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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:59 PM Nov 2015

THIS... Right Here... Is Why I Want Bernie Sanders Over Hillary Rodham Clinton...

We’re living in a kleptocracy: America robs from its poor — while its infrastructure crumbles
The U.S. fancies itself the world leader in clean government, even as we methodically bankrupt our disenfranchised.

Rebecca Gordon - Salon
Sunday, Nov 29, 2015 12:30 PM PST

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A top government official with energy industry holdings huddles in secret with oil company executives to work out the details of a potentially lucrative “national energy policy.” Later, that same official steers billions of government dollars to his former oil-field services company. Well-paid elected representatives act with impunity, routinely trading government contracts and other favors for millions of dollars. Meanwhile, ordinary citizens live in fear of venal police forces that suck them dry by charging fees for services, throwing them in jail when they can’t pay arbitrary fines or selling their court “debts” to private companies. Sometimes the police just take people’s life savings leaving them with no recourse whatsoever. Sometimes they steal and deal drugs on the side. Meanwhile, the country’s infrastructure crumbles. Bridges collapse, or take a quarter-century to fix after a natural disaster, or (despite millions spent) turn out not to be fixed at all. Many citizens regard their government at all levels with a weary combination of cynicism and contempt. Fundamentalist groups respond by calling for a return to religious values and the imposition of religious law.

What country is this? Could it be Nigeria or some other kleptocratic developing state? Or post-invasion Afghanistan where Ahmed Wali Karzai, CIA asset and brother of the U.S.-installed president Hamid Karzai, made many millions on the opium trade (which the U.S. was ostensibly trying to suppress), while his brother Mahmoud raked in millions more from the fraud-ridden Bank of Kabul? Or could it be Mexico, where the actions of both the government and drug cartels have created perhaps the world’s first narco-terrorist state?

In fact, everything in this list happened (and much of it is still happening) in the United States, the world leader — or so we like to think — in clean government. These days, however, according to the Corruption Perception Index of Transparency International (TI), our country comes in only 17th in the least-corrupt sweepstakes, trailing European and Scandinavian countries as well as Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. In fact, TI considers us on a par with Caribbean island nations like Barbados and the Bahamas. In the U.S., TI says, “from fraud and embezzlement charges to the failure to uphold ethical standards, there are multiple cases of corruption at the federal, state and local level.”

And here’s a reasonable bet: it’s not going to get better any time soon and it could get a lot worse. When it comes to the growth of American corruption, one of TI’s key concerns is the how the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision opened the pay-to-play floodgates of the political system, allowing Super PACs to pour billions of private and corporate money into it, sometimes in complete secrecy. Citizens United undammed the wealth of the super-rich and their enablers, allowing big donors like casino capitalist — a description that couldn’t be more literal — Sheldon Adelson to use their millions to influence government policy.

Kleptocracy USA?

Every now and then, a book changes the way you see the world. It’s like shaking a kaleidoscope and suddenly all the bits and pieces fall into a new pattern. Sarah Chayes’s Thieves of State: Why Corruption Threatens Global Security shook my kaleidoscope. Chayes traveled to Afghanistan in 2001 as a reporter for NPR. Moved by the land and people, she soon gave up reporting to devote herself to working with non-governmental organizations helping “Afghans rebuild their shattered but extraordinary country.”

In the process, she came to understand the central role government corruption plays in the collapse of nations and the rise of fundamentalist organizations like the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and the Islamic State. She also discovered just how unable (and often unwilling) American military and civilian officials were to put a stop to the thievery that characterized Afghanistan’s government at every level — from the skimming of billions in reconstruction funds at the top to the daily drumbeat of demands for bribes and “fees” from ordinary citizens seeking any kind of government service further down the chain of organized corruption. In general, writes Chayes, kleptocratic countries operate very much as pyramid schemes, with people at one level paying those at the next for the privilege of extracting money from those below.

Chayes suggests that “acute government corruption” may be a major factor “at the root” of the violent extremism now spreading across the Greater Middle East and Africa. When government robs ordinary people blind, in what she calls a “vertically integrated criminal enterprise,” the victims tend to look for justice elsewhere. When officials treat the law with criminal contempt, or when the law explicitly permits government extortion, they turn to what seem like uncorrupted systems of reprisal and redemption outside those laws. Increasingly, they look to God or God’s laws and, of course, to God’s self-proclaimed representatives. The result can be dangerously violent explosions of anger and retribution. Eruptions can take the form of the Puritan iconoclasm that rocked Catholic Europe in the sixteenth century or present-day attempts by the Taliban or the Islamic State to implement a harsh, even vindictive version of Islamic Sharia law, while attacking “unbelievers” in the territory they control.

Reading Thieves of State, it didn’t take long for my mind to wander from Kabul to Washington...

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More: http://www.salon.com/2015/11/29/were_living_in_a_kleptocracy_america_robs_from_its_poor_while_its_infrastructure_crumbles_partner/


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THIS... Right Here... Is Why I Want Bernie Sanders Over Hillary Rodham Clinton... (Original Post) WillyT Nov 2015 OP
Kicked and highly recommended read The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #1
So propose a tax increase and it will make everything better for the low Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #2
Wrong. Ill let you figure the right answer. The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #3
Has he changed his mind about the tax increase? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #4
Tax increase: ~6.50 a week for each family The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #11
A worker who would pay $6.50 does not have $1300 a month to pay Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #14
Raise the minimum wage to $15/hr and that'll more than make up the difference. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #19
Get a Congress that would even *think* of passing that bill - one that would work with him. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #53
Raise wages so we can tax them better upaloopa Nov 2015 #76
Math isn't your strong point, is it... HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #77
Guess what, Thinkingabout The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #24
There would be no premiums and no deductibles. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #40
Medicare pays $104.50 a month for Part B. There are also co-pays, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #41
All less than 1300. n/t tazkcmo Nov 2015 #49
This is also per person. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #54
Still less. Come on. The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #71
Maybe, maybe not, he still has not come up with a final figure Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #75
There wouldn't be a premium pengu Nov 2015 #43
Medicare for all? Yes there will be premiums, co pays and deductibles. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #55
Maybe you can understand in the simplest of terms LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #59
Simplest terms, yes every other country enjoys cheaper health care, in simplest terms Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #67
Yes it is not free LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #78
We have the most expensive health care and yes a lot of the cost is paid Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #79
It sounds like you're a proponent of trickle down economics. That's scary. Vinca Nov 2015 #45
You care nothing for the workers. tazkcmo Nov 2015 #47
That's why.. cannabis_flower Nov 2015 #70
There's Also The Fact That SO MANY OF US ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #64
you wouldn't complain if it was for war Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #35
+1! tecelote Nov 2015 #42
Nope. tazkcmo Nov 2015 #48
It's laughable: Bernie proposes something popular, you say Congress won't do it; he merrily Nov 2015 #7
Is that all you got out of this article? HRC is part of the corrupted Establishment. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #15
A few of the hillarians have adopted the teabaggers' mantra Doctor_J Nov 2015 #23
Oy. The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #26
It smacks of desperation. No comments on the OP article. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #28
I love your sig line. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #39
And their forum here is run like Scientology. 7962 Nov 2015 #44
Join our banned club, same thing happened to me. Then they kept commenting about Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #50
There may be one or two in the HRC side that will "make sound arguements" rhett o rick Nov 2015 #63
That group, and another from which many of its members spring hifiguy Nov 2015 #74
it doesn't work like that. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #33
One trick pony. tazkcmo Nov 2015 #46
K&R Paka Nov 2015 #5
One man's kleptocracy is another man's wealth management. Octafish Nov 2015 #6
But it's always an honest man's kleptocracy and a crook's wealth management Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #8
The not surprising result of Reagan's "clever" comment salib Nov 2015 #9
Reagan said government was the problem and he proved it. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #16
HRC And The 1% Serve The 1% - The 99% Be Damned cantbeserious Nov 2015 #10
+100 eom Karma13612 Nov 2015 #13
And they have convinced their "followers" to blindly trust them as they loot the 99%. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #18
Thats the weird part to me GummyBearz Nov 2015 #66
The below link provides my thoughts. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #68
All of this. hifiguy Nov 2015 #27
This is practically institutionalized Hydra Nov 2015 #12
Yep... We've Been Screwn For Some Time Now... WillyT Nov 2015 #17
Great post. I notice none of the anti-progressives have stepped forwar to rhett o rick Nov 2015 #20
LOL !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #21
Refute? ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2015 #61
It's really a very simple and scary picture for me, in spite of our corrupt media. DrBulldog Nov 2015 #22
I agree that if Clinton gets elected it will set the Populist Movement back a bit, but it won't rhett o rick Nov 2015 #25
Don't worry, the energy that is pushing this primary toward outsiders didn't come from nowhere Hydra Nov 2015 #32
Always good to have your excuses lined up before voting starts... brooklynite Nov 2015 #52
Great article. Thanks for posting. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #29
Hillary Antithetical To Democracy billhicks76 Nov 2015 #30
Total K & R! SoapBox Nov 2015 #31
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #34
kick and rec love_katz Nov 2015 #36
Huge K & R !!! Thespian2 Nov 2015 #37
We need a few thousand Robin Hoods to even the score!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #38
200K for a speech = kleptocrat. Helen Borg Nov 2015 #51
It really is that simple. hifiguy Nov 2015 #72
K&R The only thing worse than not working, in my book, is doing bad work. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #56
"When officials treat the law with criminal contempt . . ." Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #57
K & R AzDar Nov 2015 #58
Great post WillyT. Keep up the great work. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #60
WE ARE ON THE VERGE Of Losing What We've Known As ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #62
More than one expert believe we have already lost it. When the 1% can buy elections rhett o rick Nov 2015 #65
And Jimmy Carter is one of them. hifiguy Nov 2015 #73
I Meant To Get Back To You Yesterday, BUT ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #80
Allow Me, ChiciB1 !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #81
Thank You So Very MUCH! Only Doing What WE ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #82
Thanks For Your Kindness... Don't Forget To Get Young People And Social Media Invloved... WillyT Dec 2015 #83
Bernie certainly gets this Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #69

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. So propose a tax increase and it will make everything better for the low
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:05 PM
Nov 2015

Wage earner. Nope, it will mean less money in their pocket.

 
11. Tax increase: ~6.50 a week for each family
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:51 PM
Nov 2015

vs 1300+ premiums paid every month for a family of 4 (or more).

You keep the $1300 A MONTH.

Bernie's wage plan will cover that and MORE.



Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. A worker who would pay $6.50 does not have $1300 a month to pay
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

A premium and taking $6.50 would really be hurting them.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
53. Get a Congress that would even *think* of passing that bill - one that would work with him.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:24 AM
Nov 2015

Good luck with that.

What astounds me is, Sanders supporters actually believe, are even convinced, that Bernie Sanders can make a national $15 p/hr minimum happen. Or free public college. Or break up the banks. Or Medicare-for-all. Uh huh. Pie. In. The. Sky.

I ask Sanders supporters, considering the above are all domestic policy which falls under purview of Congress' constitutional powers...with what Congress can a President Sanders get any of those through? He ain't got NO friends amongst Democrats, and he certainly won't get any Republican cooperation there.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
40. There would be no premiums and no deductibles.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:02 AM
Nov 2015

That's why it would be "Medicare for all" or single-payer.

You may pay about $2-$6 more a week in taxes, but you would not longer have to pay your share of your employers premium and would no longer have the $20-$45 a visit deductible.

Poor and middle class people would save a TREMENDOUS amount of money!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
41. Medicare pays $104.50 a month for Part B. There are also co-pays,
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:15 AM
Nov 2015

A stay in the hospital is $200, and a $217 deductable yearly. It I not free.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,688 posts)
59. Maybe you can understand in the simplest of terms
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:25 PM
Nov 2015

There is a reason why every other democracy in the world and even others choose single payer for all.....It is the cheapest over all.

The simple reason, for those deathly afraid of the word "socialism" can be also explained by the idea of "pooling your money to get the best deal", if that goes down better for you. If every tax payer in the country is compelled to pay into the pool, as they do for many other things like the military, police, education...., the costs and risks are spread way further, thus it ends up costing less.

And when you add the reduced expense to the fact that every citizen is covered from birth to death its a no-brainer when you thinkabout it.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
67. Simplest terms, yes every other country enjoys cheaper health care, in simplest terms
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:07 PM
Nov 2015

I understand when there are premiums and co pays in other countries. Maybe if you investigated further you would understand there is a cost paid by citizens plus a much higher rate of taxes, no it will not be free. I don't have anything against a national health insurance, just wish everyone will realize it is not free, we will pay.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,688 posts)
78. Yes it is not free
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:50 PM
Nov 2015

And that usage of "free" is wrong. I agree. I wish they would stop that.
The misuse is due to the fact that once you pay your bill, (or even if you get behind), that it here in Canada, because health care is a right, and not a privilege, one does not have to pay anything when one visits the doctor or has to go to the emergency, or even a complicated open-heart surgery and weeks of hospital stay. But yes, there is usually a monthly fee for employed persons. But the most you will pay is around $100 a month for a full time working person with a high paying job. If you are poorer, you do not pay anything. You can change doctors, move across the country, it doesn't change. You are covered from the time you are born to your last breath. That alone is reason enough IMO even IF it cost more. But it is actually cheaper OVERALL

Once again, it is cheap because everyone, that earns enough, must pay a nominal fee. The cost is spread over many more people, plus because it is all federally regulated, there is more streamlining of procedures and costs, and the standard is set across the country. Plus no payouts to big CEOs, executives, and shareholders. Its run as non-profit.

There is a reason why Canadians voted Tommy Douglas, the preacher/politician, and "father of universal medicare" the Greatest Canadian in history, and that the UK began its London Olympic opening ceremony with a long tribute to their National Healthcare Service.

Seriously, this is another thing the Democrats are woefully pathetic at....explaining to Americans, especially the small c conservatives, and highlight the cost savings to taxpayers even WITH that monthly fee.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
79. We have the most expensive health care and yes a lot of the cost is paid
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

To insurance companies. A good friend works out of the US and his international policy has a clause to get medical procedures done in other countries because of the cost in the US. A lot of chatter is going to get health care for all without looking to cutting the cost, focus on getting the cost down should be priority.

tazkcmo

(7,419 posts)
47. You care nothing for the workers.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:59 AM
Nov 2015

You rail against single payer because it'll hurt the workers but that $6.50 tax will eliminate the $1300 premium that no minimum wage worker is paying anyway. Everyday you insult us low wage workers with your backwards math where single payer costs us more than for profit healthcare and your "concern" about our financial well being. Now we know what your "thinking about" and it isn't the workers' bank balance unless you're "thinking about" taking it.

cannabis_flower

(3,932 posts)
70. That's why..
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:18 PM
Nov 2015

The worker doesn't have insurance and has $3000 worth of unpaid medical bills, bad credit and can't get his teeth fixed or his asthma medicine.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
64. There's Also The Fact That SO MANY OF US
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:54 PM
Nov 2015

who actually have health care pay COUNTY HOSPITAL TAXES for those who don't have insurance. So, I pay for health insurance AND the taxes!

So many people think no further than the tip of their nose!!!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. It's laughable: Bernie proposes something popular, you say Congress won't do it; he
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:17 PM
Nov 2015

proposes something unpopular on the surface and, suddenly, it's a done deal.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. Is that all you got out of this article? HRC is part of the corrupted Establishment.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:02 PM
Nov 2015

She and Bill are financially part of the 1%. The 1% is funding her campaign. The evidence is there but some refuse to look. They would rather have a strong authoritarian government that promises security than freedom and liberties.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
23. A few of the hillarians have adopted the teabaggers' mantra
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:13 PM
Nov 2015

"no new taxes. taxed enough already"

Like reading freeperville or the new hate site.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
44. And their forum here is run like Scientology.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:56 AM
Nov 2015

One of their posts made the front page yesterday ( how am i supposed to know its from the "we love hillary no matter what" forum?) and I merely commented that the attack on another poster was odd and was blocked immediately. Of course, after that there were several snide responses to ME, which I could not answer!

Dustlawyer

(10,539 posts)
50. Join our banned club, same thing happened to me. Then they kept commenting about
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:01 AM
Nov 2015

my lack of response knowing I couldn't respond.

There are people like that in both camps, don't deny it. Try to make sound arguements and ignore the crap slingers. The one arguement the Hillary camp cannot address head on with reasoned arguements is the effect of all of those corporate donations and speaking fees has on HRC. The HRC followers you see all of the time making the most bizarre arguements and attacks must be paid by Hillary's campaign. There is nothing you can say to them that makes a difference.

Despite them Bernie will win as long as we keep spreading his message and work our community!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
63. There may be one or two in the HRC side that will "make sound arguements"
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

but they are few and far between.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
74. That group, and another from which many of its members spring
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

are policed with an intensity and thoroughness that would draw whistles of admiration from the KGB or the Stasi.

tazkcmo

(7,419 posts)
46. One trick pony.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:51 AM
Nov 2015

You always pop up to criticize a tax increase that saves people money. I know, some lazy, able bodied person who refuses to work might get something for free so you don't want the rest of us to save money and get real healthcare as opposed to paying insurance premiums for a product we can't afford to use. Not surprising that you think that making 250k/year puts one in the middle class.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. One man's kleptocracy is another man's wealth management.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:16 PM
Nov 2015

For instance: UBS hired former Sen. Phil Gramm and later former President Bill Clinton and expretzel George W Bush. Since the repeal of Glass-Steagal, they've specialized in all kinds of Wealth Management:

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
8. But it's always an honest man's kleptocracy and a crook's wealth management
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:32 PM
Nov 2015

K/R for Willy

salib

(2,116 posts)
9. The not surprising result of Reagan's "clever" comment
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:33 PM
Nov 2015

"Government is not the solution, government is the problem."

What can we expect except that people will take advantage when this country has elected those who do not believe in government.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. And they have convinced their "followers" to blindly trust them as they loot the 99%.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

Vote for Goldman-Sachs and watch the poverty rate climb.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
66. Thats the weird part to me
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

The same people perplexed about poor white people that vote R (against their own economic interests) are doing the exact same thing by voting HRC. Unless they are part of the 1%... in which case I don't know why they are on DU when there is snow in Aspen and sunshine in Beverly Hills that they should be enjoying.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
12. This is practically institutionalized
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:57 PM
Nov 2015

I spent some time abroad during my formative years in a place where the corruption is open and in your face every day. It was an amazing place, but I always felt we'd go back home and things would be "normal" again. We came home a few years later, and it was surreal for me. I looked at the world I'd left and come back to, and realized it was the same as where I had been...it's just that here, some effort was being made to make it not look obvious. Over the years, the polite fiction was barely being kept up, to where we are now.

There are lots of people who tell me this is the best we can do as humans. There is no better system than ours.

If we can't do better, we're screwn.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. Great post. I notice none of the anti-progressives have stepped forwar to
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:08 PM
Nov 2015

refute this OP.

And congrats for going a day or two w/o an alert.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
61. Refute?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:48 PM
Nov 2015

What is there to refute, exactly? It's only nutcases who believe Hillary is running as the "pro-corruption" candidate. And there is no way to talk sense into a nutcase, so why bother?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
22. It's really a very simple and scary picture for me, in spite of our corrupt media.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:12 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders is probably our last chance for the next 50 years. He has been always there 100% for us, and yet came out of nowhere, as a gift of the gods.

If the millennials get off their lazy asses they could easily save us.

If American blows this, we will be oppressed and obstructed by corporate and wall street power - who are at their absolute peak now in the same way as it was when FDR created his revolution - for DECADES, no matter how many women or other Democrats we put in the White House.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. I agree that if Clinton gets elected it will set the Populist Movement back a bit, but it won't
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:17 PM
Nov 2015

stop us. Sen Sanders has done wonders in opening people's eyes and giving them hope that we might be able to fight the corrupt 1% owned, government. We will continue to fight on all fronts. Sen Warren will be a big help in keeping the dream alive.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
32. Don't worry, the energy that is pushing this primary toward outsiders didn't come from nowhere
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:51 PM
Nov 2015

And while the establishment still refuses to get it, if there isn't a substantial change soon, then it will come outside the normal channels of power...again.

Most of what we have gained recently has come from the ground up and was opposed by our party "leaders." They bend, or something else will have to happen.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
52. Always good to have your excuses lined up before voting starts...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:13 AM
Nov 2015
If the millennials get off their lazy asses they could easily save us.
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
38. We need a few thousand Robin Hoods to even the score!!
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:48 PM
Nov 2015

Should be a subplot for Once Upon a Time in the coming weeks, though you know the corporate media wouldn't allow a plot like that!

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
56. K&R The only thing worse than not working, in my book, is doing bad work.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:05 AM
Nov 2015

All this unnecessary pumping and dumping and massive speculating that leads to real world wars, drilling, waste and corruption, for nothing but extra digital dots of currency they will never use. Little games to them that lead to real world consequences, real world suffering for so many, for the enhanced luxury of so few. All fed to them in a corporate media bubble financed by themselves to keep themselves ignorant.

Nobody wants to know how they undermine democracy abroad. How they enslave children. How they destabilize regions. How they destroy vital ecosystems. Is it any wonder they ignore climate science? Who wants to hear that ones life's work, in the end, was slightly less effective than the Death Star?

We got a bunch of people running around today who imagine themselves to be Han, when in reality, they are Lando.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
57. "When officials treat the law with criminal contempt . . ."
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:26 AM
Nov 2015

Like making a million dollars off a $100,000 investment in some stock in just 1 year.

Sounds to me like "Thieves of State" could be written about 1 famous family that heads one of the wealthiest foundations in the world.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
62. WE ARE ON THE VERGE Of Losing What We've Known As
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:52 PM
Nov 2015

A Democracy!! I DO NOT recognize or know what this country now stands for!! Mostly it seems ONLY WAR that profits those at the TOP!

I'm so VERY, VERY fed up, but more I'm afraid that FEAR is what runs this country!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
65. More than one expert believe we have already lost it. When the 1% can buy elections
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:55 PM
Nov 2015

including the presidency, we are no longer free. Now the 1% is buying state races and even school boards. nm

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
73. And Jimmy Carter is one of them.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:48 PM
Nov 2015

We now live in a fascist, klepto-kakistocracy.

Kakistocracy (definition): Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
80. I Meant To Get Back To You Yesterday, BUT
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

was making calls trying to inform people about a meeting for our New Democratic PROGRESSIVE Party group! We are working to mobilize enough people for a local "grassroots" organization here in this very RED county in Florida. Trump was here this past weekend, I was gone so missed it.

Not sure when the STATE By-Laws got organized, but now they've begun to get counties to form their own groups. This isn't the state Democratic Party because too many people are SICK of how far right the Democrats in the Legislature have gotten. So I JUMPED at the chance too join THIS Democratic Progressive Caucus!

So many Democrats here simply have become FED UP and don't vote, but they also don't know where to turn because right now all we have are the local Democratic Parties who are mostly DINOS! All over the state, even counties that are considered "blue" can't seem to elect a Democrat!

It's only a start and will take a very long time to see real change but at least we've begun!! The state Democratic Chairman has already announced her support for Hillary! We're not even sure if this is legal, but what can ya do? This is the state from which Debbie Wasserman-Schultz hails. I, and so many like me have HAD it because like so many states in this country we wonder WHY we should vote because Democrats LIE to get elected and then actually VOTE with Repubs after they get elected.

Tallahassee is so very DINO and controls the money. The Koch's have total control over Florida State University in Tallahassee and actually hand picked the President of the University!!

Anyway, I'm just ranting along about what almost everyone here knows. But, the fact that this Democratic PROGRESSIVE Caucus has filed all the paperwork and set up By-Laws and elected officers and directors is quite AMAZING!

I need to mention one more thing... even though only a small group attended, around 25... every single one of us is a Bernie supporter. There are more members, just not at the meeting. But we did have to pledge that we will vote for the Democratic nominee to be a member. OH WELL! This is a BIG deal regardless!
but does deserve some

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
82. Thank You So Very MUCH! Only Doing What WE
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:04 PM
Dec 2015

so badly needed! I can't say this enough, or LOUD enough, though you can't hear me through my PC!

I know how much you yourself have done for Bernie and follow your posts ALL THE TIME!

Again Thank You!

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
83. Thanks For Your Kindness... Don't Forget To Get Young People And Social Media Invloved...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:33 PM
Dec 2015

Back in the day, we called them teach-ins.

Most people were not then, and are not now, being taught the myriad ways we are all being screwed. Teach-ins opened people's eyes.

Draft some young people you know personally... ask them what they would do...

Put some bulletins up on local high-school/college campuses offering intern positions for helping out. (Always looks good on a resume...)

Have them come up with ideas you've never thought of.

Think. Have fun. Create change... CHANGE THE WORLD !






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