MoveOn.org 2016 Presidential Forum With Sanders & O'Malley: Clinton Declines

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In the MoveOn 2016 Presidential Forum, Sen. Sanders and Gov. O'Malley tackle money in politics, climate change, gun violence, racism, Social Security, the Syrian refugee crisis, and more. They're bringing much-needed attention to the real problems facing our country and the kinds of solutions that grassroots movements have been pressing for.

http://www.moveon.org/2016forum/

Meanwhile, progressives are so afraid of losing in the general election that they don’t keep progressive ideas in play during the primary and drag Hillary to the left. What would be the downside of holding off any Hillary endorsements until the primary is over or at least well underway? I just got an email from MoveOn that Hillary has so far declined to participate in their Presidential Forum on Tuesday Nov 24th where Bernie and Gov. Martin O’Malley will answer questions from the 8-million member liberal grassroots organization. Hillary already feels she can snub the base because she does not FEAR us.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/22/1453330/-My-Message-To-All-You-Early-Hillary-Boosters

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[PatrickforO]

1. I've been going around saying that Bernie has a huge underground swell of support that

isn't visible in the polls, and saying that pundits, pollsters and other establishment people will have a surprise when the voting begins.

Clinton just isn't progressive enough. This country is fucked up, and we need another FDR.

I will be watching the forum, and I hope more than the 8 million members of Move On will also be watching.

[Blue_Adept]

2. Shouldn't that be 'Hillary DECLINES'

You're slipping on the emphasis capitalization to add oomph and excitement to everything.

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4. Maybe you should practice

on having something valid to say.

I understand the distraction tactics employed by the many here, so all I will add to this foolish behavior is thanks for the kick!

[ibegurpard]

3. MoveOn is too far to the left for her

It would taint the new right-wing image she's trying out to associate with them.

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6. Hillary is TOO BUSY organizing

with Caucus-Goers in Boulder & Denver rather than face tough questions from the grassroots community about real problems such as "money in politics, climate change, gun violence, racism, Social Security, the Syrian refugee crisis, and more."

Hillary Clinton to Organize with Caucus-Goers in Boulder and Denver on Tuesday, November 24, 2015

On Tuesday, November 24th, Hillary Clinton will head to Colorado to mobilize caucus-goers at grassroots events in Boulder and Denver in order to help build support ahead of the March 1st Colorado Caucuses. During the events, Clinton will discuss the issues that keep Coloradans up at night and how she’ll address them as president.

http://blog.4president.us/2016/hillary-clinton/

[ibegurpard]

7. how much per plate?

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8. lol!....yea, exactly.

[CoffeeCat]

35. Hillary understands very well what happens when people listen to her...

...She tanks in the polls. Just as she is doing now in Iowa.

Her "inevitability", the entire framework on which her incompetent campaign is built--totally collapses when she has to engage with her opponents.

The only way she can preserve her flimsy support--is to stay out of the limelight and only participate in debates that are scheduled infrequently and on Saturday nights.

Oh my is she transparent.

This will look very bad for her, . But she's betting that it won't be as bad as two hours of the nation listening to her extoll the virtues of Wall Street, endless war in the Middle East and rip into a single-payer healthcare system (which most Democrats support).

This is going to be fantastic not having her there. She'll make herself more irrelevant and her numbers will soften further.

I bet she changes her mind and decides that can do her grocery shopping some other night, after all.

[askew]

5. Excellent news. I hope MoveOn gives both candidates equal time to shine.

Not surprised by Hillary. She thinks she has the primary sewn up and is moving right as fast as she can.

[Attorney in Texas]

9. Not surprised. Clinton should be using every opportunity to launch a general election campaign, but

she fears that she has not locked down the nomination (a fear that her supporters here are either -1- overcompensating to hide or -2- oblivious about).

If confidence in the Clinton campaign outweighed fear, she would be using this forum to distinguish herself from Sanders, O'Malley, and Obama as part of her general election strategy.

Skipping this forum betrays the outward facade of inevitability.

[firebrand80]

14. I would read it the opposite way

If her campaign didn't feel they had the nomination locked down, then they would attend the event. Instead, she is beginning to shift into GE mode.

I suppose you could say she's trying to loom inevitable as a way to hide the fact that she's in trouble, but that would be a ridiculous strategy that would essentially be repeating the mistakes of 2008. Hillary might be a lot of things, but she's not dumb.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying her campaign is correct in their thinking, but it's clear to me which way she's moving.

[Attorney in Texas]

15. A team that fears it cannot hold its lead switches to a prevent defense. A team that knows the game

has been won prepares its players for the next game by practicing new plays and defenses.

Clinton skipping the debate is like taking a knee to run out the clock as halftime approaches. She's scared of a fumble. I team that believes the game has been won already is not scared its quarterback will fumble the ball.

[firebrand80]

17. A team that fears it cannot hold it's lead

tries to score more points. You play prevent defense and vanilla offense when you have a comfortable lead; you make the clock your friend.

[blackspade]

21. How is working on primary caucusing shifting to GE mode?

She is skipping an opportunity for national exposure to progressives and liberals in the party for primary electioneering in one state.
Not the other way around.

[firebrand80]

41. Yes, a key GE state nt

[blackspade]

43. Whoosh!

[Hepburn]

29. Shades of 4 years ago. n/t

[firebrand80]

42. This time, she has a different definition of "locked down"

Last time, it was all about her national poll numbers, her campaign wasn't focused on the process of acquiring delegates. It's completely the opposite this time around, she's building her organization in all the early states, and the other campaigns don't have the resources to compete.

[Fearless]

23. You mean like last time??

[Truprogressive85]

10. being smug is not good trait

She did not attend Net Roots
She is not attending Moveon forum

Yet her supporters call her progressive, so the triangulation bullshit is coming out and she want to alienate liberals

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12. Hillary also snubbed Saturday's BET Criminal Justice Forum.

Once again, only Sanders & O'Malley made appearances .....

[Truprogressive85]

13. yup

and she was in SC that day as well

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16. Fundraising at Laura & Steve Gates home...

Clinton also attended a private fundraiser while she was in Charleston. The fundraiser was held at the home of Laura and Steve Gates.


Here is their invite:

[d_legendary1]

44. But mind you she has a commanding lead with minorities and women

Her supporters say so.

[Autumn]

11. She really doesn't want to have to be on the same stage with them.

She knows what would happen. The fear is almost palatable.

[UglyGreed]

18. .

[blackspade]

19. First the BET forum and now this one?

Why is Clinton avoiding these events?
It looks bad and seems very short sighted.
It smacks of hubris.

[Eric J in MN]

22. Hillary Clinton has a huge lead

...and probably figures that participating in these events will give the events more coverage and thereby give her opponents more coverage.

It's the same reason DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz wants few debates and some of them on weekends when fewer people watch. To help Hillary Clinton.

[blackspade]

33. I don't disagree for the most part.

But it could kill her with progressives and liberals, a major part of Democratic constituency.
It just seems very short sighted.

[CoffeeCat]

39. I think she's all ready given up on Progressives/liberals...

Any progressive/liberal in the Democratic party is voting for Bernie. She knows that there is no way to compete with him for liberal support.

She's in total groundhog mode: Stay underground for as long as possible and only poke your head out when it's absolutely necessary. Then, retreat underground after doing what needs to be done.

She's solely relying on the centrist/DLC factions of Democrats in each state.

She really took some hits with her debate performance a couple of weeks ago at Drake University in Des Moines. She's hiding.

Plus, the possible negatives of her stumbling or further eroding her support during the Moveon Forum--totally outweigh the positives of keeping herself hidden behind canned speeches and heavily scripted events.

She's simply trying to hang on to what she has now.

We all saw the recent CBS Battleground poll. She's behind in NH. She has a 6 point Iowa lead; but she had a 10-point lead in Iowa, this time, in 2008. And she came in third in 2008 and was sitting better pillows then-than she is now.

I bet she drank her breakfast this morning.

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31. Can't afford another foot-in-mouth slip

[blackspade]

34. Which one?

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38. Haha....

[stupidicus]

20. well, she can't trouble her pretty little mind with moving on

past the rabble unworthy of her crumbs

[DianeK]

24. how will this affect the democratic debates going forward?

isn't there a clause forbidding the candidates from participating in unsanctioned activities?

[Duval]

30. Was wondering about that.

[blackspade]

36. These are 'forums' not debates.

They are structurally different.

[lark]

25. Can't wait to see these fine gentlemen again.

Hillary is making the same mistake Obama did in dissing the left wing of the party.

[Ferd Berfel]

26. SHe's a coward

period.

Hasn't had time to TRIANGULATE this one I guess.

[Duval]

27. We just did our RSVP!!

Right!! If she does't FEAR us, why is she not going to use this opportunity to answer questions? So, she thinks she has it in the bag?

[Logical]

28. She dislikes real liberal groups. Nt

[Major Hogwash]

32. Her campaign is dead.

No, it's not . . . it's just pining for the fjords!!!

Oh, gawd, here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lazy Daisy]

40. Just RSVP'd

And shared to my FB. Hopefully some FB friends take a look. Lord knows some really need to come up off the RW crap.