2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumReally impressed with the SEIU not jumping the gun and.....
Making a serious effort to honor the wishes of their membership. It's the way it should be done.
"Union officials said the polls so far show Clinton with the highest level of support from members, with 75 percent of members feeling favorable toward her."
"AFSCME, which represents 1.3 million healthcare workers, correction officers, sanitation workers and other public sector employees, has been conducting polling since spring, and livestreamed its town halls with candidates in Iowa. "We have created unprecedented opportunities for every member around the country to play an active part in this important decision and there is no predetermined timeline for a decision," the AFSCME official said."
"In addition to the AFT, Clintons campaign has scored the backing of some smaller AFL-CIO affiliates, such as the Machinists Union, the Roofers and Waterproofers Union, the Bricklayers Union, and the Plumbers and Pipefitters Union. On Tuesday, the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America announced their endorsement of Clinton."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton02016-unions-delay-endorsements-213922#ixzz3rm4UwqBi
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I hadn't seen it. Beautiful.
oasis
(53,984 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Make a list and make it make sense.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)However, I asked a reasonable question. Tell this voter with one foot out the door or just keep the door I'm leaving out of open.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That is how you ask a reasonable question? lol. Today keeps getting better.
"Make a list and make it make sense."
Did you really type that with a straight face and then follow it up with this?
"Tell this voter with one foot out the door or just keep the door I'm leaving out of open."
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Also, my kids. Also, the incredible losses I suffered at the hands of Wall Street dishonesty. We're all a joke. It's all a joke. It's such a joke, the anti-depressants I'm now on are all laughing hysterically. I'm such a joke for my concern.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But they shouldn't lead to a strawman as is being done in your reply here.
"Make a list and make it make sense."
Before making an offensive demand right out of the box, that is directed at someone who agrees with you on ninety percent of issues, you might want to reflect on what you are know promoting as reasons for something.
Best wishes.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I've seen it for the last few days. If you really want to know there are plenty of places on line to search.
Using it in an antagonistic way doesn't deserve a reply.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Kinda makes it hard to take your complaints about tone very seriously
Romulox
(25,960 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Its always about being against something. Clinton will fight for a national increase in the minimum wage. Sander will have every opportunity in the senate to bring up legislation for $15. President Clinton will support the wage increase. I know it doesn't go with the "I have to be against everything" mantra.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Hillary supports an increase in the minimum wage at the national level. With Sanders using his great leadership in the senate, and Clinton leading at the executive level, it could truly become reality. This would be the perfect place after the election for Sanders to show his economic leadership. I'm really excited.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You continue to frame everything as negatively as possible and in terms of opposition. They are on the same team and you don't even see it.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And the need to simply oppose everything. The fight for fifteen is alive and well no matter how hard you try to fight against it. We must increase the national minimum wage. I get that you are dejected, this is an enormous endorsement, but you will wipe it off and get back in the game to fight for an increase. The team just got stronger.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Response to MaggieD (Reply #24)
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)TIA. I would love to see it.
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Goddess bless them, but that ain't gonna fly in those states. They need a liberal city council and the first thing is they have to elect liberals. That's how it worked in Seattle.
If they are willing to do work then they will prevail, but not at $15 in those low cost of living states (the three states I named are the lowest COL states in the nation).
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)help workers stuck below $10/hour.
That's why the SEIU is supporting her.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)A few years years ago I could buy a small carton of milk for $1.50. Today that same carton costs $2.60. And what will it be in three or four years.
If we're serious about restoring the financial security of the middle and working class we have to get serious about it -- not just tread water or allow it to continue to slip farther backwards.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)we'll be lucky to get $10.
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Armstead
(47,803 posts)Life would be a lot more pleasant if we could just kick back and be against the GOP.
Problem is we have to darting our eyes in both directions when Democratic leaders do things like push for "free trade": and the outsourcing of the American jobs and industries, deregulation of the financial sector, abetting the monopolization of the economy, scuttling public social health insurance, etc.
Or fail to support an actual graduated raise in the minimum that will do more than keep it at its present shitty level when compared to the continuing rises in the COL.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Not preferring it and fighting against it are not synonymous.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)It's not like she would veto $15 if the congress passed it, but there is not a chance in hell that will happen. $12 is defensible, and a very good argument can be made for it since it is $8K above the federal poverty level for a family of two.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)prevent min.wage workers from making a living wage ($12.00 is not a living wage)
prevent single payer healthcare (profit over people)
continue prohibition of marijuana (very progressive)
keep college out of the reach of the working poor (elitist)
refuse to reinstate Glass-Steagall
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ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)This was well done
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)
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