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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:43 PM Nov 2015

Hillary Clinton Strikes Hawkish Tone Outlining ISIS Plans


In a closely watched speech at the Council on Foreign Relations, the Democratic frontrunner called for sending more U.S. special forces to Syria, imposing a no-fly zone in northern Syria and possibly arming Sunnis and Kurds in Iraq.
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Clinton’s vote in favor of the Iraq War divided her and Obama in the 2008 election and was a decisive reason she lost the nomination. She has said repeatedly the vote was a mistake, but her reputation as being more aggressive on foreign policy issues than the president has not changed. In her time as Secretary of State, she called for more action to arm moderate Syrian rebels, and was a voice for more intervention in Libya.

Their differences may be amplified by their current positions too. Nearing the end of his second term and facing no more elections, Obama has grown increasingly impatient with the political side of his job, while Clinton is already looking ahead to a general election where she expects to square off against a Republican candidate who will use similarly tough rhetoric on foreign policy.

During a Q&A in Turkey Monday, Obama said he wasn’t going to take action against ISIS simply because it would “make America look tough, or make me look tough,” and compared critics to people who “want to pop off” on the issue.

By contrast, Clinton struck a more assertive tone in her speech.
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http://time.com/4120896/hillary-clinton-paris-attacks-isis-speech/
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Hillary Clinton Strikes Hawkish Tone Outlining ISIS Plans (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP
i just saw o'malley on rachael's show. the more DesertFlower Nov 2015 #1
I can totally see Bernie meeting with foreign leaders hootinholler Nov 2015 #5
So ... The way to deal with murdering bastards is with flowers and kisses? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #2
No but there are significant differences between the candidates on this issue. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #4
K&R pinebox Nov 2015 #3

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
1. i just saw o'malley on rachael's show. the more
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:51 PM
Nov 2015

i see him the more i like him and think he's qualified to be president. i love bernie but can't see him meeting with foreign leaders.

hillary's hawkishness is scaring me.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
5. I can totally see Bernie meeting with foreign leaders
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:35 AM
Nov 2015

His approach is to identify where there is little hope for agreement, set that aside and focus on common ground.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
2. So ... The way to deal with murdering bastards is with flowers and kisses?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:28 PM
Nov 2015

I think hawkishness is in order here. Sanders sure as hell is not backing away from using military force against the jack wagons.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
4. No but there are significant differences between the candidates on this issue.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:35 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary is not backing away from her calls for regime change in Syria, even though that has been a major obstacle to stability and security. She also is going against the President when she calls for a no-fly zone and she knows the Russians are flying there already.

She also blamed President Obama's supposed "failure" (her words) for the rise of ISIS, and she didn't back away from that today

"‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle"

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton drew a foreign policy line between herself and President Obama in an interview this week, saying the President should have assisted Syrian rebels early in the bloody three-year conflict there, and issuing a dig at his Administration’s minimalist doctrine.

The Obama Administration’s wariness about assisting rebels out of fear that aid would fall into the hands of extremists was misguided and ineffectual, Clinton said in an interview with the Atlantic, and allowed for the rise of Islamic extremists who are now threatening to take over wide swaths of Iraq.

“The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad — there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle — the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” Clinton said.

Clinton also criticized Obama’s foreign policy mantra on careful American foreign involvement, using a less foul-mouthed version of a doctrinal phrase that began emerging from the White House earlier this year. “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle,” Clinton said.

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http://time.com/3097964/hillary-clinton-syria-isis-the-atlantic/
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