Bernie Sanders is a PURIST and therefore UNELECTABLE

[MannyGoldstein]

And hey, BernieBros, check this out: Bernie DID NOT VOTE TO SUDDENLY END MILITARY FUNDING!!! Therefore he is IMPURE, loves the F-35, and you can't vote for him.

And nurses have a super PAC, so Bernie loves Wall Street and war!

CHECKMATE comrades!

Regards,

TWM

[guillaumeb]

1. Does that mean Sanders has:

principles rather than principals?

[WillyT]

3. LOL !!!

[marym625]

2. you sneaky little devil, TWM!

I see what you did there

[WillyT]

4. K & R !!!

[bravenak]

5. "Bernie loves Wall Street and war! "

He does not seem to love Wall Street at all. Goes on and on about it. But I think the f-35 thing is very accurate. Good job! HILLARY 2016!

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Hey Bravenak! Fantastic to see you!

Genuine Hillary Clinton Supporters like you be bring a big smile to my face!



Regards,

TWM

[bravenak]

8. Hillary Changes Heart and Minds!!!

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Even entire personas!

It's in-credible! Fantastic!



Regards,

TWM

[bravenak]

14. I learned from YOU!!! The BEST there is!!!

[MannyGoldstein]

33. For real?

[bravenak]

35. You are THAT good.

[merrily]

20. LOL!

[BeanMusical]

38. +1

[kath]

41. +2

let's shine some sunlight on that: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075924#post5

[Fairgo]

9. I find the honesty refreshing

Even when I don't agree with the duplicity it hides behind.

[Live and Learn]

13. Look what you made me do:

[daybranch]

11. Whether Bernie supports the F-35 can best be determned by facts, maybe he just knew

having it located on a base in Vermont would bring employment to his state. His positions usually seem very consistent on the need to reduce military spending on weapon systems purchases, so where does he say the F-35 is a desirable weapon system? Contractors use states' desires to increase employment in their states to build support for weapon systems development, a tactic used very well to build support for the B1B bomber. I do not know if Bernie voted to build the F35 aircraft. If not he does not support anything other than employment in his beloved state of Vermont and actually should be commended by people of Vermont and our nation and if he did vote for the program or testified as to its need then he should explain. But as of today I have not seen any facts having been laid out by his critics only un-suppported agendas of the military industrial complex and Hillary supporters. Show me your proof or cut the bull.

[merrily]

22. I don't know if you saw MannyGoldstein's thread about the F-35

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251804927

I think its one of his favorite threads.

[angrychair]

39. F-35 is not "accurate"

First, it was a said in a mocking manner.
More importantly, Sanders has been honest about the F-35 and its gross cost overruns but it is strongly supported by residents in Burlington, VT, right or wrong, he is honest about it and does not any away.
Just as important, he has never taken a single dime of money from General Dynamics, not one dime.

To be honest, I have never liked defense spending as a jobs program, I think it creates weaknesses in our economy and billions of dollars in waste.

[bravenak]

40. He may be honest but it is an unnecessary drain.

[BlueCaliDem]

52. A HUGE drain - to the tune of one TRILLION dollars of taxpayer dollars.

The Lockheed Martin F-35 is a lemon aircraft and "the epitome of Pentagon waste".

Thinkprogress: Americans Have Spent Enough Money On A Broken Plane To Buy Every Homeless Person A Mansion

During an interview, Pierre Sprey, a co-designer of the F-16, went into great detail about how the F-35 was a lemon aircraft. Sprey explained that the fighter is an excessively heavy gas guzzler with small wings, a low bomb-carry capacity, low loiter time, is incapable of slow flight, is detectable to World War II-era low-frequency radar, and costs $200 million apiece. And just a little over a week ago, the F-35 caught fire on a runway at Eglin Air Force Base.

To his credit, Sanders acknowledged that the program was “wasteful” in his defense of it. The contention over the F-35 in his home state of Vermont is that the program is now responsible for jobs in his hometown of Burlington, where he served as mayor before running for Congress. Some front doors of homes in the Burlington area are adorned with green ribbons, signifying support for the F-35. Sanders, like his colleagues in 45 states around the country, doesn’t want to risk the wrath of voters angry about job losses related to F-35 manufacturing, assembly, and training if the program were to be cut.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion

Lockheed Martin, Inc., gets 82% of its total revenue from taxpayers. If Sanders is serous about going after the "millionaires and billionaires", he can start with Lockheed Martin.

[bravenak]

53. yep.

This kinda corporate welfare needs to end.

[Cosmic Kitten]

7. He's bought and paid for by nurses...

And he cares about funding
soldiers and veterans.

How could anyone trust him
when his loyalty is with
the lowly working class?

Doesn't he understand that's
NOT how an oligarchy works?

[daybranch]

16. As a survior of colon cancer and acquaintance with the calling of nurses and their compassion

for us working folks, I am very compelled to trust whomever they support. So many times they have brightened my day with their hopeful encouragement, so many times they have removed my anxiety about medical costs through independent actions they took swiftly, so many times they have cried for me when I hurt. I did not know nurses before but I do now and
and if they form a super PAC to support Bernie I guess I would not question their motivation. They get us and care about us. That is why they support Bernie who gets us and supports us too. Go Bernie and thank you nurses where ever you are.

[Trajan]

28. They call it a Super PAC

But it is just a collection of Nurses who love Bernie and want to promote his candidacy ... Small Potatoes and not an actual Super PAC ... $570,000 ... more of just a PAC without the Super ... but it's sure super that they are doing this ...

I love Nurses, and I love Bernie Sanders ...

[rhett o rick]

59. Swiftboating fail. nm

[slipslidingaway]

43. Congratulations and I agree the nurses are wonderful, they are one of the many underappreciated ...

people in our HC system! We have come to appreciate many people at MSK over the past 6 years. Honestly though, we wish we did not recognize their faces and they did not recognize us. There is always a wave or a quick conversation with someone in addition to the core staff, we were just there today.

One day at a time!

[reformist2]

10. What's the opposite of a purist... a corruptionist???

Sounds about right!

[musiclawyer]

15. Tide is turning.

Social media is slowing killing HRC and her good bounce from performance in the congressional hearing is deflating with each day. Moreover modern polling is crap. The "scientific" meme is bullshit unless the pollsters prove that every call made was made to 50 % cell phones and the same ratio as land line picked up, and the pool included the same same % over and under age 40. But they won't because they can't

[Cheese Sandwich]

17. Good summary of today's talking points

[Tarc]

18. It's amazing that these blog-like tirades

usually by the same user get piles of upvotes every day; it's like an exercise in GroupThink. Elections aren't popularity contests, kids, and a daily dose of the Triple-S (Sanders' Supprters' Snark) isn't really going to sway undecided liberals to his side.

[Trajan]

30. You again ? ..

Who the hell wants to hear this ? ... This is total nonsense ...

No more ...

[Tarc]

60. Why are Sanders supports so afraid of dissenting opinions?

Seems that you lot are unable to come to grips with just why Hillary is in the lead, by far.

[merrily]

19. If I were on team Hillary, I really wouldn't mention PACs, especially not a measly

half million dollar PAC from nurses.

Among many other things, what a statement about what nurses see in Sanders' goal of Medicare for All versus Billarycare.

Then again, team Hillary never does seem to know when to zip it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=74854

[reformist2]

21. Yeah, I'm not sure admitting that your candidate is corrupt, but so is everyone else is a winning

strategy. It seems like a surefire way to shoot yourself in the foot to me. :/

[merrily]

23. I see it as Team Hillary proving again and again that Sanders is much better than Hillary.

It's not how I would approach it, but, then, again, no one is paying me millions to formulate campaign strategy.

[Voice for Peace]

31. you have. a good point, the efforts to demean bernie consistently backfire.

At the same time appearing to be clueless about Bernie's actual support.

[merrily]

32. They keep nitpicking him over things as to which she is so much worse.

War, PACs. It's downright laughable.

[Autumn]

24. You said comrades you meanie

Now I gotta support Hillary?

[immoderate]

25. TWM, this is pure you-know-what!

And I mean PURE! And I also mean you.know.what.!

And PURE!

--imm

[aidbo]

26. He's in the pocket of 'Big Nurse'

[kath]

42. Yes, evil Big Nurse!

Horrifying!

[Oilwellian]

47. Even nurse Ratched supports him

[BeanMusical]

55. Lol!

[MADem]

27. You forgot--he loves DRONES, too (made by the same guys who made that F-35).

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/bernie-sanders-drones-counter-terror

Bernie Sanders says he would use drones to fight terror as president

....In an interview with NBC’s Meet the Press scheduled for broadcast on Sunday, host Chuck Todd asked the independent senator from Vermont if drones or special forces would play a role in his counter-terror plans.

“All of that and more,” Sanders said.

Asked to clarify, he added: “Look, a drone is a weapon. When it works badly, it is terrible and it is counterproductive. When you blow up a facility or a building which kills women and children, you know what? … It’s terrible.”

The Obama administration’s use of drones to target terrorist suspects has proved controversial, particularly with the political left. Sanders, a self-professed democratic socialist, has proven popular in such circles in the 2016 campaign so far.

Todd asked Sanders: “But you’re comfortable with the idea of using drones if you think you’ve isolated an important terrorist?”

Sanders replied: “Yes”.

Looks like Sanders is inching to the right on some issues....interesting!!

[Jack Rabbit]

29. Manny, you've got to stop making fun of other people's sophistry.

!!

[MeNMyVolt]

34. I have to ask, why do people fall for these posts?

You don't see you're being played?

[bravenak]

36. We know. We like it!

[INdemo]

37. Bernie is going to win this thing

Then Clinton's have nothing so they have to attack with these baseless BS isues.....

Hillary is Nervous and probably saw some interior polling which showed this was going to be another 2008 all over ago

[KittyWampus]

44. No, purists don't thank superPAC's after railing against superPAC's.

[MannyGoldstein]

45. If the Krabby Kommy™ really wanted to win

He's bring a spoon to a knife fight.

Upgrading to a spork is degenerate.

[aidbo]

50. A spoon is best, because it's dull!

[MaggieD]

46. He's unelectable because he is a "one note charlie"

And that one note does not resonate with the majority. He's shtick is telling you that your life is shitty because some people are rich. But that just doesn't ring true for lots of people. Especially if their life isn't shitty.

The other issue is that his proposals are pie in the sky without any real plan to make them happen, and no realization of political reality. So even if your life is shitty there is not much about Bernie that is attractive to people that are reality based.

Lastly, he is unelectable because most people realize a president has to know and understand and have viable proposals on a huge range of issues. His one note Charlie routine just does not work.

[MADem]

48. That is as good a summary as I've heard anywhere.

I also notice that people believe things about him that are just not true. He's not a liberal, he has said so. He's well to the right on guns, he told Chuck Todd he'd use drones, and he wasn't out in front on many social issues, though his fan base likes to pretend that he was.

I also get the impression that some of his supporters approach his candidacy as some kind of quirky "counterculture" effort--something that isn't "of the majority," thus, it's unique and cool.

If the poor old guy ever did get elected, he'd be thrown under the bus in a heartbeat. Why? He'd no longer be a boutique brand--he'd be "Of the majority."

[MaggieD]

49. Thank you - seems obvious to me

Apparently not so obvious to lots of folks here. SMH.

[Kalidurga]

51. You forgot GUNZ!!!!

The NRA has Bernie in his pocket they only gave him a D-. The streets are going to flow with blood, because Bernie won't allow manufacturers to be sued over people committing crimes with a lawful product.

[Ed Suspicious]

54. Damnit. You have him cornered. Any way he turns he's a loser in this election. I would love to

see you break down the Clinton inverse.

[BeanMusical]

56. Kick and R

Thanks for the chuckles.

[TSIAS]

57. K&R

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

58. So say the party "purists".