2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum4 Years Ago, Sarah Palin's Convention Speech Won Over the Media
and it gave the McCain campaign a big boost. We all know what happened afterwards.
Stop going nuts over one speech.
BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)And easily debunked at that.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Calm down people, we have a long way to go.
Cha
(298,014 posts)part about "WAHHAHAWAHWAH Community Organizer!"
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Boring speech. Filled with lies. Easily dissected.
By tomorrow, the story will be the lies and nothing else.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Palin briefly knocked the race off its axis in2008. This speech not so much.
PlanetBev
(4,104 posts)I was about to post the same thing. After I saw Palin's speech at the convention, I freaked out and rolled up like a pill bug for days. It didn't help that the media turned into a circle jerk.
Come Monday, The United States of Amnesia will set in.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...Palin boosted McCain to a narrow lead, until the September crash put Obama on top for good. Who's to say what might have happened had the economy stayed afloat through November? And we certainly aren't going to get a major event in September that will overturn the entire campaign this time around.
What is most disquieting to me, over the past couple of weeks since Ryan was chosen, is that it seems like the public is lapping up every shameless Republican lie as if it was Gospel truth. Forget the possibility of a convention "bounce" -- with what has happened over the past two weeks (Romney picking an extremist known for trying to eliminate Medicare, the Akin controversy, Romney going birther), the GOP ticket should be UNDERWATER by now. Instead, they not only are hanging close, but they've somehow managed to convince a plurality of the public that they can be trusted more on the economy and, yes, even Medicare! It's utterly astounding to me why they aren't trailing by double digits by now, and, instead, they'll probably have the lead by Friday. I just don't know how we can counter a campaign seemingly based on Joe Isuzu, and a public seemingly determined to lap it up.
BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)liberallibral
(272 posts)And I was very surprised that Lawrence O'Donnell seemed blown away by the speech, despite the blatant lies...
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)I may have been sleeping liatening to him and you may be right, though
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)DU has a plethora of threads citing sources in which Ryan is called to task in the MSM -- in fact, even on Fox News.
Why the difference from the treatment of Palin? Well, one factor is that Ryan's speech was easier to criticize. The MSM do better at countering lies than at pointing out stupidity.
Another factor may be Romney's incredible record of mendacity over the course of the campaign until now. McCain, for all his faults, was comparatively honest. I suspect that Romney's blatant willingness to lie, over and over again, has sensitized the media to the issue, so that his running mate is coming in for more scrutiny than would otherwise be the case.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Ryan just is not as charismatic, as much as it pains me to admit that Palin had some kind of charisma. And Romney has contributed nothing to this country. McCain was at least respected for serving in Vietnam. I don't think much of the MSM even really likes Romney. He won't answer many of their questions after all.