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Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:07 PM

You all know that Medicare is not free health care right?

Medicare part A (hospital bed day) coverage has a deductible for every plan year. There is a daily cost for days over 60.
Part B has a premium based on income.
There is part D which has costs for prescriptions
Then there is the payroll deduction.
I guess Medicare for all will cost us too.
I don't think Bernie's single payer means taxing us then care is free.

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Reply You all know that Medicare is not free health care right? (Original post)
upaloopa Nov 2015 OP
Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1
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UglyGreed Nov 2015 #2
KansDem Nov 2015 #3
NCTraveler Nov 2015 #4
Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #5
NCTraveler Nov 2015 #15
msongs Nov 2015 #6
Armstead Nov 2015 #12
Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #14
NCTraveler Nov 2015 #16
ibegurpard Nov 2015 #17
NCTraveler Nov 2015 #18
Autumn Nov 2015 #22
NCTraveler Nov 2015 #19
Ron Green Nov 2015 #7
Romulox Nov 2015 #8
Autumn Nov 2015 #9
Vinca Nov 2015 #10
Autumn Nov 2015 #13
Vinca Nov 2015 #20
Autumn Nov 2015 #21
ibegurpard Nov 2015 #11
Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #23

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:09 PM

1. Yes

Do you have any other "difficult" questions?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:11 PM

2. .

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:15 PM

3. "OK, now I'm pissed off'

OK, now I'm pissed off

I have studiously avoided any sort of attack on Hillary Clinton in discussing why I support Bernie Sanders. We donít know yet who our nominee will be and Iíd prefer whoever it is to be as strong as possible for the general. But now Iím going to break that rule. Hereís a Politico story in which the Clinton campaign attacks Bernie for proposing Medicare for all and ó the part that pisses me off ó does it in terms that could easily have come from Fox News or the Wall Street Journal ó with scare tactics about tax increases on the Middle Class and totally refusing to acknowledge the huge savings and efficiencies inherent in a single-payer system. I can live with Democrats disagreeing over single-payer, but when they adopt the framing of the far-right to do so, thatís one step too far for me. An excerpt:

ďBernie Sanders has called for a roughly 9-percent tax hike on middle-class families just to cover his health-care plan,Ē said Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon, referring to legislation Sanders introduced in 2013, ďand simple math dictates he'll need to tax workers even more to pay for the rest of his at least $18-20 trillion agenda. If you are truly concerned about raising incomes for middle-class families, the last thing you should do is cut their take-home pay right off the bat by raising their taxes.Ē


As any honest and reasonably intelligent (Non-Republican) person knows, the American worker is already paying the full cost of single-payer ó and more ó in the form of higher prices, lower wages, premiums, co-pays, deductibles, high drug prices and stagnant economic activity, among others. To speak only of increased taxes without acknowledging the reality of those myriad savings is simply to lie. Itís a lie weíve grown used to from Republicans. Iím not willing to accept it from a Democrat.

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To speak only of increased taxes without acknowledging the reality of those myriad savings is simply to lie.

...'Nuff said.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:23 PM

4. We will do much better when people on the left stop using the word free.

 

For one it's bullshit on it's own. Two, due to the blatant in your face bullshit aspect, righties get to mock it. I mean it simply falls flat on face value.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:29 PM

5. What is the correct term used by those of you on the right, since the left gets it all wrong?

 

nt

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:24 PM

15. Nice. Lol nt

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:33 PM

6. just like a free college education is not free. somebody pays for it. a reframing of that would

be useful

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:07 PM

12. Most people don't use the term "free"

 

It is more often used by right-wingers and by so-called "centrists" who are wedded to the status quo.


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Response to Armstead (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:17 PM

14. Which is exactly what happened in this thread.

 

nt

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:26 PM

16. So you are going to feign ignorance...

 

And act like Sanders supporter after Sanders supporter haven't described it using the word "free." Seriously? And you are claiming I do. What in the world.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:29 PM

17. most people refer to it as "single payer"

No one calls it free

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:31 PM

18. Most people do call it single payer. I agree.

 

"No one calls it free." Lol

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:54 PM

22. You are claiming Sanders supporters are describing it as free?

Yeah right

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:44 PM

19. You are painting with a brush to broad to carry.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251702698#post14

Literally all over the place. I made no absolute statements. Your framing as if I have and using absolutes yourself. You do know there are literally over a thousand more links to something similar from people on this board who I firmly believe are very solid progressives and further left on the spectrum. Why you feel the need to do so, all while being making false assumptions. Armstead properly corrected them right there.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:43 PM

7. I'm astounded at how moronic are your posts,

just to try to discredit the candidate you don't want.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:44 PM

8. You know that wars of choice in the Middle East isn't free corporate welfare, right?

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:47 PM

9. You all know that purchasing heath insurance is not health care right?

Did you know that we pay taxes for the Obamacare subsidies so that people who can't afford to buy insurance from private companies can get health insurance, not health care? You are obviously fine with our tax dollars going to private corporations though, I would rather my tax dollars go to a government program that actually works than to fucking Humana.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:47 PM

10. I am on it and it's very affordable.

The deductible is foolishly small. My husband had a brief hospitalization last year and we owed a whopping $300. (And we don't have a supplemental policy of any kind.) I don't know why you insist on making Bernie's healthcare plans sound so horrible. He just wants everyone - to a person - able to get needed medical care.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:11 PM

13. I can't wait to get to pay for Medicare. Paying premiums for shitty insurance

every month sucks.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:46 PM

20. Everyone should have it. It's great.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:52 PM

21. My husband has it. It's fricking awesome.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:57 PM

11. do you really think people are fucking stupid???

Of course we do! Instead of premiums and high deductibles and out of pockets we pay higher taxes and small businesses are no longer saddled with the horrendous costs of health insurance.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:57 PM

23. Wow very insightful.

 

It's amazing all these other countries manage to provide universal public healthcare at lower per capita cost and with better outcomes. Too bad we can't do that because --words--

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