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Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:13 AM

Bernie's all or nothing uncompromising ideology is why he can't increase his base thus he can't be

the nominee.

Free college or nothing
$15 per hour hour or nothing
Break up the big banks or nothing
Glass Seagall or nothing
Increased taxes or nothing
economic justice or nothing

The Democratic party encompasses a broader range of opinions.



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Reply Bernie's all or nothing uncompromising ideology is why he can't increase his base thus he can't be (Original post)
upaloopa Nov 2015 OP
whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #1
yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #33
Scuba Nov 2015 #2
Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #8
Scuba Nov 2015 #10
Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #11
Cha Nov 2015 #14
Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #18
NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #30
Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #3
think Nov 2015 #4
KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #16
Jim Lane Nov 2015 #21
William769 Nov 2015 #5
pinebox Nov 2015 #6
redstateblues Nov 2015 #31
NurseJackie Nov 2015 #7
Kentonio Nov 2015 #9
NurseJackie Nov 2015 #12
Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #24
Sheepshank Nov 2015 #13
Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #20
Cha Nov 2015 #15
dmosh42 Nov 2015 #17
bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #19
restorefreedom Nov 2015 #22
Doctor_J Nov 2015 #23
TSIAS Nov 2015 #25
AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #26
AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #27
MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #28
lob1 Nov 2015 #29
DJ13 Nov 2015 #32

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:16 AM

1. I know, dude needs to pander, flip-flop, and triangulate more

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:43 AM

33. PACS have changed to the positive.

 

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:19 AM

2. Right. Much better to start negotiations by conceding everything! You know, like Obama.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:35 AM

8. You make the OP's point....Obama has a 90% approval rating among liberal dems.

 

Those people obviously don't think he conceded everything and support his governing style.

I suppose you're part of the 10% of liberal dems that don't approve, but you've made the OP's point. It's why Bernie is down 30 points in a field of only 3 candidates.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:36 AM

10. So the question is: Are there enough low information voters for Hillary to win the GE?

 

Seems unlikely.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:38 AM

11. You're saying 90% of liberal dems are low information voters? nt

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:46 AM

14. they always have some lame excuse why the real world isn't like their world on DU.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:57 AM

18. not sure but most probably are. that's just an american thing... most people watch football not cspa

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:54 AM

30. Like the BS supporters here ...

... who were complaining that last Saturday's debate was interfering with their football game-watching schedule?

I didn't see any HRC supporters whinging about having to choose between the debate and "the game".

Just sayin' is all.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:20 AM

3. False.

Bernie Sanders voted for Obamacare though he believes in single-payer.

He voted for Dodd-Frank though he'd rather restore Glass-Steagall.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:25 AM

4. Great points

 

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:50 AM

16. Boom! Buh-bye OP-loopa - nt

 

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:14 PM

21. Thanks! I was going to post about Obamacare but I'd forgotten Dodd-Frank.

 

His record makes clear that he believes in starting negotiations from a strong position. Obama tried the tack of starting at a point much closer to the other side's position. The result was that the Republicans gratefully accepted his unforced concessions and then, nevertheless, provided him with no votes (Obamacare) or almost no votes (stimulus).

From what Obama's said and done lately, my guess is that, if he had 2009 and 2010 to do over, he'd be more like Bernie. My further guess is that, although Obama's actual accomplishments have done immense good, he would have done even more good if he'd been more demanding from the start.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:26 AM

5. Kick & highly recommended!

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:30 AM

6. Ummm he is however

 

And he reaches deeper than Hillary does.
One thing you're not realizing is that Bernie started out at 2%. Two percent! Look where he is now. The largest voting block among Dems is millennial voters to 18 year olds and they are NOT for Hillary.

Tell us, why would you want a candidate who triangulates and thinks she's going to be able to get anything done when the RW hates her so much to wrap her up in a giant Benghazi trial? Mark my words, if Hillary is the nominee, we're losing the election. She'll make the GOP base show up in record numbers. Bookmark what I've said. Do it!

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Response to pinebox (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:02 AM

31. the prospect of a Socialist in the White House

would drive even more to the polls

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:31 AM

7. Interesting. That helps to explain the bernie-or-bust idealogy frequently seen here.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:35 AM

9. I love when people post 'Interesting' in response to ops like this.

 

What you actually mean is 'Hmm, yes you have posted an unsupported piece of personal opinion that happens to agree with my own unsupported personal opinion'.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:43 AM

12. Ha!! :-D Good one!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:19 AM

24. +1

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:46 AM

13. It's always been clear to me that Bernie is the One and only President for a very narrow base

 

He simply does not come across as a President who could represent ALL of the people.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:13 PM

20. Bernie Sanders won't represent billionaires

...but they'll have plenty of representation in Congress, and so it will work out.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:47 AM

15. Very boring.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:54 AM

17. Bernie is running against a celebrity image, and we know Americans asskiss celebrities!

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:59 AM

19. I'll just leave this here.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:17 PM

22. since compromise is almost always necessary,

imo better to start high so there is room to adjust if necessary. if you toss out the wish list before even trying for any of it, the gop walks away with their bag of goodies and we are left with crumbs.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:51 PM

23. And Clinton's constant lying, pandering, and flip flopping is why no one trusts her

 

So?

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:39 AM

25. Clinton's ideology is much more flexible

Sometimes she's a moderate, other times she's an unabashed progressive.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:41 AM

26. What planet did you wake up on?

 

You haven't been doing this political thing long, have you?

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:43 AM

27. You simply added "or nothing" to a bunch of his policy proposals

 

Did it take you all day to think that one up? Hope your brain isn't sore.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:44 AM

28. Wouldn't it just feel better

 

If you made a little effort to be accurate?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251827862#post3

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:52 AM

29. I've never heard Bernie say "or nothing".

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