Sanders supporters think he is the most honest politician. Why doesn't he talk about taxes needed?
In the last debate he was asked very directly how much he would raise the marginal rate on the highest tax bracket.
He said he hadn't worked that out yet. To be this is astonishing, that he is running on a platform of raising taxes on the rich but hasn't quite worked out that part yet.
Two months to the Iowa caucus and he hasn't even bothered to nail that down?
Socialism means sharing in both the costs and benefits (free health care, free education, infrastructure, etc). He keeps point at Denmark but does he talk about the taxes there as well? Why isn't he upfront about how much taxes he needs to raise from the middle class?
Healthcare and Paid Family Leave: You pay a bit more in taxes (and we're talking a few dollars a week), but you don't have premiums and deductibles. You don't have to pay for out-of-pocket temporary unemployment insurance and/or you can stay home with your newborn or sick family member for longer than a week or two. You SAVE money.
Education: That's all a tax on Wall Street speculation. Unless you're a hedge fund manager or REALLY into playing the stock market for your 401K, this won't effect the average American.
on a financials tax. won't cover free tuition for everyone.
what about other major proposal?
If I did not know better, I would think you are just lying. It is not free education for everybody unless everybody goes to state and community colleges. That is all that is covered and Hillary and the Donald will still pay out of pocket to send their kids to the premium ivy league collages.
Bernie Sanders supports Senator Kirsten Gillibrand's bill to pay for paid-family-and-medical leave through a small increase in the payroll tax.
Hillary Clinton says she's for paid-family-and-medical leave but against higher payroll taxes, and hasn't explained how she'll pay for it.
That has those who profit from the military industrial complex PAY for our wars?
Seems like Hillary's missing the policy here that most Americans will want to have bills paid PROPERLY by those profiting from the socialist gifts to the wealthy that our current corporatist government is engaged in.
Only things that actually help regular people need to be paid for. $2 trillion wars like Iraq that Hillary voted for just go on the credit card.
Though we can hide the coffins and make it all seem okay.
And Sanders continues to support the F-35 program which has been nothing but a money sink, but it's a money sink that benefits Vermont.
Bernie, although Bernie had an actual no vote on Iraq and Obama was not yet in DC. Do you think Obama voting to fund the war means he was really for it all along? I don't.
the hundreds of billions of dollars of new infrastructure she just promised.
Which is considered one of his greatest assets. How Rovian of you.
Hillary has holes in her rhetoric so big you can fly a 747 through them and not cause a soul to worry if it'll make it through unscathed.
to wait until he sees what can be passed. He has also said changes will be incremental. He knows what he is doing.
If he disclosed the actual amount he would need to raise in taxes in order to pay for his agenda, people would run away from him in droves.
He obviously thinks it's a better strategy to keep people in the dark.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
...candidates who support single-payer and vote in candidates who eliminated it.
Love the Hillary supporters new motto!
He can't pay for his policies without digging in really deep into our pockets. He talked about cutting defense spending but forgets about his votes to keep the money flowing. We don't have to worry about enough tax increases to get his programs funded.
gets equal treatment. It is not just sad, it is disgusting. Sorry, I refuse to join the WE CAN'T campaign.
And when Sanders says: "I have not worked that out yet" he means that there are several options for taxing the rich (increased taxes on capital gains over a certain amount, closing tax loopholes, going after tax dodgers a.k.a. getting Romney upset, specific fees on financial transactions for collaterised speculation) and he wants congress to discuss the merits of them all before he puts his political capital behind one or more in specific.
Clinton: "I'll say what you want me to say, then do what I plan to do, and meanwhile my opponent is socialism socialism socialism"
It used to be the GOP who campaigned like that. What happened?
Hillary is a 'CON in democratic clothing
I will vote for hillary if she is the last one standing but only then will I. I am a 100% democratic party voter
doesn't go very far in my town once you factor in taxes, rental, private school (which can be as much as tuition at some colleges), nanny, housekeeping, etc.
You're barely breaking even.
keeping taxes low or increasing effective consumer spending power.
He's talking about roughly a 12% payroll levy, or a 20% VAT, or some combination of them, above all current revenues (that's for healthcare, not his free tuition idea; he also has a financial transaction tax proposal that he's committed to both healthcare and college tuition -- it could pay for about a quarter of either). He's also implicitly saying physicians will take about a 40% pay cut across the board.
You can jigger with the payroll levy rate by making it more progressive, but that's the order of magnitude we're looking at.
But, to the larger point, yeah: Sanders's refusal to actually get down to numbers on this is incredibly disappointing.
You have no clue what Democratic Socialism is.
Healthcare isn't free in a Democratic Socialist country. Neither is education. Universal healthcare would cost about 9% of the average budget. Below is what we pay now. Universal healthcare is cheaper, and you don't have to lose everything when you get sick. It's basic math.
Big and fluffy. An exciting, pretty and impressive sight. But look closely and you'll see that it's mostly air, no nutritional value and filled with empty calories.
The mask is being removed and it is clear they just have to try to stick to hero status. Reality doesn't conform to what they have built up for Sanders. They think they can just mock people and it is a winning strategy. They keep pointing all while forgetting that four fingers are pointing back at their finger waving asses.
To them wanting to discuss issues is "grasping." One hundred percent confirmed by the post you just replied to. Wanting to actually discuss the nuts and bolts is "grasping." If that wasn't their reply it would simply be deflection. "Well Hillary..... Whahhhhh."
from the last debate:
Well, let's get specific, how high would you go? You said before you'd go above 50%. How high?
We haven't come up with an exact number yet.
LOL. You couldn't even get away with this excuse in junior high...
"I haven't come up with an exact number yet."
Your lack of understanding of economic policy is clear. I will not debate misinformation.
But don' lie and continually claim he is lying.
For example his plan is to tax speculkation to cover public college costs.
Okay, may that will cover it, maybe it won't. Maybe it's fair maybe it's discriminatory.
Those are honest differences of opinion. And maybe Bernie would try it but in running the theoritical nmumkbers once in office numbers finds it doesn't cover it all. That's happened to many (most) politicians. Remember Reagan and GHW Bush? And Bill Clinton's campaign promises in that regard? They all had to adjust.
But don't repeatedly make this phony claim that sanders is promising free shit without saying how he'd pay for it.,
He's probably already gotten further than he thought he would. No point in fixing what ain't broke.
He still has time to make this a serious run if he wants to. We'll see what happens.
Obama as candidate asserted that Hillary was out to pick your pocket with individual mandates to buy insurance which Obama mocked 'trying to solve health care by mandating insurance purchase is like trying to solve homelessness by mandating that everyone buy a house'.
Then of course, as it turned out, he either knew he was spinning bull or he simply had not really figured it out at all but still allowed himself to carry on about how right he was, how wrong she was.
I guess that's dandy with some of you, but I sure as hell don't want to do business with those who see that as ethical behavior.
to come by when the media and parties are dishonest and mostly concerned about not taxing the well to do or corporations.
Please note your own quote: "Sanders supporters think he is the most honest politician."
That really isn't saying much. They have also stated he is on his way to winning fifty states, that POC are stupid if they don't support him, that being an insider and career politician is somehow signs of being an outsider, that pandering to the right is wonderful but only when one candidate does it, etc..
It's just comical at this point. How did his speech on socialism that won the election for him go? Then notice what they did with moveon. Op after op about Clinton not attending yet not a damn one of them actually watched. True comedy gold.
Could you imagine the field day the republicans would have with Bernie? OMG
Every debate, every campaign commerical would be about them forcing Bernie to admit that all the free stuff he is offering is in fact, not free and the voters, rich poor and in between, will be paying for them with much increased taxes.
One way to mitigate the huge tax increases needed would be to gut our bloated military and close most overseas military bases which I am in favor of but lots of voters aren't unfortunately.
So democratic candidate Bernie will be tagged by the thugs as 1. A hardcore leftist/communist 2. A lover of taxes 3. Weak on defence
Say hello to President Trump and may God have mercy on this idiot/fascist country! The SCOTUS will be hard right for the next 30 years or so as well.
Bernie and his followers know the american people will run like hell away from him if he was to discuss how his pie in the sky plans get paid for hence the secrecy/silence on their part.
I haven't heard the tax part from Sanders yet.
And I mean real proposals not some fluffy "tax the rich and we don't have to tax anyone else".
...on something as important as raising taxes to an unspecified level?
OMFG, the anguish, the wailing and gnashing of teeth.....it would be just another cause for impotent outrage because of "oligarchs" or "war hawk" or "$12/HR" or "e-mail" ...................
Looks like Bernie will get a pass on this by his followers.
A questionable outcome considering how much we waste on the MIC, elections, and payoffs to corporations but still apt.