It's pretty hilarious/sad to see Bernie fans hypothesize about who MLK would support.

[JaneyVee]

Let the man rest in peace. Meanwhile, Hillary has been endorsed by MLK wingman/pioneer and civil rights icon Rep.John Lewis, civil rights icon Gloria Steinem, civil rights icon Dolores Huerta, and civil rights icon Jim Obergefell.

Have a wonderful day.

[Thinkingabout]

1. K & R

I rather doubt MLK would have praised Sanders in NN and Seattle when approached by BLM nor do I think MLK would have praised the supporters saying TAZ them, arrest them in Seattle. It was not moments of praise.

[notadmblnd]

252. I think you're mis-remembering

I saw Senator Sanders cede the podium to BLM. I saw Senator Sanders bow his head when a moment of silence was called for by BLM.

I also think that you can no more blame Senator Sanders for some of his (alleged) supporters behavior any more than I could hold you responsible for your next door neighbors behavior.

I'm certain the video of that day is still posted here, perhaps you might consider giving it another view?

As long as we're all guessing what MLK would do- I also don't think MLK would praise BLM for their behavior that day.

[Thinkingabout]

254. We have a very different interruption, I did not mis-remember, not only did I not

mis-remember but many others remembered as I did.

[notadmblnd]

256. As I said, you might want to view the Seattle video again.

nt

[Floyd Steinberg]

2. Reality is, if MLK was alive today, he would be endorsing his fellow Democratic socialist.

[wolfie001]

11. Welcome Floyd!

But that's your reality.

[NorthCarolina]

13. Sometimes common sense = reality though. eom

[Plucketeer]

128. So, you're contention is....

MLK would rather support a candidate backed by the big money interests (interests who have screwed the disenfranchised for decades) - a candidate who through their crystal ball can see that $12 bucks an hour will be a fine wage in 2020 - rather than a candidate who recognizes the disparity of income and education and health care, etc., that plagues this nation as it plunges headlong into the ditch? Wait! Which MLK are you thinking of???

[TIME TO PANIC]

83. No doubt about it.

[MaggieD]

118. MLK was not a Democratic Socialist

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/28/2540251/martin-luther-king-republican/

And he never endorsed any politician in his lifetime.

[Mnpaul]

236. You can be a Democratic Socialist without endorsing politicians

May 1965 speech to the Negro American Labor Council:

“There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. Call it what you may, call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God's children."

Frogmore S.C., in November 1966:

You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry.... Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong... with capitalism.... There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism"

[tecelote]

133. Absolutely.

From the OP:
"Let the man rest in peace."

NEVER FORGET MLK!

His words shall live on forever!

Plus, if you want to talk about PEACE, don't vote for the Hawk willing to kill children and call them Collateral Damage.

[1StrongBlackMan]

146. That may be the case ... If Dr. King went back on his "No Endorsement of politicians" stance ...

he maintained throughout his time on this Earth.

However, I DO think he would have been sympathetic to, if not supportive of, Bernie.

[lovemydog]

164. Yes. He did not endorse politicians.

He worked with people supportive of his cause. From all walks of life.

I'm glad there's others who understand his history.

Happy Thanksgiving to you & your loved ones.

[SidDithers]

3. Bernie has so few endorsements from living, breathing people...

it's really no surprise that his supporters need to try to claim some dead ones for him.

It's kinda like how Mormons "baptize" people as LDS after they've died.

Sid

[Sheepshank]

62. being baptized after one is dead is so........contrary to freedom of choice

Attempting to promote MLK as a Bernie supporter does the very same thing...removes all freedom of choice. That is a pretty despicable thing to do to the legacy of the dead person and the legacy, privacy and memories of the family.

[bravenak]

92. Damn.

[KittyWampus]

98. I honestly did LOL

thank heavens I had no tea in my mouth

[Bubzer]

103. So few endorsements? Odd. I see more than a few.

State Governors

Former

Jesse Ventura, 38th Governor of Minnesota (1999-2003) for the Reform Party[138]

U.S. Representatives

Current

Keith Ellison, MN[139]
Raúl Grijalva, AZ[140]

State executive officials

Current

Doug Hoffer, Vermont Auditor of Accounts[141]

Former

Dudley Dudley, New Hampshire Executive Council member (1977–85)[142]
Jim Hightower, Texas Agriculture Commissioner (1983–91)[143]
John Shea, New Hampshire Executive Council member (2006-10)[144]

State legislators

Current

Terry Alexander, SC Rep[145]
Tim Ashe, VT Sen. (VPP)[146]
Jane Beaulieu, NH Rep.[144]
Travis Bennett, NH Rep.[144]
Steven Berry, VT Rep.[147]
Peter Bixby, NH Rep.[144]
Mollie Burke, VT Rep. (VPP)[148]
Wayne Burton, NH Rep.[144]
Karen Clark, MN Rep.[149]
Robin Chestnut-Tangerman, VT Rep. (VPP)[148]
Renny Cushing, NH Rep.[144]
Susan Davis, VT Rep. (VPP)[148]
Gail Finney, KS Rep.[150]
William Frank, VT Rep.[147]
Patsy French, VT Rep.[147]
Diana Gonzalez, VT Rep. (VPP)[148]
Wendell Gilliard SC Rep.[151]
Sandy Haas, VT Rep. (VPP)[148]
Helen Head, VT Rep.[147]
Geoffrey Hirsch, NH Rep.[144]
Mary S. Hooper, VT Rep.[147]
Marty Jack, NH Rep.[144]
Troy Jackson, ME Sen.[152]
Pramila Jayapal, WA Sen.[153]
Warren Kitzmiller, VT Rep.[147]
Patrick Long, NH Rep.[144]
Linda Martin, VT Rep.[147]
James McCullough, VT Rep.[147]
Richard McNamara, NH Rep.[144]
Juan Mendez, AZ Rep.[154]
Marcia Moody, NH Rep.[144]
Luis Moscoso, WA Rep.[153]
Jean O'Sullivan, VT Rep.[147]
Lee Oxenham, NH Rep.[144]
Avram Patt, VT Rep.[147]
Chris Pearson, VT Rep. (VPP)[155]
Anthony Pollina, VT Sen. (VPP)[148]
Russell Ruderman, HI Sen.[156]
Marjorie Ryerson, VT Rep.[147]
Andy Schmidt, NH Rep.[144]
David Sharpe, VT Rep.[147]
Tick Segerblom, NV Sen.[157]
Gilman Shattuck, NH Rep.[144]
Amy Sheldon, VT Rep.[148]
Timothy Smith, NH Rep.[158]
Thomas Stevens, VT Rep.[147]
Mary Sullivan, VT Rep.[147]
George Sykes, NH Rep.[144]
Robert Theberge, NH Rep.[144]
Maida Townsend, VT Rep.[147]
Joseph "Chip" Troiano, VT Rep.[147]
Andy White, NH Rep.[144]
Robert Q. Williams, SC Rep.[151]
Mark Woodward, VT Rep.[147]
Michael Yantachka, VT Rep.[147]
Teo Žagar, VT Rep.[147]
Will Guzzardi, IL Rep.[159]
David Zuckerman, VT Sen. (VPP)[148]

Former

Mo Baxley, NH Rep. (2007-8)[144]
Daryl Beall, IA Sen. (2003-14)[160]
Burt Cohen, NH Sen. (1990-2004)[161]
Amanda Curtis, MT Rep. (2013-5)[162]
Matt Dunne, VT Sen. (2002-6)[163]
Eileen Ehlers, NH Rep. (2007-8)[144]
Tom Fiegen, IA Rep. (2000-3)[164]
Sylvia Gale, NH Rep. (2012-14)[144]
Tom Hayden, CA Sen. (1992-2000)[165]
Bob Perry, NH Rep. (2011-14)[144]
Nina Turner, OH Sen. (2008-14)[166]
Tom Turnipseed, SC Sen. (1976-80)[151]
Brian Wazlaw, NH Rep. (2012-14)[144]
Chuck Weed, NH Rep. (2000-14)[144]

Mayors

Current

Daryl Justin Finizio, Mayor of New London, Connecticut[167]

Former

Rocky Anderson, 33rd Mayor of Salt Lake City (2000-8); founder of the American Justice Party[168]
Municipal officials
Jesus "Chuy" Garcia, Cook County, IL commissioner[169]
Kshama Sawant, Seattle city councilor[170]

DNC Members

Current

Richard Cassidy, VT[171]
Larry Cohen, DC/CWA[172]
Chad Nodland, ND[173]

Former

Bill Press, former CA Dem. Party Chair[174]
International political figuresSevim Dağdelen, member of the German Parliament for The Left[175]
Uffe Elbæk, member of the Danish Parliament and leader of The Alternative[176]
Colin Fox, former member of the Scottish Parliament and co-spokesperson of the Scottish Socialist Party[177]
Niema Movassat, member of the German Parliament for The Left[178]
Jonas Sjöstedt, member of the Swedish Parliament and leader of the Left Party[179]

Notable Individuals

Activists and humanitarians

Patch Adams, physician, comedian, social activist, clown and author[180]
Jodie Evans, co-founder of CODEPINK[43]
Bill McKibben, founder of climate change group 350.org[181]
David McReynolds, former Socialist Party USA presidential nominee and former chair of the War Resisters League[182]
Stanley Sheinbaum, peace and human rights activist[183]
Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU Project and the Free Software Foundation[184]
Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food[185]
Rand Wilson, labor activist[186]

Political commentators and journalists

Dan Carlin, historian, journalist, and host of Common Sense and Hardcore History[187]
Liza Featherstone, journalist and author[186]
John Fugelsang, comedian, actor, and host of Tell Me Everything[188]
Thom Hartmann, host of The Thom Hartmann Program and The Big Picture with Thom Hartmann[174]
Doug Henwood, journalist and editor of Left Business Observer[186]
John Iadarola, creator of ThinkTank[189]
Zaid Jilani, blogger[190]
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., environmentalist and co-host of Ring of Fire[191]
Bill Maher, host of Real Time with Bill Maher[192][193]
Mike Malloy, host of The Mike Malloy Show[174]
Bill Moyers, journalist and former White House Press Secretary[194]
John Nichols, journalist[195]
David Pakman, host of The David Pakman Show[196]
Mike Papantonio, attorney and co-host of Ring of Fire[191]
Ron Reagan, journalist, former host of The Ron Reagan Show and Connected: Coast to Coast, and son of Ronald Reagan[197]
Sam Seder, comedian, actor, and co-host of Ring of Fire[191]
David Shuster, journalist[198]
Ed Schultz, former host of The Ed Show and The Ed Schultz Show[199]
Matt Taibbi, journalist[200]
Jonathan Tasini, strategist, organizer, activist, and writer[201]
Cenk Uygur, activist and co-founder of The Young Turks[202]

Leaders in business

Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben & Jerry's[203][204]
Kim Dotcom, entrepreneur, businessman, political activist.[205]
Jerry Greenfield, co-founder of Ben & Jerry's[203][204]
Bhaskar Sunkara, founder of Jacobin magazine[206]
Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple Inc.[207]

Scholars and critics

Dean Baker, macroeconomist and co-founder of Center for Economic and Policy Research[208][209]
Wendy Brown, political scientist, author, and activist[186]
Noam Chomsky, linguist, philosopher, activist[210]
Anthony Fantano, music blogger/vlogger behind The Needle Drop[211]
Leon Fink, historian[186]
Nancy Fraser, critical theorist and author[186]
Jeffrey Guterman, psychologist[212]
Steven Hahn, social and political historian[186]
Gerald S. Handel, sociologist[186]
Michael Hardt, philosopher and literary theorist[186]
Carl Hart, psychologist[186]
James M. Jasper, sociologist[186]
Barbara Katz Rothman, sociologist[186]
David Korten, business scholar[213]
Robert W. McChesney, media scholar[186]
Walter Benn Michaels, literary theorist[186]
Ruth Milkman, sociologist[186]
Anne Norton, political scientist[186]
Frances Fox Piven, sociologist and activist[186]
Adolph L. Reed, Jr., political scientist and activist[214]
Joel Selvin, music critic[180]
Sylvie Simmons, rock historian[180]
Rogers Smith, political scientist and author[186]
Lester Spence, political scientist and social commentator[186]
Cornel West, philosopher and activist[215]
Jeffrey A. Winters, political scientist[186]

Writers, filmmakers, and visual artists

Daniel Kellison, television and film producer[216]
Brad Neely, comic book artist and television writer[217]
Annabel Park, documentary filmmaker and activist[206]
Anne Rice, novelist[218]

Celebrities

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, NBA Hall of Fame inductee and author[219]
Brian Baker, former guitarist for Bad Religion and Minor Threat[180]
Chris Ballew, lead singer of The Presidents of the United States of America [180]
Lou Barlow, musician and songwriter for Dinosaur Jr. and Sebadoh[180]
Roseanne Barr, actress, comedienne, producer, and writer[220]
Justin Bartha, actor[180]
Bhi Bhiman, singer-songwriter[180]
Jello Biafra, former singer for the Dead Kennedys[180]
Big Boi, rapper, songwriter, and member of Outkast[221]
Stephen Bishop, actor[180]
Elvin Bishop, blues and rock musician[180]
Cedric Bixler-Zavala, musician[222]
Lewis Black, comedian[223]
Billy Bragg, musician[224]
Madeline Brewer, actress[225]
Nicholas Britell, composer, pianist, and film producer[180]
Mehcad Brooks, actor[180]
Jackson Browne, singer-songwriter[180]
Belinda Carlisle, lead singer of the The Go-Go's[226]
Julian Casablancas, singer-songwriter and lead singer of The Strokes[227]
Tommy Castro, singer-songwriter and musician[180]
Reg E. Cathey, actor[228]
Matthew Caws, lead of Nada Surf, songwriter, and guitarist[180]
Margaret Cho, comedienne and actress[229]
Tommy Chong, comedian, actor, and activist[230]
Daniel Craig, actor[231]
Marshall Crenshaw, singer-songwriter and musician[180]
David Crosby, singer-songwriter and musician[232]
John Cusack, actor[233]
Bob D'Amico, drummer for The Fiery Furnaces and Sebadoh[180]
John Densmore, drummer of the The Doors, writer, and actor[180]
Danny DeVito, actor, producer, and director[180]
Ani DiFranco, singer, guitarist, poet and songwriter[234]
Diplo, DJ, songwriter, and producer[235]
Jimmy Dore, comedian and host of The Jimmy Dore Show'[236]
Greg Dulli, singer for Afghan Whigs[180]
Eliza Dushku, actress[237]
Steve Earle, rock, singer-songwriter, record producer, author and actor[180]
Alex Ebert, Ima Robot and Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros lead singer[238]
EL-P, musician, entrepreneur, and half of Run the Jewels[239]
Ron English, artist[180]
Alejandro Escovedo, singer-songwriter[180]
Mia Farrow, actress, activist, and former fashion model[240]
Will Ferrell, actor and comedian[241]
Frances Fisher, actress[242]
Jon Fishman, drummer and co-founder of Phish[243]
Jon Fitch, mixed martial artist[244]
Flea, bassist for the Red Hot Chili Peppers[245]
Ben Foster, actor[180]
Jon Foster, actor and musician[180]
Mark Foster, musician and lead singer for Foster the People[246]
Bill Frisell, guitarist and composer[180]
Nicholas Gonzalez, actor[180]
Mike Gordon, bass-guitar and vocals for Phish[180]
Billy Gould, producer and bassist for Faith No More.[180]
Deidre Hall, actress and activist[165]
Halsey, singer/songwriter and recording artist[247]
Daryl Hannah, actress and activist [248]
Maureen Herman, writer and bass player for Babes in Toyland[180]
Brendan Hines, actor and musician[180]
David Holden, screenwriter[180]
Mimi Kennedy, actress and activist[165]
Anthony Kiedis, singer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers[180]
Laura Kightlinger, actress, comedienne, and writer[236]
Killer Mike, activist, musician, and half of Run the Jewels[249]
Nate Kinsella, musician, member of Joan of Arc and Make Believe[180]
Tim Kinsella, musician, member of Joan of Arc, Owls, and Make Believe[180]
Josh Klinghoffer, guitarist for the Red Hot Chili Peppers[180]
David Koechner, character actor and comedian[180]
Wayne Kramer, guitarist for the MC5[180]
Zoe Kravitz, actress, singer, and model[180]
Rachelle Lefevre, actress and activist [250]
Donovan Leitch, actor[180]
Juliette Lewis, actress and singer[180]
Lil B, rapper and producer[251]
Jason Loewenstein, singer-songwriter and musician for The Fiery Furnaces and Sebadoh[180]
Justin Long, actor[252]
Seth MacFarlane, creator of Family Guy, American Dad!, and The Cleveland Show.[253][254]
Jesse Malin, singer-songwriter and musician [180]
Sal Masekela, actor, singer, and television personality[180]
Dave Matthews, singer-songwriter and guitarist for Dave Matthews Band[255]
Holt McCallany, actor, writer, and producer[180]
Adam McKay, screenwriter, director, comedian, and actor[180]
Justin Meldal-Johnsen, musician and songwriter[180]
Breckin Meyer, actor and musician[180]
Alyssa Milano, actress, singer, and producer[256]
Ezra Miller, actor[180]
D.W. Moffett, actor[180]
Thurston Moore, singer and guitarist for Sonic Youth[180]
Viggo Mortensen, actor, writer, poet, artist, and musician[257]
Charlie Musselwhite, musician and bandleader[180]
Graham Nash, singer-songwriter and musician[180]
Meshell Ndegeocello, singer-songwriter, musician, and rapper[180]
Willie Nelson, singer-songwriter and activist[258]
Will Noon, former drummer for Straylight Run[180]
Tyler Oakley, media personality, humorist, and author[259]
Patton Oswalt, comedian, writer, and actor[180]
Holly Palmer, singer-songwriter[180]
Oren Peli, director, producer, and screenwriter[180]
Jeremy Piven, actor and producer[180]
Shira Piven, actress, producer, and movie director[180]
Joel Rafael, singer-songwriter and folk musician[180]
Bonnie Raitt, singer-songwriter, musician, and activist[180]
Nikki Reed, actress, screenwriter, and singer-songwriter[180]
John C. Reilly, actor, singer, and writer[180]
Carl Reiner, actor, director, producer, and writer[260]
Duke Robillard, musician[180]
Joe Rogan, stand-up comedian and actor[261]
Henry Rollins, musician, writer, actor, and activist[138]
Ronda Rousey, UFC champion fighter[262]
Mark Ruffalo, actor, director, producer, and screenwriter[263]
Matthew Ryan, singer-songwriter and musician[264]
Jonathan Sadowski, actor[180]
Gabe Saporta, lead singer of Cobra Starship[265]
Susan Sarandon, actress and activist[266]
Scarface, rapper, music producer, and author[180]
Chris Schlarb, musician, composer, and producer[180]
Walter Schreifels, musician and producer[180]
Reid Scott, actor[180]
Peggy Seeger, singer and musician[267]
Chris Shiflett, guitarist for Foo Fighters, No Use for a Name, and Me First and the Gimme Gimmes[180]
Corky Siegel, musician, singer-songwriter, and composer[180]
Wanderlei Silva, retired UFC fighter and former Pride FC champion.[268]
Sarah Silverman, stand-up comedian, writer, producer, and actress[269]
Chad Smith, drummer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers[180]
Jill Sobule, musician[180]
Sam Sparro, singer-songwriter and producer[180]
Spose, rapper and producer [270]
Cole Sprouse, actor [271]
Serj Tankian, singer for System of a Down[180]
Donnette Thayer, singer-songwriter and guitarist for Game Theory and Hex[272]
Tennessee Thomas, musician and actress[273]
Jeff Tweedy, songwriter, musician, producer, and lead singer for Wilco[180]
Dick Van Dyke, actor, comedian, and producer[274]
Milana Vayntrub, actress, comedienne, writer, and producer[275]
Loudon Wainwright III, singer-songwriter and actor[180]
Roger Waters, musician and co-founder of Pink Floyd[276]
Mike Watt, musician and co-founder of Minutemen, Dos, and Firehose[180]
Dusty Watson, drummer, most notably for The Sonics[180]
George Wendt, actor[180]
Wil Wheaton, actor and writer[277]
Lucinda Williams, singer-songwriter[278]
Saul Williams, rapper, actor, and activist[279]
Lizz Winstead, comedienne and media personality[280]
Yoni Wolf, musician and co-founder of Anticon[180]
Yung Skeeter, DJ and producer[180]
Neil Young, singer-songwriter and musician[281]
Hans Zimmer, composer and producer[180]
Z-Trip, DJ and producer[180]
Buckwheat Zydeco, musician[282]
Newspapers and other mediaAddison County Independent, Middlebury, Vermont-based newspaper[283]
Ring of Fire, radio program[191]

Labor Organizations

National

APWU - American Postal Workers Union, representing 250,000[284][285]
NNU - National Nurses United, representing 185,000[286]
NUHW - National Union of Healthcare Workers, representing 11,000[287]
UE - United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, representing 35,900[288]

State, Regional, and Local divisions

AFL-CIO - American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations: VT, SC[289][290]
IAIW - International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers: Local 7 (MA)[291]
IBEW - International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers: Locals 2222, 2313, 2321, 2322, 2323, 2324, 2325 and 490 (MA, RI, NH)[292][293][294]
ILWU - International Longshore and Warehouse Union: Inlandboatmen's Union of the Pacific[295]
NEA - National Education Association: VT[296]
SEIU - Service Employees International Union: Locals 560 and 1984 (NH)[297][298]

Organizations

Democratic Socialists of America, member of the Socialist International[299]
Friends of the Earth, environmentalist group[300]
Progressive Democrats of America, advocacy group and PAC[301]
Social Democrats, USA, lapsed member of the Socialist International[302]
Socialist Alternative, political party and member of the Committee for a Workers' International[303]
Vermont Progressive Party[146]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign,_2016#Endorsements

[beam me up scottie]

137. They don't count, they're not Canadian.

[Bubzer]

141. ...

[KittyWampus]

216. When you have to pad a list w/Mia Farrow your candidate clearly has problems.

[beam me up scottie]

223. When you have Raum Emanuel endorsing your candidate you really shouldn't throw stones.

[Number23]

234. The celebrities list is 10 times longer than anything else and 80% on that list I've never heard of

But Viggo Mortenson though...

Him I like...

[notadmblnd]

257. And what crimes has Mia Farrow committed?

[ornotna]

241. ...

[KingCharlemagne]

191. That poster never lets facts stand in the way of his

soft bigotry.

[SidDithers]

201. ...

Sid

[wendylaroux]

120. "some dead ones?"

this is what you call the greatest civil rights leader in this country?

What do you call the ones in your country?

[LiberalArkie]

197. Results:

On Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie has so few endorsements from living, breathing people...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847850

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

A DU Two-fee: Slam Mormons AND attack Sanders supporters with the comparison.

Is anti-Mormonism the new order of the day here?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Strange? Sure. Weird? You betcha. True? Depends what your definition of "so few endorsements" is. But it doesn't meet the criteria for a hide. And who am I to tell someone not to make a fool out of himself?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Isn't it always?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not worthy of an alert or hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[randys1]

226. This idea that some feel it appropriate to alert on someone criticing a candidate...

if that were the rule I would have to send out hundreds of alerts a day just for attacks of Hillary

(i realize the person I am responding to didnt do the alert)

[Cali_Democrat]

202. LOL

Funny observation.

[LWolf]

4. It's more sad than hilarious

that so many Hillary fans have more to say about Bernie supporters than they do about HRC herself.

[ejbr]

6. +1 n/t

[NorthCarolina]

17. Where do you want them to start?

Should they discuss the virtues of Chained CPI , means testing, and raising the retirement age for Social Security? Or, why it's not a good idea to reinstate Glass-Stegall? Or how about why Single-Payer is unrealistic? Or how about why it's better to US send troops into battle in the middle east than it is to expect middle east countries to put their youth in the fight.

I think it is pretty clear why there is no discussion of Hillary's "policy" on this board.

[upaloopa]

33. Why should we give your bull shit talking points any credence?

[CoffeeCat]

81. Yeah, but those are Hillary's talking points...

...the ones she said last week.

I don't get why she's coming out as a neocon and bashing single payer--but all righty then.

It's her campaign.

[AtheistCrusader]

84. Bullshit? Have you read your candidate's platform?

I wouldn't be calling it names, if I were you.

[Bubzer]

97. So you think your own candidate's talking points are bullshit? Those are her talking points.

[Goblinmonger]

184. Yeah, I don't know how she can say the things she does

and say she has always been a progressive with a straight face either.

But, really, if you have a problem with those positions, you should take them up with the person that holds them. Clinton. And if you think those are bad positions to take, there are other candidates in the primary that don't hold them that you could vote for and support.

It seems kind of strange that you so strongly support a politician that seems to hold positions contrary to your own

[Live and Learn]

39. +1000 nt

[redstateblues]

40. Bernie was against single payer

before he was for it. I guess he evolved.

[shenmue]

85. Shhh, don't remind them

[CoffeeCat]

88. He was never against single payer...

He acknowledged that single payer would not pass. He said this while Obamacare was being finessed through Congress.

President Obama himself, wasn't even willing to entertain single payer.

It just wasn't an option at the time. The insurance companies had such a stranglehold on that bill. They wrote a great deal of it.

Single payer just was not in the cards, at that time.

Everyone, including Bernie knew it. Doesn't mean he "was against it" as you said.

[MaggieD]

122. And then he smeared Hillary for realizing the same

Apparently she committed the cardinal sin of not bullshitting people like he is doing now.

[CoffeeCat]

210. Bernie is standing up for what is right...

I mean seriously. Are you actually making the case that it's a good thing that Hillary is giving up--while Sanders is fighting tooth and nail to try and and champion single payer?

Single payer is the goal of the majority in the Democratic party. It's the enemy of the Republicans who demonize it at every turn.

Maybe single payer won't ever happen, and how fucked up is that? We'll be the ONLY modern, Westernized country in the entire world to have a profit-centric system in which the bottom line determines whether or not families can afford cancer treatments for kids.

Accepting that malarkey is cowardice. Standing on the sidelines and calling it "pie in the sky" are the musings of a quitter who lacks the temerity to fight.

Hillary has given up. Good for her and her mocking. Good to know!

[MaggieD]

213. Bernie is dishonest

As I have pointed out in several recent threads. No getting around it once he put out that press release which was 100% bullshit.

[CoffeeCat]

215. You're twisting reality to make an erroneous point...

...but nice try.

Bernie's comment, several years ago was about single payer lacking the support to make it through Congress.

Listen carefully--that does't mean that he was against single payer.

The entire foundation of your ill-conceived slam on Bernie is built on twisting his initial comment from years ago.

Bizarre.

[MaggieD]

218. I don't think I am

He knows the difference between single payer and universal healthcare. If he doesn't he has no business running for senate let alone president.

So he is flat out lying in the press release he put out smearing her the other day. I only found it because a Bernie supporter quoted it (without providing a link, which was purposeful, I am sure).

You guys seem to think he is a saint. But the evidence is that he was hoping that press release would be read by people who are completely ignorant of the fact that single payer and universal healthcare are not the same thing. And that worked, because there were several posts here indicating just that - that many of his supporters do NOT know the difference.

So he lied on purpose. He lied to his supporters. He is dishonest. There is no other way to frame it. Sorry.

[notadmblnd]

259. Shhh, if they can't twist the truth, they've got nothing

nt

[JaneyVee]

42. Hillary is the only candidate with policy.

Bernie can't even get around to releasing any. Show me Bernie's Wall Street plan and climate plan.

[Javaman]

102. they are the same as hillarys...

she got hers from him.

[DownriverDem]

107. Reality bites

Hello? We know from the last 7 years that you need a Dem House and Senate to get anything done. You can like Bernie's ideas all you want, but without a Dem House and Senate in a big majority nothing will get done again.

Wake up. Repubs want you to hurt on Hillary. You are doing their job. I have followed Hillary since her work on the Watergate Hearings. She is very qualified to be president. I am so excited to vote for a qualified woman for president. I will proudly vote for her here in Michigan in a few months. I have waited my whole adult life to be able to vote for a qualified Dem woman for president. I will honor my Mother with my vote. When she was born, women didn't even have the right to vote. This is where I'm coming from.

[Robbins]

129. yawn

another one who bashes bernie supporters and only talks about clinton as women.

With bernie we have chance to elect a democratic senate and to reduce republican majority In house.

Bernie as president would bring change even with republican house.

Bernie could introduce bills that will be focus of debate
Bernie will be making cabent appointments
They have to neogate with Bernie not with those who will give away store to GOP.

I didn't support her for nomination In 2008.I like her even less now than back then.

I have followed Clintons for years.that is why I support bernie.The clintons cozy up to bushes and Kissinger.

[Goblinmonger]

186. So Clinton won't get anything done either?

Or are you somehow claiming that Clinton will magically make the Dems gain control of the House AND Senate?

If you are right, who gives a fuck who we vote for, then?

[Martin Eden]

239. "you need a Dem House and Senate to get anything done"

THAT is a very good reason to make Bernie Sanders the Democratic nominee. The key to winning back Congress is GOTV, and for that we need a candidate who generates enthusiasm and motivates demographics with traditionally low voter turnout (like young people). A Bernie Sanders victory in 2016 will have substantially longer coattails than a centrist candidate who represents the establishment so many voters believe needs changing.

If nothing can get done without Congress, then Hillary will get nothing done and President Obama has accomplished nothing since the 2010 midterms. If that doesn't actually hold true for Clinton or Obama, then it doesn't hold true for Sanders either -- but Sanders has a better chance of generating more votes for Democrats across the board.

Hillary Clinton lost my vote in October 2002 when she jumped on GW's war wagon to Iraq. If she had shown better judgment since then regarding the unintended consequences of our Middle East interventions I might have reconsidered, but she is still a hawk. In my view, her record on foreign policy (often touted as one of her great qualifications) is the biggest strike against her.

As long as we continue to drain our treasury into the military industrial complex, very little of the Democratic agenda can be accomplished.

[JaneyVee]

18. This op is about HRC endorsements.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

96. No. This OP is about you trying to slander Sanders supporters. Keep up.

[upaloopa]

30. Well that's because you all are such great fun and we need to get all we can while we can

Come Super Tuesday as Hillary wins the nomination this board will be Hillary fans. TOS

[NorthCarolina]

121. LOL...

eom

[LWolf]

154. I'm not sure where you think we'd be going.

Have you noticed how long many of us have been chatting on "this board?"

It's true that should HRC be nominated at the Convention next summer most Sanders supporters will get in line, although becoming "fans" is a bit optimistic. As is the automatic assumption that she's going to win.

[JaneyVee]

38. Yeah ok. Bernie fans never attack.

[JaneyVee]

47. We're the only ones discussing policy, because...

Hillary and Martin are the only ones releasing policy. Go find me Bernie's Wall Street policy or climate policy. Not links to his vague website, but ACTUAL policy papers.

[JaneyVee]

75. I see you're new here. We have been and will continue to...

Discuss policy. In the meantime, Bernie should try releasing some policy.

[lunamagica]

108. On this thread alone we have...

"51. Don't be jealous, I am sure Machiavelli and Ghengis Khan would endorse Clinton."

So much for "most attacks from Bernie supporters reference positions or facts"

[KingCharlemagne]

194. +Infinity! - nt

[SunSeeker]

5. K & R

[NurseJackie]

7. This type of thing suggests to me a certain level of worry among the campaign and supporters.

[Hepburn]

44. You forgot to add...

..."in camp HRC."

Looks like 2008 all over again!

JMHO

[NurseJackie]

54. Oh, how amusing! Very clever of you.

[blackspade]

8. Link?

[pangaia]

9. You prefer Clinton. We all know that.

I prefer Sanders. Most probably can tell that.

Peace out.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. I've spoken endlessly against that person who claims to support Bernie who does those OPs but...

The anti Bernie people spent a year coddling and nurturing a few ragingly anti gay and antisemitic posters one of whom finally got PPR'd recently for this:
"Posted an OP claiming that the terrorist attacks in Paris were an effort to distract the public from the crimes of Jewish bankers. Posted link to disgusting antisemitic website to support this theory."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292436&sub=trans

This is a poster OP JaneyVee frequently rushed to chat with....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251720718
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026587992

I'd been aware of that poster and her associates since Nov 2014 when she posted this the day after the election:
"The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45

And that went on and on with Kelliekat44 for months, years and none of her friends here ever took so much as a moment to correct her or to distance themselves from that incredibly over the top verbiage. She attacked Bernie endlessly and eventually her motives slipped out. Something to think about.

[JaneyVee]

15. What does this have to do with the op?

[ibegurpard]

22. whatever shreds of credibility you possess

[JaneyVee]

25. Because I interacted with an anonymous poster on a message board?

[beam me up scottie]

45. Then there was your linking to Stormfront to associate a Jewish candidate with neo-Nazis.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=486255

You really have no right to lecture anyone else on how to properly conduct themselves, JaneyVee.

[JaneyVee]

49. Or you can stay on topic and discuss the op.

And I'm not lecturing anybody, I'm being lectured to.

[beam me up scottie]

53. I thought the op was about hilarious/sad things to see supporters doing.

You lowered the bar so far down with that post I haven't seen anyone else even get near it.

And yet you think you have the right to judge other posters?

[JaneyVee]

58. Yup, I have every right to do that.

Are you trying to suppress my right to free speech?

[beam me up scottie]

60. Nope, just pointing out your staggering hypocrisy and complete lack of credibility.

You're welcome!

[JaneyVee]

65. From who, you?

[beam me up scottie]

69. Those are your posts, all we did was link to them.

That's the beauty of the search function.

[JaneyVee]

70. Good for you!

Thanks for kicking.

[beam me up scottie]

74. No problem, highlighting hypocrisy is usually a thankless job.

[JaneyVee]

78. Hope it pays well.

A certain candidate wants to raise your taxes.

[treestar]

79. And they are not related to the OP

There are off-topic. About other posters rather than any issue.

[beam me up scottie]

87. The op is complaining about the behaviour of other posters, her own is fair game.

If she wanted to whinge without being challenged on her hypocrisy she should have posted this in the HRC group or at the Clinton cave.

[Bluenorthwest]

91. Yes treestar, of course your group has the right to call out other groups but your group must not

face the same treatment in return because...why? Are you the supreme ones, given all warrant? The OP is calling out others for things the OP does, and that was demonstrated.

One set of rules. Not two, not three. No more 'rules are for thee, never for me'. The Era of Bullshit is done.

[bravenak]

95. After a certain mess where a certain person made nasty unfounded accusations.

About somebody 'targeting' OS that were untrue, I have no idea why they are harassing folks. Shameful. But here they are, harassing, accusing, and boldly going where no man has gone before.

[bravenak]

94. These Are the same folks who piled on us because Somebody said they were being targeted.

No need to take them seriously until they admit their errors and apologize. Go back and look at that OS thread at the nasty posts from your interlocutors.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

163. I don't believe you have ethical standing to call Omaha Steve a liar.

In fact, I know you don't. Honesty is the coin of the realm. Fucking sucks to be flat broke, but some people are.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

161. We shoot Nazis in the motherfucking skull. We don't link to their websites.

[BeanMusical]

66. OMG, this is beyond the pale and nauseating!

[treestar]

77. No that was not.

Republican like attempt to repeat things until you can make them true.

[beam me up scottie]

82. That was not what?

A link to Stormfront or an attempt to associate a Jewish candidate with a neo-Nazi hate group?

Bernie oddly enough seems to have some fans over there

[MaggieD]

125. You get upset when someone tells the truth

I've seen it many times.

[beam me up scottie]

127. What's true about associating a Jewish candidate with Stormfront?

My god you people will defend anything one of your fellow supporters does, no matter how depraved it is.

[MaggieD]

130. I don't see where she associated Bernie with the group

What she posted showed Bernie supporters associated with the group. That seems pretty clear, so why twist it into something else?

Oh, I know why. Never mind.

[beam me up scottie]

132. Like I said - you'll defend anything.

[MaggieD]

134. If you didn't want people to know you were....

.... Making a false statement you shouldn't have provided the link. But you did and it's clear what you accused her of is not true. Sorry.

[beam me up scottie]

135. Keep digging that hole.

[MaggieD]

139. The only hole being dug here is by you

[beam me up scottie]

143. You're defending someone who associated a hate group with a Jewish candidate on DU.

Just to score some points, what a sleazy thing to do.

[MaggieD]

144. I'm defending someone you are smearing

.... with absolute nonsense. Like you do to most Hillary supporters and Clinton herself daily.

[beam me up scottie]

147. She linked to Stormfront and said its members support Bernie.

Thankfully the jurors found it equally despicable.

Oh, right, I forgot, the jurors are all biased.

[MaggieD]

149. Yes, and that is true

Sadly true. But the truth offends you. But it is true, regardless.

As for your defense that a jury here agreed,

Yeah, as if that means something.

[beam me up scottie]

150. I guess I'll have to take your word about who Stormfront members support.

Thanks for letting everyone know what you're all about.

Oh wait, they already knew.

You just keep confirming it.

[MaggieD]

156. Oh come on, you know it's true

There have been many, many articles discussing the bad behavior of some of his supporters. So it's not like the whole country hasn't noticed. And that's actually historical for a Dem presidential candidate.

Sad for him, but it is unfortunately true. You have to wonder why he attracts folks like that. Don't you?

[beam me up scottie]

157. From what I understand hcs.com has a lock on the anti-Semites.

And you're a member so like I said, I'll have to take your word on whom they support.

[MaggieD]

168. Well you understand wrong

But what else is new?

[beam me up scottie]

169. You get upset when someone tells the truth.

I've seen it many times.

[MaggieD]

171. Dream on

I'm just here to call out and mock bullshit. It entertains me.

As I've posted more than once on the other site you seem obsessed with my personal opinion is that nothing posted here is going to make a tinkers damn worth of difference in the election.

If you all think you're part of some revolution you're in the wrong place. IMO.

[beam me up scottie]

172. The anti-Semitic website where the owner called Bernie supporters "white trailer trash"?

Yes, we know all about it.

[MaggieD]

183. Oh my

So how do you feel about the shit ton of misogynistic, racist, bigoted stuff posted here over the years? Do tell.

[beam me up scottie]

188. Did the owner of this website ever say anything like that?

On DU anti-Semitsm is against the tos, in fact a Hillary supporter was just banned for it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292436&sub=trans

But I'm sure they know what website they'll be welcome to join, if they're not already a member.

[MaggieD]

212. Take that log out of your eye

The owner of the site you are referring to never said anything like that either. But the crap that Bernie supporters let stand here is pervasive and disgusting, IMO.

And it is beyond hypocritical to go on and one and one about ONE post there, when this place is brimming over with much worse and allowed to stand.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110713009

[beam me up scottie]

221. You're so upset by something a troll said here that you joined an anti-Semitic website?

And you're defending someone who linked to Stormfront?

Well that makes perfect sense!

[MaggieD]

225. If they were supporting Hillary....

The Bernie crew would be linking to it 9 times a day every day. But that's the thing when you can call Hillary a whore and not get a hide. When that occurs there are no community standards any longer. That's the message. You can't have them for one side and not the other. But that's really what some are after, clearly.

Have a nice thanksgiving. Sincerely.

[beam me up scottie]

228. Calling someone a "corporate whore" is allowed, the jurors probably thought that's what they meant.

Because of that I won't condemn them for their votes although I would have voted to hide it. It should not be used to describe Hillary or any other woman, imo.

Misogyny does exist here, as does racism, homophobia and other bigotry, the difference being that it is explicitly forbidden by the tos. Not all juries will get it right every time and admin can't catch and ban every bigot - but the system is better than anything goes.

You have a good holiday as well.

[bkkyosemite]

170. "You have to wonder why he attracts folks like that. Don't you?"

Really.........you Hillary supporters dig deep for those slaps....

[beam me up scottie]

173. Consider the source.

Hillary ran a racist campaign in 2008 so it's only natural she would attract supporters like that.

[treestar]

76. What this poster always does

guilt by association. If you agreed with kelliekat on another issue and didn't realize she was anti-gay, you are still a homophobe yourself. We all should have realized that and it should be our first priority.

Well also except for Bernie - he is OK to associate with them, apparently, as we learned yesterday.

[Bluenorthwest]

99. And that's what the OP is doing, defining 'Bernie supporters' by the acts of one poster who many

other Bernie supporters have castigated for that behavior, unlike the OP and many others who never seemed to notice the roiling anti gay and antisemitic nature of Kelliekat44's language. The OP claims Bernie Supporters are all culpable for one poster's crap, so then I give you Kelliekat44, anti Bernie, pro Hillary and not castigated by the OP, nor by the bulk of the Clinton cohort, save for PeaceNikki who really did a good job.
So I can defend my actions, but the OP can not defend her own. I am on record calling out bullshit on both sides of this primary, the OP is on record hurling anti Bernie materials along with those who hurl the very worst of the bullshit.

[BootinUp]

104. Check your logic seriously!

The OP refers to people that hypothesize about who MLK would support and this is VERY MUCH related to Bernie Sanders recent effort to connect his campaign to MLK, which is why the whole subject came up. So please check your logic and stop your personal vendetta.

[Bluenorthwest]

89. It says you have absolutely no standing to judge another group of people as your group, it's the

same sauce only lacking in voices that are willing to call out the bullshit in your own group. You sermonize about the speck in Bernie's eye while ignoring the bigoted old log in your own. It's a glaring double standard, a hypocrisy that would shame the soul of anyone who wanted to be seen as an honest broker.

You cited a person you claim is a Bernie supporter, but I am a Bernie supporter who has soundly criticized the person you criticize. You verbiage of course also attacks me. In response, I demonstrated that the 'anti Bernie/pro-Hillary' group is chock full of similar bullshit, some of which has been PPR'd for being so very vile, and that rather than criticize those posters, you amicably chat away with them for months after their bigotry is spotlighted for all to see.

You need to clean your own house. You yourself linked to Stormfront, and many of the aggressively anti Bernie posters absolutely drip with bias. It's not pretty and it is made much worse by this constant pretense that you are the righteous ones calling out those in the wrong.

[BootinUp]

93. Sorry to interrupt your mission: but DO you have an opinion on the subject of the OP?

[Bluenorthwest]

106. Obviously you have not read what I have posted here.

I ask that you do so prior to your interrogation. I am asking the OP to do on her side of the primary what I do on my own, which is call out the bullshit and the bigoted posts. I do that, all over DU. That twit who posts about Stockholm and MLK has heard from me endlessly, and I don't think that person is a Bernie supporter, just as I don't think that Kelliekat44 was actually a Hillary supporter. People who do nasty, rat fucking things are not supporters of candidates. Stockholm Man knows he is making people pissed at Bernie supporters, just as Kelliekat44 knew she was lobbing grenades that made Hillary people look like bigots.
You have to look at the outcome of what people do, not at what they tell you they are. 'I support O'Malley and I'm here to say rude things about gay people' = not an O'Malley supporter but an O'Malley detractor. They dress up as members of the team they want to disparage and behave in ways that are detrimental to the candidate in question. How is that support? You tell me.

I'll await your answers.

[BootinUp]

117. Oh Yes, I can tell you believe in your approach but I don't.

Your approach is apparently to stalk folks like you are a self appointed moderator. While I believe in discussing political issues and campaigns. If the issue of Bernie Sanders campaign trying to extend off of MLK legacy is not a legitimate issue for discussion, then apparently I've lost my mind.

[Bluenorthwest]

131. So you did not read what I wrote and are not responding to any of it, instead you bully and preach.

Look, I have a great memory and I do recall the things people say and later when they posture as something they are not I will in fact mention it.
The OP is using one poster to define Bernie supporters. I pointed out a terrible 'Hillary supporter' who was banned for bigotry. I offer that which is good for the goose is good for the gander.

You can't counter my positions so you try to shout and intimidate, lacking in reason you fall instantly to personal attacks, characterizations and bullying.

[BootinUp]

148. To Be Clear: I am criticizing your guilt by association vendettas on DU

The bullying is where you target specific posters and try to shame them by associating them with posters that aren't even in the fucking community.

[Hepburn]

46. The poster posted against gay marriage?

Wow...it's hard for me to imagine a true liberal who would post against civil rights, like marriage, for all.

Thanks for the info!

[Bluenorthwest]

119. Yes and obviously her cohort is still very upset to have it pointed out.

Note that none of those who were friendly with that openly bigoted poster have said 'sorry, I did not know'. That never crosses their minds.

[Hepburn]

231. Unbelievable...and how sad! n/t

[TacoD]

61. Jury results:

On Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I've spoken endlessly against that person who claims to support Bernie who does those OPs but...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=847904

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Some kind of call out of DUers, personally I don't know the details, don't want to know.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:07 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Excellent post, do not hide it. Some here prefer to poke with immunity
and it is time to give equal time.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: disgusting that kk44 was allowed to operate unchecked on DU for so long
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If alerter isn't sure of anything, why alert?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Don't know the details either, but this denunciation of the original poster does not contribute to the topic at hand.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not sure of the details and I don't entirely get what's going on here, but OTOH I appreciate how Bluenorthwest keeps it real and keeps focused on discrimination no matter where it's coming from - he's gone after Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters. There are so many people going after people only because of who they're voting for, and so few people keeping people accountable for this kind of issue.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Bluenorthwest]

115. Juror #7 hits the nail on the head, I thank them for their words and ask supporters of all

candidates to consider joining me. That's why I posted what I posted. People need to understand that if you are part of a group and some in that group are being bigoted, you have to call them out when you can or you yourself are as good as a bigot. If you coddle people because they share your candidate you are coddling and exploiting bigotry.

The OP attacked saying all Bernie supporters are defined by Stockholm Man. I suggested that if that is the metric, KellieKat44 should stand as metric for the very anti Bernie crowd. KK44 was not just for Hillary but rabidly anti Bernie, for reasons that eventually came to light clearly enough for all to see.

[treestar]

67. What a long, long memory

for every slight. Yes, you speak endlessly against other people. Always trying to find a way to make us the bad guys. Oh we didn't notice that poster soon enough for you? Maybe we should read every single post on the board or none at all.

[Bluenorthwest]

140. And more insults and personal attacks from those who have no actual reasoned point to make.

And you regularly leap on my posts to castigate me but you never quote me, link to that which bothers you nor cite any specifics. It's hard not to notice that and wonder about the motivations for it, and impossible to actually discuss your complaints when you offer no examples of what ails you. This is a common habit among the anti Bernie Hillary supporters, they have arch insinuations but never any citations or facts. Which is why it bothers them when others have citations and specifics, I suppose.

Vague bullshit will never defeat sound fact.

[Scootaloo]

155. I think a gay person might have cause to remember blatant homophobia from DU's "Luminaries."

[aikoaiko]

12. It's more of an inconvenience for the anti-Bernie folk...

[JaneyVee]

14. What's an inconvenience to anti-Bernie folk?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I have read several books about the great man...

Dr. King was certainly a dreamer but he also had a pragmatic side. That being said who knows who he would support.

I do find it interesting that of all the people who were closest to Dr. King and is still alive , Andrew Young is supporting Hillary.

[BootinUp]

19. Andrew Young was probably thrown under the bus

a long time ago. I'm sure I missed it or just lost track of the count.

[JaneyVee]

20. Yup.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Yup

In 1964, Young was named executive director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), becoming, in that capacity, one of King's principal lieutenants. As a colleague and friend of Martin Luther King Jr., he was a strategist and negotiator during the Civil Rights Campaigns in Birmingham (1963), St. Augustine (1964), Selma (1965), and Atlanta (1966). He was jailed for his participation in civil rights demonstrations, both in Selma, Alabama, and in St. Augustine, Florida. The movement gained congressional passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act. Young was with King in Memphis, Tennessee, when King was assassinated in 1968.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Young

WASHINGTON — In a display of institutional might, Hillary Clinton is rolling out a lengthy list of Georgia Democratic Party leaders backing her campaign for the presidency.

Shared first with the AJC, the list shows how Clinton has captured the support of the biggest names in Georgia Democratic politics, starting with civil rights hero and U.S. Rep. John Lewis. Clinton backers include Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, former Ambassador to the U.N. Andrew Young, state Democratic Party chairman DuBose Porter and a slew of Gold Dome leaders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Young

[ibegurpard]

21. Oh by all means let him rest in peace

Let's just stop quoting him. Let's remove all references to him from everything. Let's stop referencing him in regards to issues that persist to this day.

You'd be attacking him if you thought you could get away with it if Hillary took a stand conflicting with him.

[JaneyVee]

27. Calm down with your hyperbole and rhetoric.

[Ken Burch]

31. MLK would never support HRC's militarism or her indifference to workers and the poor. n/t.

[JaneyVee]

34. So he would support turning our heads at genocide?

[mcar]

23. K&R

[Gothmog]

24. Congressman Lewis's endorsement is a major endorsement

Congressman Lewis is a national treasure

[Ken Burch]

29. At one point in the Eighties, he wanted Sam Nunn on the ticket.

I admire the congressman, but he's not infallible.

[Ken Burch]

28. No more absurd than HRC running an ad in '08 implying that RFK would want her nominated.

The Bobby of '68 would never have backed the establishment, status quo choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. This ad?

[treestar]

80. well played!

[Ken Burch]

199. Yes. That ad was bullshit. HRC has nothing in common with RFK.

And she has never been a voice for the voiceless. You can't still defend the '96 welfare bill and ever again claim to care about the poor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

222. Robert F Kennedy Jr. has more right to speak for his martyred father than a random ...

Robert F Kennedy Jr. has more right to speak for his martyred father than a random internet poster.

[gordyfl]

123. Hillary an Absentee, again.

Yes, Hillary was invited but she didn't show up at BET Forum. Bernie did.

Hillary was invited, but she didn't show up at NetRoots Nation Forum. Bernie did.

Hillary was invited, but she didn't show up at MoveOn.org Forum. Bernie did.

[msrizzo]

36. To me the real point is this...

Had MLK lived a whole lot of stuff would have been different. We probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[sulphurdunn]

48. HRC is to the right of LBJ.

If elected, and if her record is any indication of how she will behave in office, she will be the most conservative democratic president of the last century, if not in American history. It is possible MLK would have supported her, but I doubt it. Your appeal to authority fallacy is not persuasive. It isn't 1965, and although it is sad, it really doesn't matter that a right-wing democrat is endorsed by establishment civil rights icons from that era.

[oberliner]

152. Do you think she is to the right of WJC?

Do you think she would be more conservative than he was?

[Ken Burch]

224. That probably isn't possible.

WJC is the most conservative nominee we have chosen since Grover Cleveland(he was to the right of Carter in some respects).

The fear is that she would pretty much do what Bill did-NOT out of the belief that she'd let Bill tell her what to do(I serioously doubt anyone thinks that of her), but that she sincerely believes that those kinds of policies are the only ones that can get a Dem elected and re-elected president.

[oberliner]

229. The poster wrote that HRC "will be the most conservative democratic president of the last century"

If not in history.

But it seems like she wouldn't even be the most conservative of the most recent two Democratic presidents.

[sulphurdunn]

238. No less

[SoapBox]

50. Blah, blah, blah....

The nasty and negative never stop.

Rinse and repeat.

[JaneyVee]

52. Touting endorsements and saying have a wonderful day is being "nasty"?

[JoePhilly]

73. Some of these folks are still ...

... in the Anger phase of grief.

And some of them seem to be stuck there indefinitely.

[Vattel]

51. Don't be jealous, I am sure Machiavelli and Ghengis Khan would endorse Clinton.

[JaneyVee]

56. Seems like you're the jealous one.

[ibegurpard]

59. I know you are but what am i?

That about sums up your contributions to this board.

[JaneyVee]

63. And your contribution is following me around and...

Saying meaningless crap.

[MrMickeysMom]

243. Lol~

[wendylaroux]

55. MLK was a Democratic Socialists

so there's that.

[Sheepshank]

72. you are assuming the label is the only reason MLK would vote for Dem Socialist

you have no idea. Many Dems won't vote for Hillary if she is the nomiee and she is a Dem. Care to explain how your scenario works then since titles mean diddly squat to many DU'er present and banned? Do you think MLK is on board with Bernie's choice of Cornel West to disseminate his platform?

[wendylaroux]

110. MLK was a Democratic Socialists

that is all I have to say.

And your big fly swatter is violent,it disturbs me.

[MaggieD]

116. That's false

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/28/2540251/martin-luther-king-republican/

[TM99]

162. All your article does is

disapprove that he was a Republican and that he never claimed to be in either party.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/169/169_street_mlk_democratic_socialist.html

I think I will take a PoC's understanding of MLK over yours.

He was most definitely a Democratic Socialist.

Sorry to burst your white bubble.

[MaggieD]

165. It's false.

Just as is the suggestion he would have endorsed Bernie.

[TM99]

178. Nothing but a statement of arrogant white assertion;

That's all you got.

Would MLK have endorsed Sanders? Given his history of not endorsing either party, likely not.

Was MLK a Democratic Socialist? Yes.

Would a DS running for president been something he would have supported even if he did not give a formal endorsement? Likely, given his own political stances.

As he is tragically not with us, it is all speculation. However, when a black man following in his footsteps in Atlanta says that Sanders is following in MLK's legacy, hell yes, you better listen.

You won't, of course.

What snarky reply will you have for me this time MaggieD?

[MaggieD]

182. Oh FFS

You actually think MLK was a democratic socialist despite all evidence that he was not because some blog makes that assertion?

Really? Really? That's absurd.

[TM99]

190. FFS right back at you.

You have ZERO proof that he was not.

Care to provide links to back up your assertions?

You won't, of course, but enjoy your snark as I am sure you will.

[MaggieD]

207. Really? Seriously?

There is no end of evidence that he was not, most notably his many references to the fact that he was non-partisan. You can find them throughout this thread, should you actually care to read them.

You guys have some imagination. That is for damn sure.

[TM99]

209. Non partisan has shit to do with

his personal political positions which align with Democratic Socialism.

I can't take your bullshit anymore. I am putting you on Ignore because I can't wait for you to self destruct as usual and get yourself on another fucking time out.

[MaggieD]

214. That word doesn't mean what you think it means

non·par·ti·san.

[ˌnänˈpärdizən]

ADJECTIVE

1.not biased or partisan, especially toward any particular political group.
synonyms: unbiased · impartial · neutral · objective

Can we stop making shit up about MLK now? Thanks in advance.

[MrMickeysMom]

244. Lol~

http://www.socialistparty-usa.org/literature/mlking-flyer.pdf

[Sheepshank]

151. all violence aside....I can't find where He is registered anywhere as such

the presumption and assumptions made by Bernie supporters is way too much desperation to gain traction and validity

From MaggieD's link:

King was not a partisan and never endorsed any political candidate..… "And I’m not inextricably bound" (MLK)

[MaggieD]

167. They just make shit up

If there is one thing I will remember about this primary season it is the utter level of fabrication that went on. Makes me SMH.

[MaggieD]

114. No he wasn't

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/28/2540251/martin-luther-king-republican/

[RandySF]

57. That's nothing.

Someone posted "Bernie is black" a few months ago.

[CoffeeCat]

64. Wow your tone sure doesn't represent what MLK stood for...

Calling Bernie supporters "hilarious/sad" ....and then telling us to "Have a wonderful day."

MLK stood for peace, bringing people together, compassion and love.

Last week, my daughter told me about a little girl who is bullying her in school. When my daughter tries to join in a conversation the girl constantly responds, "That's sooooo hilarious that you would say that!"

I mean, seriously.

You don't, my any chance, have a daughter that attends Prairie Ridge Middle School, do you?

[gordyfl]

71. Remembering MLK - 2008

Ho-hum...We've heard this argument in 2008...

[bravenak]

90. Glad you said it. Desperation runs deep.

[DownriverDem]

100. Who are Benie folks?

Unless Bernie supporters agree to vote for whoever the Dem nominee is in Nov 2016, I question if they are really left leaning voters. They use repub talking points and pure hate to attack Hillary. I have never seen anything like it. They are playing right into the repub playbook.

What is wrong with many Bernie folks? We all know that Bernie would find you disgusting.

[stupidicus]

101. it's not much diff from speculating who JC would support

and I'd speculate that it wouldn't be the clusterbomb-loving, warmongering, Margaret Thatcher https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwju6vek9avJAhVCQCYKHRZVB8IQFghkMAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F608423%2FBill-Clinton-Hillary-Clinton-Steven-Spielberg-Margaret-Thatcher&usg=AFQjCNFx_mXCiLLXMg8hJ3cttV27Vlqrgg wannabe

[MaggieD]

126. It must be fun to imagine

Even though it strains the imagination. MLK never endorsed a politician in his life.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/28/2540251/martin-luther-king-republican/

[fredamae]

105. No one can speak for

anyone who is no longer here to speak for themselves. Every speculation is a "hypothesis", is it not?

[MaggieD]

111. But, but, but "killer Mike" ... Or something

LOL!

I find it a bit ironic given how radically Bernie's supporters (Internet wide) have attacked BLM and John Lewis.

I wonder why Bernie attracts that sort of supporter but Hillary doesn't? It's interesting.

[Duval]

112. Well, that's just plain marvelous, but

SO WHAT?? Sigh! Isn't it about time we stop this crap?

[Romulox]

113. Whitesplain that to Killer Mike! nt

[rhett o rick]

136. What's sad is that people believe that a candidate sponsored by the Billionaires

will fight for social justice. Her sponsors don't want social justice, they don't want economic justice, they support her because they very much understand the concept of quid pro quo. A concept that some here pretend doesn't exist.

Progressives have been fighting for social justice forever, while the conservatives have been dragging their feet.

Your choice, vote for a progressive or vote for a conservative.

[oberliner]

138. Statement on Presidential Endorsement

I have been asked from many quarters whether it is my intention to endorse one of the presidential candidates. The organization of which I am president, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, from its inception and in its constitution has been non-partisan.2 Accordingly, as its titular head, I am unable to endorse a political party or its candidate.3 Moreover, the role that is mine in the emerging social order of the South and America demands that I remain non-partisan. This, devoid of partisan political attachments, I am free to be critical of both parties when necessary.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/statement-presidential-endorsement

[MaggieD]

142. History is not a strong suit of certain folks here

That's for sure.

[SidDithers]

158. Thank you for posting that...

Sid

[oberliner]

160. You're welcome

I thought it provided some interesting context to the discussion.

[mmonk]

145. Is it? He was very much on economic

justice with the poor peoples' march on Washington and anti-war. At the very least, we know what he was against.

[Scootaloo]

153. He wouldn't be arm-in-arm with someone who thinks Stormfront is an acceptable source, for sure

But past that? it ain't something I'm worried about.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

159. You failed to make a cogent point.

You claim that it's both sad and simultaneously funny that Sanders fans muse about who MLK would support. You've done nothing to show how this is either sad or funny. You also haven't been able to explain why this is an invalid exercise. You can, of course, say whatever you'd like. But if you wish to be taken seriously, you'll have to actually come up with some content. Put another way, if you handed this in as a college assignment, I'd send it back to you and have you start again. Here, I'll even give you a writing prompt: tell me why it's both sad and funny that Sanders supporters hypothesize about who MLK would have supported in this election. Further, tell me why this is an invalid exercise.

[lovemydog]

166. It's never too late for anyone to learn more about him.

Read books on him. Read his own writings. In full. Not in part.

He did not endorse politicians. He worked with people from all walks of life who supported his cause.

Stop patronizing or simplifying or coopting his message.

Read. Listen. Learn.

Happy Thanksgiving to you & your loved ones JaneyVee.

Happy Thanksgiving to all reading here.

[AgingAmerican]

174. It's sad to see Hillarys supporters coming unglued over it

Because MLK was a professed Democratic Socialist. They are simply jealous and don't know how to handle it.

[lovemydog]

175. I'm a Bernie supporter.

MLK was a professed Christian.

He said some nice things about democratic socialism. To say he was a professed Democratic Socialist is really stretching the truth. Certainly he was sympathetic to the poor people's movement and to civil rights and to love and justice. To try an coopt that or say combatting ignorance is based on jealousy is absurd to the extreme.

I don't like bullshit no matter where I see it. Especially with people on my side. Hope you enjoy a great Thanksgiving with you and your loved ones.

[AgingAmerican]

177. There is no co-opting anything

IT's simple truth. Ideologically, MLK and Sanders are pretty much one in the same. Hillary is a 'moderate' whatever the hell that is.

[lovemydog]

179. You're entitled to your opinion.

Enjoy a nice Thanksgiving.

[TM99]

180. You are not entitled to yours

when it doesn't match reality.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/169/169_street_mlk_democratic_socialist.html

[lovemydog]

187. That's an opinion too.

So thanks for that. I suggest reading MLK's actual books, speeches and writings. Read biographies about him. Internet opinions will only get you so far. While I'm sympathetic to those opinions, there's much more to this great man's life and works than opinions and internet commentary.

[TM99]

192. I have read them all.

The opinion is very well sourced from his writings and speeches. It makes a convincing argument.

He supported both economic and social justice. Somehow those two are now separate in a party that once considered them inseparable.

[lovemydog]

195. You've read every book on MLK?

Every one of his books? Wow. That's impressive.

Yes, he supported social justice and economic justice.

If you've read them all then you'd also understand that I haven't said anything controversial or inaccurate. He didn't make endorsements of presidential candidates.

Hope you enjoy a great Thanksgiving!

[TM99]

196. I have read all of his writings

and speeches, and quite a few secondary sources. My parents marched in the civil rights movement during the 1960's.

I did not say you were being controversial but you have made no case for him not being a Democratic Socialist in his personal political positions.

I have at least provided a well sourced link that argues that point.

You too.

[lovemydog]

200. Yes, he definitely spoke well of democratic socialism

in the years leading up to his tragic assassination. Those fundamentals are evident with his Poor People's Movement, his critique of the Vietnam War (which analyzed why poor black people were dying at much higher rates that their well off brethren), his support for black sanitation workers in Memphis and their right to organize, his attempts to desegregate housing up north.

We have so much to be grateful for, discussing the fine points of such a great man and movement. I enjoy & appreciate getting to understand where others are coming from a little better.

[TM99]

204. Indeed.

Thank you for a pleasant interchange even if we started out a bit rocky.

[lovemydog]

206. Thank you as well!

[Autumn]

176. It's pretty hilarious/sad to see Hillary "fans" hypothesize about who MLK

would make uncomfortable today. MLK never made me uncomfortable, I always agreed with him. I also find it hilarious that the same people who say let the man rest in peace will be more than happy for Hillary supporters to use him to trash Bernie and his supporters.

[tularetom]

185. It's hilarious AND sad?

Make up your mind.

IMO the entire question of endorsements, hypothetical or not, is ridiculous. I don't care who Martin Luther King would endorse. Nor would I care if he were actually here to make his endorsement in person. Nor do I care who "MLK wingman/pioneer and civil rights icon Rep.John Lewis, civil rights icon Gloria Steinem, civil rights icon Dolores Huerta, and civil rights icon Jim Obergefell" endorse. I sort of make my own decisions when it comes to voting.

I'm not sure who you think you're impressing with these posts but this one is simply silly.

[KingCharlemagne]

189. EPIC FAIL! As if MLK would have anything to do with

that imperialist war pig Hillary. You might want to reread the text of MLK's 1967 Riverside speech "Beyond Vietnam" before staking out such a smug and ahistorical position.

[Cha]

193. Power packed post, Janey..

[Romulox]

198. Michael Render announcing who MLK would support = sad. "Moderate" White DUers doing the same = ???

[pinebox]

203. You know what's sad?

My post here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=76743

Absolutely astonished.

I've seen Hillary supporters here on DU in the last few days do this;

Defend fracking.
Defend a non living wage.
Say single payer health care is bad.
Defend The Patriot Act.
Say that Hillary wanting to put back door encryption in our devices is fine.
Her college plan is fine and people should pay something.
Defend the 89 Dem reps who voted to gut SNAP.

Some of these are the core principles of being a Democrat & yet they're against them. I'm sorry but you're defending shit like the above, you're no Dem, hell you aren't even a Liberal. Almost every single one of these listed above are Republican talking points.

Shit like this makes me glad I'm an indy.

It is what it is and I'm beginning to firmly believe that some people are content with settling with things that are half the distance and I don't understand why you can go the whole race and win it. It's like trying to swim the English channel and getting half way only to turn back with Hillary. "No that will never get done, no that isn't a reality, no no NO!" That's all I hear and it's truly sad that some aren't even willing to try. We'd have horse drawn carriages and dirt roads if that was still the norm.

[McCamy Taylor]

205. Amen.

[ibegurpard]

208. Who would the Lady of Guadalupe support?

[2pooped2pop]

211. I think it's obvious.

They both fight similar battles and MLK would not have fallen for the weathervane tactics. Just my opinion of course.

[NCTraveler]

217. They can't stop JaneyVee. They just can't stop.

It's like being offensive is a qualification necessary in order to support Sanders.

[AtomicKitten]

219. What's sad/inexplicable is racial division being propagated by Clinton supporters, again.

Especially since that tactic went so nicely for their candidate in 2007/08.

[msanthrope]

246. Yes. It was Clinton supporters accusing BLM of chicanery.

It was a Clinton supporter who used the term "race-nagging." And of course it must have been a Clinton supporter who accused people of color and others on this board of having Stockholm Syndrome.

[AtomicKitten]

247. It's the same race-baiting trolling exhibited by Clinton fans circa 2008 election .

Same tactic, different election. This time it's Karl Rove theater, spinning your wheels trying to turn Bernie's strength, his solid record on civil rights, into a weakness. The attacks on Bernie's supporters illustrates the tough job you're having tearing Bernie down.

But fear not, Clinton fan, because the Clintons are really pulling out the stops this go with Mark Penn polluting polling behind the scenes and David Brock polluting truth on the internet.

All these disgusting machinations guarantee one thing for Hillary - a general election loss if she gets that far.

See you at the ballot box.

[msanthrope]

249. So you think PoC on this board are engaging in race-baiting trolling? nt

[AtomicKitten]

250. bravenak admitted to it in a PM posted here

<eom>

[msanthrope]

251. So you think that bravenak is engaging in race-baiting trolling? nt

[AtomicKitten]

253. I'll look for it for you & you can judge for yourself

[msanthrope]

255. No need....you, and Bernie supporters like you have indeed been

trolled.....effectively into losing the SC primary for him.

[AtomicKitten]

258. At least you admit to the trolling. Good for you.

You and your fellow trollers have effectively lost the general, if she gets that far. But Hillary did do the heavy lifting.

[msanthrope]

260. Um no......I'm saying you have been trolled. But not by bravenak. nt

[merrily]

227. Pure meta.

[Rebkeh]

230. Not gonna scroll through all that mess ^

I have better things to do so if this has already been said, my apologies.

Nobody knows who Dr. King would support - and it doesn't matter anyway because he is not here to speak for himself. Just stop.

But two things worth considering are these:

He'd probably be against all this war, I think that is safe to assume. Hillary is bangin' that drum just as much as our friends on the right. So, there's that.

While we will never know what Dr. King's opinion would be in modern context and we should definitely honor that, there's no offense in recognizing parallels between his outspoken values and principles then and what's on the table now. But that's me, I cannot speak for others.

[eridani]

232. Because no one ever loved banksters as much as MLK.

He obviously never intended to go through with that Poor Peoples' March thing. And he supported the Vietnam war too.

[Walk away]

233. Bernie can't find endorsements amoung the living but....

fantasizing about being endorsed by great men who have long passed, like FDR and MLK, seems to go down well with his fans! Kind of creepy but not surprising!

[Bernblu]

235. Don't need to hypothesize. I know MLK would have backed Bernie!

[Martin Eden]

237. It's just plain sad to see MLK's words intentionally distorted

The prime example at DU being substitution of the word "progressive" for "moderate"

[AgingAmerican]

240. Note: not a single Hillary supporter has said MLK would support her

Or ever attempted to show evidence of such. Not a one.

[BlueCheese]

242. That's a good thing. It'd be really presumptuous to do so.

[AgingAmerican]

245. You don't think they would if they could?

[ecstatic]

248. No, I think it's desperate, tacky, and in poor taste.

And insulting considering the context.