2016 Postmortem
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silenttigersong
(957 posts)Come on now hop on the JUSTICE AND LOVE TRAIN!You know you want to,feel the vibe!
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)20 Examples of Bernie Sanders' Powerful Record on Civil and Human Rights Since the 1950s
From fighting segregation to standing against police violence.
But the truth is, Sanders has a 50-year history of standing up for civil and minority rights, as he told the attendants of Netroots Nation after he was interrupted by Black Lives Matter protesters. Of course, it's understandable that they want to bring attention to the movement. Killings of people from Ferguson to New York City to Los Angeles to Atlanta have finally brought important issues like police brutality, systemic racism, mass incarceration and militarization of the police into the center of national dialogue.
It is up to all candidates for the presidency, including every Democrat, every Republican and independent candidates, to address these issues in a forthright manner and to do outreach and communicate with communities that are besieged by these problems. Although his events in Phoenix, Houston and Dallas, where he loudly condemned police brutality and racism were a start, Sanders owes it to pay attention to these activists and listen to the concerns of marginalized groups whose civil rights have historically been suppressed. Sanders does have a record of fighting on these issues, and it should be only natural for him to be able to comfortably address them before a diverse audience.
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But much of the criticism of Sanders seems more rooted in who he is an old white guy from Vermont than what he has done. If anything, the fact that he has done so much for civil and minority rights despite the fact that his constituency is not one that would naturally demand it speaks to his character and wide empathy that isn't shared by many politicians.
Read the article to see the 20 ways Sanders has stood up for civil and minority rights, starting in the early 1950s up to the present year if you are really interested in the truth.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)The last paragraph.... which brings it all together:
"But much of the criticism of Sanders seems more rooted in who he is an old white guy from Vermont than what he has done. If anything, the fact that he has done so much for civil and minority rights despite the fact that his constituency is not one that would naturally demand it speaks to his character and wide empathy that isn't shared by many politicians"
George II
(67,782 posts)....summary of what he's ACCOMPLISHED over those 50 years.
Yeah, I know that he said this, that, or the other, but he's running on his LEGISLATIVE record of civil rights accomplishments. That in itself should cause one to raise an eyebrow - that legislative record of accomplishments is mighty slim.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)hasn't been able to annihilate racism all on his own. Shame on him for simply trying and not accomplishing it.
George II
(67,782 posts)....during that "50-year history of standing up for civil and minority rights" starting in the early 1950s?
Anything?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And everyone, including Bernie, that stood up and demanded changes shares in those accomplishments.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)If they die of thirst, it's their own damn fault.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)After his alert-stalking stunt on that other web site.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)bernie's 50 yr history of marching, supporting and voting for civil rights and justice issues. where is your accounting of hillary's accomplishments?
now, when i look back at hillary's 50 year record, i find it begins with deep roots as a goldwater republican. when did she become a democrat? what issues brought about and impassioned her decision to become a democrat? when did she begin marching for civil rights? has she ever been arrested for such? as a senator, what was her voting record for social justice and civil rights issues?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)when she hitched up with a rising star in the Democratic Party of Arkansas.
But before Bill won the election for state attorney general in 1976, Hillary was defending Arkansas utility companies against residential rate-payers.
"Clashing interests of the well-to-do & the rest of Arkansas were in evidence in 1976 in the form of an initiative. The initiative had been launched by advocates for the poor, a group called the Association of Community Organizations for Reform (ACORN).
"With utility rates in Arkansas skyrocketing, ACORN pushed through a ballot initiative requiring utilities to lower rates for residential users in Little Rock and to increase them for business. The measure passed.
"Business fought back. The engine driving the challenge was the Rose Law Firm, which enlisted Hillary to help. Hillary could hardly decline to fight her friends, especially so early in her career. This was the by-product of Hillary's choice to join Rose. She would advocate for clients who would be on the opposite sides of the causes she had formerly championed.
"The winning brief was crafted by Hillary and a colleague. The judge embraced the theory--that the ordinance amounted to an unconstitutional taking of property."
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Corporations.htm
LiberalArkie
(19,756 posts)Similar petitions were filed by ACORN members in Fayetteville, Fort Smith, Hot Springs, and Pine Bluff, but due to legal challenges and adverse court decisions blocking the vote, only the Little Rock measure was approved for the ballot. ACORN waged an extensive campaign for approval that involved going door-to-door throughout eastern, central and southwestern Little Rock. In the last few weeks of the campaign, the utility company, particularly Arkansas Power & Light (AP&L), now Entergy, dumped tens of thousands of dollars in advertisements on television and radio in an effort to have voters reject the initiative. Despite everything, ACORN won the election with voters approving lifeline rates by a significant majority. Later court challenges by AP&L and a rural electric cooperative claimed that the cooperative had some dozen or so customers within Little Rock city limits and no large customers, whose rates would increase to compensate for the equalizing of rates which established lifeline rates, thereby making it confiscatory. The case for the utilities was famously handled by Webb Hubbell, who later became Mayor of Little Rock, and Hilary Rodham, who later as Hilary Rodham Clinton, became a United States Senator from New York, Secretary of State, and a candidate for President in addition to being First Lady while Bill Clinton was President of the United States.
ACORN in analyzing its experience with the lifeline elections in Arkansas came to the conclusion that it would never have the money to allow its members to have the kind of media voice that money had bought the utilities with a membership of lower income families. On the other hand in extensive conversations with Lorenzo Milam became convinced that there might be accessible opportunities to create a voice of the people in noncommercial, community radio. Milam, often called the father of community radio at that time was establishing a 100,000 watt station in Dallas called KCHU that was working with the Dallas chapter of ACORN. Discussions between Milam and the founder and chief organizer of ACORN, Wade Rathke, led in subsequent years to ACORN helping found the Affiliated Media Foundation Movement (AM/FM) which resuscitated a construction permit in Tampa to put WMNF on the air, reorganizing KCHU after it went dark with money and internal problems through the Agape Foundation and what is now, KNON in Dallas, and establishing the Arkansas Broadcasting Foundation (ABF) which applied for a frequency of 100,000 watts, based in Little Rock.
LiberalArkie
(19,756 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....and "50 yr history of marching........"
George II
(67,782 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Jheesh!
George II
(67,782 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)It would be nice if Skinner would share such appointments with us so we could all celebrate.
I never mentioned Clinton and have no idea what you are talking about!
PatrickforO
(15,420 posts)Honestly, I think you're splitting some hairs here, because what you seem to be saying is that Bernie isn't pure enough on civil rights, therefore I'm going to post a thread that in effect denigrates his platform now by casting aspersion on his legislative record. Also it bothers me that people downplay the courage it took to march with King and the old civil rights movement. Because those arrests could have gone south awful quick, and Bernie could have been like some others and gotten killed. That was some serious shit.
And for you and other Clinton surrogates to say, 'well what's he done lately?' and denigrate those things he did in his youth without ALSO laying out line by line, exhaustively detailed record of everything Clinton has done for civil rights is pretty self-serving to say the least. That Civil Rights march in 1963 served to apply the pressure needed to pass the Civil Rights Act. So Bernie was 22 when he marched and probably didn't get very near King. So what? He and 200,000 other people SHOWED up.
The other self-serving thing about this, George, is this: no one person is gonna be able to move the needle on institutional racism. With Clinton you'll get more of the same, because her actions in the Senate, during the 08 campaign against Obama and now in 2015 have proven, to me at least, that she cares much more about getting elected than actually upholding the interests of the common American man or woman once she is elected. Bernie is TELLING us he can't do it alone and calling for us to become involved at a much greater level - a political revolution he's calling it.
This, George, is a defective meme. It really is. The Sanders platform will benefit minorities to a greater degree than whites, though we'll all benefit. Sanders isn't Superman - we all know that. But he's the ONLY one right now speaking truth to power.
Clinton represents power.
Which do you want?
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)winning 14 elections.
That's 12 more than Clinton.
He's not an insider. The status quo doesn't always like his ideas. But, just like Clinton's record, most are "referred to committee".
Perusing back a couple of years I see Clinton got lots of NY PO's named, but poor Bernie only one in VT (less population?).
Bernie has resolutions agreed upon on things like getting clothes, toys food and housewares collected for charitable purposes on Senate grounds, and Hillary also has resolutions agreed upon, like honoring Shirley Chisholm.
Bernies has laws enacted... like:
S. 2782 (113th): A bill to amend title 36, United States Code, to improve the Federal charter for the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen. Bernard Bernie Sanders [I-VT]
Introduced: Sep 9, 2014
Referred to Committee: Sep 9, 2014
Enacted As: H.R. 5441 (113th): To amend the Federal charter of the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States to reflect the service of women in the Armed Forces of the United States.
and
S. 893 (113th): Veterans Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013
Sponsor: Sen. Bernard Bernie Sanders [I-VT]
Introduced: May 8, 2013
Enacted Signed by the President: Nov 21, 2013
Hillary too has bills and resolutions enacted:
S.Con.Res. 113 (109th): A concurrent resolution congratulating the Magen David Adom Society in Israel for achieving full membership in the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen. Hillary Clinton [D-NY, 2001-2009]
Introduced: Jul 21, 2006
Passed Senate: Aug 1, 2006
and
S. 272 (109th): Caribbean National Forest Act of 2005
Sponsor: Sen. Hillary Clinton [D-NY, 2001-2009]
Introduced: Feb 3, 2005
Passed Senate: Jul 26, 2005
Enacted As: H.R. 539 (109th): Caribbean National Forest Act of 2005
S. 211 (109th): Calling for 2-1-1 Act of 2005
Anyway.... both their records are online and you can check them out yourself.
George II
(67,782 posts)Methinks the author of that article exaggerates a wee bit.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)This is 2015, the early 1950s was about 65 years ago. Seems there are 15 years missing there. Plus, he graduated from High School in 1959 - the author said he was a high school student in the EARLY 1950s.
Seems that author is playing fast and loose with reality.
That's as far as I got in that article - too much bluster to go any further.
Still no concrete accomplishments - as J. Peterman would say in Seinfeld, "looks like a lot of words".
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Nonsense.
What do you want? A vote for war in a country who was no threat?
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)other than posting anti-Bernie drivel on these boards?
polly7
(20,582 posts)Self-admitted, and very proud of it - celebrates it with others, even. [URL=
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Free Cali.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)whathehell
(30,458 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)He recognized he had bridges to build, and he's building them. Good for him, it's the right thing to do
On edit--I am very aware of Sanders record and platform.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and are still standing. Most people who have been paying attention already know this fact.
senz
(11,945 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)in early polling.
I think that Sanders has a strong record on civil rights, but that apparently isn't enough to overcome the lead Clinton has among black and Hispanic voters.
In running for president, it's not enough to have a good record, you have to translate that into votes.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)people driving this election want us to do - they love to throw bones to the masses.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)NikolaC
(1,276 posts)ornotna
(11,462 posts)Thank you for posting.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts).... anyone of any color who is sick of a rigged game.
Kick and rec...
Paka
(2,760 posts)Great video.
1monster
(11,045 posts)It's the first time I've heard it. I'm guessing it was written for Obama.
Even thought they are not alike at all (Bernie seems full of joy, and Bobby carried so much grief), when I listen to Bernie Sanders, I'm reminded of Bobby Kennedy. They both ooze(d) empathy and compassion. And they both emmbody(ied) hope and excitement.
Someone posted recently, that only once in every generation does a great candidate come along. I don't think it is that often. Maybe once in every three or four generations. Bernie is that candidate for our era. Bobby was for an earlier era, and before him FDR.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Following the Mitt Rmney game plan is a losing strategy.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)You guys are too much.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Plastering MLK on campaign posters?
Holy shit.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Because that will backfire
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)
Number23
(24,544 posts)and not a real campaign poster.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)"People for Bernie". And organization not affiliated with the campaign.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)A lot. Much like their candidate
jfern
(5,204 posts)Cha
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Oh my God. PLEASE tell me that is some random, clueless DUer's attempt at Photoshop
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=854160
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Clueless DUers? How much mocking of this candidate and his supporters are we expected to put up with? This nastiness is making DU very unpleasant.
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Number23
(24,544 posts)but then somehow made tried to make it about "mocking" Sanders himself and his supporters instead of just one clueless person.
I said "random, clueless DUer's" and it's obvious with the placement of the apostrophe that I was talking about only one person, potentially. They made sure to take it out so that it looked like I was talking about lots of people. Just another attempt to lie and deliberately mischaracterize, a trait that seems very strong in certain quarters right now.
Yeah, "something is making DU very unpleasant," alerter. Something really is.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ok. That's it. Done!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Check out the facts first.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)That is more my line of work than his. But it does not help.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)either of these men, let alone both.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)There was some creative designs...that's it.
Stop frothing.
BTW...where the heck is she at? Seems like she's in hiding or fundraising all the time...when was her last 20,000 person rally?
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)She's not doing rallys, she's meeting with many smaller organizations and representatives of interests, like the Latino community. Different unions. This probably accounts for her continuously improving poll numbers.
Sanders campaigns big, but I think he is gaining ground at this point, courting people instead of assuming they should follow him. I believe he was surprised at his popularity in the first place
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)And I like it!
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)I want to know who the flock see as their role models for policy. Perhaps the Kissinger embrace would be the meme they would float over the head of HRC's massive crowds.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)All I'm sayin
Armstead
(47,803 posts)How fucking AWFUL.
Maybe he should be a REAL modern day "centrist" Democrat and put up Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher instead
kath
(10,565 posts)Don't forget him!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Not holding my breath though.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)And we will wait for Sanders to distance himself from the abomination. Forever.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)"It does not exist!"
"Bernie did not make that!"
"Actually, I like it!!!111"
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Somebody not affiliated with the campaign made it.
Big fucking deal.
If you want to attack Sanders, try his policy positions. I'm sure someone like you will find plenty not to like. He is a progressive, after all.
Trying to go after Sanders for a poster he had nothing to do with is just sad and pathetic.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)website. It appears to have been created by "People For Bernie". And entirely unaffiliated organization.
smiley
(1,432 posts)It's actually quite good.
Go Bernie!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)No wonder they don't mind Hillary's flip-flopping.
Another recent one is going from he'll never be able to work with the GOP to he's asking the GOP to support him and vote for him.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Oh, god I'm SHOCKED.
kath
(10,565 posts)Spin.
And when they are not doing any of that, they lie.
Or as is happening below on this thread, they just start making shit up.
Shameless.
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raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Darn Bernie. Following that Romney Wall St foot rubs strategy. Oh wait.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Go Bernie!
Go Killer Mike!
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Uncle Joe
(65,069 posts)Thanks for the thread, Segami.
senz
(11,945 posts)Thanks, Segami.
senz
(11,945 posts)One of the most uplifting threads on DU --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251684857

libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Unelectable because he was Catholic and too young,

If we keep people energized, we're in the drivers seat. BTW, I'm still watching the "Killer Mike" video. It's too good to put aside.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)Sanders appeal to people of color is minimal.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Because Many African Americans feel used by Hillary and president Obama who seem to of facilitated the 1% as much as ShrubCo .
sheshe2
(97,452 posts)worse than Bush. Got it.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You haven't gotten it for as long as you're been discussing the subject matter on this Board.
sheshe2
(97,452 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You kicked it again. How nice!
sheshe2
(97,452 posts)and at the top of the page.
I have my reasons.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Probably about time to kick that one again to remind people the lengths you go to to smear a good man.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)sure...........why not?.....
Autumn
(48,951 posts)a kick. I have my reasons too.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cui bono
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Try harder.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sheshe2
(97,452 posts)sheshe2
(97,452 posts)
Ha!!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Found it on the nets.
sheshe2
(97,452 posts)You found it on the intertubes. Good find!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)" As much " doesn't equal " Worse " unless you consider as Democrats they're supposed to champions of Democracy and not agents for corporations, Your right they are worse .
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)they are learning. And no, most don't trust Hillary.
polichick
(37,626 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Response to Segami (Original post)
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DrBulldog
(841 posts)So Killer Mike's endorsement speech - a mere five minutes long - may end up being the lightning bolt for them to realize they have a true and honest champion and have always had him as a unassuming champion for many decades. And all they have to now do is visit berniesanders.com and read his long history of fighting for the minorities in this country - and then think about it.
Crystalite
(164 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)real love and enthusiasm from the crowd.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I was told right here on this forum, by the self-appointed Voice of Black America, that Senator Sanders has absolutely no support from POC. Was I being lied to?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)positive! strengthening! inspiring! powerful!