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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:28 AM Nov 2015

NFL Legend, friend & confidante of Muhammad Ali, and activist , Jim Brown, endorses Hillary Clinton
























Canfield fundraiser for Hillary to feature Bill Clinton, Jim Brown, Mary Wilson of Supremes



Staff report


Tickets for a Hillary Clinton for president fundraiser Thursday featuring her husband, former President Bill Clinton, are selling well with two celebrities on the guest list, according to the event’s co-host.

Plans are being made to accommodate up to 200 people at the Canfield residence of Bruce and Rori Zoldan.

“There’s a strong demand to be in the same room and talk to President Clinton,” said Bruce Zoldan, president and chief executive officer of B.J. Alan, a Youngstown-based fireworks company, and prominent local political contributor.

“I have close friends who are Republicans who are coming,” he said. “They say that it’s an honor to be with a legendary figure like President Clinton and they want to be there.”

The event is scheduled from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m.

Attending will be former football legend Jim Brown and singer Mary Wilson of the Supremes, said Zoldan, who added other celebrities are expected to be there.

- See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/nov/15/canfield-fundraiser-hillary-feature-bill-clinton-j/#sthash.iJpQM5qT.dpuf


- See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/nov/15/canfield-fundraiser-hillary-feature-bill-clinton-j/#sthash.iJpQM5qT.dpuf
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NFL Legend, friend & confidante of Muhammad Ali, and activist , Jim Brown, endorses Hillary Clinton (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 OP
That's wonderful! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #1
You forgot to mention he was a wife beater CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #2
I knew this was coming... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #3
What did you expect ? That's it fold up the Tent !! orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #5
Except he kept having his worst moment. When he was young and when he was old. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #35
I literally couldn't care less what you think of me and Jim Brown... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #53
I have no opinion whatsoever about you. But Jim Brown is an asshole. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #55
What he did was very wrong but I am not going to ignore his social activism and place in history DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #56
If you knew new he was a wife beater then why did you post an homage to him? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #48
You don't get to lecture me. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #49
That was a question, not a lecture. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #57
It was a lecture masquerading as a question. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #61
You obviously have no defense so live with it DSB... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #62
You don't get to tell me what defense I have and what I must or must not live with it. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #64
I am pretty sure free speech is enshrined in the Constitution... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #69
You can tell me to do this and you can tell me to do that DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #72
Fair enough but why did you post an homage to a wife beater? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #74
Asked and answered DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #76
Social his social activism trumps his personal actions? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #80
I weigh the good a person does against the bad. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Nov 2015 #94
LOL, WTF, it is a public message board. Anyone can lecture you. You get feelings hurt easily. nt Logical Nov 2015 #95
Bill Cosby fit in that pile, too? demosincebirth Nov 2015 #52
What pile? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #54
I'll give it my besr shot: The pile of wife beaters and rapists. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #59
Two questions and sundry comments DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #63
I see this conversation is going no where like many of them on Du. Happy thanksgiving. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #90
(sigh!) "Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed" strikes again. DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #46
As if that diminishes his football accomplishments 6chars Nov 2015 #47
He is more recognized for his social activism DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #50
I was thrown off by the OP starting with "NFL Legend" 6chars Nov 2015 #60
I actually agree 100% with your assessment.... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #66
She gives Poetry & Platitudes, her supporters give Polls & Endorsements . It's Republican !! orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #4
I would respond in kind to your calumny against her and your insult and disrespect of me DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #7
:-) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #8
The irony DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #12
Here's a photo of Brown from back during his WWII Nazi-fighting career ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #16
He also brokered a truce between the Bloods and Crips. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #19
Donald right next to him . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #22
That was a great movie... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #28
He was creepy from the beginning, but then... *snap!* NurseJackie Nov 2015 #33
The Dirty Dozen DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #39
He was absolutely great on that movie, even when he murdered women. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #65
Which one ? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #67
OK, Lee Marvin was a bit of a dick but I don't think he beat women. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #68
None of them brokered peace between the Bloods and Crips... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #70
Yes, that's Donald Sutherland. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #30
So he talked bad about women while Jim Brown actually threw them off balconies and beat the shit CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #36
If you believe that Senator Sanders is a saint DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #41
Happy Thanksgiving orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #9
For a very brief moment, I thought you were being snookered by parody... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #10
This innocuous thread has brought out all my nemeses DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #14
" Threat " a little over the top ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #21
The path of the righteous man... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #26
That sounds like Bernie. Feel the Bern! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #40
In a way, I see this thread as primo ignore-bait. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #24
See ya . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #27
Oh, please! You? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #31
:) treestar Nov 2015 #75
Right! REMEMBER all the Killer Mike top threads?!!...oh, wait... Rose Siding Nov 2015 #18
Somebody in this thread said suggested Jim Brown is irrelevant DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #20
Who ? I've read ALL the threads, or is that part of the narrative . ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #23
Here DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #29
Exactly! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #84
BTW I just discovered a certain rapper uses the B word and the F word... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #85
I think the word you're looking for is either "hypocrisy" or "desperation" ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #86
I won't even link the lyrics lest I get a hide... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #88
As you note: a paragon of virtue. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #89
I wish I could say that I never use the b word. bravenak Nov 2015 #92
and then he went home and beat the shit out of a woman. Like John Lennon he is a poor example. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #58
John Lennon is another famous wife beater... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #73
DU rec...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #6
It doesn't ,but the satisfaction of telling the Truth is Liberating . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #25
Wow-wee AlbertCat Nov 2015 #11
Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #13
You should send that verse to Hillary. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #43
This thread is like catnip. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #45
And your post is more like stale sour grapes riversedge Nov 2015 #34
Celebrity endorsements.... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #87
Jim Brown. Impressive ally. oasis Nov 2015 #15
I'd pay to see Raquel. postulater Nov 2015 #17
I have heard of Jim Brown and seen his movies Gothmog Nov 2015 #32
Makes sense DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #44
K AND R! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #37
This is good, we are seeing lots of support, we appreciate every vote. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #38
Interesting. Although it STILL doesn't make up for Mia Farrow endorsing Sanders... KittyWampus Nov 2015 #42
I won't make up my mind until Meat Loaf announces his endorsement. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #79
Obviously, his friends didn't share Killer Mike's speech on Facebook enough 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #51
He will be helpful with illegal aliens Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #71
Bernie's chances are SLIM! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #77
Heads will be exploding. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #78
Ooo OOOOOO oooo OOOO ooo! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #81
+1 Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #82
Hey! Good post. bravenak Nov 2015 #91
Is that Raquel Welch in that last photo?? Number23 Nov 2015 #93

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. You forgot to mention he was a wife beater
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:34 AM
Nov 2015
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/comment/saraceno/2002-04-10-saraceno.htm
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Brown is old-school, which these days is considered cool. Except that he is old-school when it comes to women, and that is not a good thing in any generation. His wife, Monique, a former model, met Brown when she was 21 and he was nearly 60. She describes her personality as "very aggressive, very assertive — I'm not one to be pushed around." The 911 transcript of the night in question offers a different view:

Operator: "Monique, do you need a paramedic?"

Monique: "No. He hasn't hit me."

Operator: "He didn't hit you today?"

Monique: "Not today."

Operator: "OK. But there is a history of domestic violence, right?"

Monique: "Yes."

Operator: "And he threatened to kill you today?"

Monique: "Yes."



http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2014/09/before_ray_rice_there_was_jim.html



The Hall of Famer has long been dogged by accusations that he physically abused women. Perhaps the most notorious charge came after his football career, in 1968, when police say Brown threw model Eva Bohn-Chin off the second-floor balcony of his Los Angeles home. Charges against Brown were dropped after Bohn-Chin, who was found on the ground below the balcony, insisted she slipped. Brown did pay a small fine for hitting a deputy sheriff investigating the incident.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. I knew this was coming...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:38 AM
Nov 2015

I don't dig dirt on Bernie Sanders' celebrity endorsers. But since we are here...

A man should never hit a woman...I would go further...A man should never hit somebody who can't effectively hit back. Muhammad Ali slapped his first wife, Sonji Roi, for dressing immodestly. He almost hit his his idol, Sugar Ray Robinson, when he intervened. It's all in his autobiographical movie The Greatest. No man or woman is irredeemable and no man or woman should be judged by his worst moment.



CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
35. Except he kept having his worst moment. When he was young and when he was old.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:55 AM
Nov 2015

60 years old and beating on a woman. Fuck Jim Brown.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
55. I have no opinion whatsoever about you. But Jim Brown is an asshole.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:41 AM
Nov 2015

I question anyone who thinks what Jim Brown, renowned beater of women thinks about anything.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
56. What he did was very wrong but I am not going to ignore his social activism and place in history
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- On a sunny Sunday afternoon in early June 1967, several hundred Clevelanders crowded outside the offices of the Negro Industrial Economic union in lower University Circle. None of those gathered, including a collection of the top black athletes of that time, realized the significance of what would happen in that building on this day.

Muhammad Ali, the most polarizing figure in the country, was inside being grilled by the likes of Bill Russell, Jim Brown and Lew Alcindor, who would later change his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. They weren't interested in whether Ali was going to take his talents to South Beach or any other sports labor issues.

They wanted to know just how strong Ali stood behind his convictions as a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War. The questions flew fast and furious. Ali's answers would determine whether Brown and the other athletes would throw their support behind the heavyweight champion, who would have his title stripped from him later in the month for his refusal to enter the military

...

The core of the summit was the NIEU, later named the Black Economic Union (BEU).

The organization was co-developed by Brown in 1966, a year after he retired from the NFL to become a full-time actor. The BEU served various communities across the country, mostly in economic development. The BEU also supported education and other social issues within the black community.

The BEU and this meeting with Ali stemmed from Brown's social consciousness. For the meeting with Ali, Brown brought together other socially conscious black athletes of the time. Besides Russell, Alcindor and Davis, there was Bobby Mitchell (Washington Redskins), Sid Williams (Browns), Jim Shorter (Redskins), Walter Beach (Browns), John Wooten (Browns), Curtis McClinton (Kansas City Chiefs) and attorney Carl Stokes.

"The principal for this meeting of course was Ali,"McClinton said. "The principal of leadership for us was Jim Brown. Jim's championship leadership filtered to all of us."


http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/gathering_of_stars.html





The Watts truce was a peace agreement among rival street gangs in Los Angeles. Although not universally adhered to, the truce was a major component of the decline of street violence in the city during the 1990s. It was declared between warring gangs in the community of Watts in the days just before the 1992 Los Angeles riots. After 20 years of internecine warfare that waged across the public housing projects of Los Angeles two rival "sets" within the infamous Crips gang decided that enough was enough.

The Grape Street Crips of Jordan Downs and P Jay Crips of Imperial Courts (Bounty Hunters Bloods) Nickerson Gardens, met in the Imperial Courts Project gym to negotiate peace. Football legend and activist Jim Brown, and hip-hop artist the West Coast Rap All-Stars helped the rivals to negotiate their peace accord; the factions would go on to draft a formal peace treaty modeled on a previous ceasefire reached between Egypt and Israel. Within days, despite the raging fires in downtown, most of the black gangs in LA declared themselves at peace. This truce is no longer in effect, though it effectively reduced street violence for the better part of a decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_truce

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
48. If you knew new he was a wife beater then why did you post an homage to him?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:12 AM
Nov 2015

That is kind of fucking gross DSB.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
49. You don't get to lecture me.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:18 AM
Nov 2015
If you knew new he was a wife beater then why did you post an homage to him?

That is kind of fucking gross DSB.



Where do you get the authority to lecture me. Who the ---- are you?

I literally couldn't care less what you think of me. I wear your animus for me with pride.

I don't judge people by their worst moment. I will not ignore his fifty years of social activism because some random internet posters tells me I should.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
61. It was a lecture masquerading as a question.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015

Maybe in your rarefied milieu you run around, willy nilly, parading your self assigned moral superiority over others but I don't inhabit your rarefied milieu.

I find the notion that anybody thinks they can get an alterable response out of me incomprehensible.



Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
69. I am pretty sure free speech is enshrined in the Constitution...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:09 AM
Nov 2015

And unless my comments are alerted and then voted to be hidden I DO get to tell you what defense you do and don't have.

That doesn't mean I am right or wrong but I do get to say it. That's what this forum board is about.

And just a pro tip here: If you want to keep up the righteous indignation shtick you could tell me "Good day sir! I said good day!" in your next post.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
72. You can tell me to do this and you can tell me to do that
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:20 AM
Nov 2015

You can tell me to do this and you can tell me to do that but that doesn't mean I am going to do anything.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
76. Asked and answered
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:28 AM
Nov 2015

Asked and answered. Because of his friendship with the G.O.A.T and his social activism. That's why




CLEVELAND, Ohio -- On a sunny Sunday afternoon in early June 1967, several hundred Clevelanders crowded outside the offices of the Negro Industrial Economic union in lower University Circle. None of those gathered, including a collection of the top black athletes of that time, realized the significance of what would happen in that building on this day.

Muhammad Ali, the most polarizing figure in the country, was inside being grilled by the likes of Bill Russell, Jim Brown and Lew Alcindor, who would later change his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. They weren't interested in whether Ali was going to take his talents to South Beach or any other sports labor issues.

They wanted to know just how strong Ali stood behind his convictions as a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War. The questions flew fast ]and furious. Ali's answers would determine whether Brown and the other athletes would throw their support behind the heavyweight champion, who would have his title stripped from him later in the month for his refusal to enter the military

...

The core of the summit was the NIEU, later named the Black Economic Union (BEU).

The organization was co-developed by Brown in 1966, a year after he retired from the NFL to become a full-time actor. The BEU served various communities across the country, mostly in economic development. The BEU also supported education and other social issues within the black community.

The BEU and this meeting with Ali stemmed from Brown's social consciousness. For the meeting with Ali, Brown brought together other socially conscious black athletes of the time. Besides Russell, Alcindor and Davis, there was Bobby Mitchell (Washington Redskins), Sid Williams (Browns), Jim Shorter (Redskins), Walter Beach (Browns), John Wooten (Browns), Curtis McClinton (Kansas City Chiefs) and attorney Carl Stokes.

"The principal for this meeting of course was Ali,"McClinton said. "The principal of leadership for us was Jim Brown. Jim's championship leadership filtered to all of us."

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/gathering_of_stars.html








The Watts truce was a peace agreement among rival street gangs in Los Angeles. Although not universally adhered to, the truce was a major component of the decline of street violence in the city during the 1990s. It was declared between warring gangs in the community of Watts in the days just before the 1992 Los Angeles riots. After 20 years of internecine warfare that waged across the public housing projects of Los Angeles two rival "sets" within the infamous Crips gang decided that enough was enough.

The Grape Street Crips of Jordan Downs and P Jay Crips of Imperial Courts (Bounty Hunters Bloods) Nickerson Gardens, met in the Imperial Courts Project gym to negotiate peace. Football legend and activist Jim Brown, and hip-hop artist the West Coast Rap All-Stars helped the rivals to negotiate their peace accord; the factions would go on to draft a formal peace treaty modeled on a previous ceasefire reached between Egypt and Israel. Within days, despite the raging fires in downtown, most of the black gangs in LA declared themselves at peace. This truce is no longer in effect, though it effectively reduced street violence for the better part of a decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_truce




Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
80. Social his social activism trumps his personal actions?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:38 AM
Nov 2015

I am not mocking if that's the case. I was just wondering. Because honestly I didn't know Jim Brown was a wife beater prior to this thread. You did. That's why I was so curious you went ahead with it.

Pretty brave considering being a wife beater on DU is met with such scorn.

Why is Jim Brown immune to such scorn though?

Is supporting Clinton an immunization against such a thing?

Are all sins forgiven if you support the Right candidate?

These are actual honest questions that puzzle me. But as Obama said we are in "silly season".

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
83. I weigh the good a person does against the bad.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:46 AM
Nov 2015

If some poster made a myriad of inane posts and a few stellar ones I would take both into consideration.

Why is that such a hard principle to wrap one's head around?


BTW, objectifying women and gratuitously glorifying violence used to be verboten on this board too until a famous "objectifier" and violence "glorifier" became an acolyte of the Chosen One, go figure...

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #83)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
63. Two questions and sundry comments
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:54 AM
Nov 2015

Question one

If you think so little of me why did you appropriate my handle?

If I thought as little of you as you obviously think of me I wouldn't have appropriated your handle.


The pile of wife beaters and rapists.


Does Bill Cosby equal/does not equal Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
50. He is more recognized for his social activism
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:24 AM
Nov 2015


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- On a sunny Sunday afternoon in early June 1967, several hundred Clevelanders crowded outside the offices of the Negro Industrial Economic union in lower University Circle. None of those gathered, including a collection of the top black athletes of that time, realized the significance of what would happen in that building on this day.

Muhammad Ali, the most polarizing figure in the country, was inside being grilled by the likes of Bill Russell, Jim Brown and Lew Alcindor, who would later change his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. They weren't interested in whether Ali was going to take his talents to South Beach or any other sports labor issues.

They wanted to know just how strong Ali stood behind his convictions as a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War. The questions flew fast and furious. Ali's answers would determine whether Brown and the other athletes would throw their support behind the heavyweight champion, who would have his title stripped from him later in the month for his refusal to enter the military

...

The core of the summit was the NIEU, later named the Black Economic Union (BEU).

The organization was co-developed by Brown in 1966, a year after he retired from the NFL to become a full-time actor. The BEU served various communities across the country, mostly in economic development. The BEU also supported education and other social issues within the black community.

The BEU and this meeting with Ali stemmed from Brown's social consciousness. For the meeting with Ali, Brown brought together other socially conscious black athletes of the time. Besides Russell, Alcindor and Davis, there was Bobby Mitchell (Washington Redskins), Sid Williams (Browns), Jim Shorter (Redskins), Walter Beach (Browns), John Wooten (Browns), Curtis McClinton (Kansas City Chiefs) and attorney Carl Stokes.

"The principal for this meeting of course was Ali,"McClinton said. "The principal of leadership for us was Jim Brown. Jim's championship leadership filtered to all of us."


http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/gathering_of_stars.html





The Watts truce was a peace agreement among rival street gangs in Los Angeles. Although not universally adhered to, the truce was a major component of the decline of street violence in the city during the 1990s. It was declared between warring gangs in the community of Watts in the days just before the 1992 Los Angeles riots. After 20 years of internecine warfare that waged across the public housing projects of Los Angeles two rival "sets" within the infamous Crips gang decided that enough was enough.

The Grape Street Crips of Jordan Downs and P Jay Crips of Imperial Courts (Bounty Hunters Bloods) Nickerson Gardens, met in the Imperial Courts Project gym to negotiate peace.[1] Football legend and activist Jim Brown, and hip-hop artist the West Coast Rap All-Stars helped the rivals to negotiate their peace accord; the factions would go on to draft a formal peace treaty modeled on a previous ceasefire reached between Egypt and Israel. Within days, despite the raging fires in downtown, most of the black gangs in LA declared themselves at peace. This truce is no longer in effect, though it effectively reduced street violence for the better part of a decade.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_truce



6chars

(3,967 posts)
60. I was thrown off by the OP starting with "NFL Legend"
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015

Also thrown off by Wikipedia. But whatever. Hooray for his social activism, boo for his spousal abuse, rah rah for his football career.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
66. I actually agree 100% with your assessment....
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:59 AM
Nov 2015
Also thrown off by Wikipedia. But whatever. Hooray for his social activism, boo for his spousal abuse, rah rah for his football career.


But like Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Bill Russell, their prowess in athletics afforded them the celebrity to be noticed for their social activism. They also should be lauded for risking their celebrity and all the perquisites celebrity entails to become socially active.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. I would respond in kind to your calumny against her and your insult and disrespect of me
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:54 AM
Nov 2015
She gives Poetry & Platitudes, her supporters give Polls & Endorsements . It's Republican !!!



I would respond in kind to your calumny against her and your insult and disrespect of me but it would result in a hide or worse. That being said, I will leave it to your fertile imagination to divine what my response would have been.

Have a Thanksgiving


Love,
DemocratSinceBirth

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. The irony
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:05 AM
Nov 2015

One can do a search...

When Killer Mike endorsed Bernie Sanders other posters criticized him for his misogynistic lyrics and rappin about the guns. I demurred and said that's not uncommon for the genre... Yet the first post out of the jump was to dig up dirt on Jim Brown.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. He was creepy from the beginning, but then... *snap!*
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:52 AM
Nov 2015

It's amazing how a single role can be such a strong and memorable one that it shapes your view of that person from that point forward. (Another one is the actress who portrayed Nurse Ratchet in Cuckoo's Nest.)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
39. The Dirty Dozen
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:58 AM
Nov 2015
The Dirty Dozen (1967)

War porn would be the most charitable way to describe Robert Aldrich's World War II revenge fantasy. It's pure 60s cinema too, oozing with anti-authoritarianism in almost each and every interaction. Hell, a third of the movie is the dozen learning to work together against allied troops in a drawn out war game as a precondition to depart for their secret errand. Brown plays Robert Jefferson, one of the 12 (obviously) convicted criminals tabbed for a suicide mission into Nazi-occupied France.

Because everything in a 1967 film had to have some kind of obvious political undercurrent, Brown's character has been sentenced to death for, you guessed it, manslaughter in a racial scuff that the court labeled as murder. He and Charles Bronson are the two convicts that blur the lines between good and bad, unlike Telly Savalas' rapist.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/2/18/3998260/jim-brown-cleveland-browns-acting-career-best-movies

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
65. He was absolutely great on that movie, even when he murdered women.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:58 AM
Nov 2015

too bad he was an asshole in real life unlike so many of his co stars.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
67. Which one ?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:02 AM
Nov 2015

Jim Brown is really the only actor I know information about from that movie independent of his active career.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
68. OK, Lee Marvin was a bit of a dick but I don't think he beat women.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:07 AM
Nov 2015

Donald Sutherland is a great liberal and never beat a woman. John Cassavetes was famous for his great relationship with his wife Gena Rowlands, I never heard any shit about Telly Savalas and women or Trini Lopez, Robert Ryan, Richard Jaekel, Clint Walker or George Kennedy.

As far as I know Jim Brown was the only cast member who beat the shit out of women. More than once.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
70. None of them brokered peace between the Bloods and Crips...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

None of them brokered peace between the Bloods and Crips either and presumably saved hundred of lives either so we have to weigh the good people do against the bad.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
36. So he talked bad about women while Jim Brown actually threw them off balconies and beat the shit
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:56 AM
Nov 2015

out of them. Yeah, I can see the valid comparison right there. Uh huh.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
41. If you believe that Senator Sanders is a saint
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:01 AM
Nov 2015

If you believe that Senator Sanders is a saint and all his supporters are angels there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. Uh huh.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. For a very brief moment, I thought you were being snookered by parody...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:04 AM
Nov 2015

... and taken-in by an outrageous caricature. I see I was mistaken. And that adds to my amusement. (But rest assured, I'm not laughing at you.)

Happy Thanksgiving, DSB!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. This innocuous thread has brought out all my nemeses
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:09 AM
Nov 2015
But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.”
1 Peter 3:14 |

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
26. The path of the righteous man...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:33 AM
Nov 2015
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children...


-Ezekiel 25:17

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
24. In a way, I see this thread as primo ignore-bait.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:33 AM
Nov 2015

The worst of the worst always can never resist to show their true selves. I avoid using ignore for folks who are merely disagreeable, repetitive or banal. It should be reserved for special occasions only.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
31. Oh, please! You?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:48 AM
Nov 2015

No. Not even close! You're quite mild.

I think you have a long way to go before you're able to qualify in that competition.

But don't give up hope! Follow your dreams! Keep trying and one day you may get there!

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
18. Right! REMEMBER all the Killer Mike top threads?!!...oh, wait...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:14 AM
Nov 2015

So settle down. EVERYONE loves when the candidate is endorsed. Hillary just gets them more frequently. Deal.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. Somebody in this thread said suggested Jim Brown is irrelevant
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:26 AM
Nov 2015


I see towering figures in this photo that was taken at a summit convened by Muhammad Ali to discuss his opposition to the Vietnam War and his plans going forward.




DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
85. BTW I just discovered a certain rapper uses the B word and the F word...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:27 PM
Nov 2015

BTW I just discovered a certain rapper uses the B word and the F* word, the latter word will get you PPRed here in a New York minute and the former word will get you put on thin ice.

Yet he is held out as a paragon of virtue on this board...

Why do folks have strict standards for some and lax standards for others?


Isn't that a form of discrimination?

*not f--- of course, but f-----



NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
86. I think the word you're looking for is either "hypocrisy" or "desperation" ...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:32 PM
Nov 2015

... I'm not sure which is most appropriate or more accurate. (But one thing I am sure of is that neither one is good news or a positive indicator for Bernie's chances.)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
88. I won't even link the lyrics lest I get a hide...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

A lot of the f----- word, a lot of the b---- word, and a lot of talking about s------g on people and beating them up,wow!


I prefer lyrics which lift folks up:

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
92. I wish I could say that I never use the b word.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:57 PM
Nov 2015

But me and my best friend use it like it's our names. My mom too. Sister too.
Plus we all do hardcore rap too. But somehow, we forgot about Killer Mike until my husband told me he was on an outcast album once and won a grammy. He went on and on but that's all I got out of the convo.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
58. and then he went home and beat the shit out of a woman. Like John Lennon he is a poor example.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:47 AM
Nov 2015

Men who beat women are scum. Especially men who are as physically powerful as Jim fucking Brown.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
73. John Lennon is another famous wife beater...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:22 AM
Nov 2015

And the Beatles rolled a drunk guy during their Hamburg days.

But again I must weigh the good they did against the bad they did...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. Thank you.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:06 AM
Nov 2015
Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers.
Psalm 1:1

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
43. You should send that verse to Hillary.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

Tell her walking in step with Wall Street is not the best way to show one's morality.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
45. This thread is like catnip.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:07 AM
Nov 2015

I swear to dog that I never thought an innocuous thread on Thanksgiving morning could get so much traction.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
87. Celebrity endorsements....
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

..... for anyone....

meh...

But people from my Jr High years....

Meh meh.....

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
44. Makes sense
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:05 AM
Nov 2015
Jim Brown (born February 17, 1936) is a retired American professional football player who has also made his mark as an actor and social activist. He is best known for his exceptional and record-setting nine-year career as a running back for the NFL Cleveland Browns from 1957 to 1965. He is universally acclaimed as one of the best running backs of all time, and in 2002 was named by The Sporting News as the greatest professional football player ever. Sportswriter Bert Randolph Sugar named Brown #1 in his book The Greatest Athletes of All Time.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jim_Brown
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
91. Hey! Good post.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:54 PM
Nov 2015

Many will ignore the contributions of this black man of america in favor of a man with sexist lyrics, and totally attack you and him. Pay them no attention. Everyone is a mix of bad and good.

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