Who fights more for what they believe in? O'Malley, Clinton, or Sanders?

[Bread and Circus]

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Because that's what we need right now. With a Republican Senate and Republican Congress none of our candidates will be able to enact their agenda anytime soon. We need someone who can be persistent, not give up, and to lead a groundswell of national support that could actually motivate the electorate to force change.

So which candidate would believe to be that person to fight for what they believe in?

I am not talking about fighting for their own political gain or personal benefit. I am talking about fighting for principles and beliefs. Consistency. Someone you can rely on to not be swayed by money or political winds.

That is the person we need.

[daleanime]

1. Yeahup.....

[Android3.14]

2. Without mentioning any names in the OP

Even her supporters know you are talking about Bernie Sanders, because they know (they KNOW) they are unable to rely on Clinton to stand up to the money when the money challenges Democratic values.

The fact that you needn't mention her name shows just how obvious is the problem with HRC.

[Todays_Illusion]

3. The fights for leadership are led by the media, we don't even support our current President who has

and is holding up much better than capitulating Bill Clinton and I believe Bernie Sanders with his record as a legislator and no publicity from the media has certainly held up against the conservative agenda of war and denial of rights. I don't think there is any evidence Hillary will hold up, she will capitulate to the power of the money and the MSM and capitulate and compromise away anything we have left as individuals.

[moobu2]

6. No one expects Bernie Sanders will win is why they (the GOP and media) ignore him

to whatever extent they have. If that changed, and Bernie sanders was seen as a viable candidate by anyone but his worshippers, then the republicans will begin their attacks and the media will start digging and reporting on Bernie's flaws and his poll numbers will collapse. Unless something drastic happens Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Party nominee so we won't ever see much attention paid to Bernie Sanders by them.

[Todays_Illusion]

7. So you are already capitulating when not a single vote has so far been case? The media is choosing

your candidate?

[moobu2]

8. lol the media isn't choosing anybody

and if they were and were supporting your preferred candidate I bet you'd be fine with that. Corporate media "news' has relentlessly attacked Hillary Clinton for years anyway so if they're trying to pick her, they aren't doing a very good job. Matter of fact, Bernie Sanders wouldn't even have 5% if not for the media's fawning all over him so I don't buy that premise.

[Todays_Illusion]

9. That corporate media has in fact spent the last three years telling you Hillary is the only possible

choice one week than running an attack dialog the next week. Don't you see how it works? You are told you only have Hillary but that she is too flawed to be allowed to be President.

I don't know why you think the MSM is supporting Bernie, they avoid mentioning him at all. The internet is not the MSM.

[Bread and Circus]

14. I think this has had a significant impact on a broad slice of the electorate psyche. The Big Lie...

as it were.

[BootinUp]

23. So its actually you letting the MSM pick. lol. nt

[AgingAmerican]

29. So you admit that poster is right about the media then

nt

[BootinUp]

34. Nope, thats why I lol'd at the knots one must tie

themselves into to believe it.

There is not a monolithic brain running media. There are many actors and some different motivations in there even though profit is certainly the major one.

The real culprit in our politics though is ourselves.

[Todays_Illusion]

37. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. I don't think the media likes Bernie at all.

[firebrand80]

4. Who is most likely to win a fight?

Because that's what we need right now.

[Bread and Circus]

10. That is a different question for a different thread.

[MrMickeysMom]

16. Simple...

The person with a better idea who inspires voters at the polls...

Simple enough?

[PatrickforO]

27. You really think Third Way is 'fresh thinking?'

Because what I see is that since the Third Way became the establishment Democratic Party, we've lost so many seats all over the nation and at all levels that we now have fewer Democrats in office than in 1929. The Third Way has in fact nearly destroyed the Democratic Party.

It has also severely hurt this nation by acquiescing to forever war, a giant bloated domestic spying apparatus, forfeiture laws, 'free trade' agreements that have cost America millions of the kind of jobs you could raise a family on, only to be replaced by lower paying service jobs with fewer or no benefits, systematic union busting, 'law enforcement reform' and a drug war that have disproportionately penalized minorities, and 'welfare reform' that disproportionately penalizes minorities.

Sorry, but Third Way should be called Bad Way. What we need now, today, before it is too late, is a candidate who actually STANDS for something that will benefit the American people. The meme that we 'have to' support whomever is 'most likely to win' is allowing the oligarchs to steal ever more of our resources. How about we support a candidate who DOES actually stand for something that we can agree with and that will actually benefit us? How about some real leadership in challenging the unjust, unfair and unsustainable status quo?

We need a new New Deal, not more Third Way sleight of hand.

[AgingAmerican]

30. That person never, ever defends his/herself when faced with this

EVER.

Yes, the Third Way® have done much irreparable damage to the reputation the party, and are largely responsible for the GOP takeover of congress.

[ibegurpard]

5. wrong question

Hillary fights. She does whatever it takes. The question is what does she believe in? It's the answer to that that's the reason I can't support her.

[AgingAmerican]

32. "does whatever it takes" including taking both sides of issues

Which doesn't garner much voter trust.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

[Scuba]

12. Hillary.

She never stops fighting for Hillary.

[99Forever]

13. I'm more concerned with what they ACTUALLY believe in.

I'm sick and tired of being lied to by weasel politicians.

I know which candidate is honest and I can trust. The record on that is indisputable.

[Recursion]

15. O'Malley

He's had the best results of the three.

[elleng]

20. Yes he HAS!

I provided one example below.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. Key phrase: WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN...

Sanders believes people can make a difference. He stated this from the beginning, and that believe has been the basic text of every political office for which he's run.

When I announced I was going to run for president, I said it would take a political revolution for a democratic socialist from Vermont to win the presidency. A lot of pundits thought that was an acknowledgment of impossibility. It wasn't. It was a statement of what would be necessary to undo the damage that has been done and to reclaim our country from the oligarchs. The pundits and the political consultants still have a hard time understanding this. But the people get it. They are turning out by the thousands, by the tens of thousands, for our rallies. They are sending contributions of $5 or $10 because they understand that if we all give what we can then we might yet be able to beat the billionaire class.

This has been and continues to be born out by his experience in believing in what we have been saying (as DU was saying as more of a community especially during the Bush administration)... REMEMBER?

[Doctor_J]

18. Mrs Clinton doesn't believe in anything for very long, so it's hard to say

I'm also unclear why any democrat would vote for someone who wants to meet McConnell and Ryan "halfway", especially when they agree on so much to begin with.

[elleng]

19. O'Malley. What is wrong with mentioning him?

One example:

'Democratic presidential candidate and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley, appeared before residents at RiverWoods at Exeter on Nov. 23. Among the many accomplishments he made as governor was his plan to reduce gun violence. In spite of a great deal of opposition he was able to ban assault weapons. I was able to speak with Gov. O'Malley afterwards and made the point that as an emergency physician I viewed gun violence as a public health issue. He agreed that this was not about ideology this is about public health. He said that if the deaths from gun violence were instead deaths from Ebola infections there would be no question about its authenticity as a public health issue.'

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20151127/NEWS/151129489

[Bread and Circus]

21. I should have. Sorry. Added.

[elleng]

22. Thanks.

[Live and Learn]

24. Principles, beliefs, consistency = Bernie. nt

[NCTraveler]

25. O'Malley, Clinton, Sanders. Nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. Clinton. She fights damn hard for herself and the rest of the 1%.

For us? Not so much.

ETA: Given your last specifications - her principles and beliefs are that there should be a ruling class, and that she should be in it. In a couple of decades, they'll no doubt be trying to foist Chelsea off on us for President too.

[CoffeeCat]

28. Clinton fights harder than hell...

...to maintain the status quo, for Wall Street interests, for the corporations who have funneled money into her campaign, for a neocon foreign-policy that will continue prolonged war in the Middle East.

Yeah, she's a fighter all right.

She's in the wrong ring though.

[moobu2]

31. Hillary Clinton obviously.

[Fumesucker]

33. That's an easy one, Clinton fights most for what she believes in

She believes Hillary should be President and she never stops fighting for that.

[Andy823]

35. O'Malley

He has not only come out with detailed papers on how he will fix things, he also has gotten things done as mayor and governor. He walks the walk, not just talks the talk.

[elleng]

36. Thanks, Andy.

See NH JJ dinner speeches, wherein hrc touts her support for increase in minimum wage, and receives huge applause???