If you removed the people voting for Hillary just because she's female

[2pooped2pop]

I wonder what her numbers would look like? I don't really like one issue voters and kind of put people who plan to vote for Hillary just because she is a woman into that category. I would not include informed people who like her for other reasons in that group. I wish there was a way to see how many of her supporters would be voting for her for that one reason. Has anyone seen any kind of break down on that? It would be like me voting just for Bernie because he's old and I'm old, I guess.

[passiveporcupine]

1. Oh Jeeze Louise

[msongs]

2. if you removed the people voting for bernie because he is a man, not the woman....

[2pooped2pop]

3. Many Bernie supportes started out as Elizabeth Warren supporters

so I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Many of us would like a woman to be president too. We just want one who will do good for the people, rather than the corporations. Someone like, oh I don't know....Elizabeth Warren maybe? Too bad she wasn't ready to run.

But I still would not have voted for her BECAUSE she was a woman, but because I believe she would do good for the people and the country.

Now, I believe republicans would vote for any man over any woman. But we are not republicans. Perhaps you got confused?

But if we could see how many were voting for Bernie because he is a man and Hillary because she is a woman, I would like to see those results.

[rjsquirrel]

11. Yes conveniently

just not the only woman who has ever been anywhere close to actually winning.

I love Bernie. It's his supporters who cost him broader support. Irony supreme.

[72DejaVu]

13. I live in Maine

In recent years a large number of Democrats wanted a woman governor, just not Libby Mitchell.

They wanted a Democratic woman senator, just not Cynthia Dill or Shenna Bellows.

They wanted a woman for congress in CD2, just not Emily Cain...

A pattern emerges....

[Trajan]

54. Hmm .. I don't see that

Please explain what behavior that is and how it is affecting the electorate ...

[2pooped2pop]

62. If people are voting for other candidates because of other supporters

pissing them off....well I don't even believe that. That's a reason?

[Fearless]

100. Just making things up. Please stop smearing Democrats.

[sibelian]

24. Not sure that's comparable.

Many people ARE coming out and saying it's her gender that motivates them, not sure there are so many saying Bernie's bro-ness is a factor. I could be wrong, of course.

[moobu2]

4. Republicans used to say that about Obama, remember?

That his supporters were voting for him because he was black. It's a smear on the supporter.

[2pooped2pop]

6. if an American voter is voting because of race or sexual orientation

perhaps a smear is appropriate.

[moobu2]

7. Who said anyone was?

[2pooped2pop]

8. right. absolutely no one

[Hekate]

74. You said it in your OP. Not even a little funny. But hey, wimminz don't have a sense of humor.

[stevenleser]

112. Yep, and like Republicans complaining about why AA's dont support Thomas or Carson.

Women aren't supporting Clinton because she is a woman. Hillary's supporters weren't out there supporting Phyllis Shlafly or Sarah Palin.

They support Hillary because she shares their values AND she is a woman.

And many non-women who are into diversity and understand the value of diversity are also excited that Hillary shares their values AND she is a woman.

[Aerows]

5. If you removed the people voting

because they are halfway sentient and capable of voting... oh wait.

[rjsquirrel]

10. Lol exactly

Just because ....


We haven't had a woman in charge in 230 years.

Bernie Ssnderz, just another old white guy. He's not zither savior some seem to need to believe in.


And he cannot possibly win the general.

[peacebird]

27. Hillary cannot won in the general. R's will be motivated to vote anybody but Clinton.

Progressives and the wave of young voters Bernie is turning out are not going to be enthusiastic. "We came, we saw, he died" will not win in the general election. People simply do not trust her. The ads will write themselves "video clip of hillary talking about dodging sniper fire/video clip of hillary being greeted by child bearing flowers- voice over -Hillary lies"
Video clip of Hillary laughing as she says "we came, we saw, he died", voice over about gravitas and good judgement needed by CIC....

[Sheepshank]

45. no more motivated than R's coming out en masse to save the USA from Socialism. n't

[rjsquirrel]

9. "Just because?"

What misogynist claptrap.

Bernie fans on DU have made me like Clinton.I actually planned to vote for Bernie in theNY primary. But I can't stand his supporters here.

Are they so screechinhly desperate now that it's obvious Clinton will win that they need to be as sexist as an average republican?

Do much for Bernie's positive campaign. His most ardent supporters turn out to be nasty ideologues.

I hope he is ashamed of them.

I'm a 53 year old white guy to the left of Karl Marx on most issues.

I also have a daughter. I won't associate with misogynists. Sorry Bernie, your supporters appear to be sexist pigs..

[2pooped2pop]

31. really?

U were going to vote for Bernie but u can't stand his supporters so u r voting Hillary? That's even worse than voting because of gender.

[2pooped2pop]

63. yeah

really you are not voting for the candidates supporters.

[Maedhros]

82. I'm laughing at your pretense...

...and putting you on ignore, because you are being disingenuous.

/bye.

[stevenleser]

121. Many of us have told Bernie fans that they are his worst enemy but they go on doing the things

that completely turn people off and think they are helping their candidate.

[riversedge]

12. You assume they are a one issue voter.

[NCTraveler]

14. Yeah, never been an old white male at the helm.

One of the funniest comparisons I have seen here. How about this, wouldn't it be nice to know how many people are voting for Sanders because he is not a woman. I would think that would be more relevant considering society today. But no, it's the damn women. How offensive.

[2pooped2pop]

65. Hey, I'd like to know that too. n/t

[Nonhlanhla]

15. Well, since we can't have Sarah Palin...

...we'd have to settle for Hillary Clinton.



After all, women are interchangeable. One is as good as another. Nothing to do with Hillary's personal accomplishments. JUST because she's a woman.

So far I have not had a horse in this race, but posts like this might just push me into Hillary's camp. JUST BECAUSE she is a WOMAN.

[2pooped2pop]

34. then I feel sorry for you

If u vote because of gender or because of supporters.
Hillary plays the gender card over and over. Seems some just lap it up.

[Nonhlanhla]

39. Thank you for your condescension.

This kind of stuff from the Bernie camp just drives more people towards Hillary. I myself have not yet committed to a particular candidate. I like both Bernie and Hillary, for vastly different reasons. My state's primary is late, so I don't see the need to make myself deaf to arguments for either by choosing a side so early. But I must say, this kind of condescension from some Bernie supporters is not sitting well with me, and is starting to incline me towards Hillary.

[leftofcool]

16. No wonder many bernie supporters are beginning to flock to HRC

[2pooped2pop]

70. No ACTUAL Bernie supporter would EVER flock to Clinton

Flocking you say? There is too much of a difference. Maybe someone who was uninformed of the candidates past and sitting on the fence would go ahead and choose Hillary, but no one who is on team Bernie would do so. Hell some can't even bring themselves to vote for Hillary if she wins, so I doubt they would be flocking.

[stevenleser]

113. Several on DU have already done so. And also because of insensitivity on diversity issues

There is a pattern here. Women support Hillary by huge numbers. African Americans support Hillary by huge numbers, Latinos support Hillary by huge numbers. I'll bet the same goes for Asian Americans too.

Something about Sanders and his supporters screams out that they are not interested in really listening to minorities and other discriminated against groups about their issues.

[okasha]

120. Normal people

see the differences between the candidates as a matter of politics, not as a matter of True Faith and Heresy.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Hmmm...

I'd guess 99.9% of the women are voting for her because they want a female president. And I have no idea why that last 1% would EVER vote for her. She's wrong on every issue - except maybe, female issues. I'll give her that, but that's still a one issue voter, but at least it's an issue.

[leftofcool]

18. And there is your answer folks.

99% of the women will vote for Hillary only because she is female because we are just too dumb to care about anything but women's issues and of course that is all Hillary has ever been good at. Jesus Christ on a crutch!

[NurseJackie]

19. That's very illuminating, isn't it?

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Thanks for concurring.

She supports:

Fracking - Progressives do NOT
Prisons for profits - Progressives do NOT
She voted for the IWR
She helped give us ISIS
She supports Wall St. Which destroyed our economy and the global economy
She supports the TPP
The XL PIPELINE
DOESN'T support tuition free state universities
Doesn't support universal healthcare
War, war, war, and more war!



There's NOTHING TO SUPPORT! That is unless you're one of the 1%!

[brooklynite]

21. Pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-immigration, pro-criminal justice reform, pro-progressive taxation..

Nothing at all

[2pooped2pop]

40. ^this^

Yep

[Agschmid]

26. I believe the term was "female issues"...

[2pooped2pop]

35. no she is also good at throwing people small bone

So that they can be fooled into thinking she is helping them while the steak always goes to the rich and corporations.

[dsc]

30. and you have the utter nerve to wonder why people call some Sanders supporters sexist.

[NCTraveler]

36. Your post speaks volumes.

A lot of people have been showing their true beliefs over the last month. I like the transparency. Your post here is every bit as offensive as the Stockholm post. 99% are voting for her because they just want a woman and are too stupid to look past that. You simply have no idea what you are talking about. Your thought are based on your upbringing in the patriarchy. Many of us have been able to shake that upbringing. I'm glad you think Clinton is good on "female issues."

[mythology]

60. So because you disagree women must be voting on their uterus?

How nice that you think women have so little agency that they are blinded by their vaginas.

This is an incredibly insulting post.

[Hekate]

73. And our hormonal cycles. Don't forget the dreaded female hormones.

further comment deleted

[JTFrog]

105. Why do you think it's ok to say something like that?

It's sexist as hell and that kind of sentiment does not belong on a progressive democratic website.

Perhaps you were looking for some MRA dudes to chime in and agree with you?

I'm just curious as to why you think it's ok to make such a sexist comment.

[MaggieD]

22. She's the most qualified person in the race, by far

And if you removed all the people NOT voting for her because she is a woman despite the fact that she is the most qualified she would win in a landslide.

[JaneyVee]

23. Bernie is king of one issue voters.

He has one issue.

[2pooped2pop]

42. yes. change the way shit is going

That's his one issue, while Clinton's is more of the same.

[-none]

58. "He has one issue."

The people over the 1%.

[JoePhilly]

25. Hey look, a candidate for dumbest OP ever posted on DU!!!

This kind of nonsense is the kind of thing you usually hear shouted from under a bridge.

[LostOne4Ever]

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[JoePhilly]

49. Thanks!!!

Its amazing what one can say about Hillary supporters and not get a hide.

Fight back, and you only win 4-3.

Oh well, it's primary season.

[UglyGreed]

89. It is amazing that someone

can be called a sexist over and over again and yet those post remain.............

[JoePhilly]

90. Perhaps you can show me some.

But hey, we have learned that one can call Hillary a "whore" and that doing so won't necessarily get you a hide either.

[UglyGreed]

91. Just check MADem's replies

to me as of late. BTW Never saw anyone here at DU call Hillary that..............

[pinebox]

68. And yet it's being said

and said loudly at that too.

[JoePhilly]

69. Dumb is more contagious than Ebola.

[quickesst]

28. Wel.....

One could also wonder what her poll numbers would look like if voters were not voting for her because she's a woman. You are correct in that there are a lot of one issue voters, but I don't really think it would affect her poll numbers to any real extent. My opinion.

[liberal N proud]

29. LOL

[DanTex]

33. They would look the same, because there are no such people.

[2pooped2pop]

38. please

There are some right here on this post.

[DanTex]

41. I count a total of zero.

[2pooped2pop]

44. read again. n/t

[DanTex]

46. Still zero. I think you're having a problem distinguishing reality from imagination.

[2pooped2pop]

48. right, it's me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. As an honest broker and referee I have to give this round to you.

I guess the folks who voted for forty four males in a row for pres voted for him because he had an outie instead of an innie.

[2pooped2pop]

66. How many times was someone running who was not male? n/t

I guess we should have written in a female.

[NCTraveler]

37. The Stockholm post wasn't the start of a competition. nt.

[OilemFirchen]

61. Ha!

[Nonhlanhla]

43. This is how the logic goes:

Black people voted for Obama just because he is black.

Women support Hillary just because she is a woman.

White people vote for white guys ON THE ISSUES, and not on race or gender AT ALL.

Do I have that right?

And yes, sarcasm thingy:

[2pooped2pop]

47. yes, that's right.

It's only sexist if it's about a woman. Never a man.
It's only racist if it's about poc, never whites.
This, has been posted, is because white males are the majority and u can only punch up not down. I say bullshit on that.
racism is racism. Sexism is sexism.

[Codeine]

51. You stand up for those white dudes!

Fight the power!

[2pooped2pop]

67. Just saying racism is racism. Sexism is sexism. who it is comimg from and where it is going does

not matter.

[Codeine]

71. And a that utterly oblivious statement

is why PoC are right when they say white people don't comprehend racism on even the simplest and most basic level.

[2pooped2pop]

76. It does go both ways

period

[Codeine]

78. White racism has destroyed a dozen generations

of African Americans. Black racism (which doesn't exist, but whatever, I'll humor you) once made a white girl cry in a library. As a white person "black racism" will have ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMPACT on your life. Zilch. None. Nada. Nil. The null set.

So no, it really doesn't go both fucking ways. It's dumb to pretend it does. It's the height of privilege to pretend it does. It's culturally blind to pretend it does.

It's fucking embarrassing to pretend it does.

[JoePhilly]

50. +1

[Starry Messenger]

52. You'd still have all of her voters in her camp, because no one is voting for Hillary just because

she's female.

[Renew Deal]

53. So according to you, a Hillary victory would not be legitimate

Same things the racists say about Obama by the way.

[2pooped2pop]

55. I did not say that

A Hillary win based on voters voting gor her because she is a woman would be unfortunate but legit.

[BlueJazz]

56. I've wonder about that also but not from a "DUer" point of view. I think the people here vote for..

...whomever that they think is the best candidate.
What I mean from "The DUer" is some people (who are not DUers) might vote for Bernie because he's Jewish or Obama because he's black or even a woman because they're a woman.

Let's face it...that type of thinking has always been around. I DON'T think it's much of a factor here though.
I'm for Bernie but I'll certainly vote for Hillary if she's the chosen one.

[olddots]

57. personally I'm too pooped to post

[EndElectoral]

64. PPP poll showed a 22 point gender gap

This is the poll most cited by Clinton supporters.

[Hekate]

77. And since women are the actual gender-majority, "female issues" are a majority issue.

[EndElectoral]

87. Not sure how that relates to the PPP polling data saying there is a 22 point gender gap.

I don't think Sanders, O'Malley or Clinton don't all agree as you say "female issues" are important.

The polling data, underwritten by her own Super_PAC, simply reflects that there is a significant gender gap in her support.

btw...and I mean this sincerely. Would you list the "female issues" that you feel she will address better than Sanders or O'Malley?

[pinebox]

72. I agree

and sadly this train of thought is one that is floating around and it's rather common.
I've seen it on here sadly and I've had a few runarounds with those who are of that opinion. I've also seen it on https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=hillary%20time%20for%20a%20woman&src=typdtwitter.
]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Another attack on Hillary Clinton and her supporters (SIGH)

She is eminently qualified to be president of the United States by dint of experience, temperament, and record of achievement.

-First Lady of Arkansas
-First Lady Of the United States
-Two term senator from one of the most populous and most heterogeneous states in the nation
-Secretary of State

She has offered detailed positions for this campaign on

-criminal justice reform
-immigration reform
-climate change
-financial reform
-combating terrorism
-gun control

She and her husband have worked tirelessly for the Democratic party since they were wet behind the ears field organizers for George McGovern in 1972 registering Mexicans in southwest Texas to vote.


See, I was able to make my case without denigrating Senator Sanders or the other members of our community.

[Hekate]

80. Thanks. Only one addendum: She kept her own name and career while Bill was governor.

That was groundbreaking all by itself.

I think the VRWC has hated her ever since they clapped eyes on that young feminist lawyer. Among the things they tried to ding her for during Bill's first run for POTUS: Hillary had the nerveless gall to assert that children have rights, and was making a name for herself on those issues.

Bill Clinton's first presidential campaign wasn't all about "bimbo eruptions" and trying to stop him any way they could. The RW also attacked Hillary fairly viciously, which is rather unusual for a little wifey of a governor.

Her wings were clipped while she was FLOTUS, but not before she tried to get universal health care through Congress. Her speech in Beijing was courageous and historic. She was used as an ambassador at large.

If I were writing her resume, I'd flesh out the two gigs as First Lady quite a bit. She kept busy.

Thanks so much for being quick with your post! Much appreciated.

[Beacool]

79. If this was 2008 and you replaced Obama for Hillary and AA for female,

what would be the reaction that you would get?

Your post is offensive on many levels.

[Hekate]

81. At least....

...he has Zero Recs. That's a moderately hopeful sign.

[Beacool]

88. Not so hopeful, someone rec'd it.

As I said, I would like him to have posted this, but using Obama, in 2008. People would have been furious and called him a racist, but I guess you can say anything about Hillary and people will sit on their hands (other than her supporters). If you call them out on their sexism then they claim that we are cry babies and using the gender card. That's OK, the more insulting they get, the more it helps Hillary's cause.

[Maedhros]

83. The bulk of Hillary's support comes from low-information voters and name recognition.

I've no doubt there are some who are basing their vote on gender identity, but most are going with Hillary because they don't know who Sanders and O'Malley are and haven't put any effort into learning.

[Beaverhausen]

84. Well, bless your heart.

Are you sweet?

[Beacool]

85. Your subject line, you sound like Limbaugh.

Those are almost his exact words.

Yes, people are sooooo stupid that if they just knew the wonders that Sanders and O'Malley could accomplish they would drop Hillary and run to support them.

Wow, if that's not insulting, I don't know what is.

[Hekate]

92. It really does give one pause when one considers the far reach of the VRWC. nt

[Beacool]

93. The term "low information voter" is continually used by Limbaugh against Democrats.

It makes me pause when a Democrat uses it to attack another Democrat. This site has gone down the rabbit hole.

[Hekate]

94. The DU rabbit hole would be giving Alice a migraine.

When is the Democratic Convention again?

[Beacool]

96. Yep, that's why I either don't come here at all for long periods of time

or read the nonsense they post just for laughs. I used to get upset, now I just shrug it off unless it's extremely offensive.

[frazzled]

99. Oh, that's nice: insult voters' intelligence even as you

reinforce sexist views. It's a twofer!

You seem to be saying women by default are just less intelligent than, say ... you, in your highly evolved state. That should go over well with, say, the 52%+ of women who make up the Democratic electorate.

[MeNMyVolt]

106. Sorry, you should think twice before hitting the post button.

That was bad. Really bad. People support candidates because they feel a connection. And the connection is not through their gonads, or that they're too dumb to figure anything out. That attitude is very off putting, and you should reconsider posting it if you're trying to draw folk to your candidate.

[Hekate]

110. YOU need to read the OP. It was that bad. nt

[Maedhros]

111. I stand by my post.

It makes sense in the bigger context, i.e. outside DU. Everyone here is a political junkie, but the random person on the other end of a land line answering a polling question who supports Clinton is very likely to be much, much less informed.

[closeupready]

86. ...would there by anyone left...?

Good question. !

[Cali_Democrat]

95. It's a silly question

unless you think the majority of women supporting her are doing so because she's a female.

[loyalsister]

97. I know several hard core feminists who don't support Hillary

I'm talking 2nd wavers and women whose mothers could not vote. She has the money, but I think the polls may be deceptive.

[okasha]

98. Here's how you calculate the answer.

How many of the women now supporting Hillary would vote for Michelle Bachman just because she's a woman ?

There's your answer.

[question everything]

101. Thus, it was OK to vote for Obama in 2008 because he is black

don't kid yourself, many said precisely this - but not OK to vote for Hillary because she is a woman?

But then, double standard was always alive and well on DU.

[Romulox]

102. That's not fair! A lot of Hillary's supporters are for her because they oppose taxing the wealthy,

and because they enjoy her "We came, we same, he DIED!" quip!

[Thinkingabout]

103. I would not be removed, I am supporting Hillary because she is very capable.

If this campaign was with a man with Hillary's capability I would vote for the man, likewise if there was a woman who was the lesser qualified candidate I would not vote for the lessee qualified candidate simply because she was a woman.

[guillaumeb]

104. I am unsure if this is nonsense, or an attempt at very subtle humor.

Please respond using easy words and short sentences.

This almost sounds like crude, misogynistic talk that Donald Trump might say as he attempts to stay in the public eye.

[JTFrog]

107. Unrec.

Ugly sexist bullshit.

[MrWendel]

108. How many people who voted for Barack Obama...

are voting for Ben Carson right now because hes Black? Oh yeah another person already asked that stupid ass question.

[BainsBane]

109. If you removed the people voting for Bernie just because he's male

I wonder how many voters would be left?

This is like the right calling Obama an "affirmative action president." Somehow it's always black people and women who vote "based on race" or "gender," yet all but one of our presidents have been white males. The argument is entirely devoid of logic. It does, however, show how upset some are that a woman stands a good chance of being elected president. Election Day 2016, the US just might start to catch up to the rest of the world, and you're just going to have to deal with it.

[2pooped2pop]

115. not true

republicans are big voters of race and gender. I would like to know how many Bernie supporters would vote for him only because he is a male too. Or more realistically; because he is not female. But I think there would be far fewer people voting for Bernie due to gender than Hillary. Like I said before, a large portion of Bernie supporters were originally hoping Elizabeth Warren would get in the race so I don't think the majority are gender only voters.

[BainsBane]

116. Your assumption that women support Clinton only because of her gender

is insulting. You assume the candidate with far more experience, who is far smarter and better qualified on every conceivable level is only supported because she is a female. You think it acceptable to demean women voters by insisting they only vote based on gender, though you in fact have voted for men your entire life. You see no contradiction in that. You think it perfectly acceptable to support only men, and with one exception white men, for office because there is some hypothetical female candidate you say some Sanders supporters would vote for.

Your argument is identical to what Republicans say. To claim that Republicans vote based on gender when Democrats who vote only for men don't is absurd, since the GOP also has female candidates. They nominated Sarah Palin. If your claim that we women just voted on gender, we would have voted for Palin, or why not Fiorina? The argument is nonsensical and it is premised on the clearly unfounded assumption that you are smarter and exercise better judgement than women who dare to vote in ways that don't meet your approval.

Your post shows none of the superiority to women voters and Clinton supporters than you assert. You show through this OP that your opposition to Clinton is based on gender. But that isn't bad enough. You don't stop there. You feel compelled to insult all women who support her, based on absolutely no evidence, by assuming the only reason they support her is that she is female. Your post manifests none of the superiority you claim. To say it is facile is an understatement. Here it is, the 21st century, and you think it acceptable to post your reactionary assumptions on a site that purports to be leftist. You should be ashamed, but I expect your sense of entitlement makes that impossible.

Your entire argument is premised on the assumption that voting for anyone but the male is based on gender. It lacks any semblance of logic. You make no effort to support your assumptions with evidence of any kind. All it reveals is how you see women. Nothing else. I'm sorry to know ideas such as those you espouse still exist in this world, but not at all surprised. Fortunately, most Americans are not like you.

[2pooped2pop]

118. I couldn't even get through all of that.

but what I did see shows that you haven't paid attention.

[mcar]

114. I presume this survived an alert

Nothing more need be said.

[McCamy Taylor]

117. Eeks!

I may have to nominate this thread for a prize. Not saying what kind of prize.

[2pooped2pop]

119. probably a truth hurts prize

or you all wouldn't be here whining about a question. I also said I would be interested to know how many would choose Bernie over her for being male, but nope, nothing to whine about there, so we ignore that.