eom

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:09 AM

SoapBox (18,791 posts)

34. Exactly!

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:13 AM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

36. LOL!

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:38 AM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

41. That captures it perfectly.

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:07 AM

SoapBox (18,791 posts)

31. Sorry Hill...Not-Good-Enough!

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:32 PM

jamzrockz (1,333 posts)

48. Hillary losing the debate?

I watched the last debate from beginning to end and even though Hillary should be losing on issues, she came out looking like the better candidate. My friends who are neutral on the candidates also think she won, forget what you hear on DU, she is winning big time.

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:52 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)

51. Res ipsa loquitur

Bernie Sanders had the weakest night of the three Democrats onstage at Saturday night’s debate.
That’s according to a survey of the POLITICO Caucus, a bipartisan group of influential strategists, operatives and activists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, who weighed in immediately following the second Democratic primary debate.

Nearly half of Democrats surveyed said the Vermont senator lost the debate, and only 10 percent of Democrats said he won. Those insiders who said Sanders had the worst night argued that he appeared out of his depth on foreign policy a day after terrorist attacks rocked France. He spent just a few seconds addressing the matter in his opening statement before pivoting to his familiar pitch about the economy, in stark contrast to rival Hillary Clinton, a former secretary of state who devoted her entire statement to the Paris attacks.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/insiders-bad-night-for-bernie-215901#ixzz3rZMzdqHD

Democratic Voters Overwhelmingly Think Clinton Won Debate; Particularly Strong on National Security Issues

A Public Policy Polling survey of Democratic primary voters nationally who watched tonight’s debate finds that it reinforced Hillary Clinton’s front runner status. Viewers overwhelmingly think she won the debate, and particularly trust her over the rest of the Democratic field when it comes to issues of national security.

Key findings from the survey include:

-67% of voters think Clinton won the debate, to 20% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O’Malley. On a related note 63% of viewers said the debate gave them a more positive opinion of Clinton, compared to 41% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of Sanders, and 37% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of O’Malley.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/

Iowa Focus Group: Among 33 undecided Iowans, HRC clearly wins debate by 23 to 10, and moves 11 undecided to her camp versus 3 for Sanders.

https://twitter.com/ChrisKofinis/status/665752437391659014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

After Strong Iowa Debate GOP Pollster Warns That Hillary Clinton Will Not Be Easy to Beat

Frank Luntz, the guy who crafts talking points for Republicans and does polls, has a warning for Republican candidates after Saturday night’s Democratic debate: Hillary Clinton will not be easy to beat.

Luntz warned, “If GOP thinks Hillary is easily beatable, they’re wrong It’s not just words, but her tone & style are the best I’ve seen so far.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/15/republican-pollster-warn-gop-hillary-clinton-easy-beat.html

Immediately after Saturday night's Democratic debate, CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of debate watchers assembled by GfK's Knowledge Panel who identified themselves as Democrats or independents. By a 23 point margin, these debate watchers say Hillary Clinton won the debate. Fifty-one percent say Clinton won, compared to 28 percent who favor Bernie Sanders. Just 7 percent pick Martin O'Malley as the winner. Fourteen percent called it a tie.

Among Democrats, Clinton is seen as winning by more than two to one, while independents are split between Clinton and Sanders.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-who-won-the-second-democratic-debate-november-2015-cbs-news/

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