Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:56 AM

upaloopa (11,417 posts)

So the defense of Bernie Sanders' lack of a foreign policy is to make up shit about Hillary

Bernie gives the same speech he's given for 40 years at every venue he goes to.

I don't even need to go to one of his functions to know what he has to say. I've heard it on "brunch with Bernie" for years on Thom Hartman's radio show. I heard it in two debates so far. Probably if we had 100 more debates we would hear it 100 more times.

Free tuition
$15 per hour
Family leave
Job creation
single payer
break up big banks
the top 1% have most of the wealth
Take the country back form the oligarchs

These are all good things

What is lacking is the "how do we get there" and a foreign policy

Now in defense of the above we hear this:

Hillary is a war monger
Hillary is in bed with Wall Street
Hillary is a republican
Hillary is not progressive
Hillary is not a Democrat
Hillary is Bill Clinton II

For six months now I have been waiting for Bernie to tell me how we get there.

Maybe Bernie will get the message like he did with BLM (when he added social justice) and add to his stump speech some "how" instead of just "what."

My dread is that Bernie is like Bill McKay in the movie "The Candidate"

Bill McKay, a novice who has just won an improbable victory, turns dazedly to his campaign manager and asks, "What do we do now?"

Bernie is really no leader. He is mostly a rehearsed set of talking points.

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So the defense of Bernie Sanders' lack of a foreign policy is to make up shit about Hillary (Original post)	upaloopa	Nov 2015	OP
Somebody...	99Forever	Nov 2015	#1
To be fair, Hillary is a war monger.	morningfog	Nov 2015	#2
Let's be fair, Sanders has voted more times for military action than Hillary has, Sanders is a war	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#3
He didn't vote for disaster , IWR	bahrbearian	Nov 2015	#6
He voted to fund the Iraq war the same day he voted against the AUMF	ucrdem	Nov 2015	#9
Don't confuse them with facts	MaggieD	Nov 2015	#13
voting to defund troops in the field is reprehensible	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#26
Why do you lie and smear Hillary by calling her a warmonger?	Vattel	Nov 2015	#12
The lack of foreign affairs ability was very oblivious in the last debate, yes, Hillary is very	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#4
More War Drums Please	bahrbearian	Nov 2015	#7
Your comment does not cover the fact Sanders does not have	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#15
I much prefer that than to Hillary's "experience."	morningfog	Nov 2015	#19
I don't, Sanders has been voting to take military action and he does not	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#23
If Bernie doesn't know what he's voting for or against	RichVRichV	Nov 2015	#60
The same way I can see Bernie's lies when he voted five times against the Brady Bill.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#63
And here I thought we were talking foreign policy.	RichVRichV	Nov 2015	#64
Sanders is terrible on foreign policy, he blew the first question in the last debate, he was	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#65
You do realize those were opening remarks right?	RichVRichV	Nov 2015	#66
Sanders also	riversedge	Nov 2015	#29
Bill Clinton, George Bush, Reagan, Obama, all had less experience than Sanders.	Crystalite	Nov 2015	#72
The only President elected in the past 40 years who had foreign policy experience	Art_from_Ark	Nov 2015	#73
That's a good thing. Better than having the experience of being wrong on foreign policy so often n/	eridani	Nov 2015	#44
So say you, Sanders has been making decisions for twenty five years without	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#47
Voting no on the Iraq war shows a pretty comprehensive grasp of foreign policy. Unlike others. n/t	eridani	Nov 2015	#75
Yes he grasp on it when he voted the same day to fund the war, more for the defense	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#81
And you are against taking care of American soldiers after deployment?	eridani	Nov 2015	#82
No, she did not make the decision to put them in harm's, that was Bush's decision.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#83
And she knew that Bush would invade--assuming that she is as smart as every objector to the war--	eridani	Nov 2015	#84
Just as I can't say what you are thinking the same applies to others. Bush made the decision.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#85
You can't vote against part of a bill. Maybe Clinton has come out against the F-35?	eridani	Nov 2015	#86
Did you see the cost of the F-35 so far?	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#87
Ask yourself	silenttigersong	Nov 2015	#24
This is a question for President Barack Obama, Hillary served at the request of the president.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#34
It was indeed oblivious.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2015	#45
Must correct you on something. Bernie was speaking out for black lives before BLM	aikoaiko	Nov 2015	#5
Bernie is at once ahead of his time and representative of core Democratic values of the past.	Crystalite	Nov 2015	#70
Bernie's Foreign Policy	Lans	Nov 2015	#8
He is saying this without foreign policy experience, this would be a statement made	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#18
I've not provided any statement	Lans	Nov 2015	#30
Did you post #8?	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#32
LOL! They've moved on to something more stupid- Hillary is no longer Bill Clinton II	KittyWampus	Nov 2015	#10
Wasn't that just the most absurd thing? Are they still doing it?	NurseJackie	Nov 2015	#11
Libya, Syria, the reset with Russia, Honduras... Hillary foreign policy experience was awful!	4139	Nov 2015	#14
She has foreign affairs experience, Sanders does not have a foreign affairs policy	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#22
A conservative with a plan trumps a liberal because you say he doesn't have a plan.	DisgustipatedinCA	Nov 2015	#16
No one's making up anything about Hillary	ibegurpard	Nov 2015	#17
Why do you support a war monger?	Broward	Nov 2015	#20
I don't know about all the other folks you're talking about.	lovemydog	Nov 2015	#21
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2015	#25
just to keep things honest	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#27
Honest, I like honest.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2015	#33
ok lets take these one by one	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#37
Sanders on foreign policy.	TM99	Nov 2015	#28
He does seem to lack the dexterity needed to be Prez.	Alfresco	Nov 2015	#31
He's completely clueless in this area.	MoonRiver	Nov 2015	#56
A clueless person knew Bush was lying us into a war with Iraq.	RichVRichV	Nov 2015	#62
Hillaryspeak = Bernie has no foreign policy and doesn't get the Black vote	Rosa Luxemburg	Nov 2015	#35
I do not even have to argue this one anymore. End of November and Sanders went nowhere in the race.	seabeyond	Nov 2015	#36
So that means we can look forward	ibegurpard	Nov 2015	#39
Nope. You will have to get me five hides, again. Sigh..... ah well, that damn freedom of speech.	seabeyond	Nov 2015	#42
You get yourself your own hides by being directly rude to people.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2015	#46
Not really.	seabeyond	Nov 2015	#48
So you think you are perfectly civil and it is all a giant conspiracy to get you timeouts?	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2015	#50
Who is trying to start up something here, and who is enjoying a thread on cameras....?	seabeyond	Nov 2015	#57
um uh, you?	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2015	#61
Ive noticed that the defense of Hillary's lack of any concrete domestic policy is to make up	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2015	#38
snicker.	Hiraeth	Nov 2015	#40
"We came, we saw, he DIED." You can't make up shit like that.	cherokeeprogressive	Nov 2015	#41
A peek into her very warped psyche. nt	Bonobo	Nov 2015	#43
How much foreign policy experience did Obama have?	AgingAmerican	Nov 2015	#49
Like when he was the only member of our Govt to vote against the escalation of war or when	orpupilofnature57	Nov 2015	#51
Bernie on ISIS	peacebird	Nov 2015	#52
Bernie on Iraq	peacebird	Nov 2015	#53
Bernie on Iran	peacebird	Nov 2015	#54
Bernie Sanders refreshingly SANE foreign policy	peacebird	Nov 2015	#55
He'll say ANYTHING to get elected. I don't trust him. He'll change in office.	NurseJackie	Nov 2015	#58
Nope, he is consistent. Hillary is the weathervane in this election.	peacebird	Nov 2015	#59
I'll never believe a word he says.	NurseJackie	Nov 2015	#67
Your perogative, but he has been consitent. Hillary 'evolves' with the polls, & has reverted right	peacebird	Nov 2015	#68
His anger turns me off. I can't trust someone who has a short fuse.	NurseJackie	Nov 2015	#69
True.	bravenak	Nov 2015	#71
Nope, blatantly false.	Live and Learn	Nov 2015	#78
He did it when discussing the sanitation workers strike.	bravenak	Nov 2015	#79
Pray tell? (and a link would be nice) nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2015	#80
Project much? nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2015	#77
For the people that are against the lack of domestic policy Hillary Clinton has... this post.	Aerows	Nov 2015	#74
Hillary said 9/11 made her take the Wall Street money	jfern	Nov 2015	#76
So you can easily list Sanders policy proposals	AgingAmerican	Nov 2015	#88

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:59 AM

99Forever (14,524 posts)

1. Somebody...

...call the Whambulence.

So the defense of Bernie Sanders' lack of a foreign policy is to make up shit about Hillary

1. Somebody...

2. To be fair, Hillary is a war monger.

3. Let's be fair, Sanders has voted more times for military action than Hillary has, Sanders is a war

6. He didn't vote for disaster , IWR

9. He voted to fund the Iraq war the same day he voted against the AUMF

13. Don't confuse them with facts

26. voting to defund troops in the field is reprehensible

12. Why do you lie and smear Hillary by calling her a warmonger?

4. The lack of foreign affairs ability was very oblivious in the last debate, yes, Hillary is very

7. More War Drums Please

15. Your comment does not cover the fact Sanders does not have

19. I much prefer that than to Hillary's "experience."

23. I don't, Sanders has been voting to take military action and he does not

60. If Bernie doesn't know what he's voting for or against

63. The same way I can see Bernie's lies when he voted five times against the Brady Bill.

64. And here I thought we were talking foreign policy.

65. Sanders is terrible on foreign policy, he blew the first question in the last debate, he was

66. You do realize those were opening remarks right?

29. Sanders also

72. Bill Clinton, George Bush, Reagan, Obama, all had less experience than Sanders.

73. The only President elected in the past 40 years who had foreign policy experience

44. That's a good thing. Better than having the experience of being wrong on foreign policy so often n/

47. So say you, Sanders has been making decisions for twenty five years without

75. Voting no on the Iraq war shows a pretty comprehensive grasp of foreign policy. Unlike others. n/t

81. Yes he grasp on it when he voted the same day to fund the war, more for the defense

82. And you are against taking care of American soldiers after deployment?

83. No, she did not make the decision to put them in harm's, that was Bush's decision.

84. And she knew that Bush would invade--assuming that she is as smart as every objector to the war--

85. Just as I can't say what you are thinking the same applies to others. Bush made the decision.

86. You can't vote against part of a bill. Maybe Clinton has come out against the F-35?

87. Did you see the cost of the F-35 so far?

24. Ask yourself

34. This is a question for President Barack Obama, Hillary served at the request of the president.

45. It was indeed oblivious.

5. Must correct you on something. Bernie was speaking out for black lives before BLM

70. Bernie is at once ahead of his time and representative of core Democratic values of the past.

8. Bernie's Foreign Policy

18. He is saying this without foreign policy experience, this would be a statement made

30. I've not provided any statement

32. Did you post #8?

10. LOL! They've moved on to something more stupid- Hillary is no longer Bill Clinton II

11. Wasn't that just the most absurd thing? Are they still doing it?

14. Libya, Syria, the reset with Russia, Honduras... Hillary foreign policy experience was awful!

22. She has foreign affairs experience, Sanders does not have a foreign affairs policy

16. A conservative with a plan trumps a liberal because you say he doesn't have a plan.

17. No one's making up anything about Hillary

20. Why do you support a war monger?

21. I don't know about all the other folks you're talking about.

27. just to keep things honest

33. Honest, I like honest.

37. ok lets take these one by one

28. Sanders on foreign policy.

31. He does seem to lack the dexterity needed to be Prez.

56. He's completely clueless in this area.

62. A clueless person knew Bush was lying us into a war with Iraq.

35. Hillaryspeak = Bernie has no foreign policy and doesn't get the Black vote

36. I do not even have to argue this one anymore. End of November and Sanders went nowhere in the race.

39. So that means we can look forward

42. Nope. You will have to get me five hides, again. Sigh..... ah well, that damn freedom of speech.

46. You get yourself your own hides by being directly rude to people.

48. Not really.

50. So you think you are perfectly civil and it is all a giant conspiracy to get you timeouts?

57. Who is trying to start up something here, and who is enjoying a thread on cameras....?

61. um uh, you?

38. Ive noticed that the defense of Hillary's lack of any concrete domestic policy is to make up

40. snicker.

41. "We came, we saw, he DIED." You can't make up shit like that.

43. A peek into her very warped psyche. nt

49. How much foreign policy experience did Obama have?

51. Like when he was the only member of our Govt to vote against the escalation of war or when

52. Bernie on ISIS

53. Bernie on Iraq

54. Bernie on Iran

55. Bernie Sanders refreshingly SANE foreign policy

58. He'll say ANYTHING to get elected. I don't trust him. He'll change in office.

59. Nope, he is consistent. Hillary is the weathervane in this election.

67. I'll never believe a word he says.

68. Your perogative, but he has been consitent. Hillary 'evolves' with the polls, & has reverted right

69. His anger turns me off. I can't trust someone who has a short fuse.