Can we all agree that using dead civil rights leaders to promote your candidate is kinda sick?

[Cali_Democrat]

How many "MLK would have supported Bernie Sanders" threads do we need?

[reformist2]

1. Killer Mike's *now viral* speech has really got Camp Hillary upset...

All he did was say that Bernie Sanders was carrying on in the tradition of MLK... what's wrong with that!

Nothing.

[DCBob]

5. Viral! That should really help Bernie in the click polls.

[Bubzer]

58. I would say better click polls than paid-to-win polls.

[AgingAmerican]

95. Apparently only a tiny sliver of Hillary supporters know about the internet!

About 10% or so, consistently.

[riversedge]

112. When Sanders pays a polling company to poll his campaign -will you call it a pay to win pollster?

[Bubzer]

135. False equivalence. Bernie doesn't have a history of manipulation and triangulation. hillary does.

There is no "when". Besides, we're talking about paying for manipulated polls...not paying to get polls done. Significant difference.

[Persondem]

14. The "...tradition of MLK..."?????????????????

I guess I just did not know that Bernie was risking his life trying to end segregation, Jim Crow and getting AA the vote. How many time has he marched through .... Birmingham, Selma ... or Wall Street (which would at least make some sense)? How many times has he had fire hoses turned on him? How many boycotts has he organized? And here's the bottom line - what has he accomplished? Dr. King had the CRA and VRA which changed the course of American history. MLK had the ear of presidents, had charisma enough to lead a national movement that brought about real change. Sanders, not so much.

Sanders is good guy doing some worthwhile things but to say he is "carrying on in the tradition of MLK" is pure exaggeration. He is doing so only in the most general of terms - attempting to highlight economic injustice - worthwhile, but nowhere near what MLK did.

[Eric J in MN]

92. Bernie Sanders was arrested in 1963 protesting segregation

...in Chicago public schools.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/why-was-bernie-sanders-cited-and-fined-for-resisting-arrest/

MLK and Bernie Sanders have both praised Sweden as a place where healthcare is a right.

MLK and Bernie Sanders have both spoken of "democratic socialism." MLK said, "maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."

Following in the tradition of someone doesn't mean accomplishing as much as the other person. But Sanders is following in MLK's tradition: giving speeches against racism and income inequality.

[tecelote]

121. Sanders didn't say it. Killer Mike did.

Plus, why wouldn't we all want to carry on in Martin Luther King's tradition?

[beam me up scottie]

128. But Killer Mike didn't have permission from DUers to say that.

What was he thinking?

[Capt. Obvious]

141. DUers plural?

No, just one DUer.

[beam me up scottie]

142. Oops. My bad.

I assumed there must be some sort of committee that needs to approve this sort of thing.

[Capt. Obvious]

147. She finally weighed in

[beam me up scottie]

148. Ah, so Killer Mike better watch his back.

[SMC22307]

200. "...why wouldn't we all want to carry on in Martin Luther King's tradition?"

Good question -- we should. And those in DU's perpetually micro-aggrieved club need to get over it.

[tecelote]

122. +1

Notice how your question was ignored and the subject changed to click polls.

As you said, Martin Luther King had a message we should all carry on.

[SidDithers]

2. Yup...

Well said.

Sid

[MineralMan]

3. Oh, I doubt it.

We can't even agree whether we're all Democrats. So, no, I think.

I agree, though, if that helps.

[Major Hogwash]

4. Sure, if that will make you feel better.

But, the video is already out there, and Skinner doesn't control Facebook or Twitter.

[Gman]

6. Even the right wing insists MLK was a conservative

And would support conservative causes.

There ought to be something like a Godwin's Law for that.

[yardwork]

180. Good point!

[stevenleser]

7. I interviewed IKE's granddaughter on my show and she said the Eisenhower family has a policy of

not trying to guess what their late relatives would have thought of (or wanted to do about) contemporary events.

Although the fact that basically the entire Eisenhower family has become Democrats in the last 15 years or so speaks volumes IMHO.

The point is that you have no idea what an IKE or MLK would have thought about the 2016 Presidential race and its candidates.

I would tend to guess that MLK would have similar thoughts to the majority of the African American community.

[Sheepshank]

10. I would tend to think MLK should have similar thoughts to Rep Lewis nt

[bravenak]

8. Please

[Cha]

97. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!"

It lives on..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847619

[MaggieD]

9. It's pretending he would have endorsed Bernie

... that's kinda sick. IMO.

[Eric J in MN]

44. If someone writes that MLK would have endorsed Hillary Clinton

...will you reply, "That's sick!"?

[Bubzer]

59. Dont hold your breath.

[MaggieD]

63. Yes, it's ridiculous

But frankly I can't imagine A Clinton supporter doing that. I've also not seen anyone compare her to Jesus or the Pope.

Cult of personality is not attractive. I don't understand anyone that worships politicians. Or celebrities for that matter.

[BeanMusical]

78. "Cult of personality is not attractive. I don't understand anyone that worships politicians."

Irony is not dead!

[notadmblnd]

120. That's the real sickness- right there

Just being mean and nasty for the sake of being mean and nasty. Which is the standard a few have chosen to set here at DU this primary cycle.

[Hekate]

88. Link?

[Eric J in MN]

89. No one wrote that MLK would have endorsed Hillary Clinton

...as far as I know.

I was asking a hypothetical question.

[jkbRN]

11. How is it sick?

Please, explain yourself.

[libdem4life]

12. All leaders are used as examples...some dead, some alive. Wierd comment,IMO

[moobu2]

13. It's desperation.

[Ed Suspicious]

15. Yes. This thread smacks of desperation.

[deutsey]

22. +1

[Cha]

98. And, pathetic.. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847619

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. If our movement seeks to carry on the mission of Martin Luther King then we should say so with pride

That way people know where you are coming from and what your goals in life are.

And BTW that means ALL the goals of Martin Luther King, not just a politically correct cherry-picked set of ideas that powerful people are comfortable with.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. How desperate are you?

[MisterP]

18. people don't care enough to play your games any more: we have to work to keep the lights on

[WillyT]

19. A Call Out, Without Being A Call Out... Very Impressive...

IT'S A FUCKING DISCUSSION BOARD !!!

I feel better... you ???

[fbc]

20. I agree

It's one thing when Killer Mike references MLK, but when I saw that "MLK would have supported Bernie Sanders" thread I cringed and did not click.

[m-lekktor]

21. Be sure to send an email to Killer Mike and let him know how kinda sick he is! nt

[Luminous Animal]

24. I already sent him a link to the OP.

[Sheepshank]

61. Maybe after seeing the inappropriateness of reading a dead man's mind

And pressing that legacy towards an association for political gain, He can wander through the rest of DU and see just what kind of supporters Bernie has. That would be awesome.

I think there are some links That could be included that houses some very special tweets....you know the thread that honors the tweeter.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027367805
Or this that describes the poor unfortunate souls of poc
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

[Luminous Animal]

62. Really How does saying "continuing a legacy" read a dead man's mind...

This is the kind of idiocy he's seeing on twitter.

[leftofcool]

106. You mean that guy not even the AA community ever heard of?

No thanks. If your name has the word "killer" in front of it, you are not likely on my email list.

[TM99]

125. Do you seriously believe your own lies that you post?

The AA community has not heard of Killer Mike?

You mean this guy?

Killer Mike is a venerable force. Atlanta's self-described "Pan-Africanist Gangster Rapper, Civic Leader, and Activist" has embarked on a career you could tell your kids about: 12 years of cultural and artistic influence that began with his cohorts in OutKast and propelled through five classic albums, as well as a parallel life as a community leader who's just as regularly called upon by Sharpton's National Action Network as he is by hip-hop radio personalities. With his distinct, gritty-warm tenor and triple-time Southern rap style, he hovers in the top tier of hip-hop artistry, handily linking the day-to-day of the streets with larger sociopolitical issues and the knowledge that they're never separate. He may deploy a lot of adjectives about himself, but most simply, he's a truth-teller.

http://www.alternet.org/story/155338/killer_mike%2C_venerable_rapper_activist%2C_talks_new_album%2C_drug_war%2C_and_maybe_running_for_office/

Yeah, the AA community has not heard of Killer Mike.

[Sheepshank]

143. I have three teens who listen to a lot of music.

They'd never heard of him.

I had been made to feel like a fool here on DU because I'd never heard of him. I had to look him up. Apparently he has designs on running for public office.

Other than my own research, he is NOT what so many here are trying to make him out to be. He is not widely known, his opinions mean very little to me...in fact they mean nothing to me. And yet he is quoted not on several threads as if this rapper dude is the final cherry on the Bernie cake.....err not so much.

[TM99]

145. Just because your sweet children

don't know who he is means literally nothing. What a bubble y'all live in!

Mike has been involved in politics since college almost 20 years ago, and yes, he may run for an office.

You may dismiss him but it is out of your own ignorance not the reality of who he is, what he represents, and who he speaks for.

[Number23]

156. Even the articles written about his endorsement from black people note that he is not well known

The crowd trying to act as though he's the biggest thing in hip hop right now are just showing how clueless they are yet again.

He may blow up and get massive one day. But he's not there yet.

[BainsBane]

23. Particularly given the way Black Lives Matter has been treated

by "progressives."

[polly7]

25. I've seen pictures of many BLM supporters for Bernie Sanders. ? nt.

[Luminous Animal]

27. Ya, but. They are mostly under the age of 28 so they don't count.

Pollsters generally poll for likely voters… That is, those who have voted in the past and those who are registered on the Democratic ticket.

Youth are pouring into Bernie's campaign and must be giving the Clinton campaign a deja vu headache.

[polly7]

28. Wth is the voting age there?

I have nieces and nephews in high school who can't vote yet, but were very interested in our election. They are the future up here - they want real change. I assume they're like young people everywhere.

[Luminous Animal]

32. I'm referring to those who poll voters. Young voters who have never voted before but will

in this election, are rarely polled. Those young voters registered as un-affiliated or independent are rarely polled.

The youth vote who turned up to vote for Obama, took the pollsters off guard… And the Hillary campaign.

[polly7]

33. Oh, sorry. Having a bad day.

I know the voting age is not 28, but just a bit of my own experience with young people here who surprised me also with their interest and real knowledge of the issues and leaders in our election. I sure hope your young people do show up to vote - and shock the pollsters.

[Luminous Animal]

57. No problem. I realize my post wasn't clear. I hope you have a better day tomorrow.

[Luminous Animal]

26. I think you meant to say by "Hillary"… who

has yet to present a racial justice platform. She dismissed activists in Boston. She spoke over them in Atlanta as they were being ushered out.

All of this has not gone unnoticed.

Almost 3 million people have watched Killer Mike's intro to Bernie's rally. 10s of thousands of shares.

Oh, and if you want a window into Hillary "progressives"? Check out Nina Turner's twitter feed after she endorsed Bernie.

People who throw stones...

[BainsBane]

64. No

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By the people who have harassed black activists on social media, who insisted they were a Koch/Soros Clinton conspiracy and insist people of color are uninformed or suffering from Stockholm syndrome for failing to vote as they are told.

No amount of denial will change what thousands experienced. That will be remembered and written about for decades to come. As the saying goes, when people show you who they are, pay attention.

[Luminous Animal]

67. And now the people who are harassing Nina Turner and killer Mike. Both are being told are ignorant

and uninformed. Hell in this forum, Killer Mike is portrayed as "sick".

People pay attention.

[ucrdem]

69. Please show evidence that anyone has harassed Nina Turner or Killer Mike. nt

[Number23]

158. I been waiting for hours for an answer to this. I guess I should stop now

[Cha]

101. Equated 1StrongBlackMan to lee atwater.. CT about Soros .. raging @ #BLM Activists.. it's

all documented. They can deny all they want.

[stevenleser]

111. And I am honored to be targeted by those same folks here

Including the person to whom you are responding.

[BeanMusical]

139. "She dismissed activists in Boston. She spoke over them in Atlanta as they were being ushered out."

And don't forget the 'All Lives Matter!' "gaffe".

[Luminous Animal]

165. And she has not released a racial justice platform and declined the BET forum but apparently,

sitting down at a table with black women over sweet potato pie and coffee supersedes all that… or so I've been told.

[BeanMusical]

186. Yup, that' pathetic.

[oasis]

29. Pending announcement:This is Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

and I approve this message.

[Punkingal]

51. LOL.....

Too funny!!!!

[2pooped2pop]

30. lol as soon as camp Hillary stops with the "It's over, give up, go home" meme

we'll see what we can do.

[Luminous Animal]

31. By the way, your avatar is so incongruous to your politics it is mind boggling.

Do you know the character of Huey at all?

Are you a left-wing radical? Because Huey is.

[bvf]

36. I don't think much consideration went into the selection

beyond, "Hey, look! An African-American cartoon character!"

It could just as easily have been Uncle Ruckus.

[Luminous Animal]

39. It's kind of sick, really.

[Doctor_J]

34. translation - I wish Hillary had been photographed with king instead of

[kath]

86. Bwah! You win the thread.

[Hissyspit]

105. Ding.

[Jamaal510]

35. It is cringe-inducing

whenever I hear people do that for not only their candidates, but for other political figures (*cough* Snowden *cough*). Some of the same people who do that generally steer clear from discussing Black issues, but will conveniently use someone such as MLK or Rosa Parks when pushing an unrelated agenda.

[Number23]

41. You nailed it, Jamaal. And I swear these people think that none of us have noticed

The same clique that wanted BLM tossed in jail or in the garbage is now running around quoting MLK ad nauseum and going out of their way to "speak" for black people despite the fact that we wouldn't want any of these people speaking for white people, let alone us.

I just said something very similar to your post in another thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=846985

[Cha]

103. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847619

[Jamaal510]

153. Regarding that link,

that's interesting because I noticed a similar pattern myself. I don't want to say this too loudly, but whether it's her endorsements, speeches, or policy, everything that has to do with HC either gets ignored or badmouthed here. In contrast, BS's speeches, his (vague) ideas, and his few endorsements receive more praise and treated as a much bigger deal. I agree 100%--it does look weird.

[Number23]

155. And not only that, but anyone that objects to this desperate, dishonest and ghoulish attempt to

claim that MLK would vote for Bernie (or any damn body else) is then told that we are "ignoring his legacy" or "minimizing his contribution." It's so stupid and blatant that it is mind blowing, particularly when you notice that a good number of the people doing the objecting are black or other minorities.

It's crap like this that explains DU's lack of black participants better than anything else.

[Cha]

102. Oh yeah.. they think it's working. they couldn't be more 180 of what's "working".

[JustAnotherGen]

123. You don't come to DU often enough

And when you do - you don't stay long enough!



Adding and when they do discuss black issues - they tend to start with -

But MLK said He can't wait to see The Revenant this Christmas.

I'm using the The Revenant for a reason. He's come back to life.

[Jamaal510]

152. I'm here pretty much everyday

looking at this car wreck; it's just that I do more lurking than posting these days--in part because of the shoddy work by the jury here, but also because I have a few other forums to fulfill my political appetite. Luckily you guys have the patience to stick around and engage the posters who obviously don't know what on Earth they're talking about.

[Kalidurga]

37. Sounds like you have a problem with people talking history

so I will put you down for squashing the legacy of MLK.

[MadLinguist]

38. How about invoking that dead civil right leader named Jesus H.?

[polly7]

40. That's a great point. nt.

[Bobbie Jo]

179. Sure...

And we've seen how RW'ers have twisted, distorted and co-op'ed his legacy.

On second thought, quite an apt comparison.

[Eric J in MN]

42. No. It honors people to discuss their values and who shares them. NT

NT

[Starry Messenger]

43. I'm sure there are still new depths left unplumbed, unfortunately.

[AOR]

66. LOL...

kind of like devout Neoliberal Clinton supporters posing as "leftists" running around DU with Bill Foster and the history of the communist party sig lines. If the depths of that deception get any deeper full implosions into a quantum black hole of reaction are very likely.

But, but, but..."the Supreme Court"...and "pragmatic and realistic communist praxis"...and, and, and, my personal portfolio...

[BeanMusical]

74. Don't worry, the sewer site is on its way to reach the earth's core.

Must be hot down there.

[Starry Messenger]

77. ?

[BeanMusical]

79. You know very well what's going on over there my dear StarryMess.

[Starry Messenger]

80. And I can see quite clearly the hate spewed toward minorities on the rest of the internet

towards the "unbelievers." The poll numbers don't lie, sorry for your side.

[BeanMusical]

83. And I can hear the steam blowing out of your ears.

[Starry Messenger]

84. That isn't what you hear blowing, luv.

The noise is coming from down below, on your end. As it were "BeanMusical."

[BeanMusical]

87. Lol!

[Number23]

159. Good grief, do you have a target on your back or something??

More and more I see you post something completely innocuous and somebody comes all puffed up trying to start a fight before you cuttingly dismiss them without so much as a drop of sweat. It's like some extra special people here seem to believe that you don't have the right to post anymore.

What is going on? Is it because you are a host of AA?

[Starry Messenger]

160. I don't know! Could it be love??

I never get this much attention in real life, lol. Sadly for them, people trying to shut me down just makes me cheery and determined to make them more sad. I work with teenagers, nothing fazes me.

[Number23]

162. " I work with teenagers, nothing fazes me." LOL

Then that makes you EXCEPTIONALLY well suited to participate in this forum. Though working with teens may make you wildly overqualified to deal with the apparent quality of your new and numerous detractors.

[Starry Messenger]

163. Hah!

It's true, this isn't very heavy lifting, after awhile I just get bored! Matching wits with testy 17 year olds at 8:30 am everyday keeps me sharp and bouncy.

[Bobbie Jo]

174. LOL!

Just read this...

Toot!


Happy Thanksgiving, Starry!

[Starry Messenger]

177. :D

Happy Thankgiving, Bobbie Jo!

[Cha]

99. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847619

[Hiraeth]

45. How many "MLK would have supported Bernie Sanders" threads do we need? -

As many as it takes.

[retrowire]

46. lmao seriously?!?! this is some serious reaching. hahaha

Martin Luther King Jr was a socialist BTW...

so yeah... he would have backed Bernie. sorry that hurts feelings around here.

[Buzz Clik]

47. Triangulation.

[YOHABLO]

48. As many threads as it takes. If it bothers you so much, don't read it.

[electricray]

49. Oh, FFS!

No, identifying parallels between a candidate and one or more of the greatest orators, philosophers, and activists in history is not sick. Looking to history as a guide is what any smart primary voter should do. However, looking to minimize an incredible moment in a candidate's campaign simply because you prefer another candidate is sick.

[Bubzer]

50. No. No, we absolutely cannot. Everyone, without exception, should aspire to be like MLK!

I would agree with those that find your op absolutely disgusting, however.

[JDPriestly]

52. MLK would have supported Bernie Sanders just like Bernie Sanders supported MLK at the

March on Washington in 1963.

They are two men who agreed on politics then and would agree on politics today of MLK were still alive.

Feel the Bern!

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. No ... But I think we can agree that twisting the legacy of any civil rights leader ...

to make it appear that that civil rights leader and your candidate were on the same page, even if they were in the same book, is kinda sick.

[Luminous Animal]

55. So, Killer Mike is kind of sick? Lot's of white Hillary supporters have been telling him similar

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today.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killer-mike-says-bernie-sanders-is-like-an-extension-of-drking_5654ac45e4b0879a5b0ca6b3

Yep. Civil rights activist Killer Mike is truly sick.

[1StrongBlackMan]

119. Not getting to the veracity of KM's statement ...

"An extension of" is a different statement from what Bernie fans are saying about Bernie's relationship to Dr. King. For example, single-payer is an extension of the ACA; but, they are not the same this.

[senz]

54. "Dead civil rights leader?" Is that all he is to you?

[Luminous Animal]

56. Apparently, he has no living legacy to any of us. Each movement must be born in a bubble.

[senz]

60. I remember him. He inspired an entire people to insist,

peacefully, on justice. He raised them out of understandable fear and lifted their sights to a better tomorrow for themselves and their children. He opened their eyes to their own beauty and worth as human beings. He transformed the landscape.

MLK does not go out of fashion.

[ucrdem]

65. Is there evidence that Sanders marched with MLK Jr. in August 1963?

I know there are a couple of photos circulating of Sanders at U of Chicago, with some indication that they are actually photos of a Bruce Rappaport, for example the first pic in the collection below, but are there photos of Sanders or Rappaport at the 1963 March on Washington?

"Bernie Sanders, the Early Years": http://www.politico.com/magazine/gallery/2015/07/bernie-sanders-the-early-years/002279-032662.html?ml=po_g#.VlU-AzJurRw

[Luminous Animal]

70. He never said he "marched with King" not once ever. He said he went to the March on Washington.

And, apparently Rappaport shared the same sweater.

[ucrdem]

189. He says it right here:

[Luminous Animal]

190. Really? I'm not a fucking idiot. You posted a still from a video that was NOT produced by

the Bernie campaign.

[ucrdem]

191. Surrogates are part of the campaign. nt

[Luminous Animal]

193. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[ucrdem]

195. There's no plausible deniability here, sorry. nt

[Luminous Animal]

196. So, what you are saying is that Bernie secretly arranged with "African Americans for Bernie" to

spread false information.

Your pretzel has too many twists in it.

[beam me up scottie]

108. Ah, HC supporters and their new birther scandal.

How low will you go?

[ucrdem]

129. Sanders himself says he was "way way back there" in the distance.

He also replaces MLK Jr. with himself in this title image which strikes me as odd:

[beam me up scottie]

130. ZOMG it's BERNGHAZI!!!

Seriously, you guys are pathetic.

I can just imagine what you were saying about Obama during the birther scandal in 2008.

How do we know he was really born in Hawaii? *wink wink*

Questioning whether Bernie lied about being in Washington for MLK's speech is sick and desperate even by DU standards.

[BeanMusical]

132. +1000

And you made me spray my coffee. Lol, BERNGHAZI!

[beam me up scottie]

134. They're becoming unhinged.

Next thing you know they'll be starting rumours about where he was really born.

Why wait for the GOP machine to swift boat Bernie when we can do it right here and now?

[BeanMusical]

137. You're absolutely right.

[beam me up scottie]

138. In another post that person claimed that Bernie said he marched with King:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847798

See what they're doing?

Swift boating.

[BeanMusical]

140. Yes, I saw that.

They sure like to twist the truth or make up shit.

[ucrdem]

170. Claiming that Bernie marched with King is "swift boating"?

Better spread the word.

[beam me up scottie]

175. Implying that he lied about his participation in the movement is swift boating.

Just like implying that Kerry was lying about his service record and Obama about his birthplace/religion was swift boating.

But you're simply asking questions, just like Karl Rove and his operatives did, amirite?

Fox news and Republicans will be following your lead:

Did Bernie really attend the march, did he really protest and was he really arrested in Chicago? *wink wink*

Nice try.

[ucrdem]

176. What participation? And Kerry was not a spectator pretending he served; he DID serve.

Happy TG!

[beam me up scottie]

178. Not playing your game.

You'll be requesting proof of Bernie's arrest warrant next.

Just like Trump wanted a copy of Obama's birth certificate.

[Floyd Steinberg]

133. Just letting you know, U. of Chicago has already debunked the Bruce Rappaport link

Their photo archive indicates that is Bernie in the photo, not Rappaport.

[ucrdem]

136. The archive ID is what's being called into question by alumni:

http://time.com/4108379/bernie-sanders-photo-civil-rights/

[NurseJackie]

68. It's how they roll.

[Luminous Animal]

71. So, Civil rights activist Killer Mike is sick?

Killer Mike Says Bernie Sanders Is Like 'An Extension Of Dr. King'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killer-mike-says-bernie-sanders-is-like-an-extension-of-drking_5654ac45e4b0879a5b0ca6b3

Apparently, that is how you roll.

[ucrdem]

72. He also says he's "pretty conservative"

in the HuffPo interview.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killer-mike-says-bernie-sanders-is-like-an-extension-of-drking_5654ac45e4b0879a5b0ca6b3

[Luminous Animal]

73. Aw. So he is SICK!

[ucrdem]

76. Your words. nt

[SMC22307]

203. As are many AA voters...

especially on the issues of marriage equality and legalization.

[cherokeeprogressive]

75. Who's "we"?

[BeanMusical]

81. That poster probably thought that they were posting in the Clinton Group.

[delrem]

82. No.

The way you frame it is sick, as sick as can be.

I think you guys should give it a rest.
A time to stop and rethink - because you aren't making sense.

If civil rights leaders aren't quotable in a civilized debate between advocates of Democratic Party primary opponents, who is allowed to be named, in your world?

[Hekate]

85. Agreed. Good lord n butter, as Opus would say. nt

[AtomicKitten]

90. What an embarrassing display of surrogate envy.

[NanceGreggs]

91. Given the subject matter ...

... there are a lot of "Weekend at Bernie's" jokes that would work here.

But the truth is that attempting to "speak for the dead" in order to prop up (pun intended) a political candidate is as low (and desperate) as it gets.

[Eric J in MN]

93. Killer Mike didn't speak for the dead.

He said that MLK was a revolutionary who was part of the War on Poverty and for peace.

Then he said that he doesn't want another Margaret Thatcher.

Then he said that Bernie Sanders has been fighting for our rights for 50 years.

There was an implication that MLK and Bernie Sanders share values, but he didn't say MLK would endorse Bernie Sanders.

[NanceGreggs]

154. I'm not talking about Killer Mike ...

... I'm talking about BS supporters here on DU.

[Cha]

100. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847619

[Eric J in MN]

161. I've never written that MLK would endorse a certain candidate

...and I haven't seen any posts at DU that MLK would endorse Bernie Sanders, though I can't read every post here and so maybe they exist.

I have written that Bernie Sanders and MLK have both presented Sweden as a good model for the US.

[AgingAmerican]

94. No, it isn't

MLK was a Democratic Socialist, not a 'Moderate' whatever the hell that is.

So her supporters are jealous, thus OPs like this one.

[Cha]

96. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!"

http://hueyfreemanonlyspeaksthetruth.tumblr.com/post/73900745808/you-dont-get-to-use-martin-luther-king-jr-as

bravenak~http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=843729

Aaron McGruder/Huey Freeman

[Hissyspit]

104. Not really, no.

[Tortmaster]

107. Seven days after Dylan Roof ...

... massacred nine Blacks in a church in Charleston, South Carolina, Senator Sanders told NPR, about gun control, "I think that urban America has got to respect what rural America is about."

I can't picture Martin Luther King, Jr. saying something like that.

[beam me up scottie]

109. Obama talked about guns after Sandy Hook:

"I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations and I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake."

His comments come in the wake of the shootings last month in Newtown, Conn. The killing of 20 children in the town has spurred gun-control advocates to seek restriction on the ownership of certain firearms such as military-style assault rifles.

"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that.

"So it's trying to bridge those gaps that I think is going to be part of the biggest task over the next several months. And that means that advocates of gun control have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/27/170393072/gun-control-advocates-should-listen-more-obama-says

And this is what Bernie said about the Charleston massacre:

Nice try.

[Tortmaster]

113. Context matters.

You miss that, you miss a lot.

[beam me up scottie]

114. Both discussed the difference between rural and urban gun use after tragedies.

In the context of addressing gun control.

What context are you referring to?

[Tortmaster]

115. Senator Sanders made his remarks the day ...

... after the last Charleston victim was laid to rest.

Moreover, everybody knows what's in the heart of President Obama, who has been very tough on guns, and who once said, "So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns...."

Compare that to Senator Sanders who claimed he was "pro-gun," voted against some form of the Brady Bill 5 times--once shortly after the Luby's Cafeteria massacre--voted to shield gun manufacturers and dealers from liability, voted to allow guns checked onto Amtrak trains and into our National Parks.

Context matters.

[beam me up scottie]

116. He was asked about gun control - which he has always supported.

And Obama made his remarks the month immediately following Sandy Hook.

I know the "Bernie's a racist gun nut" meme is popular among Hillary supporters but give it a rest.

No one is buying what y'all are selling. If you cared about the gun problem you'd go after the pro-NRA Republicans since Bernie Sanders is firmly in the pro-gun control camp and has been for quite some time.

Obvious poster is obvious.

[Tortmaster]

164. You are right. The Republicans, each and every one of them, are worse than Senator ...

... Sanders, but he's still a "state's rights" gun person, and that is way too conservative. Moreover, as noted above, he doesn't have the empathy and the grace to address delicate situations. President Obama, and none of the Republicans, has that.

[beam me up scottie]

166. He has more empathy and grace than your candidate:

Who was also a "states rights" person:

For those who are lazy, 2008 Hillary ran to the Right of Obama on gun control. She backed off a national gun registry (which she had previously supported) and ran on local and state control over guns rather than a federal approach. Here are some quotes of Hillary. If we changed New York to Vermont, the Hillary people would use it against Bernie not realizing their own candidate had these positions. These are from the 2008 Philly debate.

Q: Both you and Sen. Obama, in the past, have supported strong gun control measures. But now when I listen to you on the campaign, I hear you emphasizing that you believe in an individual’s right to bear arms. Both of you were strong advocates for licensing of guns. Both of you were strong advocates for the registration of guns. Why don’t you emphasize that now?

CLINTON: I respect the Second Amendment. I respect the rights of lawful gun owners to own guns, to use their guns, but I also believe that most lawful gun owners whom I have spoken with for many years across our country also want to be sure that we keep those guns out of the wrong hands. And as president, I will work to try to bridge this divide, which I think has been polarizing and, frankly, doesn’t reflect the common sense of the American people. We will strike the right balance to protect the constitutional right but to give people the feeling & the reality that they will be protected from guns in the wrong hands.

Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm

[Tortmaster]

168. The jig's up.

Millions of people have been introduced to Senator Sanders, and they like him, but not that way. Hey, we can still be friends and all that, but it's me, not him. Take care, and I'll always remember our time together.

He has been in a very bright spotlight and came across as not presidential material, lacking in tact and grace. That doesn't mean he isn't (and can't still be) a great Senator. It just means that people have made up their minds, then moved on, and part of that equation was how the Senator from Vermont has conducted himself on the national stage.

As for the gun issue, it is sad that while there was a supposed horse race in the primary, people made gun control a horse-race issue. Democrats need to begin to regroup and coalesce around limiting handguns and assault weapons, and Senator Sanders has made that harder. Secretary Clinton, on the other hand, told millions of people on live television that one of her biggest enemies is the NRA.

[beam me up scottie]

173. Since when has Bernie's pro-gun control stance made gun control harder?

He has repeatedly voted for background checks and assault weapons bans.

Your candidate talks a good game each time she runs for election but her stance changes like the wind. This time around she's claiming the NRA is her enemy and while that sounds fierce she pandered to gun owners in 2008 leading Obama to nickname her 'Annie Oakley'.

If she secures the nomination she'll pander to the God, guns and glory crowd again, it's what she does.

[Kentonio]

181. For 'tact and grace' please read 'Isn't all shiny and media polished like we expect'

As for the people making up their minds, last I checked not one damn vote has been cast yet.

As for the gun issue, if you cared about it as a genuine issue instead of just a partisan talking point, you'd be looking for a compromise solution that actually helps save lives, instead of these stupid purity tests. The idea that Clinton calling the NRA her 'enemy' means she's more likely to get action nationally than a guy willing to find a middle ground compromise is just ridiculous. In case you've been asleep for the last 10 years, hyper partisanship on guns has achieved exactly nothing.

[Tortmaster]

187. I disagree.

Hyper-partisanship on guns has been monumentally successful. That's how the NRA got so many Senate and House votes against the various Brady Bills, immunized the entire gun industry from civil lawsuit, scared off the CDC from reporting on gun violence, got guns onto Amtrak trains, made sure that guns were allowed in National Parks, and repealed the assault weapons ban.

Senator Sanders voted for all of that (against a form of the Brady Bill 5 times!) except for the repeal of the assault weapons ban.

So, as you can see, hyper-partisanship has been monumentally successful. We need to start doing it. Secretary Clinton is!

[Kentonio]

188. Oh please

I'd love all guns to disappear tomorrow, but if you're going to make selling something legal, then allowing people to sue the manufacturers of that product if its then used illegally is just ridiculous. Or should we allow people to sue Ford now if someone deliberately drives over someone in one of their cars?

[Betty Karlson]

110. Ideally: none.

But ever since the "Sanders and his supporters are racists" smear meme was started, some kilobites had to be used to correct the record. Of course, you could ask team Clinton and her Citizens United obsessed superpacs to stop acting desperately. But I won't be holding my breath until THAT happens.

[SunSeeker]

117. Aw, come on, MLK would have loved Bernie's Brady Bill votes.

[Hortensis]

118. No, I don't think it's "kinda sick."

Sure it is tedious, but so are empty attacks like this one.

[JustAnotherGen]

124. I agree n/t

[aikoaiko]

126. It's not sick. It's inconvenient for Bernie haters.

And your OP proves it.

[BootinUp]

127. Sick or desperate?

I propose both are possible explanations.

[treestar]

131. It shows how far back Bernie has to go

to claim something on the rights of African Americans.

[Eric J in MN]

150. Bernie Sanders has been supporting Civil Rights since 1963.

His first trip to DC was to march with MLK in 1963.

That same year, Bernie Sanders was arrested in Chicago while protesting against segregation in Chicago public schools.

[lunamagica]

144. It's pathetic and desperate. eom

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

146. No. I don't agree.

[NowSam]

151. I had never heard of Killer Mike before but his speech moved me to tears.

I seriously got choked up. I think it may have been a game changing moment in this campaign. We shall see. In answer to the question: No. I don't think it is at all sick to suggest that my candidate's views on governing and human rights and service to the people of the world has very very much in common with an immortal figure from history, albeit a dead one. MLK's words live on. His message lives through men like Bernie. So I think it is a mistake to condemn the parallels. Thanks for the provocative conversation.

[Mnpaul]

167. That speech was great

attempting to divert attention from what he said in that interview with this garbage is sick. He talks about getting more people involved in elections. He talks about social and economic issues being intertwined. I think this crap does Killer Mike a great disservice. The content of his interview should be the focus.

[NowSam]

169. The truth spoken is very inconvenient and troubling for some

I agree with you. The truth spoken now by we the people is becoming more than an embarrassment for those who do not speak the same. I expect this campaign to get very nasty but truth will shine bright.

[99Forever]

157. Not just no...

....hell no.

Just because YOU can't counter the truth, doesn't mean you get to censor it.

[Bread and Circus]

171. Yeah Clinton should be ashamed of herself...right?

Around the same time, Hillary Clinton discussed Martin Luther King, Jr. and PresidentLyndon Johnson in an interview for Fox News. She stated that, "I would point to the fact that that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the President before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became a real in people's lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished."[124] Some African-American leaders took this statement as a denigration of the accomplishments of King and the largerAmerican civil rights movement.[123] Hillary Clinton blamed Obama for the controversy, claiming his campaign had fanned the flames, a charge which Obama dismissed as "ludicrous".[123] Shortly before, and during, a January 15 Democratic debate in Nevada, Clinton and Obama declared a truce on the matter, with both making reconciliatory statements about race, gender, and each other.[125] However, there was concern that Clinton's support among some African Americans may have been damaged,[125] with SUNY Albany's Debra Dickerson stating "The Clintons have to do something dramatic and symbolic to win back the trust of many African-Americans."[125]...

(From wiki)

[ucrdem]

172. Heads up: Sanders apparently did NOT march with MLK Jr. in 1963, or ever.

It turns out that the carefully expressed claim is that he "attended" (Facebook) or "participated in" (NPR) the 1963 March on Washington, or "was in the crowd on the Mall" (Sanders.sentate.gov), meaning that he was somewhere out there in the unverifiable distance:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/martin-luther-king-jr

But suggesting that Sanders says he marched with King is apparently "swift boating" per post 138 of this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251846817#post138


ps Happy Thanksgiving to all!

[Luminous Animal]

194. He never claimed he did. Continuing to suggest that Sanders SAID HE DID, is one big giant fat lie.

Thus, swift boating. Sowing seeds of distrust.

You are not very good at it.

[ucrdem]

197. Read it again. nt

[Ken Burch]

182. Did anybody else first read that as "using UNDEAD civil rights leaders"?

That WOULD be sick...and rather terrifying...

[Ken Burch]

183. It shouldn't happen, but if you want it to stop, it needs to be admitted

that the "Bernie doesn't care about racism" meme is bullshit and should be put to rest, once and for all.

If your candidate is really all you say she is, you don't need to make false insinuations about the other major candidate to win.

All Bernie was guilty of(and yes, this was a mistake, one he should never have made)was not putting the issue in his first stump speeches or on the initial version of his program on his campaign website.

[Autumn]

184. Can we all agree that using MLK to slam your allies is kinda sick?

The bullshit that Bernie, progressives and all democrats except Hillary are racist and don't care about blacks is just that.Bullshit. A heaping crock of trollish bullshit. How many more of these OMFG I'm offended about people agreeing with MLK and saying he would support politicians who support income equality, civil right and social justice do we need?

[Vinca]

185. Hmmm . . . I kind of remember a certain person telling the world she talked to

Eleanor Roosevelt every so often. DEAD Eleanor Roosevelt.

[AgingAmerican]

192. Hillary supporters are fleeing MLKs legacy

Like Superman fleeing kryptonite.

[ucrdem]

198. Hillary supporters aren't making these claims.

[AgingAmerican]

199. Hillary supporters are flummoxed by MLKs legacy

Sanders supporters embrace it. Do the math.

[senz]

201. Please forgive us for discussing Bernie's deep and long-held passion for racial justice

since it so clearly offends you.

[enid602]

202. MLK, Mandela, Gandhi, JFK, FDR, the list goes on. . .

The real question is, if Bernie Sanders was still alive . . . .

[Cha]

204. They have no idea who MLK would have supported and from what I've read.. it's offensive

to a lot of African Americas who don't like them using MLK as their " imaginary Black yes man: as Aaron McGruder the creator of Huey Freeman says..

"You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=28030

[Dr. Strange]

205. Absolutely!

[Autumn]

206. I'm glad Bernie is recuperating. Had he mentioned her name

we would never have heard the end of it.

[CharlotteVale]

207. Oops. There goes that meme.

[Autumn]

208. Another one bites the dust

[WillyT]

209. LOL !!! - I See What You Did There !!!

[Bonobo]

211. Bwa ha ha! nt

[Segami]

212. Bwhahaha....

[jfern]

210. Now that Hillary added it to her logo, those who recced this thread no longer agree

Well, they agree that a black supporter of Bernie shouldn't mention MLK, but that Hillary can use famous black people however she wants.

[Cheese Sandwich]

215. Selective outrage for some

[Number23]

213. I'm happy to K&R again. Because apparently a small band of people somehow completely missed

where you called out this behavior in the Rosa Parks thread. I guess way too busy high fiving themselves for... something.

[Cali_Democrat]

214. Yep.

I called out both sides for doing it.... I was one of the first DUers to call out the Hillary campaign for using the image of Rosa Parks today.

But apparently they think they got me!