Not Bush, not Obama, not HRC - Bernie reveals the root cause of the rise of ISIS....

[PosterChild]

In fact, climate change is directly related to the rise of global terrorism," he said. "This is what the CIA says," he went on to say, noting a struggle for limited resources like water and land.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/live-from-des-moines/2015/11/bernie-sanders-climate-change-terrorism-215874#ixzz3rWrtm55f

Climate change ? ISIS is attacking Paris in order to secure a water supply?

This doesn't seem to make much sense. Except as a lame attempt to link a problem that he is weak on to a solution he is strong on - even if it's a non sequitur.

[MohRokTah]

1. I know!

[earthside]

2. Thank you for the Tea Party defense.

I hear that mockingly on talk radio that I listen to sometimes:

"Pres. Obama thinks that weather is the most important foreign policy issue of our time! (snort; snort). He even thinks one of the reasons for terrorism is weather!" (chortle; chortle)

Sen. Sanders, Pres. Obama, and Sec. Kerry are right about global warming and its current impacts on politics and radicalism in the Middle East.

But ridicule from the Hillaryites is the usual order of the day ... even when it puts them on the same side as Trump and Cruz and Carson.

[PowerToThePeople]

4. I could comment

But I think all the left leaning DUers already understand why certain people post how they do.

I agree with the global warming root cause.

[PosterChild]

9. I would appreciate it if you would give a short explination or...

.... some links. I recognize global warming as a long range problem , and certainly it has long term geopolitical significance. But I can't see any short term cause and effect relationship to the current situation or over the last decades .

Some explination would be appreciated .

[earthside]

21. There is a lot on this.

The Link Between Climate Change And ISIS Is Real
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/23/3683536/omalley-climate-change-isis/

Researchers Link Syrian Conflict to a Drought Made Worse by Climate Change
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/science/earth/study-links-syria-conflict-to-drought-caused-by-climate-change.html

Hot Zone
Is climate change destabilizing Iraq?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/isis_water_scarcity_is_climate_change_destabilizing_iraq.html

Global warming could increase terrorism, official says
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/25/climate.change.security/index.html?eref=rss_tech

Global Warming Report Says Climate Change Could Fuel Terrorism And Migration
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/68632/20150714/global-warming-report-says-climate-change-could-fuel-terrorism-and-migration.htm

Terror Rising from the Desert
We ignore climate change's effect on the Sahara at our peril.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/02/20/global-warming-could-cause-more-islamic-terrorism-in-africa

Pentagon Signals Security Risks of Climate Change
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html?_r=0

[PosterChild]

30. Thanks....

..... I read through the think progress round up and I'll look through some of the others.

From what I've read so far it certainly seems reasonable that drought conditions in Syria might have contributed, in some small way, to the unrest leading to the civil war. And it seems reasonable that climate change may have contributed, in some small way, to the drought. But droughts happen all of the time and have happened throughout human history and will allways be a factor regardless of whether we control climate change or not.

I think that the more significant and salient cause of the Syrian situation is the fact that the Assad regime adheres to the Alawite faith while the general population is Sunni. This situation was deliberately set up by the westren European powers as a way of keeping control over the country . The minority faith regime requires outside allies to keep control over the majority population. The opposite situation existed in Iraq, where the majority is Shei and the controling minority was Sunni.

This whole system of colonial gerimandering is fissureing, fusioning and falling apart. Global climate change, and even the occasional drought, don't seem to be of great overall significance. Positing a strong cause and effect relatioshp between the doesn't two still does not make sense to me. I don't think a war on carbon is going to be much help in the war on terror.

[PosterChild]

17. I've never heard . ..

Obama or Kerry attribute the current rise of global terrorism to climate change in the way that Bernie does in this quote.

It is true that, long term, global climate change has geopolitical implications for world peace and stability. Maybe that is what Obama and Kerry have been referring to. It's a legitimate long-term concern .

However, bernie's quote is short term and present tense. It doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps you could explain .

[AgingAmerican]

3. Isis formed to fill a power vacuum

The power vacuum existed because of Iraq's weak central government. The population was radicalized by Bushes Mideast policies. It was the perfect storm.

[PosterChild]

6. I like that !! nt

[beam me up scottie]

5. You sound just like Fox News, they sneered at O'Malley when he said the same thing.

Fact-checking the link between climate change and ISIS

"Absurd," "embarrassing," and "brazenly silly" were some of the insults hurled at Democratic presidential candidate Martin O’Malley when he suggested in July that climate change contributed to the rise of ISIS. Despite the derision, the former governor of Maryland continues to stand by his talking point.

...

Our ruling

O’Malley argued that "the cascading effects" of climate change contributed to the rise of ISIS

The O’Malley campaign referred us to a credible March 2015 study that supports his point. According to the study, a drought in Syria in the 2000s displaced millions of refugees and added to discontent that eventually erupted into war. While the study does not mention ISIS by name, the authors say O’Malley is simply taking their argument one step further.

Experts agreed that the drought, spurred by climate change, was one of many factors that led to the Syrian conflict. O’Malley’s phrasing suggests he understands this and is careful not overstate it.

We rate his claim Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/martin-omalley/fact-checking-link-between-climate-change-and-isis/

Laughing at liberal statements of fact because you don't understand complex reasoning and research behind them, just like the right wing.

Congratulations!

[MrMickeysMom]

7. It's official, beam...

You can't tell the difference in these people here from the ones on the other side who's complex reasoning JUST.DOES.NOT.KICK.IN...

[beam me up scottie]

8. I thought I was on the wrong website at first.

You just know that's what freerepublic is going to be saying.

Damn libruls, always using science and stuff!

All I wanna hear about is how we're gonna kill us some terrists!

[MrMickeysMom]

11. Not only that... they cannot or will not use history to connect the dots...

I believe it's not in the rule book of fight club.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Well as long as they can use right wing talling points to bash Bernie.

That's all that really matters.

[jfern]

13. I think Bernie haters will deny climate change just to bash him

[beam me up scottie]

15. That's kind of what they're doing.

Denying science because they can't find anything else to use against Bernie.

[PosterChild]

20. I. Am. Not. A. Fucking. Idiot..?

..... though I play one on DU.

Of course climate change is a long term geo-political issue. It will certainly be a destabilizing force in the future.

Thst, however, does not seem to be what bernie is saying in the quote. He seems to be saying that climate change is what is responsible for the current situation. That seems to be an untenable , unwarranted exaggeration.

[MrMickeysMom]

22. No, PC... you are NOT one of them...

And cooler heads always prevail around here.

[jwirr]

29. Think. A long term geo-political issue. The ME is already

one of the hot spots. Climate change is happening right now and its most serious effects are in the warmer climates of the world. When you add the mess we have made of that area of the world to even some of the most minor effects that can push people to desperation.

IMO the effects that one sees in the rising water in a state like Florida is mild compared to what the effects would be in a semi desert area where it gets harder to grow food and the support a large population. I haven't read what the CIA is saying about this but that is what my guess would be.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. Did Bernie try to imply that ISIS exists because of global warming?

I missed that part.

If he said that, he's gonna be mocked relentlessly.

ISIS exists because of the Iraq War.

[PosterChild]

26. Here is the link...

... to the quote, sourced to the Democratic debate. I didn't listen to the debate so i can't comment on the context . They also include a related quote from the previous debate, and that one makes more sense.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/live-from-des-moines/2015/11/bernie-sanders-climate-change-terrorism-215874#ixzz3rWrtm55f

[jfern]

16. Actually he pointed out that ISIS wouldn't exist without the Iraq war

which Hillary voted for

[AZ Progressive]

18. Sanders was talking about global terrorism, and it's true.

Compare the words of Admiral Titley — former Deputy Assistant Chief of Naval Operations for Information Dominance (!) and currently Director of Penn State’s Center for Solutions to Weather and Climate Risks. — with O’Malley’s (video here):

“One of the things that preceded the failure of the nation-state of Syria and the rise of ISIS was the effect of climate change and the mega-drought that affected that region, wiped out farmers, drove people to cities, created a humanitarian crisis that created the symptoms — or rather, the conditions — of extreme poverty that has led now to the rise of ISIL and this extreme violence.”

- http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/23/3683536/omalley-climate-change-isis/

[beam me up scottie]

19. The op keeps ignoring the facts posted in their thread.

I guess that's preferable to admitting they just carried the torch for Fox news on DU.

[PosterChild]

23. Nope, just catching up. I always read the posts that....

..... call me A. Fucking. Idiot. first. Then I prioritize the ones that accuse me of spreading fox news talking points. I'll get around to the more reasonable responses eventually , but given the volume of the higher priority posts it will take a while.

[beam me up scottie]

24. When you use right wing talking points don't be surprised when you're called out for it.

Climate change ? ISIS is attacking Paris in order to secure a water supply?

Once you finish doing your research you'll realize who says things like that.

Hint: it's not the informed left

[PosterChild]

27. As a card carrying . ..

.... certified Fucking. Idiot. Im never suprised by what I might be called on DU.

[beam me up scottie]

28. I didn't call you a fucking idiot.

It's against the tos to post things like that.

Perhaps you should spend more time reading the research you asked for instead of dwelling on what someone called you.

When you understand what Bernie was talking about you can post again and prove them wrong.

[PosterChild]

32. You are right, you did not...

.... just wanted to make you aware of my priorities since you were concerned i hadn't responded to the links provided.

[herding cats]

25. Exactly.

When we talk about this it's beyond what most people think of in the scope of the problem, but it is a part of the reality that the people in power (excluding modern Republicans) are discussing on a regular basis.

It's influencing actions across the globe, even if it's not something we want to bring into polite discussion here in the US thanks to the deniers. It's a thing, and it's real.

In all honesty, I'm sure all of our candidates know about the consequences of climate change in the region. Even if the degrees of their knowledge may vary a bit, there's no way they can't know about what's been taking place if they've made it this far into the process.

[PosterChild]

31. Thanks for the link.,,

..... I read through the think progress round up and I'll look through some of the sources it provides. I now understand the context if the answer much better.

From what I've read so far it certainly seems reasonable that drought conditions in Syria might have contributed, in some small way, to the unrest leading to the civil war. And it seems reasonable that climate change may have contributed, in some small way, to the drought. But droughts happen all of the time and have happened throughout human history and will allways be a factor regardless of whether we control climate change or not.

I think that the more significant and salient cause of the Syrian situation is the fact that the Assad regime adheres to the Alawite faith while the general population is Sunni. This situation was deliberately set up by the westren European powers as a way of keeping control over the country . The minority faith regime requires outside allies to keep control over the majority population. The opposite situation existed in Iraq, where the majority is Shei and the controling minority was Sunni.

This whole system of colonial gerimandering is fissureing, fusioning and falling apart. Global climate change, and even the occasional drought, don't seem to be of great overall significance. Positing a strong cause and effect relatioshp between the two still does not make sense to me. I don't think a war on carbon is going to be much help in the war on terror.