2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNFL Legend, friend & confidante of Muhammad Ali, and activist , Jim Brown, endorses Hillary Clinton
Staff report
Tickets for a Hillary Clinton for president fundraiser Thursday featuring her husband, former President Bill Clinton, are selling well with two celebrities on the guest list, according to the events co-host.
Plans are being made to accommodate up to 200 people at the Canfield residence of Bruce and Rori Zoldan.
Theres a strong demand to be in the same room and talk to President Clinton, said Bruce Zoldan, president and chief executive officer of B.J. Alan, a Youngstown-based fireworks company, and prominent local political contributor.
I have close friends who are Republicans who are coming, he said. They say that its an honor to be with a legendary figure like President Clinton and they want to be there.
The event is scheduled from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m.
Attending will be former football legend Jim Brown and singer Mary Wilson of the Supremes, said Zoldan, who added other celebrities are expected to be there.
- See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/nov/15/canfield-fundraiser-hillary-feature-bill-clinton-j/#sthash.iJpQM5qT.dpuf
- See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/nov/15/canfield-fundraiser-hillary-feature-bill-clinton-j/#sthash.iJpQM5qT.dpuf
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)\
Brown is old-school, which these days is considered cool. Except that he is old-school when it comes to women, and that is not a good thing in any generation. His wife, Monique, a former model, met Brown when she was 21 and he was nearly 60. She describes her personality as "very aggressive, very assertive I'm not one to be pushed around." The 911 transcript of the night in question offers a different view:
Operator: "Monique, do you need a paramedic?"
Monique: "No. He hasn't hit me."
Operator: "He didn't hit you today?"
Monique: "Not today."
Operator: "OK. But there is a history of domestic violence, right?"
Monique: "Yes."
Operator: "And he threatened to kill you today?"
Monique: "Yes."
http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2014/09/before_ray_rice_there_was_jim.html
The Hall of Famer has long been dogged by accusations that he physically abused women. Perhaps the most notorious charge came after his football career, in 1968, when police say Brown threw model Eva Bohn-Chin off the second-floor balcony of his Los Angeles home. Charges against Brown were dropped after Bohn-Chin, who was found on the ground below the balcony, insisted she slipped. Brown did pay a small fine for hitting a deputy sheriff investigating the incident.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't dig dirt on Bernie Sanders' celebrity endorsers. But since we are here...
A man should never hit a woman...I would go further...A man should never hit somebody who can't effectively hit back. Muhammad Ali slapped his first wife, Sonji Roi, for dressing immodestly. He almost hit his his idol, Sugar Ray Robinson, when he intervened. It's all in his autobiographical movie The Greatest. No man or woman is irredeemable and no man or woman should be judged by his worst moment.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)60 years old and beating on a woman. Fuck Jim Brown.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)I question anyone who thinks what Jim Brown, renowned beater of women thinks about anything.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Muhammad Ali, the most polarizing figure in the country, was inside being grilled by the likes of Bill Russell, Jim Brown and Lew Alcindor, who would later change his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. They weren't interested in whether Ali was going to take his talents to South Beach or any other sports labor issues.
They wanted to know just how strong Ali stood behind his convictions as a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War. The questions flew fast and furious. Ali's answers would determine whether Brown and the other athletes would throw their support behind the heavyweight champion, who would have his title stripped from him later in the month for his refusal to enter the military
...
The core of the summit was the NIEU, later named the Black Economic Union (BEU).
The organization was co-developed by Brown in 1966, a year after he retired from the NFL to become a full-time actor. The BEU served various communities across the country, mostly in economic development. The BEU also supported education and other social issues within the black community.
The BEU and this meeting with Ali stemmed from Brown's social consciousness. For the meeting with Ali, Brown brought together other socially conscious black athletes of the time. Besides Russell, Alcindor and Davis, there was Bobby Mitchell (Washington Redskins), Sid Williams (Browns), Jim Shorter (Redskins), Walter Beach (Browns), John Wooten (Browns), Curtis McClinton (Kansas City Chiefs) and attorney Carl Stokes.
"The principal for this meeting of course was Ali,"McClinton said. "The principal of leadership for us was Jim Brown. Jim's championship leadership filtered to all of us."
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/gathering_of_stars.html
The Watts truce was a peace agreement among rival street gangs in Los Angeles. Although not universally adhered to, the truce was a major component of the decline of street violence in the city during the 1990s. It was declared between warring gangs in the community of Watts in the days just before the 1992 Los Angeles riots. After 20 years of internecine warfare that waged across the public housing projects of Los Angeles two rival "sets" within the infamous Crips gang decided that enough was enough.
The Grape Street Crips of Jordan Downs and P Jay Crips of Imperial Courts (Bounty Hunters Bloods) Nickerson Gardens, met in the Imperial Courts Project gym to negotiate peace. Football legend and activist Jim Brown, and hip-hop artist the West Coast Rap All-Stars helped the rivals to negotiate their peace accord; the factions would go on to draft a formal peace treaty modeled on a previous ceasefire reached between Egypt and Israel. Within days, despite the raging fires in downtown, most of the black gangs in LA declared themselves at peace. This truce is no longer in effect, though it effectively reduced street violence for the better part of a decade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_truce
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)That is kind of fucking gross DSB.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That is kind of fucking gross DSB.
Where do you get the authority to lecture me. Who the ---- are you?
I literally couldn't care less what you think of me. I wear your animus for me with pride.
I don't judge people by their worst moment. I will not ignore his fifty years of social activism because some random internet posters tells me I should.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Maybe in your rarefied milieu you run around, willy nilly, parading your self assigned moral superiority over others but I don't inhabit your rarefied milieu.
I find the notion that anybody thinks they can get an alterable response out of me incomprehensible.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)And unless my comments are alerted and then voted to be hidden I DO get to tell you what defense you do and don't have.
That doesn't mean I am right or wrong but I do get to say it. That's what this forum board is about.
And just a pro tip here: If you want to keep up the righteous indignation shtick you could tell me "Good day sir! I said good day!" in your next post.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You can tell me to do this and you can tell me to do that but that doesn't mean I am going to do anything.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Asked and answered. Because of his friendship with the G.O.A.T and his social activism. That's why
Muhammad Ali, the most polarizing figure in the country, was inside being grilled by the likes of Bill Russell, Jim Brown and Lew Alcindor, who would later change his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. They weren't interested in whether Ali was going to take his talents to South Beach or any other sports labor issues.
They wanted to know just how strong Ali stood behind his convictions as a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War. The questions flew fast ]and furious. Ali's answers would determine whether Brown and the other athletes would throw their support behind the heavyweight champion, who would have his title stripped from him later in the month for his refusal to enter the military
...
The core of the summit was the NIEU, later named the Black Economic Union (BEU).
The organization was co-developed by Brown in 1966, a year after he retired from the NFL to become a full-time actor. The BEU served various communities across the country, mostly in economic development. The BEU also supported education and other social issues within the black community.
The BEU and this meeting with Ali stemmed from Brown's social consciousness. For the meeting with Ali, Brown brought together other socially conscious black athletes of the time. Besides Russell, Alcindor and Davis, there was Bobby Mitchell (Washington Redskins), Sid Williams (Browns), Jim Shorter (Redskins), Walter Beach (Browns), John Wooten (Browns), Curtis McClinton (Kansas City Chiefs) and attorney Carl Stokes.
"The principal for this meeting of course was Ali,"McClinton said. "The principal of leadership for us was Jim Brown. Jim's championship leadership filtered to all of us."
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/gathering_of_stars.html
The Grape Street Crips of Jordan Downs and P Jay Crips of Imperial Courts (Bounty Hunters Bloods) Nickerson Gardens, met in the Imperial Courts Project gym to negotiate peace. Football legend and activist Jim Brown, and hip-hop artist the West Coast Rap All-Stars helped the rivals to negotiate their peace accord; the factions would go on to draft a formal peace treaty modeled on a previous ceasefire reached between Egypt and Israel. Within days, despite the raging fires in downtown, most of the black gangs in LA declared themselves at peace. This truce is no longer in effect, though it effectively reduced street violence for the better part of a decade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_truce
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I am not mocking if that's the case. I was just wondering. Because honestly I didn't know Jim Brown was a wife beater prior to this thread. You did. That's why I was so curious you went ahead with it.
Pretty brave considering being a wife beater on DU is met with such scorn.
Why is Jim Brown immune to such scorn though?
Is supporting Clinton an immunization against such a thing?
Are all sins forgiven if you support the Right candidate?
These are actual honest questions that puzzle me. But as Obama said we are in "silly season".
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If some poster made a myriad of inane posts and a few stellar ones I would take both into consideration.
Why is that such a hard principle to wrap one's head around?
BTW, objectifying women and gratuitously glorifying violence used to be verboten on this board too until a famous "objectifier" and violence "glorifier" became an acolyte of the Chosen One, go figure...
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Logical
(22,457 posts)demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)As you are my namesake I am especially interested in your answer.
Thank you in advance.
demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Question one
If you think so little of me why did you appropriate my handle?
If I thought as little of you as you obviously think of me I wouldn't have appropriated your handle.
Does Bill Cosby equal/does not equal Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown?
demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,791 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Muhammad Ali, the most polarizing figure in the country, was inside being grilled by the likes of Bill Russell, Jim Brown and Lew Alcindor, who would later change his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. They weren't interested in whether Ali was going to take his talents to South Beach or any other sports labor issues.
They wanted to know just how strong Ali stood behind his convictions as a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War. The questions flew fast and furious. Ali's answers would determine whether Brown and the other athletes would throw their support behind the heavyweight champion, who would have his title stripped from him later in the month for his refusal to enter the military
...
The core of the summit was the NIEU, later named the Black Economic Union (BEU).
The organization was co-developed by Brown in 1966, a year after he retired from the NFL to become a full-time actor. The BEU served various communities across the country, mostly in economic development. The BEU also supported education and other social issues within the black community.
The BEU and this meeting with Ali stemmed from Brown's social consciousness. For the meeting with Ali, Brown brought together other socially conscious black athletes of the time. Besides Russell, Alcindor and Davis, there was Bobby Mitchell (Washington Redskins), Sid Williams (Browns), Jim Shorter (Redskins), Walter Beach (Browns), John Wooten (Browns), Curtis McClinton (Kansas City Chiefs) and attorney Carl Stokes.
"The principal for this meeting of course was Ali,"McClinton said. "The principal of leadership for us was Jim Brown. Jim's championship leadership filtered to all of us."
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/gathering_of_stars.html
The Grape Street Crips of Jordan Downs and P Jay Crips of Imperial Courts (Bounty Hunters Bloods) Nickerson Gardens, met in the Imperial Courts Project gym to negotiate peace.[1] Football legend and activist Jim Brown, and hip-hop artist the West Coast Rap All-Stars helped the rivals to negotiate their peace accord; the factions would go on to draft a formal peace treaty modeled on a previous ceasefire reached between Egypt and Israel. Within days, despite the raging fires in downtown, most of the black gangs in LA declared themselves at peace. This truce is no longer in effect, though it effectively reduced street violence for the better part of a decade.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_truce
6chars
(3,967 posts)Also thrown off by Wikipedia. But whatever. Hooray for his social activism, boo for his spousal abuse, rah rah for his football career.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But like Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Bill Russell, their prowess in athletics afforded them the celebrity to be noticed for their social activism. They also should be lauded for risking their celebrity and all the perquisites celebrity entails to become socially active.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I would respond in kind to your calumny against her and your insult and disrespect of me but it would result in a hide or worse. That being said, I will leave it to your fertile imagination to divine what my response would have been.
Have a Thanksgiving
Love,
DemocratSinceBirth
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)One can do a search...
When Killer Mike endorsed Bernie Sanders other posters criticized him for his misogynistic lyrics and rappin about the guns. I demurred and said that's not uncommon for the genre... Yet the first post out of the jump was to dig up dirt on Jim Brown.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Telly Savalas - very sick guy in that movie though
Charles Bronson
Lee Marvin
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's amazing how a single role can be such a strong and memorable one that it shapes your view of that person from that point forward. (Another one is the actress who portrayed Nurse Ratchet in Cuckoo's Nest.)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)War porn would be the most charitable way to describe Robert Aldrich's World War II revenge fantasy. It's pure 60s cinema too, oozing with anti-authoritarianism in almost each and every interaction. Hell, a third of the movie is the dozen learning to work together against allied troops in a drawn out war game as a precondition to depart for their secret errand. Brown plays Robert Jefferson, one of the 12 (obviously) convicted criminals tabbed for a suicide mission into Nazi-occupied France.
Because everything in a 1967 film had to have some kind of obvious political undercurrent, Brown's character has been sentenced to death for, you guessed it, manslaughter in a racial scuff that the court labeled as murder. He and Charles Bronson are the two convicts that blur the lines between good and bad, unlike Telly Savalas' rapist.
http://www.sbnation.com/2013/2/18/3998260/jim-brown-cleveland-browns-acting-career-best-movies
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)too bad he was an asshole in real life unlike so many of his co stars.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Jim Brown is really the only actor I know information about from that movie independent of his active career.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Donald Sutherland is a great liberal and never beat a woman. John Cassavetes was famous for his great relationship with his wife Gena Rowlands, I never heard any shit about Telly Savalas and women or Trini Lopez, Robert Ryan, Richard Jaekel, Clint Walker or George Kennedy.
As far as I know Jim Brown was the only cast member who beat the shit out of women. More than once.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)None of them brokered peace between the Bloods and Crips either and presumably saved hundred of lives either so we have to weigh the good people do against the bad.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's a publicity still from the movie "The Dirty Dozen".
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)out of them. Yeah, I can see the valid comparison right there. Uh huh.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If you believe that Senator Sanders is a saint and all his supporters are angels there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. Uh huh.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)All due respect, I did not insult you personally, but collectively " Supporters " .
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and taken-in by an outrageous caricature. I see I was mistaken. And that adds to my amusement. (But rest assured, I'm not laughing at you.)
Happy Thanksgiving, DSB!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)1 Peter 3:14 |
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-Ezekiel 25:17
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The worst of the worst always can never resist to show their true selves. I avoid using ignore for folks who are merely disagreeable, repetitive or banal. It should be reserved for special occasions only.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)No. Not even close! You're quite mild.
I think you have a long way to go before you're able to qualify in that competition.
But don't give up hope! Follow your dreams! Keep trying and one day you may get there!
treestar
(82,383 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)So settle down. EVERYONE loves when the candidate is endorsed. Hillary just gets them more frequently. Deal.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I see towering figures in this photo that was taken at a summit convened by Muhammad Ali to discuss his opposition to the Vietnam War and his plans going forward.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It's so..... mid 20th century....
So status quo...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)BTW I just discovered a certain rapper uses the B word and the F* word, the latter word will get you PPRed here in a New York minute and the former word will get you put on thin ice.
Yet he is held out as a paragon of virtue on this board...
Why do folks have strict standards for some and lax standards for others?
Isn't that a form of discrimination?
*not f--- of course, but f-----
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I'm not sure which is most appropriate or more accurate. (But one thing I am sure of is that neither one is good news or a positive indicator for Bernie's chances.)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)A lot of the f----- word, a lot of the b---- word, and a lot of talking about s------g on people and beating them up,wow!
I prefer lyrics which lift folks up:
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)But me and my best friend use it like it's our names. My mom too. Sister too.
Plus we all do hardcore rap too. But somehow, we forgot about Killer Mike until my husband told me he was on an outcast album once and won a grammy. He went on and on but that's all I got out of the convo.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Men who beat women are scum. Especially men who are as physically powerful as Jim fucking Brown.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And the Beatles rolled a drunk guy during their Hamburg days.
But again I must weigh the good they did against the bad they did...
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)It's so..... mid 20th century....
So status quo...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers.
Psalm 1:1
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Tell her walking in step with Wall Street is not the best way to show one's morality.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I swear to dog that I never thought an innocuous thread on Thanksgiving morning could get so much traction.
riversedge
(70,238 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)..... for anyone....
meh...
But people from my Jr High years....
Meh meh.....
oasis
(49,387 posts)Happy Thanksgiving, DemocratSinceBirth.
postulater
(5,075 posts)But not as a fund raiser for a candidate.
Gothmog
(145,278 posts)I have never heard of Killer Mike
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jim_Brown
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)"Slim!" Get it! Slim? ... Anyone?? ... Come on, people! It's funny!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Many will ignore the contributions of this black man of america in favor of a man with sexist lyrics, and totally attack you and him. Pay them no attention. Everyone is a mix of bad and good.