Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:12 PM

upaloopa (11,417 posts)

I think all of us think that single payer

health care is a good idea.

So is that all we need to do just agree that it is a good idea?

We elect Bernie and the next thing you know all health care providers set up for single payer. They will be willing to work longer hours for less reimbursement.

Medical clinics will invest in more equipment to cover the increased number of patients though their reimbursement goes to Medicare levels.

Insurance companies will shut their doors and lay everyone off and their investor's stock will go to zero value.

The wealthy will agree to pay higher taxes because they want health care for all.

Colleges will crank out more medical professionals who pay nothing for tuition and books.

Yep vote for Bernie because no problem is so big we can't ignore it.

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13 replies	Author	Time	Post
I think all of us think that single payer (Original post)	upaloopa	Nov 2015	OP
Yep, all that will happen when pigs fly.	leftofcool	Nov 2015	#1
Yes, and this!	MoonRiver	Nov 2015	#2
........	daleanime	Nov 2015	#8
obviously you support our current fucked up system	ibegurpard	Nov 2015	#3
Ask just about any Bernie supporter and they'll tell you,...	daleanime	Nov 2015	#4
More defense of the Status Quo. nt	Romulox	Nov 2015	#5
I suspect that this -	djean111	Nov 2015	#6
why is it better to wish a much higher number of people suddenly unemployed?	treestar	Nov 2015	#10
we can tell them the same thing we've been telling factory workers.	ibegurpard	Nov 2015	#11
they do change	treestar	Nov 2015	#13
Sometimes you have to play the long game.	Broward	Nov 2015	#7
So your view is that we are incapable of doing now what the UK did in the rationed and difficult	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2015	#9
Homer Simpson has it right	neverforget	Nov 2015	#12

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:17 PM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

1. Yep, all that will happen when pigs fly.

Right now, you can rarely find a rural doctor who will even take medicare. They sure as hell won't take a "medicare for all" patient and they damn sure won't upgrade their equipment.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:20 PM

MoonRiver (36,926 posts)

2. Yes, and this!

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:02 PM

daleanime (17,796 posts)

8. ........

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:23 PM

ibegurpard (16,685 posts)

3. obviously you support our current fucked up system

Because the concerns you just listed are not about how to provide affordable healthcare...they are about how to protect the stakeholders in the current system. So no we obviously do not agree.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:24 PM

daleanime (17,796 posts)

4. Ask just about any Bernie supporter and they'll tell you,...

the real work begins after the election. But you hoping to drive a stake though our enthusiasm so that doesn't matter. Have a lovely day anyway.

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Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:24 PM

Romulox (25,960 posts)

5. More defense of the Status Quo. nt

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Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:25 PM

djean111 (14,255 posts)

6. I suspect that this -

Insurance companies will shut their doors and lay everyone off and their investor's stock will go to zero value.

Is really the most important thing to some. Same thing for solar energy - oooh, but the investors in fossil fuels!!!!
Best to keep poisoning the earth and having millions of uninsured, right?

Funny how IT people who lose their jobs to H-1B visa holders (Hillary wants more!!!!) are just told to suck it up, or told they are fucking racists. As if they would have loved to train Germans or whatever for those jobs.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:34 PM

treestar (81,141 posts)

10. why is it better to wish a much higher number of people suddenly unemployed?

that's where the resistance comes from. You have to convince people they are going to still be OK. Can't simply say "insurance companies bad." Everyone who works at one resists. When people think they are protecting their own job, they can rationalize anything.

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Response to treestar (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:38 PM

ibegurpard (16,685 posts)

11. we can tell them the same thing we've been telling factory workers.

Economies change. Retrain with new skills. Change is inevitable. The same shit free-market leeches have been shoving down the throats of working Americans for decades as they push through policy that eliminates jobs.
Except in this case if really is in the interest of the public at large.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:45 PM

treestar (81,141 posts)

13. they do change

there were no IT jobs in the 1930s, not on the scale they exist today. There's not much use in being against new technologies. But then all those who work for banks, insurance companies or "Wall Street" are going to fight against their jobs going too.

Which is why we need a safety net, because a lot of people's skills might not match the economy at any given time.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:32 PM

Broward (1,976 posts)