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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:40 AM Nov 2015

No, Hillary. You Did Not Bring Democracy to Burma.

Clinton points to Burma as a prime example of her foreign policy leadership. But how far has the country really come?

Meanwhile, the pro-Clinton super-PAC Correct the Record has taken up the task of highlighting Clinton's achievements in the former pariah state. On its website, the super-PAC quotes a 2012 editorial by the Tampa Bay Times: "Clinton took a leading role in moving Myanmar's generals to accept the modern era."

While Steinberg agrees that the improvement of US-Burma relations has been a success—and even the Obama administration's only success in East Asia—when it comes to Burma's political transition, "I do not think the US can take credit," he tells Mother Jones. The Burmese junta did not suddenly decide to hand over power to a quasi-civilian government because the United States asked it to; it had been planning to do so for nearly two decades. "This reform came from the top—it's not like the Middle East Arab Spring," says Steinberg.

It's difficult to know why the junta relinquished the government, but there were likely several factors: They knew their country was falling behind economically, they may have wanted to avoid a revolt or overreliance on Chinese assistance, and, given advances in technology, they may have recognized that they couldn't isolate their people from the outside world forever.

Today, former junta leaders are still running the show, albeit in civilian clothes, says Kyaw Zwa Moe, editor of the Irrawaddy's English-language edition. "To maintain their grip on power they have transformed their image from time to time," he wrote in a commentary last year, tracing the political trajectory over the past half century, "from a military regime to a socialist dictatorship, to another military regime and finally to the current nominally civilian government." While people in cities have seen improvements in their lives, including an easing of media restrictions and the opportunity to vote, Steinberg adds that "the real change"—improvements for the 70 percent of the population who live in rural areas—hasn't happened yet.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/hillary-clinton-burma-myanmar-general-election

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No, Hillary. You Did Not Bring Democracy to Burma. (Original Post) UglyGreed Nov 2015 OP
Meanwhile, Bernie travels back and forth from Vermont to DC. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #1
LOL UglyGreed Nov 2015 #2
Like single payer. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #3
"spreading diplomacy"? Wilms Nov 2015 #4
Meeting world leaders through Bombing, and Coups. bahrbearian Nov 2015 #5
Soon our "democracy" might catch up to their "democracy" in the treatment of Muslims... MattSh Nov 2015 #6
You sure have been spaming DU with a bunch of negative attacks against Clinton today Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #7
Just FYI... the results JTFrog Nov 2015 #8
Thanks n/t Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #12
K UglyGreed Nov 2015 #10
NYT, yesterday: "Final Vote Tally Confirms Rout by Myanmar Opposition" ucrdem Nov 2015 #9
Good news Dem2 Nov 2015 #11
sounds like how the republicans claim that Reagan toppled the USSR Doctor_J Nov 2015 #13
Yep UglyGreed Nov 2015 #14
LOL - if she found a cure for cancer MaggieD Nov 2015 #15
IMO many HRC supporters would believe UglyGreed Nov 2015 #16
But then if Hillary did UglyGreed Nov 2015 #17
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
1. Meanwhile, Bernie travels back and forth from Vermont to DC.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:44 AM
Nov 2015

While Hillary is meeting with world leaders and spreading diplomacy.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
6. Soon our "democracy" might catch up to their "democracy" in the treatment of Muslims...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015
No vote, no candidates: Myanmar's Muslims barred from their own election | World news | The Guardian

Win Mya Mya has given everything for Aung San Suu Kyi and her party – including the use of her left hand.

Drawing back the thin sleeve of her purple silk shirt, she reveals a disfigured appendage that gives her near-constant pain.

“She can’t even use it in the bathroom,” her sister says.

The wound dates back to 2003 when Win Mya Mya was part of a Suu Kyi convoy attacked by a mob sponsored by the former ruling military junta. Scores of people were killed. She spent years in jail and her family’s shop was seized.

“I would die for the NLD,” she says, speaking of Suu Kyi’s National League for Democracy party.

But despite this devotion, Win Mya Mya cannot stand for them in an election.

The upcoming poll on 8 November has been been touted as the freest and fairest in decades but, with religion an increasingly sensitive issue in Myanmar, many Muslims – from ordinary voters to experienced politicians – are coming up against barriers to participation.

The vice-president of the NLD in Mandalay, a hotbed of religious tension, Win Mya Mya is one of dozens of Muslims who applied to run for parliament but were rejected on the basis of their faith.

-----> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/03/no-vote-no-candidates-myanmars-muslims-barred-from-their-own-election

Evergreen Emerald

(13,096 posts)
7. You sure have been spaming DU with a bunch of negative attacks against Clinton today
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:54 AM
Nov 2015

Are you assigned to do this, or just bored. I have an apple tree to trim if you need something to do!

 

JTFrog

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8. Just FYI... the results
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

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ucrdem

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9. NYT, yesterday: "Final Vote Tally Confirms Rout by Myanmar Opposition"
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:20 PM
Nov 2015
NOV. 20, 2015

BANGKOK — Myanmar’s election commission on Friday announced the final tally of the country’s Nov. 8 landmark election, a rout by the opposition, led by the Nobel Peace Prize laureate Daw Aung San Suu Kyi.

Her party, the National League for Democracy, won 390 seats compared with 42 for the governing party, a state-run television station reported in its Friday evening broadcast. The remaining 59 available seats in Parliament were won by smaller parties. One-quarter of the seats were not contested and are controlled by the military.

The victory gives Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi’s party a large majority in Parliament and the right to select a new president early next year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/world/asia/myanmar-election-aung-san-suu-kyi.html


This story got buried by the Paris attack last week but it looks like a democratic victory.
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. sounds like how the republicans claim that Reagan toppled the USSR
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:58 PM
Nov 2015

Mostly big media propaganda.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
14. Yep
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:01 PM
Nov 2015

funny how some claim victory when it is just the natural progression of the system rotting from within.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
15. LOL - if she found a cure for cancer
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:24 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie supporters and the media would say "but isn't everyone going to die eventually anyway?"

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
17. But then if Hillary did
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:33 PM
Nov 2015

find a cure she would team up with Big Pharma and no one except the rich would be able to afford the cost.

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