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NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:17 PM Nov 2015

HRC's "baggage" spurs re-think of Democratic nominee

Gripped by the fear that the current frontrunner, Hillary Clinton, has too much “baggage” to win the general election, a concerned contingent of Democrats is pushing to nominate someone who the GOP will find totally acceptable, so as to avoid any unpleasantness leading up to next November’s election.

Their nominee-of-choice, one Jesus Christ, seemed to be the safest choice. However, once his past history was scrutinized, Republicans quickly weighed-in with their objections to The Nazarene’s potential presidential run.

“Born in Bethlehem? Hey, I know what these Jersey kids are like – and it ain’t good.” - Chris Christie

“Jesus? Sounds Mexican to me. Is this guy even in the country legally?” - Donald Trump

“The Prince of Peace? He’ll come after our guns – you know that, right?” - Wayne LaPierre.

“Never married? Hangs out with his twelve buddies? Come on, he’s gay.” - Lindsay Graham

“Feed the hungry? Shelter the homeless? Yeah, say hello to more welfare bums living off the taxpayers’ dime.” - Paul Ryan

“Served loaves and fishes to a multitude – and not a single Republican was invited.” - Jeb Bush

“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s? Kiss those tax loopholes and offshore accounts goodbye, my fellow 1%ers.” - Mitt Romney

“Able to cure the sick without them paying up front? Sounds like that dreaded socialized medicine to me!” - Ben Carson

“So he was sent here by God, his father? Uh, I don’t think so – just ask my dad.” - Ted Cruz

“Love your enemies? Typical bleeding-heart liberal who thinks we should cave to terrorists.” - Michele Bachman

“Can turn water into wine? As an expert on water consumption, I can assure you this is impossible.” - Marco Rubio

“So his mom was a virgin when she conceived. Why is that so hard to believe about my daughter – twice?” - Sarah Palin

“So we should give up worldly possessions in order to follow him? This man is obviously some kind of crack-pot!” - Pat Robertson

“Blessed are the peacemakers? That phrase sounds like a smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.” - Dick Cheney

“He’s actually the anti-Christ – and I can prove it with a blackboard and a piece of chalk.” - Glenn Beck

“Love my neighbor? I can’t even remember how many houses I own. So how am I supposed to know who my neighbors are, no less how I feel about them?” - John McCain

“Be my brother’s keeper? Look, I’ve already advised Jeb on how to keep the country safe from terrorist attacks. And I still can’t keep him from losing. How much more of this keepin’ stuff am I supposed to do?” - George W. Bush

“Sure the guy was scourged, tortured and crucified – but did he ever suffer the humiliation of riding a school bus while wearing breadbags over his sandals?” - Joni Ernst

“I have never seen a single photograph of this Christ person wearing a sweater vest. I rest my case.” - Rick Santorum

“Have you seen the pics of this guy on the cross? Looks to me like he’s wearing a diaper. Why is that okay for him, and not an honest Republican like me?” – David Vitter

“Jesus and I went to high school together. Didn’t like him then, and don’t like him now.” - Phyllis Schafly


History tells us that no matter who the Democrats proffer as their standard-bearer going into a general election, the Republicans will be digging up "baggage" that will be exploited by the GOP - and whether that "baggage" is a result of fact or fiction is of little consequence. It will be repeated, regurgitated, spewed by pundits, headlined by the MSM, and endlessly opined upon by political "journalists" who wouldn't recognize a fact if it bit them in the ass

That being said, one wonders what kind of "Democrats" think appeasing the Republicans by NOT standing behind the clear choice of our own Party (whoever that may be) is a good idea. One wonders why some "Democrats" think we should instead take the GOP's perspective on our chosen candidate under serious consideration before WE decide who WE want to be our standard-bearer next November.

I don't know which is more politically naive: thinking that the Republicans will leave any Democratic nominee unscathed, or believing that any Democratic nominee cannot - and will not - be the victim of endless attacks by the opposing party.

I will stand with whoever my Party chooses as their nominee - and I will never allow the Republicans to define who that nominee should be.


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HRC's "baggage" spurs re-think of Democratic nominee (Original Post) NanceGreggs Nov 2015 OP
Excellent post, Nance: both humorous and serious. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #1
Republicans would run Jesus out of town on a rail mcar Nov 2015 #2
K&R. You are THE best. MeNMyVolt Nov 2015 #3
I took some leeway ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #15
And yet this is the same argument you use against Bernie ibegurpard Nov 2015 #4
Far from anything said about Sanders. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #6
So, Nance said... MeNMyVolt Nov 2015 #11
The only things I have ever said "against Bernie" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #14
This is really good, I would like to share it with a RWer who needs to look Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #5
Of all the candidates that are running this and next year - Democratic, republican, or independent.. George II Nov 2015 #7
Good post! BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #48
Hysterical...and yet sadly true! Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #8
Nice post. K & R nt Persondem Nov 2015 #9
love this ... thanks! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #10
Exactly Nance.. Well done! Trying to push the meme about Hillary's "baggage" only makes them Cha Nov 2015 #12
Who's the stupid, clueless looking dumbass? rpannier Dec 2015 #19
The very same.. mr trey "lets do this Benghazi thing on national tv" gowdy! Cha Dec 2015 #23
Yes, she's a professional "baggage handler" for sure. And I just LOVE that photograph. I think.... George II Dec 2015 #21
Mr Trey "wtf do i do now" Gowdy. They more they throw at her the stronger she is! Cha Dec 2015 #24
I love you. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #13
I feel much the same. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #25
K & R Iliyah Dec 2015 #16
she's the Lac-Megantic of baggage trains: even without her record, why push for her as nominee? MisterP Dec 2015 #17
Funny! Funny! Funny! rpannier Dec 2015 #18
I've never really understood the "baggage" scenario applied to Clinton Sheepshank Dec 2015 #20
As if Hillary is the only one with manufactured baggage. Sheepshank Dec 2015 #80
Any baggage she has stores neatly in the overhead bins... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #22
Drop that mic KMOD Dec 2015 #26
K & R eom PosterChild Dec 2015 #27
Do I recall correctly that you called Bernie supporters "dumb as a brick..." MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #28
I remember that TSIAS Dec 2015 #29
When you say "vacation", what does that mean? Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #34
Forced timeout TSIAS Dec 2015 #35
And these are the people that post in favor of HRC? Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #38
She called Bernie supporters "B-baggers" too. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #30
Hi BMUS! MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #32
Heya Manny! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #33
Another member found it and PMed me MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #37
Oh please do! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #42
Me too! At least you're not confused anymore R B Garr Dec 2015 #79
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #68
Uh oh! Don't hold your breath. There was lots of confusion R B Garr Dec 2015 #70
Yes, she correctly called that. KMOD Dec 2015 #45
Are you going to defend the anti-Semitism there too? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #46
Saw your post while I was viewing as a guest, KMOD Dec 2015 #50
Ha! bravenak Dec 2015 #54
Phew, so refreshing to see you are not confused R B Garr Dec 2015 #71
And it's refreshing to see your honesty. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #73
Then you must be outraged by the bigots who R B Garr Dec 2015 #74
At least you're not confused anymore about how R B Garr Dec 2015 #77
I appreciate the Streisand Effect demonstration. I don't know that msanthrope Dec 2015 #57
Looks like someone built a better mousetrap R B Garr Dec 2015 #81
You really don't understand the "baggage" issue. Talk about political naivete. morningfog Dec 2015 #31
Yes, she does. Bernie supporters complain about his lack of media coverage pnwmom Dec 2015 #36
Excellent reminder, pnwmom.. thank you! Cha Dec 2015 #43
Nance. Greggs. Politically. Naive. nolabear Dec 2015 #44
Mmnh-mmnh-mmnh. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #76
Amen, sister! Bobbie Jo Dec 2015 #39
Now that was good Flying Squirrel Dec 2015 #40
I bet that took you most of the day. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #41
Kiddo Hekate Dec 2015 #47
Christ, the ITALICS... OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #49
The Revolution is heavily invested in Hillary's Baggage. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #51
Not a ton of Dems I know in south Texas, but the ones I do are estatic about a HRC WH Rex Dec 2015 #52
Good to hear, Rex.. thank you! Cha Dec 2015 #59
For the baggage concerned contingents of the world, a little history: freshwest Dec 2015 #53
I swear some think we should pick a person that the Republicans LIKE... bravenak Dec 2015 #55
There are a lot of white, conservative Archie Bunkers who like Bernie... Sancho Dec 2015 #62
Amazing... isn't it? Skidmore Dec 2015 #66
Solid. oasis Dec 2015 #56
You can stand with the party if you want to, but there is no evidence here that any Democrats . . . Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #58
No it isn't, but you already knew that. leftofcool Dec 2015 #63
Ummm.... mcar Dec 2015 #69
You've struck nerves, Nance.. you can tell by the bitterness of their insults.. I love it! Cha Dec 2015 #60
haha those are great! treestar Dec 2015 #61
No Democrat has ever been safe from made up Republican scandals. leftofcool Dec 2015 #64
Hillary has proven she can win the counter attacks. Over and over she makes the GOP look stupid. Sancho Dec 2015 #65
K&R ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #67
Well, Wall Street finds her acceptable. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #72
K&R! Lisa D Dec 2015 #75
Ronald Reagan would not be acceptable to the idiots in today's GOP Gothmog Dec 2015 #78
Reagan was in no way, shape or form a liberal Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #82
"Wall street"!!!11111 Cha Dec 2015 #83

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
1. Excellent post, Nance: both humorous and serious.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:23 PM
Nov 2015
I don't know which is more politically naive: thinking that the Republicans will leave any Democratic nominee unscathed, or believing that any Democratic nominee cannot - and will not - be the victim of endless attacks by the opposing party.

Good points!

I will stand with whoever my Party chooses as their nominee - and I will never allow the Republicans to define who that nominee should be.

Hear! Hear! Any one of our candidates is infinitely better than the best candidate on the GOP side. Hands down.

mcar

(42,333 posts)
2. Republicans would run Jesus out of town on a rail
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:36 PM
Nov 2015

And they will use anything - real or imagined - against the Dem nominee. This should be obvious to people.

Great post!

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
15. I took some leeway ...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:56 PM
Nov 2015

... in saying they went to high school together. In actual fact, Phyllis graduated some ten years before Jesus was a freshman.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
4. And yet this is the same argument you use against Bernie
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:42 PM
Nov 2015

How I wish we had real unrecs for your codswallop.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
11. So, Nance said...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:50 PM
Nov 2015

.. 'I will stand with whoever my Party chooses as their nominee - and I will never allow the Republicans to define who that nominee should be.", and you have a problem with that?

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
14. The only things I have ever said "against Bernie" ...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:52 PM
Nov 2015

... are that he consistently demeaned the Democratic Party until he found it politically expedient to "join" the Party when he had to, and that he has been rattling off the same laundry list of complaints about what's wrong with the country for decades, without any sign that he has actually DONE anything about those complaints.

How that ties into what I've said here about Republicans is anybody's guess.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. Of all the candidates that are running this and next year - Democratic, republican, or independent..
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:47 PM
Nov 2015

....the one that would be able to handle and throttle false claims of "baggage" would be Hillary Clinton. She's been doing it since the 1980s.

From the phony Whitewater "scandal", to the Rose Law firm false accusations, to the slanderous "hints" about Vince Foster (which reared it's ugly head here on DU the last day or two), and most recently the digging into her health history. She fends them all off, each and every time coming out stronger more resolute.

So, bring on the "baggage" folks - the only real baggage she has will be delivered to the White House on January 20, 2017, and all the other candidates will be sent packing!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
48. Good post!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:11 AM
Dec 2015

And solid reasons why Hillary Clinton is the Democratic Party front-runner. After the last Benghazi hearing, she just knocked it out of the park for me.

She's a formidable opponent and can stand toe-to-toe with anyone - and win. She convinced me that she can get things done for the good of the country.

Six Republican attorneys-turned-politicans did their best, wielding all their years of experience as litigators to have her slip up. She faced them alone, she stood her ground, and she even corrected them. She came out looking stronger than any of them. She showed, during those long hours just how tough she is - and how presidential. She showed a remarkable, almost photographic memory, and she showed me that she's the one to succeed President Obama and will probably get more things done even with a Teabagger House.

So let them do their best. Let them hurl all kinds of nit-picked "baggage" at her. It won't stop her from reaching the White House, giving us another eight years that a Democrat leads this country.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
12. Exactly Nance.. Well done! Trying to push the meme about Hillary's "baggage" only makes them
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:51 PM
Nov 2015

look desperate.

Hillary has the experience of getting rid of any "baggage" the gopropaganda machine throws at her.. that includes the "concerned" BS supporters.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
19. Who's the stupid, clueless looking dumbass?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:13 AM
Dec 2015

Oh... now I know... that's Trey Gowdy

He looks confused or constipated or something

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. Yes, she's a professional "baggage handler" for sure. And I just LOVE that photograph. I think....
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:18 AM
Dec 2015

....Howdy Gowdy was pondering the demise of his legislative future.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
25. I feel much the same.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:36 AM
Dec 2015

Heck, I don't even know her, but her writing floors me, and has for years. Kindred spirits and all that, I guess. Wish I could be so eloquent.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
18. Funny! Funny! Funny!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:11 AM
Dec 2015

I laughed hard
My only complaint... should have had a warning, 'Do Not Read While Eating or Drinking.'



The pumpkin is because I like Halloween

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. I've never really understood the "baggage" scenario applied to Clinton
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:16 AM
Dec 2015

Last edited Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Oh don't get me wrong, Hillary has a past where baggage has been manufactured and greatly emphasized. She has always been in the GOP spotlight. They've seen this possible Whitehouse win coming for the last 12 years and have had years to create that baggage. It would seems that most of it is seen for what it is, and frankly it is starting to play against them by berning out the public. But the bottom line is that we pretty much know the "baggage" that the GOP has against Hillary. If Bernie is the nominee, he will not be able to avoid his own significant "baggage". To assume otherwise is naive.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
80. As if Hillary is the only one with manufactured baggage.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:59 PM
Dec 2015

It's a good thing that those with little to no tolerance for criticisms on Bernie, won't really have to deal with that Bernie baggage.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
22. Any baggage she has stores neatly in the overhead bins...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:19 AM
Dec 2015

... or beneath the seat in front of her. This will be a smooth flight that departs and arrives on time.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
28. Do I recall correctly that you called Bernie supporters "dumb as a brick..."
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:47 AM
Dec 2015

"dumb as a brick and twice as thick" on that steaming pile of creepy greatness that is hillaryclintonsupporters.com? E.g., as you admitted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7282227

If so, may I suggest that you spend more time at another site where most of the members aren't so @#$&ing stupid? Do us all amfavor and don't lower yourself this way.

Also, DIRC that you said you are Jewish, as I am? If so, you may want to inform the proprietors of hillaryclintonsupporters.com that @#$& like this is anti-semitic:

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
29. I remember that
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:52 AM
Dec 2015
If so, may I suggest that you spend more time at another site where most of the members aren't so @#$&ing stupid?


The OP might not be spending time on this site for a while, as she is currently on another vacation.
 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
34. When you say "vacation", what does that mean?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:03 AM
Dec 2015

I've been on this site since 2004, but I'm still not that hip to the lingo.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
35. Forced timeout
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:10 AM
Dec 2015

If a member has 5 posts hidden by juries within a 90 day period, posting privileges for that poster are temporarily revoked.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
38. And these are the people that post in favor of HRC?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:15 AM
Dec 2015

Was it like this in 2008? I feel like I avoided all of this junk back then.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
32. Hi BMUS!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:59 AM
Dec 2015

Great to see you tonight.

Do you know if there's a screen cap of the 'Dumb as a brick..." greatness? We oughta have an archive of screen caps from that place.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. Heya Manny!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:00 AM
Dec 2015

Happy to see you out and about too.

I don't know, I'll have to ask around and do a search since I don't recall the last time it was posted.

Brb...

All I could find was Nance admitting she said it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=726487

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
79. Me too! At least you're not confused anymore
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:21 PM
Dec 2015

about how you keep track of people Last night you called me a liar for quoting you, but now I see you remember how your files and compilations are shared. Hypocrisy for sure!

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #33)

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
70. Uh oh! Don't hold your breath. There was lots of confusion
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:20 AM
Dec 2015

about who had the compilations keeping track of people. Looks like that's getting cleared up, though, as you all decide who has what little tidbit to use. It's refreshing to see this honesty! Thank you!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. Are you going to defend the anti-Semitism there too?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:50 AM
Dec 2015

The alert stalking and trolling was bad enough but accusing a Jewish candidate of being financed by Israel is inexcusable.

And then there were the posts about Stormfront...

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
50. Saw your post while I was viewing as a guest,
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:23 AM
Dec 2015

took you off ignore for a moment to just say, ...

eh, nevermind, back on ignore you go.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
71. Phew, so refreshing to see you are not confused
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:24 AM
Dec 2015

after all about how you keep track of people. You are back on track!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
73. And it's refreshing to see your honesty.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:09 AM
Dec 2015

I like knowing who defends those who call others names behind their backs while calling them childish.

I also like know who the bigots on this board are.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
74. Then you must be outraged by the bigots who
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:23 AM
Dec 2015

excoriate Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Its shameful what is said about her.

And, yes, defending those who feign confusion is too much dishonesty for you, so thanks for that.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
77. At least you're not confused anymore about how
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:15 PM
Dec 2015

you keep track of people. Last night you didn't remember, but now you do. Great going!

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
57. I appreciate the Streisand Effect demonstration. I don't know that
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:48 AM
Dec 2015

I would publicize being called "stupid as a brick and twice as thick" but to each, their own.

As for the anti-Semetic sentiments written on another website, and not by Nance Greggs, I can only surmise that you seem to think that Nance is somehow responsible for them.

I don't know how far I would go down that path. I might refrain. After all, it's not as if Nance coauthored this piece of tripe.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
36. Yes, she does. Bernie supporters complain about his lack of media coverage
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:10 AM
Dec 2015

but if he's the nominee and they all start digging into his history, they'll find plenty of "baggage."

Rose Hill law firm, meet Burlington College.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
40. Now that was good
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

Almost sounded like the old Nance there



Yes, Bernie will be on the receiving end of attacks.

However.

Deep down, I'm certain that if they had their way, they would like Hillary to be the nominee. She's the one they can use to fire their base up just by mentioning her name. She's the one who can be counted upon to NOT fire up her own base. She's the one who, should she win, will ensure the continuation of politics as usual - which they all want.

So, I agree with you that we should not allow the Republicans to define who our nominee will be; but although there are some little-r republicans (who are probably closer to the center than most) who like Bernie, the big-R Republican Party fears him and would prefer not to have to run against him.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
41. I bet that took you most of the day.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:34 AM
Dec 2015

I also bet no one whose support goes to someone other than the Chief Baggage Handler herself read more than a paragraph or two.

Long though... must be some important shit in a post that long.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
52. Not a ton of Dems I know in south Texas, but the ones I do are estatic about a HRC WH
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:06 AM
Dec 2015

they cannot wait to vote for her. Smart GOPers around here will tell me they fear her winning, because they know their candidates are all dumbfucks. Or they like Trump...which is good since he has no chance.

The stupid GOPers around here don't vote they just talk a big game. Fuck them let them talk.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
53. For the baggage concerned contingents of the world, a little history:
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:16 AM
Dec 2015

All of the stuff thrown at Hillary now, was tossed at her and Bill in the 1990s. The GOP Operation Chaos crowd know full well it is NOT a matter of her being unelectable, because:

After the well-funded and media-driven smears - often by the same pundits who got their start back in the 1990s:

They FAILED.



How did they FAIL?

Bill Clinton was elected in the face of the storm they brought against him and he was re-elected despite the tornado unleashed by the right in his first term.

Why did they FAIL?

Despite the ubiquitous use of media, they were unable to brainwash most of the public in the 1990s. They saw through the bull and could see there's a great difference in the two parties. There's no reason to think that those who remember those years will fall for it now.

Why will they FAIL AGAIN?

And they are recycling the same manure they dished out back then, and it will fail unless the gullible fall for it. This is not the fault of the Clintons or the party they represent, it's the gullibility of the hysterical people who have fallen for the idea that the GOP really does control the minds of all Americans.

I refuse to listen to or be intimidated by those who aren't Democrats and try to order me around and tell what a true Democrat is by using talking points of the Republican party.

I agree with Obama, who knew exactly what he was up against politically and faced all the unpleasant realities head on:



Those refusing to get with the Democrats need to stop trying to shine us on about our cause. The GOP nor its listeners haven't addressed one thing of true substance to Americans.

Why are they desperate?

Why are they trying so hard to make sure Clinton doesn't attain office they'll dredge up and promote absolutely anything?

They see her as the true end of the status quo. The liberation of women around the planet will change the economic, social and environmental dynamics of the world. She has devoted her life to this and never missed a chance to champion while she is surrounded by crickets, even by those who claim to be the best people in the Democratic Party.

It is and has always been about the means of human reproduction. Empower women with the freedom to choose to have children or not, allowing them to live at full capacity and participate. It will help end wars from the lack of cannon fodder and the pressure to regiment the masses; ease the root cause of ecological disaster by lowering the birth rate; it will relieve the pressures that lead to undemocratic institutions and governments.

There is enough at stake that the right saw all along, which is that a feminist who has worked on the cause of women's freedom for decades in the most personal and effective way in a harsh environment did get things done.

They see their doom and will lie, cheat, steal and even kill to keep the status quo going. For them, I sing the words of the REM song:

'It's the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine!'

LOL at those who can't see the justice of freeing half of the human race, the GOP is a sick joke!

And ROTFLMAO at the OP!

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
62. There are a lot of white, conservative Archie Bunkers who like Bernie...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:35 AM
Dec 2015

at least according to some poll analysis and rallies.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
58. You can stand with the party if you want to, but there is no evidence here that any Democrats . . .
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:35 AM
Dec 2015

. . . are supporting ANYONE to appease the GOP.

Your post is offensive to Jews, but then you knew that already.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
65. Hillary has proven she can win the counter attacks. Over and over she makes the GOP look stupid.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:50 AM
Dec 2015

We really don't know what Bernie can do if he faced a real repub battle. He's really never even faced a solid opposition in Vermont. The intel is there and has surfaced, but generally been ignored. Bernie has plenty of dirt and soft points.

So far, Bernie's temper, inability to respond outside the box, lack of broad-based experience, and weak advertisements bode poorly for a GE campaign that would defend against a billion dollar war chest.

Nice post, NG. The point is well-taken. I like your creative OP, and it makes sense for this election. It also helps demonstrate why a nationally experienced candidate should be the Democratic nominee.

Too bad that there's a subgroup that targets long-time Democrats and takes over threads so that reasonable discussion can take place. They ignore the TOS, post personal attacks, and swam like piranha. That's bad for DU, and hurts the candidate that they claim to support.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
72. Well, Wall Street finds her acceptable.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:27 AM
Dec 2015

That's who really controls half of the GOP.

Now, the half who are brainwashed nuts won't vote for her, but the moneyed jewelry rattlers will be just fine with her.

Gothmog

(145,264 posts)
78. Ronald Reagan would not be acceptable to the idiots in today's GOP
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:24 PM
Dec 2015

Reagan would be far too liberal for today's GOP

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
82. Reagan was in no way, shape or form a liberal
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:37 PM
Dec 2015

He sicced the National Guard on students at Berkeley as governor of California.
He claimed that trees caused more pollution than cars.
He fired members of PATCO, an air traffic controllers union.
He got involved in a stupid Mid-East conflict, and when that blew up in his face, he invaded a tiny Carribean nation.
He honored German war criminals at Bitburg Cemetery.
He constantly disparaged the poor and the disadvantaged.
His trickle-down voodoo economics doubled the national deficit in just 8 years.
His environmental policies sucked big time (James Watt, Anne Gorsuch).
He made off-the-cuff remarks about bombing the Soviet Union.
His attorney general, Edwin Meese, commented that "of course all suspects are guilty, otherwise they wouldn't be suspects".
He raised income taxes on the bottom income earners, while reducing taxes on the top earners (from 70% to 28%), and reduced capital gains taxes as well. He also increased the FICA payroll taxes on the bottom earners.
He followed the Kissinger Doctrine of overthrowing left-leaning Latin American governments.

In short, he was, and still is, the holy icon for conservatives.

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